Polish - the hardest language in the world.

[Rethel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGJ8mor6Qpw

[Joso]

Maybe Finnish is worst

[Bosniensis]

Polish is slightly different to South Slavic languages... we also have 7 cases etc.. really complex to foreigners.

In comparison with our languages, English is childish, it's like language for babies in comparison with Slavic langauges.

[Crimean]

The Polish language has all the complexities of the Russian, plus its own.

[Rethel]

Maybe Finnish is worst

Nope. Finnish is easy from the fusional point of view. You just glue the words. Like that:
Nope. Finnishiseasyfromthefusionalpointofview. Youjustglue thewords. Likethat.

[Rethel]

Polish is slightly different to South Slavic languages... we also have 7 cases etc.. really complex to foreigners.

But we have more conjugations, declinations and much more sounds than rest of all slavic languages.



In comparison with our languages, English is childish, it's like language for babies in comparison with Slavic langauges.

It is self known and obvious.

[Cristiano viejo]

Agreed, they use 10 consonants for every fuckin vowel :blink:

[Kamal900]

But..is it as hard as Arabic? No, I don't think Polish is that hard honestly.

[Porn Master]

languages of native Americans, Caucasus and black Africa are the most hardest in the world, even Chinese + Japanese + Arabic are nothing comparing with them

[revealman]

BS

try to learn chinese or japanese with thousands of symbols :D

polish with its short alphabet is easy

[Jana]

I actually agree, Polish is really hard , even for other Slavic speaker.

[Rethel]

But..is it as hard as Arabic? No, I don't think Polish is that hard honestly.

Harder.
Bizzare unreadable system writing does not make your language harder per se, really.


try to learn chinese or japanese with thousands of symbols :D

We are talking about language, not writing system...
Write it in latin alphabet and all "hardness" will vanish.


polish with its short alphabet is easy

For east slovak polish dialect speaker... :picard2:

[Bobby Martnen]

Agreed, they use 10 consonants for every fuckin vowel :blink:

Your language includes random silent h, pronounces j like h, uses strange sounds for the vowels (i making the ee sound is very counterintuitive), and uses ñ where ny would suffice.

[Rethel]

languages of native Americans, Caucasus and black Africa are the most hardest in the world

I doubt.
They are very primitive.
Only they do agglutnate deeper than Uralo-Altaic.
Not big difference.
When you will read some exact translation even in russian, you will see what I mean.


Your language includes random silent h, pronounces j like h, uses strange sounds for the vowels (i making the ee sound is very counterintuitive), and uses ñ where ny would suffice.

Piece of cake.

[Egyptian]

Not even close to Ancient Egyptian language or Arabic ..

[Bobby Martnen]

Piece of cake.

The point I'm trying to make is that Cristiano and his language are stupid.

[Bobby Martnen]

Not even close to Ancient Egyptian language or Arabic ..

Coptic is the modern descendant of Ancient Egyptian.

[Porn Master]

I doubt.
They are very primitive.
Only they do agglutnate deeper than Uralo-Altaic.






have you ever heard their languages? xD

[Rethel]

Coptic is the modern descendant of Ancient Egyptian.

No sense in disscussing with him, as he thinks, that everything from Egypt
has to be the topest, no matter the topic. He does not even know, what
the fusional language means, he does not know ancient egyptian, and he
is speaking a deformed form of arabic as english is of Germanic. So, just
do not feed the troll, who thinks is a turbo-ramses and turbo-mahomet
in one person, but does not even know, if he is hamite or semite.

[Rethel]

have you ever heard their languages? xD

Yes. And they usualy jave small number of sounds.
Only caucasian and some khoisam languages can have a very big
amount of phonems - what in that part would make them the hardest.
But here we have to also - and mainly - take unto account the structure
of the language, which in the case of mention by me groups is also no so
difficult comparing to IE exemplary languages, among which polish is the
best example, followed by other west savic and lithuanian languages.

[Egyptian]

No sense in disscussing with him, as he thinks, that everything from Egypt
has to be the topest, no matter the topic. He does not even know, what
the fusional language means, as he is, he does not know ancoent egyptian,
and he is speaking a deformed form of arabic as english is of Germanic. So,
just do not feed the troll, who thinks is a turbo-ramses and turbo-mahomet
in one person, but he does not even know, if he is hamite or semite.

