Andalucía Eurogenes K13 results

[FilhoV]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.14
2 West_Med 28.48
3 East_Med 13.23
4 Baltic 8.19
5 West_Asian 3.86
6 Red_Sea 2.43
7 Northeast_African 1.43
8 Sub-Saharan 1.19
9 South_Asian 1.05
10 Siberian 0.83
11 East_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 1.44
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 2.73
3 Spanish_Extremadura 3.05
4 Spanish_Murcia 3.42
5 Spanish_Valencia 3.93
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.45
7 Portuguese 4.69
8 Spanish_Galicia 5.04
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.06
10 Spanish_Cantabria 5.15
11 Spanish_Aragon 5.23
12 Southwest_French 7.63
13 North_Italian 10
14 French 12.41
15 Tuscan 15.75
16 French_Basque 16.66
17 South_Dutch 18.49
18 West_German 18.79
19 West_Sicilian 22.1
20 Southeast_English 22.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Luhya @ 1.16
2 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.17
3 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.17
4 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 1.17
5 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 1.17
6 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Mandenka @ 1.17
7 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.17
8 99.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.7% Yoruban @ 1.18
9 85.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.18
10 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% San @ 1.19
11 78% Spanish_Andalucia + 22% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.21
12 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Sudanese @ 1.25
13 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Maasai @ 1.26
14 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Sandawe @ 1.27
15 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.27
16 99.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.8% Hadza @ 1.28
17 87.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.3
18 97.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.4% West_Scottish @ 1.31
19 97.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.4% Irish @ 1.31
20 99.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 0.9% Brahmin_UP @ 1.31

[Leto]

Can you share his no. with me?

[FilhoV]

Can you share his no. with me?

I private message to you feel free to post other results if you want

[Leto]

I private message to you feel free to post other results if you want
Well, I wanted to check it with Dodecad K12b. Here it is:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 44.44
2 North_European 22.83
3 Caucasus 12.66
4 Gedrosia 7.74
5 Southwest_Asian 6.14
6 Northwest_African 3.89
7 Sub_Saharan 0.77
8 Siberian 0.73
9 East_African 0.54
10 South_Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Galicia (1000Genomes) 4.86
2 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 4.95
3 Baleares (1000Genomes) 5.65
4 Portuguese (Dodecad) 5.72
5 Murcia (1000Genomes) 7.27
6 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 7.74
7 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 8.68
8 Spaniards (Behar) 8.71
9 Spanish (Dodecad) 8.8
10 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 9.3
11 Canarias (1000Genomes) 10.06
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.14
13 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 10.16
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.17
15 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 10.89
16 Valencia (1000Genomes) 11.28
17 Aragon (1000Genomes) 12.02
18 French (HGDP) 14.05
19 French (Dodecad) 14.31
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.01

[Mingle]

Interesting, I definitely didn't expect them to have this much African. Is it mainly from the Moors or what?

[Jana]

Interesting, I definitely didn't expect them to have this much African. Is it mainly from the Moors or what?

You call this much ? It less than people on TA claim...

[Mingle]

You call this much ? It less than people on TA claim...

I thought it would be less than 1%. People on TA claim that Andalusia was repopulated by Northern Spaniards after the Reconquest and that Andalusians are mainly descended from them.

[Leto]

Well, he is a Southern Spaniard, so 1-2% should be okay for that region.

This is a good comparison:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?235350-My-23andme-Gedmatch-and-DNALand-results!!&p=4958965&viewfull=1#post4958965

[Jana]

I thought it would be less than 1%. People on TA claim that Andalusia was repopulated by Northern Spaniards after the Reconquest and that Andalusians are mainly descended from them.

Iberians score low amount of African (mostly north African) in general (but not all), but it is only few percent, very minor, some people here claim they are like 10% non European, which is laughable!

[Sp_loa]

Iberians score low amount of African (mostly north African) in general (but not all), but it is only few percent, very minor, some people here claim they are like 10% non European, which is laughable!

I don't know if K13 can identify all African DNA.
In Gencove I'm 16% Berber and I have in Eurogenes K13 only 2.3% NE Africa and 3.7% SSA (6% Africa in total)...

[FilhoV]

He happens to be from Eastern part of Andalusia and he has 2 grandparent who was from Valencia on his paternal side.

[FilhoV]

Iberians score low amount of African (mostly north African) in general (but not all), but it is only few percent, very minor, some people here claim they are like 10% non European, which is laughable!

Genetically in terms of Haplogroups there is a difference between Eastern and Western Andalucía on the Y-DNA according to Eupedia.

[Jana]

Genetically in terms of Haplogroups there is a difference between Eastern and Western Andalucía on the Y-DNA

do you have some chart about it ? would be interesting to see

[FilhoV]

My Dodecad K12b for Comparison

Population
Gedrosia 3.18
Siberian -
Northwest_African 6.79
Southeast_Asian 0.41
Atlantic_Med 41.65
North_European 23.98
South_Asian -
East_African 0.43
Southwest_Asian 6.87
East_Asian -
Caucasus 15.08
Sub_Saharan 1.59

[FilhoV]

do you have some chart about it ? would be interesting to see

I’ll send you the study when I find it later somewhere on my laptop but this is his FTDNA results

https://i.imgur.com/iVhErKh.png

[Leto]

this is his FTDNA results
Lol, why 7% East Europe? I would understand 7% British Isles or West/Central Europe, but East Europe doesn't make sense. Truly, sometimes these tests are just off, which means they still have a lot to upgrade.

[Cristiano viejo]

I thought it would be less than 1%. People on TA claim that Andalusia was repopulated by Northern Spaniards after the Reconquest and that Andalusians are mainly descended from them.

And it is so.

[Sikeliot]

Closer to German and Dutch than to Sicilian... I am actually kind of surprised but when you consider Sicilians (like the rest of Southeast Europe) have a lot of input from the Caucasus and Iberians are almost entirely lacking this, it kind of makes sense.

[Bobby Martnen]

Andalucía

Why do you keep spelling Andalusia like this?

[Bobby Martnen]

Closer to German and Dutch than to Sicilian... I am actually kind of surprised but when you consider Sicilians (like the rest of Southeast Europe) have a lot of input from the Caucasus and Iberians are almost entirely lacking this, it kind of makes sense.

