Neanderthal Haplogroup??

[MercifulServant]

Is there such thing? There must be someone in the world whos paternal ancestry if you go far back enough is neanderthal as we have like 1-2% Neanderthal blood

[Dick]

Is there such thing? There must be someone in the world whos paternal ancestry if you go far back enough is neanderthal as we have like 1-2% Neanderthal blood

They wont publish their ydna or mtdna for some reason, probably political.

[MercifulServant]

They wont publish their ydna or mtdna for some reason, probably political.

FUCK who's hiding it?

[Dick]

FUCK who's hiding it?

Lol well if they have autosmal dna from them and can tell that we share dna with them on 23andme then they must have ydna and mtdna too.

[MercifulServant]

Lol well if they have autosmal dna from them and can tell that we share dna with them on 23andme then they must have ydna and mtdna too.

Hopefully someone reveals it in the future do you know any calcs or anything that determine how much Neanderthal ancestry you have autosomally?

[dimadoe]

Is there such thing? There must be someone in the world whos paternal ancestry if you go far back enough is neanderthal as we have like 1-2% Neanderthal blood

What sort of controversy could revealing the y-dna cause?

[Dick]

What sort of controversy could revealing the y-dna cause?

They are considered to be inferior to modern humans.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Neanderthals were subhumans. End of story

[MercifulServant]

Bump

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

They are considered to be inferior to modern humans.

Yet humans who have significant neanderthal ancestry have been historically more sucessful than those who don't.

[Jana]

I heard they didn't have haplogroups in a sense modern humans do.

[Jana]

Neanderthals were subhumans. End of story

Absolutely wrong and far from truth.

[MercifulServant]

Yet humans who have significant neanderthal ancestry have been historically more sucessful than those who don't.

No one has really significant ancestry from them though isn't it like 2%

[MercifulServant]

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[Jana]

What are they then?

They had very large brains, very impressive physical power and they were known to care for their old/sick and dependent family members.

[MercifulServant]

They had very large brains, very impressive physical power and they were known to care for their old/sick and dependent family members.

We made them go extinct though and they were not very smart

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

No one has really significant ancestry from them though isn't it like 2%

Neanderthal ancestry accounts for less than 4% of your overall DNA (according to 23andMe).

[Jana]

We made them go extinct though and they were not smart

They didn't went completely extinct, they mixed with modern humans. Climate change impacted their numbers mostly

[Jana]

I have higher than average neanderthal DNA as per 23andme :cheer_icoon:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I have higher than average neanderthal DNA as per 23andme :cheer_icoon:

Me too, I have 286 variants. I bet you can't beat that.

[MercifulServant]

I have higher than average neanderthal DNA as per 23andme :cheer_icoon:

I hope I don't have much Neanderthal. Is there any genetic calculators that tells you how Neanderthal you are?

[Jana]

Me too, I have 286 variants. I bet you can't beat that.

I have 283 :) close!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I hope I don't have much Neanderthal. Is there any genetic calculators that tells you how Neanderthal you are?

23andMe tells you how much Neanderthal variants you have. You will have hundreds of Neanderthal variants unless you're African, they have the lowest Neanderthal ancestry.

[mosaic potato]

It's haplogroup i (eye), everybody thinks so.

Haplogroup I appeared 24'400 years ago in what is present day western asia, somewhere north of Iran or Transcaucasia. It is a key marker of Paleolithic man in Europe, ie. first humans to breed with Neanderthals. Having survived several ice ages, haplogroup I is the only haplogroup that's most present almost exclusively on the European continent (not counting the European colonists in the New World). It is assumed that this haplogroup has 15% of Europe's population today.

[Dick]

Yet humans who have significant neanderthal ancestry have been historically more sucessful than those who don't.

jews?

[Profileid]

Neanderthals were subhumans. End of story

Woa that's kinda racist.

[Profileid]

Me too, I have 286 variants. I bet you can't beat that.