:lol:

[MissMischief]

Oh man, Finnish must be up there too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW5RGOAtVvs

[Bobby Martnen]

No sense in disscussing with him, as he thinks, that everything from Egypt
has to be the topest, no matter the topic. He does not even know, what
the fusional language means, as he is, he does not know ancoent egyptian,
and he is speaking a deformed form of arabic as english is of Germanic. So,
just do not feed the troll, who thinks is a turbo-ramses and turbo-mahomet
in one person, but he does not even know, if he is hamite or semite.

Finally we agree on something!!!

[Bobby Martnen]

Oh man, Finnish must be up there too:


Why are you so interested in Finland/Finnish?

[revealman]

Harder.
Bizzare unreadable system writing does not make your language harder per se, really.



We are talking about language, not writing system...
Write it in latin alphabet and all "hardness" will vanish.



For east slovak polish dialect speaker... :picard2:

i never learned polish and i understand 90%

i have polish friends

polish is only a dialect

to say polish is harder than any other slavic language, is like comparing tirolean dialect to school german..

chinese and japanese is far more than symbols ;) try to learn chinese..

[Rethel]

i never learned polish and i understand 90%

And vice versa.

[Porn Master]

Yes. And they usualy jave small number of sounds.
Only caucasian and some khoisam languages can have a very big
amount of phonems - what in that part would make them the hardest.
But here we have to also - and mainly - take unto account the structure
of the language, which in the case of mention by me groups is also no so
difficult comparing to IE exemplary languages, among which polish is the
best example, followed by other west savic and lithuanian languages.




celtic ones are also hardest IE languages

[Yuven]

.
For all Slavic speakers it must be quite easy. Much easier than for example Japanese language.
Slavic languages are probably easier even for all other Europeans. Still a very similar way of thinking.

[Finnish Swede]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW0qZIHpt1I

[Bobby Martnen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW0qZIHpt1I

:picard2:

[Finnish Swede]

Oh man, Finnish must be up there too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW5RGOAtVvs

LOL.

[Óttar]

Maybe Finnish is worst
I studied Sanskrit for three years. There are 8 cases in Sanskrit and three genders as well as words with different endings which all require different, albeit similar, inflections. I have the feeling that Sanskrit is the hardest language in the world, so I could not imagine how hard Finnish with its gigantic number of cases must be.

[Finnish Swede]

I studied Sanskrit for three years. There are 8 cases in Sanskrit and three genders as well as words with different endings which all require different, albeit similar, inflections. I have the feeling that Sanskrit is the hardest language in the world, so I could not imagine how hard Finnish with its gigantic number of cases must be.

Grammatical cases (15 different ones) are probable the most difficult part of Finnish language (all: verb, substative and object will change depending of right grammatical case). Plus add that the normal variations of pronouns and verbs tenses...and the mix will become hell of any foreigner.

Also words with/without double wovels and/or double consonats causes big problems to many foreigners...to note those (as the meanings of words are very different).

[Rethel]

LOL.

English speakers will mess every language, becasue they can't even read their own alphabet.
And obviously you can;t take a coincidental person form the street and ask him to read otgher language.
But when ones knew the rules of reading, finnish is one of the easiest. Maybe funny sounding, but easy.

I said once to my familiar, who is an UgrofiN1an: why did you named your son with such hard to speak
unpronouncable name like Siemowit, insted of some the normal one, some easy to say, like Väinämöinen... :)

[Bobby Martnen]

LOL.

:picard2:

[Rethel]

I studied Sanskrit for three years. There are 8 cases in Sanskrit and three genders as well as words with different endings which all require different, albeit similar, inflections. I have the feeling that Sanskrit is the hardest language in the world,

So imagine, that polish has 18 of such declinations and 17 conjugations, multiplied
by moods, multiplyed by tenses, multiplyed by genders, myltiply by aspects aso...


so I could not imagine how hard Finnish with its gigantic number of cases must be.

Much easier, as he does not have any of it what I said.
You only glue words. When you once get it, it is easy.

[Bobby Martnen]

Grammatical cases (15 different ones) are probable the most difficult part of Finnish language (all: verb, substative and object will change depending of right grammatical case). Plus add that the normal variations of pronouns and verbs tenses...and the mix will become hell of any foreigner.

Also words with/without double wovels and/or double consonats causes big problems to many foreigners...to note those (as the meanings of words are very different).

I'm glad to be a native English speaker, because English actually makes sense.