Yet in America, Sicilians are seen as whiter than Spaniards, because Spaniards are associated with the millions of mestizo Latin Americans who have crossed the border in the last couple decades, and Sicilians are not associated with any mixed-race group.

[Sikeliot]

Yet in America, Sicilians are seen as whiter than Spaniards, because Spaniards are associated with the millions of mestizo Latin Americans who have crossed the border in the last couple decades, and Sicilians are not associated with any mixed-race group.

Except North Africans, but many of them do not look mixed with SSA so it doesn't really count for the purpose of what you're saying, and there is also some shared affinity between North Africa and Iberia.

But what you say, is true.

[Ylla]

Interesting, I definitely didn't expect them to have this much African. Is it mainly from the Moors or what?

its not really a significant amount

[Scar]

Closer to German and Dutch than to Sicilian... I am actually kind of surprised but when you consider Sicilians (like the rest of Southeast Europe) have a lot of input from the Caucasus and Iberians are almost entirely lacking this, it kind of makes sense.

Caucasian input makes you whiter (peaks in Georgians and North Caucasians, who are lighter than Spaniards). What turns Sicilians more or less like Spaniards from a phenotypical/pigmentation POV is the presence of Red Sea and SW Asian components which counterbalance the Caucasian affinity and the Indo-European they have. Much of this Caucasian is CHG and Indo-Europeans themselves were half CHG + EHG.

[Bobby Martnen]

Except North Africans, but many of them do not look mixed with SSA so it doesn't really count for the purpose of what you're saying, and there is also some shared affinity between North Africa and Iberia.

But what you say, is true.

I don't think anybody outside of anthro forums really associates Sicilians with North Africans...my grandma (father from Palermo) always just calls herself "Italian", not "Sicilian", which makes me think Sicilian-Americans usually identify more with other Italians than with North Africans or Levantines.

[Sikeliot]

Caucasian input makes you whiter (peaks in Georgians and North Caucasians, who are lighter than Spaniards). What turns Sicilians more or less like Spaniards from a phenotypical/pigmentation POV is the presence of Red Sea and SW Asian components which counterbalance the Caucasian affinity and the Indo-European they have. Much of this Caucasian is CHG and Indo-Europeans themselves were half CHG + EHG.

What does it mean to have high Caucasian but low NE European (which is the case with Sicilians)? But I definitely think the main difference between the two (and why Germans come up closer for Iberians) is the lack of Caucasian.

As a matter of fact, the low Caucasian in Iberia, is entirely out of character for Southern Europe.

[Sikeliot]

I don't think anybody outside of anthro forums really associates Sicilians with North Africans...my grandma (father from Palermo) always just calls herself "Italian", not "Sicilian", which makes me think Sicilian-Americans usually identify more with other Italians than with North Africans or Levantines.


I don't want to make the thread about this rather than about Andalusia, but I am referring to non-Italians who make this association. But I know a lot of people who say they are Sicilian rather than Italian American (I use both interchangeably, though, increasingly with time).

Anyway let's stay on topic, if you wish to respond to this please post to my wall.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why do you keep spelling Andalusia like this?
Bcs it is its correct name and Filho is obsessed with Spaniards.


Yet in America, Sicilians are seen as whiter than Spaniards, because Spaniards are associated with the millions of mestizo Latin Americans who have crossed the border in the last couple decades, and Sicilians are not associated with any mixed-race group.
What says a lot about the intelligence of united statians.


Caucasian input makes you whiter (peaks in Georgians and North Caucasians, who are lighter than Spaniards). What turns Sicilians more or less like Spaniards from a phenotypical/pigmentation POV is the presence of Red Sea and SW Asian components which counterbalance the Caucasian affinity and the Indo-European they have. Much of this Caucasian is CHG and Indo-Europeans themselves were half CHG + EHG.

Nor Georgians nor much less North Caucasians are lighter than Spaniards.

[Bobby Martnen]

Bcs it is its correct name and Filho is obsessed with Spaniards.


The correct name in English is Andalusia.

[Cristiano viejo]

The correct name in English is Andalusia.

I could not care less about English. When you talk about your Mexican neighbor Juanito Martínez, do you call him Johnny perhaps? :rolleyes:

[Bobby Martnen]

I could not care less about English. When you talk about your Mexican neighbor Juanito Martínez, do you call him Johnny perhaps? :rolleyes:

No, but a personal name is different then a geographical name.

Do you call London Londres when you're speaking Spanish?

[Scar]

Nor Georgians nor much less North Caucasians are lighter than Spaniards.

They are. And North Caucasians are much lighter than Georgians, the ''much less'' part of your post is absurd.

[Cristiano viejo]

No, but a personal name is different then a geographical name.

Do you call London Londres when you're speaking Spanish?

Obviously no but yet it is its original and correct name.

[Bobby Martnen]

Obviously no but yet it is its original and correct name.

Different places have different names in different languages, i.e. Cracow/Cracovia/Krakau/Kraków

[Cristiano viejo]

They are. And North Caucasians are much lighter than Georgians, the ''much less'' part of your post is absurd.

No, they are not. Plus they are super hairy, what makes them to seem more MENA even.

[Cristiano viejo]

Different places have different names in different languages, i.e. Cracow/Cracovia/Krakau/Kraków

But the point is, imagine that my name is Guillermo (William in English). How would you name me if we were friends and such? Willy? :lol: no, true? you should call me by my name.

[Bobby Martnen]

But the point is, imagine that my name is Guillermo (William in English). How would you name me if we were friends and such? Willy? :lol: no, true? you should call me by my name.

Once again, personal names are different than geographical names.

And given your attitude on letting people from the US call ourselves "Americans", this is hilarious.

[Mingle]

its not really a significant amount

True, but I had very low expectations.

[Cristiano viejo]

Once again, personal names are different than geographical names.

And given your attitude on letting people from the US call ourselves "Americans", this is hilarious.
Call yourselves as you wish, boy, but dont pretend that everybody call you so too.

[B01AB20]

Lol, why 7% East Europe? I would understand 7% British Isles or West/Central Europe, but East Europe doesn't make sense. Truly, sometimes these tests are just off, which means they still have a lot to upgrade.

Haven't you heard of the slavic troops that moors brought to Iberia?.

But don't know if it is related to that 7%, I guess no.

[Bobby Martnen]

Call yourselves as you wish, boy, but dont pretend that everybody call you so too.

