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Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 01:16 AM
http://art.thewalters.org/images/art/large/l_ps3_37194037_fnt_dd_ki13.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/845oDih.jpg?1

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/antoine-clement-the-great-hunter-alfred-jacob-miller.jpg

Xacal
03-03-2018, 02:15 AM
Looks Euro, Dinarid

Zroota
03-03-2018, 02:18 AM
Yep, like Dinaro-Med or something. Maybe even Atlantid.

Kouros
03-03-2018, 02:26 AM
Dinaric

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 02:46 AM
Looks Euro, Dinarid

Can you see any Amerindian features? What Native type do you think he is?

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 02:47 AM
Yep, like Dinaro-Med or something. Maybe even Atlantid.

Can you see any Amerindian? Is his Native type Silvid or something?

Xacal
03-03-2018, 02:49 AM
Can you see any Amerindian features? What Native type do you think he is?

No, looks fully Euro to me

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 02:55 AM
No, looks fully Euro to me

Where can he pass in Europe?

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 02:56 AM
Dinaric

Where in Europe can he pass?

Kouros
03-03-2018, 02:57 AM
Where in Europe can he pass?

Looks Bosnian lol

Xacal
03-03-2018, 02:57 AM
Where can he pass in Europe?

France, Italy, Balkans

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 03:07 AM
Looks Bosnian lol

Really doesn't he look more Western shifted than Bosnians?

Kouros
03-03-2018, 03:19 AM
Really don't Bosnians look more Western?

What do you consider this guy? I would just assume he was French if no one told me his ethnicity, would probably pass in France as well.

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 03:26 AM
What do you consider this guy? I would just assume he was French if no one told me his ethnicity, would probably pass in France as well.

My bad. I actually mean to ask "doesn't this guy look more Western than Bosnians?"

Actually he is French Canadian on his father side.

StonyArabia
03-03-2018, 03:26 AM
Are you sure he is half Native?

Kouros
03-03-2018, 03:29 AM
My bad. I actually mean to ask "doesn't this guy look more Western than Bosnians?"

Actually he is French Canadian on his father side.

He could pass in France as well to me

Zanzibar
03-03-2018, 03:29 AM
Are you sure he is half Native?

Yes. It is stated that he is half French Canadian half Cree Native American. His name is Antoine Clement: www.alfredjacobmiller.com/artworks/antoineprincipal-hunter/


Antoine Clement was the caravan’s principal hunter, the son of a French Canadian and Cree Indian and a spirited young man probably about Miller’s age. Stewart first met him at the 1833 rendezvous and they had been friends and traveling companions ever since. Stewart later wrote two novels, Altowan, or Incidents of Life and Adventure in the Rocky Mountains (1846) and Edward Warren (1854), about his western adventures and included the following among a number of passages extolling Antoine’s exotic charm:

The figure which stood before us, was that of a youth under twenty, a half-breed, with light brown hair worn long, and the almond shaped hazel eyes of his mother’s race—the fine formed limbs and small hands, with a slightly olive tinge of skin. His dress was almost Indian, consisting of a leather shirt and leggings, coming a little above the knee, almost to meet it, and tied up to the waist belt by a small strip of leather, on the outside of each thigh. The skirt of the shirt, though full, did not reach far down, thus forming a short Scotch kilt and coat all in one, which may probably be the original shape of that species of attire”(Stewart, 1986, 226; Benemann, 2012, 85 – 91).

Carlito's Way
03-03-2018, 03:35 AM
paintings are not really representative because we all know euros would white wash the people and turn them into more euro looking than they really were

Heather Duval
03-03-2018, 03:41 AM
paintings are not really representative because we all know euros would white wash the people and turn them into more euro looking than they really were

yeah
he was prob not that euro looking
they used to white wash old paintings even with half black half white people

NSXD60
03-03-2018, 04:59 AM
His dad probably said to the painter, "Here, take this picture of Lord Byron as your guide".

Odin
03-03-2018, 07:56 PM
Atlantid. Pass in France mainly.