[Rethel]

Grammatical cases (15 different ones)


It is wrongly called cases, as these are a different things than fusional cases. An agglutinative
"case" is just the way of making a word. Thats all. It should be in the part of word-formation,
not in inflection, which is totaly absent from agglutinative languages. For example, for this
guy, only 2-4 german cases were harder than 30 hungarian. (https://www.fluentin3months.com/hungarian-is-easy/) Why? Becasue hungarian
cases are not cases, as they are just agglutinative fixes... swedish would be harder than
finnish for him with his small remains of fusionality. The only thing in finnish which can be
apparently hard if foreign vocabulary not similar to anything humane, but also this, has to
be just learned as in any other language, so is not so hard indeed and can't be a factor of
gramatical harndess, which this thread is actually about.

[Rethel]

I'm glad to be a native English speaker, because English actually makes sense.

And I am glad that I am not, becasue becasue of that,
I can see how primitive other languages, like analithic
english are, and how clever the fusional languages are.

[Harkonnen]

I'm glad to be a native English speaker, because English actually makes sense.

Every language makes sense to the native speaker. It is purely subjective experience. Anyway, simplicity is efficiency; one advantage of Finnish language is indeed phonetic simplicity which make it very easy language to write if you know how to speak it. The idea of spelling contests like you have in anglosphere looks completely ridiculous from Finnish POV, because it's just so ridiculously easy in Finnish.

[Harkonnen]

And I am glad that I am not, becasue becasue of that,
I can see how primitive other languages, like analithic
english are, and how clever the fusional languages are.

So you are a proud speaker of language that makes no sense to you? Interesting.

[Bobby Martnen]

And I am glad that I am not, becasue becasue of that,
I can see how primitive other languages, like analithic
english are, and how clever the fusional languages are.

???

[Bobby Martnen]

Every language makes sense to the native speaker. It is purely subjective experience. Anyway, simplicity is efficiency; one advantage of Finnish language is indeed phonetic simplicity which make it very easy language to write if you know how to speak it. The idea of spelling contests like you have in anglosphere looks completely ridiculous from Finnish POV, because it's just so ridiculously easy in Finnish.

But you guys have such long words with so many diacritics, to me that seems confusing.

[Finnish Swede]

It is wrongly called cases, as these are a different things than fusional cases. An agglutinative
"case" is just the way of making a word. Thats all. It should be in the part of word-formation,
not in inflection, which is totaly absent from agglutinative languages. For example, for this
guy, only 2-4 german cases were harder than 30 hungarian. (https://www.fluentin3months.com/hungarian-is-easy/) Why? Becasue hungarian
cases are not cases, as they are just agglutinative fixes... swedish would be harder than
finnish for him with his small remains of fusionality. The only thing in finnish which can be
apparently hard if foreign vocabulary not similar to anything humane, but also this, has to
be just learned as in any other language, so is not so hard indeed and can't be a factor of
gramatical harndess, which this thread is actually about.

Honestly...you make it sound too easy. You might be able to speak Finnish someway (or that Finn can undestand you...via contex)...but to really get those agglutinatives always correct? You will need to live here 30years minumun. And still some German makes several mistakes...

To do that correctly...it is not that easy.

Swedish is much easier language to anyone who speaks indo-European language.

[Harkonnen]

To draw a analogy: best language for coding is simple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC

[Kelmendasi]

Polish isnt that hardest language to learn

[Rethel]

???

If I would be a native english speaker like you, I would
not be able to get many abstract things, neither I would
not be able to understand the complexity or real IE language,
and it's superiority on other types of languages.

More than that, as I see here what people are saying, I wouyldn;t
be able to understand simple stuff, becasue english has broken
meanings and uses of certain terms, with which you also have
a big problems. For example, you do not know what it is family,
family tree, you can;t get, that unrelated ascentands are not
parts of the same family and the same tree. You do not know,
what the term nation stands for. You can;t differentiate the tribe
which is made from related people from the tribe which is a horde.
You cannot differentiate state from the country. You can;t even
differentiate paternal unlce from maternal one. And these are just
simple examples from vocabulary, It is much deeper in grammar and
the structure of the language itself, what very clearly and righly
discribed Bosnensis here and in his thread about english.

[Rethel]

Polish isnt that hardest language to learn

So prove it by learning it! :)

[Kelmendasi]

So prove it by learning it! :)
Idk, I just know that it isn't the hardest according to linguists

[Bobby Martnen]

If I would be a native english speaker like you, I would
not be able to get many abstract things, neither I would
not be able to understand the complexity or real IE language,
and it's superiority on other types of languages.