:picard2:

[FilhoV]

Bcs it is its correct name and Filho is obsessed with Spaniards.


What says a lot about the intelligence of united statians.



Nor Georgians nor much less North Caucasians are lighter than Spaniards.

I post genetic results of all people so I don’t know or care for what you’re talking about

I post results from Chinese to Africans to Europeans so you have no arguement.

[Cristiano viejo]

I post genetic results of all people so I don’t know or care for what you’re talking about

I post results from Chinese to Africans to Europeans so you have no arguement.

Not true and even although you posted results of Vietnamese or Indonesians you dont it in the same amount than you do with Spanish. You have made a lot of threads about Spaniards, to classify and about genetic. You are clearly obsessed with us.

[Damião de Góis]

Not true and even although you posted results of Vietnamese or Indonesians you dont it in the same amount than you do with Spanish. You have made a lot of threads about Spaniards, to classify and about genetic. You are clearly obsessed with us.

I think it depends if they are gracile med and/or berid. If they are, they will be posted.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think it depends if they are gracile med and/or berid. If they are, they will be posted.

hehe, true. But still is curious why such obsessions. Damn, post Gracil Meds from your country!

[Sikeliot]

FilhoV has no bad intentions. He posts whatever he finds, and it's not his fault if others get offended.

[Cristiano viejo]

FilhoV has no bad intentions. He posts whatever he finds, and it's not his fault if others get offended.

Filho is your version but with Spaniards :icon_lol:

[Leto]

They are. And North Caucasians are much lighter than Georgians, the ''much less'' part of your post is absurd.
They are not. They're considered black-assed in Russia. Of course, many would be as light as the average Spaniard and some are even as light as Russians, but on average Georgians are a bit darker than Spaniards. North Caucasians are roughly similar (despite having significantly more NE European admixture).

[Leto]

Haven't you heard of the slavic troops that moors brought to Iberia?.

That's laughable. Just because there was a handful of Slavs doesn't mean they should have affected the overall genepool. There were hundreds of thousands of Germans in Russia between the 18th and 20th centuries, but can I really claim many Russians have German blood? Hardly.

[Scar]

They are not. They're considered black-assed in Russia. Of course, many would be as light as the average Spaniard and some are even as light as Russians, but on average Georgians are a bit darker than Spaniards. North Caucasians are roughly similar (despite having significantly more NE European admixture).

It happens because Russians stereotype them and are mostly ignorant about their phenotypes. I remember once a Russian told me people from Dagestan look like Pakistanis. It's obviously not true and sprungs from prejudice. Russians seem to think Europeans are all light as them, but that's not true. If Russians were exposed to Italians and Spaniards in the same frequence they are to Georgians and Caucasians I'm sure their opinion would be very different. You guys think ''they are westerners and Europeans, they must be light/white''. Many Italians and Spaniards look much darker than average Georgians and North Caucasians and would be considered Arab looking in the Caucasus (with exception of Armenia, but Armenians aren't true Caucasians).

[Leto]

It happens because Russians stereotype them and are mostly ignorant about their phenotypes. I remember once a Russian told me people from Dagestan look like Pakistanis. It's obviously not true and sprungs from prejudice. Russians seem to think Europeans are all light as them, but that's not true. If Russians were exposed to Italians and Spaniards in the same frequence they are to Georgians and Caucasians I'm sure their opinion would be very different. You guys think ''they are westerners and Europeans, they must be light/white''. Many Italians and Spaniards look much darker than average Georgians and North Caucasians and would be considered Arab looking in the Caucasus (with exception of Armenia, but Armenians aren't true Caucasians).
Spaniards and Italians definitely have more European features than North Caucasians (even if the pigmentation may be roughly similar) who are a transitional group between the Middle East and Southeast Europe. I'm well aware of how all these people look. Dagestanis and Chechens are lighter than Armenians, that's for sure. Armenians have very little NE Euro admixture. Georgians and Abkhaz have their own look, but in terms of swarthyness they are sort of between Armenians and North Caucasians. Ossetians look more similar to Georgians than to Chechens in my opinion.

[Scar]

Spaniards and Italians definitely have more European features than North Caucasians (even if the pigmentation may be roughly similar) who are a transitional group between the Middle East and Southeast Europe. I'm well aware of how all these people look. Dagestanis and Chechens are lighter than Armenians, that's for sure. Armenians have very little NE Euro admixture. Georgians and Abkhaz have their own look, but in terms of swarthyness they are sort of between Armenians and North Caucasians. Ossetians look more similar to Georgians than to Chechens in my opinion.

You depart from the notion that only NE Euro blood can make you ''whiter'' but you ignore the fact the West Asian/CHG component itself was half of Proto - Indo- European ancestry and certainly makes someone ''lighter'' instead of darker. Well, Spaniards and Italians are certainly more European than North Caucasians, but yoy don't need to be ''European'' to be light. You assume things based on prejudices and outdated notions.

Show me North Caucasians who look like Fabio Quagliarella, Arbeloa, Raul Albiol, Davide Zappacosta etc. and we can talk then. Those guys would be even called ''blacks'' in Russia. Even Irina Shayk who is much lighter than them was called ''black'' by Russians. You guys are mostly ignorants.

[Leto]

You depart from the notion that only NE Euro blood can make you ''whiter'' but you ignore the fact the West Asian/CHG component itself was half of Proto - Indo- European ancestry and certainly makes someone ''lighter'' instead of darker. Well, Spaniards and Italians are certainly more European than North Caucasians, but yoy don't need to be ''European'' to be light. You assume things based on prejudices and outdated notions.

Show me North Caucasians who look like Fabio Quagliarella, Arbeloa, Raul Albiol, Davide Zappacosta etc. and we can talk then. Those guys would be even called ''blacks'' in Russia. Even Irina Shayk who is much lighter than them was called ''black'' by Russians. You guys are mostly ignorants.
What's the point picking the darkest Europeans? We're talking about averages. On average Caucasians are not lighter than Italians, let alone Spaniards. Maybe they are roughly similar in terms of pigmentation, I've never compared them extensively. But they definitely have different facial features.
Irina Shayk is half Tatar, half Russian and has gray-green eyes. She is not "black" at all. She just has a Latin American vibe, so to speak. The Tatars are not considered "black" to begin with.
By the way, Italians are stereotyped as dark all over the world, including Russia due to Hollywood movies and Sicilians.