I have 283 :) close!

https://i.imgur.com/oeqfxM6.png

[Bosniensis]

Me too, I have 286 variants. I bet you can't beat that.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180222/1eb60446908612cb82f4c6cc9e1ae3fc.jpg



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[Vigilance]

They didn't went completely extinct, they mixed with modern humans. Climate change impacted their numbers mostly

In a non-significant way.

[Vigilance]

Me too, I have 286 variants. I bet you can't beat that.

Can you explain more?

[WillyWonka]

They are considered to be inferior to modern humans.

Actually, my Anthropology teacher mentioned the opposite. Due to their skull size, they had more capacity and their brain was developed more than Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Can you explain more?

I did a 23andMe DNA Acenstry test, which reports how much of my ancestry can be traced back to Neanderthals. They have 2872 Neanderthal variants tested, so it means I got 286 variants out of those.

[Artek]

Actually, my Anthropology teacher mentioned the opposite. Due to their skull size, they had more capacity and their brain was developed more than Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
That's an incorrect conclusion. If cranial capacity itself made the difference, huge animals with corresponding brains (like whales or elephants) would've been the smartest.

It is more important how "wired" the brain is, how capable of establishing new neural connections, not the capacity.

[Bosniensis]

Neanthertals do not exist, it’s invention by IE people to slander Porto Europeans I,J people etc


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[sailormoon]

Yotova et al. (2011) identified that the B006 haplotype is derived from Neanderthals. The authors found that all derived alleles shared with Neanderthals occur at high frequencies on the background of the extended B006 haplotype as expected in a segment of recent Neanderthal origin. The ubiquity of B006 lineage worldwide indicates early Neanderthal admixture prior to the expansion of the population ancestral to non-African populations. In Africa, B006 can only be found at the northern and northeastern outskirts of sub-Saharan Africa as a result of gene flow from a non-African source.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/TUASbQImIWI/AAAAAAAAAfo/kD8eGbxidp8/s1600/X-DNA+B006.jpg
Fig. 1. Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype based on a sample of 6,092 X-chromosomes. Samples are listed in supplementary table S1, Supplementary Material online. Certain subpopulations were merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.



In the available Neandertal sequence (Green et al. 2010), there is information on 20 of 35 dys44 polymorphic sites. These represent 18 ancestral and 2 derived alleles, fully matching the corresponding sites of B006 (table 1). One of the derived alleles, C of rs6631517, is also shared with other dys44 haplotypes, whereas the second one, G of rs11795471, is unique to B006 (the information on two remaining B006-polymorphisms is not available). Figure 2 illustrates plausible historical pathways leading to the three observed categories of the dys44 haplotypes. Haplotypes, such as B007, B010, and B012 in table 1 are specific to sub-Saharan Africa. They carry common (sites of type 1 and 3) and African-specific polymorphisms (sites 2, 4, and 6). The remaining haplotypes, except B006, are cosmopolitan and are found both inside and outside Africa. The third category, absent from Africa, is represented by B006, which carries two types of derived alleles that are shared with Neandertal DNA. The mutation at site 1 (as rs6631517 above) was presumably fixed in Neandertals and segregated along the ancestral allele in the human lineage. Derived alleles acquired through recent admixture (site 5) are expected to be only found in the progeny of the admixed individuals as in the case of rs11795471. Moreover, the Neandertal origin of B006 is consistent with the allelic status of the remaining 19 of the 20 Neandertal sites of known identity (table 1) and confirmed by analysis of the B006 flanking segments in HapMap3 (Altshuler et al. 2010).