More than that, as I see here what people are saying, I wouyldn;t
be able to understand simple stuff, becasue english has broken
meanings and uses of certain terms, with which you also have
a big problems. For example, you do not know what it is family,
family tree, you can;t get, that unrelated ascentands are not
parts of the same family and the same tree. You do not know,
what the term nation stands for. You can;t differentiate the tribe
which is made from related people from the tribe which is a horde.
You cannot differentiate state from the country. You can;t even
differentiate paternal unlce from maternal one. And these are just
simple examples from vocabulary, It is much deeper in grammar and
the structure of the language itself, what very clearly and righly
discribed Bosnensis here and in his thread about english.

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[Rethel]

You will need to live here 30years minumun.

Nope: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Salmela

[Bobby Martnen]

So prove it by learning it! :)

KURWAAAAAAAAAA!

[Rethel]

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Yes, deny everything... only to feel better.

[Dandelion]

Polish is an awesome language. It should've been the most widely spoken Slavic language instead of Russian. More Poles would be here to stir up drama from Polonophobes here, generating great lulz to be had for the rest of us for one.

[Finnish Swede]

Nope: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Salmela

You are sure that publisher etc. will not correct anything? I would't....

[Rethel]

Idk, I just know that it isn't the hardest according to linguists

They take unto account many things as the native language of learner or the writing system.

But here we are talking not about the the hardest language to lean in the couse, but the
hardest language to learn in his structure. Taking that aspect for consideration, even east
asian languages are easy, especially japanese. Yes, some of the have hard tones, but when
someone listen enaugh paying attantion, he can get it. but the complextity and the internal
structure of the language of even chinese is just not existing at all. There is just almost no
grammar - even less than in english.

[Dandelion]

I studied Sanskrit for three years. There are 8 cases in Sanskrit and three genders as well as words with different endings which all require different, albeit similar, inflections. I have the feeling that Sanskrit is the hardest language in the world, so I could not imagine how hard Finnish with its gigantic number of cases must be.

There's also a cultural load that makes it more difficult. With Polish at least I know I'm dealing with a Catholic people with similar traditions to mine. You as a Hindu probably have less of a barrier versus Sanskrit, though. Still a language of the Indian peninsula, a part of the world that's vastly different from ours and was only a living language in an ancient era that is even more different from the world as we know it today. Polish, on the other hand, is a living modern language spoken by millions and by a people with a similar culture.

[Rethel]

You are sure that publisher etc. will not correct anything? I would't....

Rather she write on her own. I remember couple of years ago she was famous,
and did explain, that she learn it on her own and very quickly startaed to write...

[Bobby Martnen]

There's also a cultural load that makes it more difficult. With Polish at least I know I'm dealing with a Catholic people with similar traditions to mine. You as a Hindu probably have less of a barrier versus Sanskrit, though. Still a language of the Indian peninsula, a part of the world that vastly different from ours and was only a living language in an ancient era that is even more different from the world as we know it today. Polish, on the other hand, is a living modern language spoken by millions by a people with a similar culture.

Exactly.

[Dandelion]

People bring up the many cases Finnish has as its struggle point. But aren't cases in Uralic languages more regular or at least follow a more logical pattern than fusional Indo-European languages? However, I do know Finnish has the tendency to be spoken informally in a radical different way than it written formally, perhaps more so than the case in Polish. That is a difficulty in itself.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes, deny everything... only to feel better.

It's okay, Rethel, I still love you.

[Harkonnen]

If I were a Christian man I'd rather learn the language of the Angels (both the fallen and the risen). It would help days go by both in Heaven &Hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19TtWG-dbE

^the Angels sound kinda Polish

[Óttar]

There's also a cultural load that makes it more difficult. With Polish at least I know I'm dealing with a Catholic people with similar traditions to mine. You as a Hindu probably have less of a barrier versus Sanskrit, though. Still a language of the Indian peninsula, a part of the world that's vastly different from ours and was only a living language in an ancient era that is even more different from the world as we know it today. Polish, on the other hand, is a living modern language spoken by millions and by a people with a similar culture.
But the statement that Polish is the hardest language in the world is patently absurd. Slavic languages are difficult, but not the hardest in the world. The relative difficulty of Polish is due to its Slavicness and ridiculous orthography. There is no good reason for all those consonants.

[Rethel]

People bring up the many cases Finnish has as its struggle point. But aren't cases in Uralic languages more regular or at least follow a more logical pattern than fusional Indo-European languages?

Yes, they are - becasue they are actualy not cases in greek, latin Indoeuropean sense of the word.

They are rather a patterns of word-formation. Thats all. They even shouldnbe be called cases.

In polish, for example, I counted 20 different forms of vocative and I stopped.
fusonal endings bears no meaning of its own. Are just to give to the word price
and multilevel maening, and sometimes are just plenty of them, just for diversity.