[Scar]

What's the point picking the darkest Europeans? We're talking about averages. On average Caucasians are not lighter than Italians, let alone Spaniards. Maybe they are roughly similar in terms of pigmentation, I've never compared them extensively. But they definitely have different facial features.
Irina Shayk is half Tatar, half Russian and has gray-green eyes. She is not "black" at all. She just has a Latin American vibe, so to speak. The Tatars are not considered "black" to begin with.
By the way, Italians are stereotyped as dark all over the world, including Russia due to Hollywood movies and Sicilians.

Yes, I'm talking about average. I agree Spanish/Italians are more European (whatever it means, because everyone from Europe looks European by default) in facial features. But they are not lighter pigmented than North Caucasians or Georgians, no way. If you cannot go beyond your Russian prejudices against Caucasus populations it's not my fault.

I never said Tatars are considered blacks, I said Irina Shayk was called black by Russians and she isn't even darker than average Spaniard/Italian.
Average North Caucasian is Pontid + Mtebid mix and is much lighter than a typical Med.

[Leto]

Alvaro Arbeloa is not dark for a Southern European, actually.
https://platform-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/premierleague/photos/players/250x250/p18759.png

[Leto]

If you cannot go beyond your Russian prejudices against Caucasus populations it's not my fault.

I have no prejudice toward their looks, I might dislike Islam or their barabarian violence (in case of the North Caucasus) but that has nothing to do with looks. Ramzan Kadyrov is ligher than my dad (hair color), but I still view him as a complete savage asshole.

[Scar]

I have no prejudice toward their looks, I might dislike Islam or their barabarian violence (in case of the North Caucasus) but that has nothing to do with looks. Ramzan Kadyrov is ligher than my dad (hair color), but I still view him as a complete savage asshole.

Barbarian pride worldwide. North Caucasians are not sissies. If Russians weren't 100x more numerous than North Caucasians you guys would be slaves now.

[Cristiano viejo]

What this Chechen or whatever user assumes is that the majority of Spaniards look like Arbeloa or Albiol (I would not say Albiol is super dark or exotic but well...), and this does is a stereotype. Between 70 and 80% of Spaniards have pale skin, like this guy

https://img-estaticos.atleticodemadrid.com/system/fotos/3166/destacado_460x460/gabi_int_ficha.png?1438364966

[Leto]

What this Chechen or whatever user assumes is that the majority of Spaniards look like Arbeloa or Albiol (I would not say Albiol is super dark or exotic but well...), and this does is a stereotype. Between 70 and 80% of Spaniards have pale skin, like this guy

Without tan, which is very common in Spain.
Well, he just came out as another Chechen sockpuppet, I won't respond to him anymore.

[FilhoV]

Stop hijacking this thread.

[FilhoV]

Talk about this particular results or gtfo. Take this cuckery to the taxonomy section.

[FilhoV]

I think it depends if they are gracile med and/or berid. If they are, they will be posted.

I post what I like when I like I could care less what you post

[Cristiano viejo]

Stop hijacking this thread.

Stop being obsessed with Spaniards.

[FilhoV]

Pare de chorar

[Bobby Martnen]

Why do threads about genetics of Southern European groups so often degenerate into name-calling?

[Cristiano viejo]

Pare de chorar
Para de estar obsesionado.


Why do threads about genetics of Southern European groups so often degenerate into name-calling?

Because always come from the same obsessed people.

[FilhoV]

Eu faço o quê eu quero, eu não importa.

[Cristiano viejo]

Eu faço o quê eu quero, eu não importa.

Y yo te digo, te llamo y te adjetivizo como yo quiera.

[Leto]

Why do threads about genetics of Southern European groups so often degenerate into name-calling?
Because there is two hyper sensitive persons who can't stand any discussion related to their people.

[Cristiano viejo]

Because there is two hyper sensitive persons who can't stand any discussion related to their people.

What a stupid sentence... there are thousands of threads about Spaniards in TA. Probably the most famous ethnicity by far. Perhaps along Greeks.
One thing is discussing and other what this Portuguese user (Portuguese? not even the own Portuguese members think he is one of them) does: being obsessed. He has created a lot of threads about exotic Spaniards. Only about Spaniards. Imagine that someone did such thing with Russians.

By the way, I asked you what amount of North African Russian score, in the other thread, and you avoided my question. Look who is who can't stand any discussion related to their people...

[Leto]

What a stupid sentence... there are thousands of threads about Spaniards in TA. Probably the most famous ethnicity by far. Perhaps along Greeks.
One thing is discussing and other what this Portuguese user (Portuguese? not even the own Portuguese members think he is one of them) does: being obsessed. He has created a lot of threads about exotic Spaniards. Only about Spaniards. Imagine that someone did such thing with Russians.
Sorry, I don't read those sections, so I'm unaware. This forum is mostly a shit show and I don't wanna waste my time and ruin my mood browsing it besides the "scientific" section.


By the way, I asked you what amount of North African Russian score, in the other thread, and you avoided my question. Look who is who can't stand any discussion related to their people...
Stupid or unserious question. Obviously 0%. Outside of the southermost parts the North African is totally absent in Europe, let alone in the Northeast.

[Damião de Góis]

Because there is two hyper sensitive persons who can't stand any discussion related to their people.

Why are you so interested btw (you appear in every iberian thread)? I don't think any iberian user is interested in russian genetics.

[Leto]

Why are you so interested btw (you appear in every iberian thread)? I don't think any iberian user is interested in russian genetics.
I'm interested ONLY in genetic discussions, don't accuse me of something I am not. Read my statement once again

Sorry, I don't read those sections, so I'm unaware. This forum is mostly a shit show and I don't wanna waste my time and ruin my mood browsing it besides the "scientific" section.
and stop being so freaking sensitive.
I can appear everywhere and you can't tell me to leave as long as I remain civil and respectful, buddy.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm interested ONLY in genetic discussions, don't accuse me of something I am not. Read my statement once again

and stop being so freaking sensitive.
I can appear everywhere and you can't tell me to leave as long as I remain civil and respectful, buddy.

The sensitive one here is you, you gave my question a thumb down. I was genuinely curious why a supposed russian is so interested in iberian genetics.

And you do appear in every thread.

[Mingle]

Why are you so interested btw (you appear in every iberian thread)? I don't think any iberian user is interested in russian genetics.