Outside Africa, B006 is found in all habitable continents including Australia, as determined from a remote community of isolated indigenous Australians living in Central Australia (fig. 1). The ubiquity of B006 lineage reflects a worldwide contribution of Neandertal lineages to non-African genomes. It indicates very early Neandertal admixture prior to successful range expansion of the population ancestral to virtually all contemporary non-African populations and confirms earlier contention of very early admixture based on the analysis of Neandertal segments in European, Han, and Papuan genomes (Green et al. 2010). Hodgson et al. 2010 proposed such admixture through early Levantine contacts of modern humans and Neandertals, prior to the most recent out-of-Africa expansion, and suggested that traces of such admixture should be still detectable in sub-Saharan populations of Northeastern Africa. In contrast, rather than considering admixture, an alternative explanation posits that the ancestral population of present-day non-Africans was more closely related to Neandertals than the ancestral population of present-day Africans (Green et al. 2010). Indeed, the evidence is accumulating on deep subdivisions within the ancestral population in Africa (Labuda, Zietkiewicz, Yotova 2000; Falush et al. 2003; Cohen et al. 2007; Yotova et al. 2007; Behar et al. 2008; Gunz et al. 2009). As in the case of admixture through Levantine contacts, the latter explanation also implies significant sharing of Neandertal haplotypes between all non-Africans and Northeastern Africans. On the other hand, no evidence for these scenarios is found in our data, whereas the oldest lineages tend to be found in South rather than Northeastern Africa (Behar et al. 2008; Campbell and Tishkoff 2010). Paleontological findings (Shea 2008; Petraglia et al. 2010) point to the occupation of the Levant by Neandertals and early H. sapiens at nonoverlapping time periods making their early contacts unlikely. Interestingly, some of the HapMap3 haplotypes from the segments proposed by Green et al. 2010 and fulfilling our criteria of Neandertal admixture, also turn out in Maasai, where, however, their occurrence can be due to recent back-to-Africa migration (Sikora et al. 2011).

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/28/7/1957/1048596

[MercifulServant]

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[Bobby Martnen]

They had very large brains, very impressive physical power and they were known to care for their old/sick and dependent family members.

But could they post on Apricity? That's the real measure of intelligence...

[Bobby Martnen]

jews?

:jew:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Woa that's kinda racist.Its not racists. They were not humans. They are a seperate species. Literally. Humans are homosapians. Not neanderthal.

[Profileid]

Its not racists. They were not humans. They are a seperate species. Literally. Humans are homosapians. Not neanderthal.


Neanderthals were subhumans. End of story

???
Is this because neanderthal ancestry is fairly high in whites so you don't like them because of that?

[Kamal900]

My dad looks kinda like a neanderthal even though I don't know my Y-DNA yet :/

[Kouros]

It's true. Technically Sub-Saharan Africans are the most 'human' and Eurasians are the real subhumans since they have 1-4% neanderthal DNA.

[MercifulServant]

It's true. Technically Sub-Saharan Africans are the most 'human' and Eurasians are the real subhumans since they have 1-4% neanderthal DNA.

Fuck

[Kouros]

Fuck

Why? Being chetnik is much better.

[Kelmendasi]

Its not racists. They were not humans. They are a seperate species. Literally. Humans are homosapians. Not neanderthal.
No, they did belong to the same species as Homo Sapiens which is why they were able to produce fertile offspring with Homo Sapiens. They are part of the Homo/Human species and if they weren't they wouldn't have been able to produce fertile offspring with Homo Sapiens

[EdwardS]

G2a Maybe

[Kelmendasi]

Neanderthals didn't share haplogroups with people living today

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

???
Is this because neanderthal ancestry is fairly high in whites so you don't like them because of that?