It is not the thing in agglutinative "cases". Their endings bear a certain meaning,
and only one meaning. They have no multilevel deep meaning given to the word,
and whan you want to make it more precise you have to add another ending, and
another and another, which are often juest a separate words on its own. This is
very similar to how in german are making long words, or in english a long frazes
but written all together as in german. a=As for example, insted of saying "in home"
you write in finnish "homein" and this is called a case. :picard1:

But real case, like in polish looks like that: in houseu - the ending does
not bear the meaning in it's own, and can - often has - to be used with the preposition.
The ending gives to the word his place in the sentance and shows what role and
what case, number, aspect, tance it has. In finnish it would be just added the
preposition with only one meaning of itself - in.

[Harkonnen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian

[Dandelion]

But the statement that Polish is the hardest language in the world is patently absurd. Slavic languages are difficult, but not the hardest in the world. The relative difficulty of Polish is due to its Slavicness and ridiculous orthography. There is no good reason for all those consonants.

Perhaps the Cyrillic alphabet is more fit for Slavic languages, including Polish.

http://steen.free.fr/cyrpol/index.html

However, due to being Catholic and due to the association of the Cyrillic alphabet with Orthodox Christianity, Polish is written in the Latin alphabet using a mixed biconsonental as diacritic orthography as opposed to a diacritic one as known in Czech and Slovak.

Still it seems that orthography in Slavic languages tends to be very phonetic and logical. Grammar very irregular and complex with many rules and exceptions which follow a very abstract pattern that's hard to explain, yet its speakers sense it.

[CommonSense]

It's the hardest of all Slavic languages, that's for sure.

[Rethel]

But the statement that Polish is the hardest language in the world is patently absurd. Slavic languages are difficult, but not the hardest in the world. The relative difficulty of Polish is due to its Slavicness and ridiculous orthography. There is no good reason for all those consonants.

:picard2:

You just don;t understand. Read Bosnensis.
It can't be even showed to english speaker on the example of english.
But the opposite can be easly.


It's the hardest of all Slavic languages, that's for sure.

And slavic are hardest from all IE, and IE are hardest from all languages, which makes polish the hardest of all :)

[Dandelion]

And slavic are hardest from all IE, and IE are hardest from all languages, which makes polish the hardest of all :)

You should do a challenge. A Pole should learn Finnish and a Finn Polish. First to succeed wins. ;)

[Rethel]

It's okay, Rethel, I still love you.

This is what I am affraid of... :picard2:

[Bobby Martnen]

This is what I am affraid of... :picard2:

But why?

[Dandelion]

Oh man, Finnish must be up there too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW5RGOAtVvs

Geez. Judging the translation, that is actually a word and not some made up nonsense. In Dutch for instance 'arbeidsongeschiktheidsverzekering' ('disability insurance') is an actual word, but the ridiculous 'hottentottententententoonstelling' ('exhibition of Hottentot tents') is just theoretical grammar nonsense. We call them 'San' nowadays anyway. :)

[Finnish Swede]

I wonder how the same would be with Polish....

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aM1WXNG_700b_v1.jpg

[Harkonnen]

You should do a challenge. A Pole should learn Finnish and a Finn Polish. First to succeed wins. ;)

It is a fact everything ends in ruins, so why not waste our times on exercises of futility, just to warm our hands a bit on the smoke lingering around the ruins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NujzHVdpQgE

[Lightshade25]

I wonder how the same would be with Polish....

It's fascinating how Finns can somewhat speak (or at least pronounce) Swedish but Swedes can't even pronounce Finnish at all :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPhf_UypI3E&vl=sv


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pN45Dym_cc

[Finnish Swede]

It's fascinating how Finns can somewhat speak (or at least pronouce) Swedish but Swedes can't even pronounce Finnish at all :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPhf_UypI3E&vl=sv


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pN45Dym_cc
Not at all...as all Finns will study Swedish at school but Swedes will not study Finnish (normally).

[Crimean]

celtic ones are also hardest IE languages

You are absolutely right. All sorts of Indio-Aryan, Armenian seem more difficult at first glance, but it's only because of writing.

[Dandelion]

You are absolutely right. All sorts of Indio-Aryan, Armenian seem more difficult at first glance, but it's only because of writing.

Armenian has no grammatical gender, even in their pronouns (but it does have a feminisation suffix). So does Finnish, but Armenian is IE. ;)

[Crimean]

Armenian has no grammatical gender, even in their pronouns (but it does have a feminisation suffix). So does Finnish, but Armenian is IE. ;)

Here is the neighboring Georgian - this is a completely different level of complexity, although it does not IE:).