I see him in all kinds of genetic threads. You may just notice him more in Iberian ones since you're Iberian yourself.

[FilhoV]

What a stupid sentence... there are thousands of threads about Spaniards in TA. Probably the most famous ethnicity by far. Perhaps along Greeks.
One thing is discussing and other what this Portuguese user (Portuguese? not even the own Portuguese members think he is one of them) does: being obsessed. He has created a lot of threads about exotic Spaniards. Only about Spaniards. Imagine that someone did such thing with Russians.

By the way, I asked you what amount of North African Russian score, in the other thread, and you avoided my question. Look who is who can't stand any discussion related to their people...

Comical coming from you the faceless goblin. This is an autosomal section where I post autosomal results. You understand that right?

[Leto]

The sensitive one here is you, you gave my question a thumb down. I was genuinely curious why a supposed russian is so interested in iberian genetics.

And you do appear in every thread.
Remove the word in bold. Is it a fucking crime to post or comment on Portuguese or Andalusian or whatever results? Why so suspicious? My nation is one of the most hated here, I'm not trying to stop you from talking shit about us, I just don't participate in that shit show.
I thumbed you down because you, being a grown-ass man (you're a like 30+ year old bearded guy, older and more masculine than me) act like a girl.

[FilhoV]

Cristiano you are showing severe complex issues, how is posting a thread about DNA, exotic?

I post many people ranging from Greeks to Irish to Asians and even Africans from Angola, what’s your point?

[FilhoV]

Once again you have ruined a perfectly good thread about genetics because you are being an idiot.

Unbelievable!!! 8 pages of bullshit!!

I have Posted genetic results from people from the US Pakistan Jews North Africans , Portuguese , Spanish, Cuban, Irish, Sicilians, Greeks
Etc same goes for the taxonomy section.

[FilhoV]

Leto easily one of the most involved members when it comes to autosomal DNA I’m pretty sure he even has account at Anthrogenica he Literally keeps to him self and spends most of the time on this forum on this section

[Damião de Góis]

Remove the word in bold. Is it a fucking crime to post or comment on Portuguese or Andalusian or whatever results? Why so suspicious? My nation is one of the most hated here, I'm not trying to stop you from talking shit about us, I just don't participate in that shit show.

If you made the odd comment then i would never have asked you this. If i asked then it's because i noticed something strange, an over-presence at topics concerning a remote people to you.


I thumbed you down because you, being a grown-ass man (you're a like 30+ year old bearded guy, older and more masculine than me) act like a girl.

Bearded and masculine? Where did that come from?

Btw, it is you who is acting like a little bitch at my simple question.

[Leto]

I see him in all kinds of genetic threads. You may just notice him more in Iberian ones since you're Iberian yourself.
I thought it was okay to comment when someone posts his or another person's results. To all: yes, I'm mainly interested in Eastern Europe and adjacent regions, but not limited to them. I'm interested in the Middle East, Afghanistan and many other places. Sikeliot is not Greek at all, not even 25%, yet he's been posting Greek results and photos for years. I don't post Portuguese photos or whatever.
I would focus on Anthrogenica but that forum is not so active and this one still has a few good people I'm used to.

[Leto]

If you made the odd comment then i would never have asked you this. If i asked then it's because i noticed something strange, an over-presence at topics concerning a remote people to you.

I don't care what you notice. Maybe you have hallucinations. :lol:


Bearded and masculine? Where did that come from?

I recall seeing your photo a couple of years ago. Anyway, don't make me talk about you, I do not care!

[Cristiano viejo]

Sorry, I don't read those sections, so I'm unaware. This forum is mostly a shit show and I don't wanna waste my time and ruin my mood browsing it besides the "scientific" section.
Then, if you dont know the hintrahistory, you should not do the kind of comments that you often do, always against me.


Stupid or unserious question. Obviously 0%. Outside of the southermost parts the North African is totally absent in Europe, let alone in the Northeast.
Explain then why some Russians score 4 times the amount of SSA than some Spaniards do :rolleyes:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml



Comical coming from you the faceless goblin. This is an autosomal section where I post autosomal results. You understand that right?


Stop sending me PM with insults, you girl. And post about Italians, Russians or Japanese, and forget Spaniards of your mind, obsessed guy.

[Leto]

Then, if you dont know the hintrahistory, you should not do the kind of comments that you often do, always against me.
Um, maybe "against" you, but not against Spain. I treat you as a person, not necessarily as a Spanish person.

Explain then why some Russians score 4 times the amount of SSA than some Spaniards do :rolleyes:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

Below 1% on the calcs is usually noise if you have not learned yet after so many years.

[FilhoV]

ainda chorando como uma putinha

[Leto]

Stop sending me PM with insults, you girl. And post about Italians, Russians or Japanese, and forget Spaniards of your mind, obsessed guy.
Maybe you should annex Portugal and he will immediately become a fellow Spaniard with a weird dialect as the other regional identities and cultures in Spain? :lol:

[Cristiano viejo]

Um, maybe "against" you, but not against Spain. I treat you as a person, not necessarily as a Spanish person.
Forget Spain. You named indirectly to me without knowing what happens between that mongrel Filho and me, and yet you accused me of this and that :rolleyes:


Below 1% on the calcs is usually noise if you have not learned yet after so many years.
Yeah, sure :cool:


Maybe you should annex Portugal and he will immediately become a fellow Spaniard with a weird dialect as the other regional identities and cultures in Spain? :lol:
He even is not Portuguese, and you should worry for your own. I dont put my nose in the Rusky business but as Endovelico pointed, it seems that you have a strange interest in any of our matters...

[FilhoV]

Forget Spain. You named indirectly to me without knowing what happens between that mongrel Filho and me, and yet you accused me of this and that :rolleyes:


Yeah, sure :cool:


He even is not Portuguese, and you should worry for your own. I dont put my nose in the Rusky business but as Endovelico pointed, it seems that you have a strange interest in any of our matters...
Keep me out of your mouth. If anything I wouldn’t be surprised if you were some Latin American another MN Loki

[Cristiano viejo]

Keep me out of your mouth. If anything I wouldn’t be surprised if you were some Latin American another MN Loki

Keep Spaniards out of your mouth, mongrel.

[FilhoV]

Keep Spaniards out of your mouth, mongrel.