Dna testing says i have neanderthal ancestry. What is your point? Its supposebly high in asians and natives also...
I dont believe we really have neanderthal ancestry though. Because its over 40 thousand years and neanderthals were majorily blood type negative. Humans were blood type positive. Plus we have 0 neanderthal haplogroups

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No, they did belong to the same species as Homo Sapiens which is why they were able to produce fertile offspring with Homo Sapiens. They are part of the Homo/Human species and if they weren't they wouldn't have been able to produce fertile offspring with Homo SapiensThey arent part of the same species they evolved from another variant of homo erectus I think and left africa way earlier than homosapians

[Kelmendasi]

They arent part of the same species they evolved from another variant of homo erectus I think and left africa way earlier than homosapians
They are for the reason that they could produce fertile offspring. "A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms in which two individuals can produce fertile offspring". Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals belong to the same species of Homo but just different subspecies

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

They are for the reason that they could produce fertile offspring. "A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms in which two individuals can produce fertile offspring". Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals belong to the same species of Homo but just different subspeciesThey arent. Apparantly chimps share more Dna with humans than neanderthal

[Kelmendasi]

They arent. Apparantly chimps share more Dna with humans than neanderthal
And how aren't they? they were able to produce fertile offspring with humans and belong to the Homo group, chimps on the other hand are completely incomparable to Neanderthals in this sense.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

And how aren't they? they were able to produce fertile offspring with humans and belong to the Homo group, chimps on the other hand are completely incomparable to Neanderthals in this sense.How can they be the same species if chimps have more dna with humans than neanderthal?
For this reason i dont believe they interbred

[MercifulServant]

Neanderthals didn't share haplogroups with people living today

There's gotta be someone in the world that's Neanderthal in origin paternally as we have some blood from them

[Kelmendasi]

How can they be the same species if chimps have more dna with humans than neanderthal?
For this reason i dont believe they interbred
Can you show me a source for that? They are part of the Homo group/Species this is proven and it's also proven that they intermixed to produce fertile offspring which is only possible for people within the same species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

[Kelmendasi]

There's gotta be someone in the world that's Neanderthal in origin paternally as we have some blood from them
So far there isn't any person who belongs to their haplogroups

[Jana]

How can they be the same species if chimps have more dna with humans than neanderthal?
For this reason i dont believe they interbred

lol

[Astarte]

I have higher than average neanderthal DNA as per 23andme :cheer_icoon:

As a Neanderthal enthusiast, I envy you.

I chose 23andme because I wanted to know my neanderthal % and mtdna.

I was expecting a high neanderthal % and I got disappointed :(

[Jana]

As a Neanderthal enthusiast, I envy you.

I chose 23andme because I wanted to know my neanderthal % and mtdna.

I was expecting a high neanderthal % and I got disappointed :(

That because Europeans have more neanderthal DNA than west asians/middle eastenres and especially Africans.

In Europe northern Europeans tend to have more than southern on average, but it depend on individual :)

[MercifulServant]

So far there isn't any person who belongs to their haplogroups

What haplos do they have?

[Kelmendasi]

What haplos do they have?
it's just been said that they didn't carry haplogroups found in modern day humans, although the exact names haven't been released so people have become skeptical about them not carrying haplos found in people today

[Sacrificed Ram]

Still was not found a living person with a neanderthal haplogroup. Maybe someday, maybe never more. I still don't understand how they can differ a neanderthal set of genes from a common heidelbergensis sharing.

[Petalpusher]

Their Y predates A00, our common ancestor is at least 500ky old. Also possible only the modern humans + neanderthal female's offsprings survived.

[Not a Cop]

Actually, my Anthropology teacher mentioned the opposite. Due to their skull size, they had more capacity and their brain was developed more than Homo Sapiens Sapiens.


That's an incorrect conclusion. If cranial capacity itself made the difference, huge animals with corresponding brains (like whales or elephants) would've been the smartest.

It is more important how "wired" the brain is, how capable of establishing new neural connections, not the capacity.

Some time ago i've translated an article of Russian anthropologist about the theme you've discussed, i bet you'll find it interesting.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?163712-Are-we-getting-dumber-The-reasons-for-decrease-of-the-brain-mass

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I have been wondering myself if someone did inherited a hg from neanderthals.

According to scientists when interbreeding occurred it occurred exclusively between male homo sapiens and female neanderthal, so going by this theory the only possibility is that someone might inherited a neanderthal mtdna but we still haven't got any information about this perhaps due lack of evidence.