[Seya]

I wonder how the same would be with Polish....

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aM1WXNG_700b_v1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UvgvCS1.png

[Rethel]

I wonder how the same would be with Polish....

Similarly, but Finland in your picture is misleading,
as she is making a new words, not inflection. It is
not fair - for anglos maybe it can be impressing...

[Óttar]

Polish is only a Level 3 language.

http://aboutworldlanguages.com/language-difficulty

[Rethel]

Armenian has no grammatical gender, even in their pronouns (but it does have a feminisation suffix). So does Finnish, but Armenian is IE. ;)

All IE languages are going down degenerating with time. Some quicker than others.
Polish is among the least degenerated, but we also lost some things, like for example
dual (you can use it, I sometimes do, but it is so archaic, that average dude thinks you
are speaking village). The same with aorist, ablative or past perfect.It can be done, but...

[Rethel]

Polish is only a Level 3 language.

For learning for english speaker.
For slovak it would be level 0.

It is not the case.
If english would have 1000000 pictograms,
it would be at top three hardest to learn.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LEARNING CLASSIFICATION
PER SE, but about internal structure of the language.

[Porn Master]

You are absolutely right. All sorts of Indio-Aryan, Armenian seem more difficult at first glance, but it's only because of writing.



Albanian too, but I think Celtic is hardest

[Finnish Swede]

Similarly, but Finland in your picture is misleading,
as she is making a new words, not inflection. It is
not fair - for anglos maybe it can be impressing...

They are one kinds of inflections of word koira (dog / hund)....as all are ''connected/linked'' to hund.

So learn all the similar forms from every possible substative (and they do not transform always the same ways)....totally correctly, then different forms of verbs and then different forms of objectives....and try to use the right ones in your speech/sentencies....and then you can jump to verb tenses....and/or different pronouns to see how those will influense all the things/rules you just had learned.

[Rethel]

They are one kinds of inflections of word koira (dog / hund)....as all are ''connected/linked'' to hund.

So learn all the similar forms from every possible substative (and they do not transform always the same ways)....totally correctly, then different forms of verbs and then different forms of objectives....and try to use the right ones in your speech/sentencies....and then you can jump to verb tenses....and/or different pronouns to see how those will influense all the things/rules you just had learned.

Ok, I know, but nevertheless aglutinative language is easier than highly
inflected one, as it can be systematicly explained and later glue by a user.
It is not the case in fusional language. For germanic speaker aglutinative
can be imprssing, but not for fusional one. In fusional, you can;t say: if you
want to say this is this number and tense with this subcharcterrictic you
have to add this, this and this (which o9ften has own meaning also). No.
In fusional three different features are verbelized by one letter, and on
they question why, the only answer is: becasue.

As I counted one the endings of the vocative - I counted 20 different and
I stopped. Why there are so many? Just becasue. No grammar rule, you have
to just know, which one to used at this particular word. Just becasue.

For example, if you would want to say something to me in that case, you would
have to use three different forms: one for my name, second for surname, and
third for cognomen. If you would add the some title then also the four different.
Just becasue of the different class of the words.

[Finnish Swede]

Ok, I know, but nevertheless aglutinative language is easier than highly
inflected one, as it can be systematicly explained and later glue by a user.
It is not the case in fusional language. For germanic speaker aglutinative
can be imprssing, but not for fusional one. In fusional, you can;t say: if you
want to say this is this number and tense with this subcharcterrictic you
have to add this, this and this (which o9ften has own meaning also). No.
In fusional three different features are verbelized by one letter, and on
they question why, the only answer is: becasue.

Still use of prepositions (like in Swedish, English, German etc.) are much more easier. Maybe not ''finer''...that's another question. As those prepositions will stay always the same (above, below, in, to etc.). They don't change because of used substantive, verb, objektive or proun. In Finnish...opposite...the endings will change....and in all those 4 parts of sentencies.

[Magnolia]

Everything is relative, Rethel, everything.
No need to mention that too complicated language is contraproductive. It makes even communication between native speakers less straightforward.

[Rethel]

Everything is relative, Rethel, everything.

This is why I am speaking about one aspect.


No need to mention that too complicated language is contraproductive. It makes even communication between native speakers less straightforward.

Why?

[Rethel]

Still use of prepositions (like in Swedish, English, German etc.) are much more easier. Maybe not ''finer''...that's another question. As those prepositions will stay always the same (above, below, in, to etc.). They don't change because of used substantive, verb, objektive or proun. In Finnish...opposite...the endings will change....and in all those 4 parts of sentencies.