You’re one to talk

[Bobby Martnen]

Keep me out of your mouth. If anything I wouldn’t be surprised if you were some Latin American another MN Loki

Cristiano Viejo is probably just an sad, angry little troll.

[FilhoV]

Maybe you should annex Portugal and he will immediately become a fellow Spaniard with a weird dialect as the other regional identities and cultures in Spain? :lol:

Never in a million years.

[FilhoV]

Cristiano Viejo is probably just an sad, angry little troll.

It’s more than obvious I think about it the way he acts is the equivalent of an autistic

[Bobby Martnen]

It’s more than obvious I think about it the way he acts is the equivalent of an autistic

Agreed.

[FilhoV]

I will stop posting Spaniards when you show us your face until then calate a sua boca Paneleiro do caralho

[FilhoV]

Agreed.

It’s not even his poor attempt at trying it’s his crying like a little bitch the guy cries more than anyone I know

[FilhoV]

It’s 3:25 AM in Spain right now and you’re spending your night arguing and crying about something that is totally irrelevant either you’re lying about who you are or you have no life I’m assuming a combination of both

Grande corno

[Cristiano viejo]

Cristiano Viejo is probably just an sad, angry little troll.
That was your lover Grab the Trash.


I will stop posting Spaniards when you show us your face until then calate a sua boca Paneleiro do caralho
As if showing my face had someting to do with this :lol:

And pufff, I have show my face many times, not my fault that you are ugly and brown and butthurt.

You can continie to post all the Spaniards that you want as it is your obsession. I will continue calling you obsessed guy.


It’s 3:25 AM in Spain right now and you’re spending your night arguing and crying about something that is totally irrelevant either you’re lying about who you are or you have no life I’m assuming a combination of both

Grande corno

Brown being, I start to work at 4pm... I understand that a retard like you not even can imagine these things can happen :p

[FilhoV]

You have spammed this post for the past 24 hours if anyone is butthurt it ’s you and you want to call names have you seen what your people look like there’s a reason you post to people that you post your all day you clown

No doubt your a Sudaca

[Cristiano viejo]

You have spammed this post for the past 24 hours if anyone is butthurt it ’s you and you want to call names have you seen what your people look like there’s a reason you post to people that you post your all day you clown

No doubt your a Sudaca
I shit in sudacas, retarded. If you knew something about me you would have seen me shitthing in them 24/7.

You only post exotic Spaniards in a pathetic try to put them in your level, thinking so you are not that exotic.
OBSESSED GUY.

[FilhoV]

I shit in sudacas, retarded. If you knew something about me you would have seen me shitthing in them 24/7.

You only post exotic Spaniards in a pathetic try to put them in your level, thinking so you are not that exotic.
OBSESSED GUY.

Sempre chorando

[Cristiano viejo]

Sempre chorando

Siempre obsesionado.

[FilhoV]

És tu cornudo

[Cristiano viejo]

Not surprised why carlitos called nigga to this filho :icon_lol:

[FilhoV]

You can possibly not be this retarded do you not see my genetic tests on my signature for the threads that I created and why all of a sudden I’m something completely different I’ve been a member since July and all of a sudden I’m something completely different because I don’t agree with your autistic bullshit you have a reputation for being a complexed idiots on this group be a man

[FilhoV]

Unlike you I have proof of who I am you faceless troll

https://i.imgur.com/OzXe9Eo.jpg

[FilhoV]

Not surprised why carlitos called nigga to this filho :icon_lol:

Says the faceless Sudaca

[Cristiano viejo]

No more rep. messages with insults, black faggy.

[FilhoV]

No more rep. messages with insults, black faggy.

És mesmo paneleiro cara de caralho, sem duvida. Falas como tu tens um Chouriço no teu cu.

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

@Filho V :
Cristiano is too pure to take a test.

[FilhoV]

@Filho V :
Cristiano is too pure to take a test.


Too pure is merda

[Leto]

...
Post your Eurogenes K13 results please.

[Cristiano viejo]

@Filho V :
Cristiano is too pure to take a test.

Tests are for complexed and insecure people.

[FilhoV]

Too poor to afford one I imagine.

[Cristiano viejo]

You need three months to gain the salary than what I do in one month, muerto de hambre :thumb001:

[Bobby Martnen]

That was your lover Grab the Trash.


No, Grab the Gauge was a witty and entertaining troll. You're just a low-energy shitposter.

[Bobby Martnen]

You need three months to gain the salary than what I do in one month, muerto de hambre :thumb001:

Judging by the amount of time you spend trolling on TA, I doubt you have a full-time job.

[Cristiano viejo]

No, Grab the Gauge was a witty and entertaining troll. You're just a low-energy shitposter.
Yes, saying every European is black or Mongol is super erntertaining... :rolleyes:


Judging by the amount of time you spend trolling on TA, I doubt you have a full-time job.

Judging by the amount of time you spend in TA, I doubt you graduate.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes, saying every European is black or Mongol is super erntertaining... :rolleyes:

He did more than that, it's just that you don't speak English well enough to understand the subtleties of his trolling.


Judging by the amount of time you spend in TA, I doubt you graduate.

I'm currently in college...

[Cristiano viejo]

He did more than that, it's just that you don't speak English well enough to understand the subtleties of his trolling.
Yes, he gave me more than 1.000 thumbs down in one single day :lol:
What a troll!! :lol:



I'm currently in college...
No surprised.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes, he gave me more than 1.000 thumbs down in one single day :lol:
What a troll!! :lol:

Forever isn't long enough for all the thumbs down I want to give you.


No surprised.

Because in my country, we actually value education.

[Cristiano viejo]

Forever isn't long enough for all the thumbs down I want to give you.

Give me it.


Because in my country, we actually value education.
Yes, you specially... spending your time 24/7 in TA :rolleyes:

[FilhoV]

You have severe complex issues going on you’re not even talking about the topic that this post is about genetics you do this to every single post when someone calls you out on your bullshit

You are a very little man in real life and I feel sorry for you

[FilhoV]

CV you make it so easy to troll you. When you say something about me it doesn’t affect me whatsoever but when I say something about you it clearly triggers you I’m pretty sure when you put your head on the pillow tonight I will be on your mind. Your existence is a waste outside of TA you are irrelevant, your autism influenced behaviour is testament to this.