In fusional you usualy use the preposition and plus you have to change the ending.
BUT: you do not summerize endigs like in finnish - insted of three you have to know one.
So, it is harder, becasue you use preposition, plus an ending - one distinct insted of three finnish.

Now you get it?

[Magnolia]

Why? Because meaning of your talk can be misunderstood.
All Slavic language are quite complicated, not only because of grammar, but also because of rich vocabulary and the way people tend to express their thoughts.
I know many people who speak "very figuratively" and vaguely (both grammar and vocabulary make it possible; I would even say most people tend to express their thoughts like that), for an effective communication absolutely unusable.
When you have to think of "what exactly he/she wanted to say" the communication sucks.

[Arthur9]

It as easy as a first language and no one plans to learn polish as second.

[Rethel]

When you have to think of "what exactly he/she wanted to say" the communication sucks.

Actually, I have this feeling right now.

[Magnolia]

Actually, I have this feeling right now.

You don't know what does it mean to express thoughts figuratively and vaguely by using the sophisticated version of the language?

[Dandelion]

Why? Because meaning of your talk can be misunderstood.
All Slavic language are quite complicated, not only because of grammar, but also because of rich vocabulary and the way people tend to express their thoughts.
I know many people who speak "very figuratively" and vaguely (both grammar and vocabulary make it possible; I would even say most people tend to express their thoughts like that), for an effective communication absolutely unusable.
When you have to think of "what exactly he/she wanted to say" the communication sucks.

That's also due to the culture, especially true for Czech, as it's the language of the Kafkaesque.

[Rethel]

You don't know what does it mean to express thoughts figuratively and vaguely by using the sophisticated version of the language?

I do not exactly get, what is your point in the
context of the thread - that polish/fusional
language with complex structure is hardest.

About figurativenss - the more degenerated language is,
the more figure constructions he uses. English is the very
well example. Some lower slavic languages too. The more
figurativness, the more words is being lost and the more
grammatical features is gone as well. When I sometimes
compare russian to polish it is also the case.

[Dandelion]

A native Russian speaker once told me that speakers of Slavic languages use a more poetic phrasing in their daily speech compared to speakers of Romance and Germanic languages. Probably it's just due to the looser word order, which can be played with in less fusional languages, but would make you sound pompous if you did when not making poetry.

[Magnolia]

That's also due to the culture, especially true for Czech, as it's the language of the Kafkaesque.

Every language says a lot about the way of thinking of native speakers (their ancestors) for sure. Even time is not understand by everybody the same.

[Magnolia]

I do not exactly get, what is your point in the
context of the thread - that polish/fusional
language with complex structure is hardest.

1. As I said everything is relative; and I really doubt the Polish language is the hardest.
2. Polish language was created by whom? By scholars or by common people?
3. If it is not an artificial language then it says a lot about Polish people and I am not sure if something is too "complicated" it is a positive matter.


About figurativenss - the more degenerated language is,
the more figure constructions he uses. English is the very
well example. Some lower slavic languages too. The more
figurativness, the more words is being lost and the more
grammatical features is gone as well. When I sometimes
compare russian to polish it is also the case.

Nonsense.

[ЛыSSый]

Polish one? Ay, let our little kins stop flatter themselves: his strucrute is much more simple than russian, main polish achievements - hardly fucked latin alphabet and "teethless" sound.

[Podlachian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dd_016Jkl8

[LostSoul]

Hey, this thread is for me pretty interesting.

[Viridian1]

It is really hard, many students in Poland get bad marks...

[Roy]

It is really hard, many students in Poland get bad marks...

But it is not the hardest language in the world, it's a myth.

[Universe]

https://mymodernmet.com/language-map-europe/

[Rethel]

https://mymodernmet.com/language-map-europe/

But it is for english natives.

And the IV* is made too complicate. The only thing which is hard for english
speaker it is different vocabulary, which english speaker has to learn anyway,
so I don't think, it should be harder than for example german, which have a
lot of different vocabulary but more complicated grammar. The same is with
bulgarian, turkish and macedonian - they with IV* should be before german.

[CordedWhelp]

Trying to learn this horror-show of a language, or starting to...

[Viridian1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0aM1V4aoA&ab_channel=%ED%95%98%EC%9D%B4%EC%96%91HAYYANG

[Rethel]

Trying to learn this horror-show of a language, or starting to...

Type: David Snopek. He did it, and he is advising others how to learn.

[Rethel]

Polska to jest bardzo ciekawa kraj!

Polska to też bardzo dziwna kraj.

Polska to jest najdowcipniejsa kraj na swiecie. A jaki kraj, taki ząd.

[Linebacker]

Forgetting that Asian languages exist. Learning to speak them is hard enough. Learning to read or write is almost impossible.

[Dandelion]

DuoLingo has a course on Polish. I urge everyone to try and pass it and make it the language of the EU now the Britons are gone.

[Rethel]

Forgetting that Asian languages exist. Learning to speak them is hard enough. Learning to read or write is almost impossible.

But these are artificial problems. Asian languages are quite easy as languages. If they would be
written normaly, in latin script, then (exept of not similar vocabulary and maybe tones) it would
be piece of cake, as these languages basically have no grammar, even less than english.

[Östsvensk]

From what I hear, Lithuanian and Sanskrit have the hardest grammar rules out of all Indo-European languages.

[Ford]

It's got nothing on !Xóõ.

[Rethel]

From what I hear, Lithuanian and Sanskrit have the hardest grammar rules out of all Indo-European languages.

Maybe comparing to english.

Lithuanian with 12 declinations is after polish with other westslavic.
Polish has 17 declinations and 18 conjugations plus much more developed phonetic system than lithuanian.

Sanscrit it would be fourth league, with Latin, ancient Greek, Islandic and maybe German.

[Östsvensk]

Maybe comparing to english.

Lithuanian with 12 declinations is after polish with other westslavic.
Polish has 17 declinations and 18 conjugations plus much more developed phonetic system than lithuanian.

Sanscrit it would be fourth league, with Latin, ancient Greek, Islandic and maybe German.


https://youtu.be/0lczHvB3Y9s

[Arūnas]

From what I hear, Lithuanian and Sanskrit have the hardest grammar rules out of all Indo-European languages.

taip

[Komintasavalta]

Maybe comparing to english.

Lithuanian with 12 declinations is after polish with other westslavic.
Polish has 17 declinations and 18 conjugations plus much more developed phonetic system than lithuanian.

Sanscrit it would be fourth league, with Latin, ancient Greek, Islandic and maybe German.

Finnish has 51 declension types and 27 conjugation classes (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Finnish_nominal_inflection).

Also Finnish has 15 cases. Out of 261 languages classified for the number of cases at WALS, only 24 have 10 or more cases (https://wals.info/feature/49A#2/26.1/155.4):

https://i.imgur.com/O9NTLLX.jpg

[Rethel]

Finnish has 51 declension types and 27 conjugation classes

But this is aglutinative language - something totaly different.
Actually it even shouldn't be called by fusional terminology.


Also Finnish has 15 cases. Out of 261 languages classified for the number of cases at WALS, only 24 have 10 or more cases

As above. But when aglutinative languages started to being researched they haven't nothing better, so used this what they knew - latin fusional based terminology.

And the map is obviously wrong, as african languages do not have cases, but classes.
The author of the map seems to take every non-chinese-like language like a fusional-like-one :picard1:

[Östsvensk]

Henrik Samuel, or H.S, Nyberg (1889-1974) could write, read and speak on a native level, apart from his mother tongue Swedish, German, English, French and Egyptian Arabic. He could write, read and speak Spanish, Italian, Russian, Polish, Lithuanian and Finnish. He could write and read flawlessly Latin, Greek, Hebrew and Classical Arabic, and could write and read Aramaic, Syriac and Ethiopian; Modern Persian, Middle Persian, Mandaic, Armenian, Georgian, Sanskrit and Turkish. He could also comprehend Kurdish, Balochi, Urdu and Bengali. In total, he knew 28 languages.

[Zhulta]

i think one of the hardest languages to learn would probably native american languages with their insane polysynthetic structure
Is Polish that different or more complex compared to other slavic languages or why would it be considered difficult? Kinda like what german is to english?

[Lucas]

i think one of the hardest languages to learn would probably native american languages with their insane polysynthetic structure
Is Polish that different or more complex compared to other slavic languages or why would it be considered difficult? Kinda like what german is to english?

because of:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U

[Roy]

i think one of the hardest languages to learn would probably native american languages with their insane polysynthetic structure
Is Polish that different or more complex compared to other slavic languages or why would it be considered difficult? Kinda like what german is to english?

Yup. Navajo seems like a hell to learn! But it's very different and intriguingly bizarre too! It does not use adjectives for instance. Polish is complex and irregular but I am not sure whether much tougher than Czech or Slovene is.