You use this forum as your personal self esteem booster and anyone that compromises your self-esteem you automatically target guess what you’re a worthless piece of merda

[Cristiano viejo]

You have severe complex issues going on you’re not even talking about the topic that this post is about genetics you do this to every single post when someone calls you out on your bullshit

You are a very little man in real life and I feel sorry for you

Whatever makes you happy baby :thumb001:

[FilhoV]

Whatever makes you happy baby :thumb001:
A photo of your sudaca face would make me happy. Don’t be a pussy

[Cristiano viejo]

A photo of your sudaca face would make me happy. Don’t be a pussy

Do you want it to masturbate, mongrel?

[FilhoV]

Do you want it to masturbate, mongrel?

Your the mongrel better yet a complex subhuman and you must know you are an expert in masturbation.

CV talking about homo shit why I am not surprised

[Cristiano viejo]

Your the mongrel better yet a complex subhuman and you must know you are an expert in masturbation.

CV talking about homo shit why I am not surprised

As I have said, what makes you happy :)

[FilhoV]

As I have said, what makes you happy :)

Lol you have a lot of nerve talking shit I know what you look like

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

Post your Eurogenes K13 results please.

Here you have them : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA

[Cristiano viejo]

Here you have them : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA

The first Euros that you cluster is with Italians. Interesting.

[FilhoV]

Here you have them : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA

Interesting mixed mode some Iberian I see

[Leto]

Here you have them : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA
There's only the oracle there.

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

There's only the oracle there.

Have a look at it now : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA

[Leto]

Have a look at it now : https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA
Thanks. A pure Moroccan. 2.29 is a very small distance. How much Sub-Saharan, East African and Northwest African do you have on Dodecad K12b? I'm not sure whether the NE African on K13 has no Caucasoid in it.

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

Thanks. A pure Moroccan. 2.29 is a very small distance. How much Sub-Saharan, East African and Northwest African do you have on Dodecad K12b? I'm not sure whether the NE African on K13 has no Caucasoid in it.

https://imgur.com/a/FU5wA

[Leto]

It's actually interesting. 0% Gedrosia (which is basically Iran Calcholithic) and 0% North European (which is basically Steppe). However 1/4 Atlantic Med and around 11% Caucasus. My point is that North Africans are strikingly different from both Iberians and Arabians.

This is a Gulf Arab for comparison:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 49.19
2 Caucasus 25.33
3 East_African 8.16
4 Atlantic_Med 6.92
5 Northwest_African 4.91
6 Gedrosia 4.63
7 Southeast_Asian 0.49
8 South_Asian 0.21
9 East_Asian 0.16

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

It's actually interesting. 0% Gedrosia (which is basically Iran Calcholithic) and 0% North European (which is basically Steppe). However 1/4 Atlantic Med and around 11% Caucasus. My point is that North Africans are strikingly different from both Iberians and Arabians.

This is a Gulf Arab for comparison:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 49.19
2 Caucasus 25.33
3 East_African 8.16
4 Atlantic_Med 6.92
5 Northwest_African 4.91
6 Gedrosia 4.63
7 Southeast_Asian 0.49
8 South_Asian 0.21
9 East_Asian 0.16

Thanks for your comments!
It's very interesting. I think we are distinct indeed, although there's a certain overlap.
People from Early Moroccan Neolithic (about 7000 YBP) have affinities with Natufians and Early Neolithic Levantines.
People from Late Moroccan Neolithic (about 5000 YBP) have an European / Anatolian adstratum.

[FilhoV]

Interesting percentages

My K12b
Population
Gedrosia 3.18
Siberian -
Northwest_African 6.79
Southeast_Asian 0.41
Atlantic_Med 41.65
North_European 23.98
South_Asian -
East_African 0.43
Southwest_Asian 6.87
East_Asian -
Caucasus 15.08
Sub_Saharan 1.59

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

What's "Atlantic Med" ?
I guess it's Iberian or French Neolithic but I'm not sure.

[Ibericus]

Some Andalusians that I have :

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.22
2 West_Med 27.87
3 East_Med 13.28
4 Baltic 9.65
5 West_Asian 4.22
6 Red_Sea 3.04
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 South_Asian 0.73
9 Siberian 0.53
10 Northeast_African 0.49
11 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 2.46
2 Spanish_Extremadura 2.73
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 2.76
4 Spanish_Murcia 3.4
5 Spanish_Valencia 3.42
6 Portuguese 3.84
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.94
8 Spanish_Cataluna 4.05
9 Spanish_Galicia 4.34
10 Spanish_Cantabria 4.75
11 Spanish_Aragon 5.37
12 Southwest_French 7.03
13 North_Italian 9.28
14 French 11.04
15 Tuscan 15.29
16 French_Basque 17.09
17 South_Dutch 17.24
18 West_German 17.49
19 Southeast_English 21.37
20 Southwest_English 21.52


North_Atlantic 39.38
Baltic 16.90
West_Med 23.75
West_Asian 1.59
East_Med 12.69
Red_Sea 2.91
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.06
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32
Northeast_African 1.39
Sub-Saharan -


1 Spanish_Cataluna 5.48
2 Spanish_Galicia 5.49
3 Portuguese 5.51
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.83
5 French 6.27
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.36
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.4
8 Spanish_Extremadura 7.64
9 Spanish_Cantabria 7.72
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.21
11 Southwest_French 8.33
12 Spanish_Andalucia 9.5
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.29
14 North_Italian 11.21
15 South_Dutch 11.69
16 West_German 11.86
17 Austrian 15.73
18 Southeast_English 16.21
19 Southwest_English 17
20 Tuscan 17.2




North_Atlantic 41.92
Baltic 9.08
West_Med 27.48
West_Asian 0.50
East_Med 16.44
Red_Sea 2.31
South_Asian 0.42
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.55
Oceanian 0.55
Northeast_African 0.75
Sub-Saharan -

1 Spanish_Valencia 2.91
2 Spanish_Murcia 3.45
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.29
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.62
5 Spanish_Aragon 4.77
6 Spanish_Andalucia 4.77
7 Spanish_Cataluna 5.02
8 Spanish_Extremadura 5.27
9 Portuguese 5.36
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.13
11 Spanish_Galicia 6.51
12 Southwest_French 8.25
13 North_Italian 11.25
14 French 12.29
15 Tuscan 16.71
16 French_Basque 16.9
17 South_Dutch 18.4
18 West_German 18.72
19 Southeast_English 21.75
20 Southwest_English 22.

[FilhoV]

Some Andalusians that I have :

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.22
2 West_Med 27.87
3 East_Med 13.28
4 Baltic 9.65
5 West_Asian 4.22
6 Red_Sea 3.04
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 South_Asian 0.73
9 Siberian 0.53
10 Northeast_African 0.49
11 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 2.46
2 Spanish_Extremadura 2.73
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 2.76
4 Spanish_Murcia 3.4
5 Spanish_Valencia 3.42
6 Portuguese 3.84
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.94
8 Spanish_Cataluna 4.05
9 Spanish_Galicia 4.34
10 Spanish_Cantabria 4.75
11 Spanish_Aragon 5.37
12 Southwest_French 7.03
13 North_Italian 9.28
14 French 11.04
15 Tuscan 15.29
16 French_Basque 17.09
17 South_Dutch 17.24
18 West_German 17.49
19 Southeast_English 21.37
20 Southwest_English 21.52


North_Atlantic 39.38
Baltic 16.90
West_Med 23.75
West_Asian 1.59
East_Med 12.69
Red_Sea 2.91
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.06
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32
Northeast_African 1.39
Sub-Saharan -


1 Spanish_Cataluna 5.48
2 Spanish_Galicia 5.49
3 Portuguese 5.51
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.83
5 French 6.27
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.36
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.4
8 Spanish_Extremadura 7.64
9 Spanish_Cantabria 7.72
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.21
11 Southwest_French 8.33
12 Spanish_Andalucia 9.5
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.29
14 North_Italian 11.21
15 South_Dutch 11.69
16 West_German 11.86
17 Austrian 15.73
18 Southeast_English 16.21
19 Southwest_English 17
20 Tuscan 17.2




North_Atlantic 41.92
Baltic 9.08
West_Med 27.48
West_Asian 0.50
East_Med 16.44
Red_Sea 2.31
South_Asian 0.42
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.55
Oceanian 0.55
Northeast_African 0.75
Sub-Saharan -

1 Spanish_Valencia 2.91
2 Spanish_Murcia 3.45
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 4.29
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.62
5 Spanish_Aragon 4.77
6 Spanish_Andalucia 4.77
7 Spanish_Cataluna 5.02
8 Spanish_Extremadura 5.27
9 Portuguese 5.36
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.13
11 Spanish_Galicia 6.51
12 Southwest_French 8.25
13 North_Italian 11.25
14 French 12.29
15 Tuscan 16.71
16 French_Basque 16.9
17 South_Dutch 18.4
18 West_German 18.72
19 Southeast_English 21.75
20 Southwest_English 22.


Thanks for sharing Ibericus

[Gallop]

Three more Andalusians:



1 North_Atlantic 40.81
2 West_Med 29.04
3 Baltic 10.00
4 East_Med 6.81
5 West_Asian 5.78
6 Red_Sea 3.11
7 Northeast_African 2.34
8 Siberian 1.32

1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.981552
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.635535
3 Southwest_French @ 7.071441
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.985361
5 Spanish_Aragon @ 8.086318
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 8.119795
7 Spanish_Andalucia @ 8.178317
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.416950
9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.417894
10 Spanish_Murcia @ 9.210109
11 Portuguese @ 9.243930
12 Spanish_Valencia @ 9.594018
13 French @ 13.083940
14 French_Basque @ 16.111677
15 North_Italian @ 16.421888
16 South_Dutch @ 18.709227
17 West_German @ 19.458132
18 Southwest_English @ 22.245230
19 Southeast_English @ 22.794052
20 Tuscan @ 23.369787

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.981552


1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.688785


1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.688785
2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.825301
3 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.827335
4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.869595
5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.883793
6 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.905172
7 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.911166
8 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.980536
9 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Romanian @ 5.005794
10 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.049073
11 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.050121
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.066385
13 French_Basque + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.091648
14 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese @ 5.100670
15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.117279
16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.134424
17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.136415
18 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.188694
19 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Southwest_English @ 5.251863
20 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Dutch @ 5.282181




1 North_Atlantic 39.79
2 West_Med 27.81
3 Baltic 12.41
4 East_Med 10.41
5 Sub-Saharan 3.52
6 Red_Sea 2.44
7 West_Asian 2.22
8 Siberian 1.40

1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.217156
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.669754
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.097763
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.127965
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.485277
6 Southwest_French @ 5.716558
7 Portuguese @ 5.777799
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.988018
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.033071
10 Spanish_Murcia @ 6.421991
11 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.927353
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 7.377434
13 French @ 11.157266
14 North_Italian @ 13.806502
15 South_Dutch @ 17.383656
16 West_German @ 17.965183
17 French_Basque @ 18.591408
18 Tuscan @ 21.032415
19 Southeast_English @ 21.884268
20 Southwest_English @ 22.075214

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.498868


1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.489901


1 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.440121
2 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.457685
3 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.489901
4 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.491488
5 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.498868
6 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.504594
7 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.519592
8 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.532312
9 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.542367
10 Portuguese + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 3.560951
11 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.561928
12 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.564443
13 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.610091
14 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.610900
15 Portuguese + Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.617294
16 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.624771
17 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.643520
18 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.644459
19 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.645737
20 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.650630


1 North_Atlantic 40.28
2 West_Med 27.56
3 Baltic 10.88
4 East_Med 10.80
5 Red_Sea 5.02
6 West_Asian 2.56
7 Northeast_African 1.50

1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.162459
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 3.342058
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.429770
4 Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.810957
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.124112
6 Portuguese @ 4.533795
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.978087
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.052106
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.748092
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.811436
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 6.047071
12 Southwest_French @ 6.392626
13 French @ 11.345711
14 North_Italian @ 13.503290
15 South_Dutch @ 18.099699
16 French_Basque @ 18.256721
17 West_German @ 18.675497
18 Tuscan @ 20.465576
19 Southeast_English @ 22.522177
20 Southwest_English @ 22.548519

1 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.243656


1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.142708


1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.120156
2 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.142708
3 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.206359
4 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.231300
5 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.232018
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.243656
7 Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.274958
8 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.275240
9 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.294334
10 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.296194
11 Southwest_French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.304281
12 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.308578
13 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.309184
14 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.319118
15 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.321360
16 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.324897
17 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.328136
18 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.345249
19 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.347528
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.348451