Lebanese Shia Gedmatch results

[Haider]

He's a Lebanese Shia originally from a small village in Jabal Amel region of Southern Lebanon, close to the border with Palestine. Interestingly, he seems to have both higher European (including West Med) and Caucasian/Mesopotamian than average, a trend that due to historical reasons I thought would only be common among Sunnis.

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.56
2 West_Asian 23.66
3 Red_Sea 11.53
4 West_Med 10.01
5 Atlantic 5.31
6 South_Asian 2.72
7 Northeast_African 2.6
8 North_Sea 2.11
9 Eastern_Euro 1.54
10 Baltic 1.2
11 Amerindian 0.43
12 Sub-Saharan 0.27
13 Siberian 0.04
14 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 2.37
2 Syrian 4.27
3 Kurdish_Jewish 7.78
4 Iranian_Jewish 8.07
5 Cyprian 8.15
6 Assyrian 8.46
7 Lebanese_Christian 8.91
8 Samaritan 9.35
9 Jordanian 9.82
10 Palestinian 10.95
11 Lebanese_Druze 11.23
12 Georgian_Jewish 11.46
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.47
14 Turkish 12.77
15 Sephardic_Jewish 13.92
16 Armenian 14.06
17 Libyan_Jewish 14.13
18 Bedouin 14.31
19 Azeri 15.01
20 Italian_Jewish 15.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 1.96
2 96% Lebanese_Muslim + 4% Georgian @ 1.97
3 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Ossetian @ 1.98
4 90% Lebanese_Muslim + 10% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.01
5 93% Lebanese_Muslim + 7% Iranian @ 2.03
6 96.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.6% Adygei @ 2.03
7 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Chechen @ 2.05
8 96.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.4% Balkar @ 2.05
9 96.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.1% Balochi @ 2.05
10 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Brahui @ 2.06
11 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.06
12 97.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.4% Kalash @ 2.06
13 93% Lebanese_Muslim + 7% Kurdish @ 2.06
14 96.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.3% Kabardin @ 2.07
15 92.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.6% Armenian @ 2.07
16 96.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.8% Kumyk @ 2.08
17 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Lezgin @ 2.09
18 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.09
19 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.09
20 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Makrani @ 2.09

[Sikeliot]

Higher Atlantic + North Sea than average is the Norman ancestry.

Do you have their gedmatch ID? I want to run them through a few calculators. If you could message it to me I'd appreciate that.

[Scar]

Lebanese seem to be the quintessential ''East-Med'' population.

[Aren]

Distance of 8,4 to Assyrians is not that big tbh. Must be due to heavy mixing with Syrians and Iraqis.

[Scar]

Impressive is how there's no European population in their top 20 results despite the supposed ''Norman'' shift.

[Haider]

Dodecad World9


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 42.58
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 37.8
3 Atlantic_Baltic 14.34
4 South_Asian 2.66
5 African 2.16
6 Amerindian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 5.07
2 Syrians (Behar) 5.57
3 Druze (HGDP) 5.68
4 Cypriots (Behar) 6.87
5 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 8.01
6 Jordanians (Behar) 11.14
7 Palestinian (HGDP) 11.55
8 Uzbekistan_Jews 11.57
9 Assyrian (Dodecad) 11.75
10 Azerbaijan_Jews 12.29
11 Armenian (Dodecad) 12.48
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 12.59
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.71
14 Armenians (Behar) 13.29
15 Armenians (Yunusbayev) 13.42
16 Turks (Behar) 13.78
17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 14.5
18 Samaritians (Behar) 15.8
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.28
20 Iranians (Behar) 17.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 45% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.05
2 59.2% Azerbaijan_Jews + 40.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.3
3 88.9% Druze (HGDP) + 11.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.33
4 92.9% Druze (HGDP) + 7.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.38
5 53% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 47% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.38
6 56.2% Syrians (Behar) + 43.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.39
7 93.1% Druze (HGDP) + 6.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.4
8 93.1% Druze (HGDP) + 6.9% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.43
9 93.2% Druze (HGDP) + 6.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.45
10 93.7% Druze (HGDP) + 6.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.47
11 93.8% Druze (HGDP) + 6.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.47
12 60.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 39.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.48
13 93.8% Druze (HGDP) + 6.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.49
14 92.8% Druze (HGDP) + 7.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.49
15 93.3% Druze (HGDP) + 6.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.5
16 93.8% Druze (HGDP) + 6.2% Lithuanians @ 2.5
17 93.2% Druze (HGDP) + 6.8% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.53
18 93.5% Druze (HGDP) + 6.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.56
19 93.1% Druze (HGDP) + 6.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.57
20 79.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 20.5% Canarias (1000 Genomes) @ 2.58

[Bobby Martnen]

Impressive is how there's no European population in their top 20 results despite the supposed ''Norman'' shift.

Because most Europeans don't want to breed with Muslims.

[wvwvw]

Impressive is how there's no European population in their top 20 results despite the supposed ''Norman'' shift.

I like it how their Atlantic and North Sea is the first thing Sikeliot noted, while in the case of S.Italians he always ignores these components and always concentrates on their minor ”red sea”

[Sikeliot]

I like it how their Atlantic and North Sea is the first thing Sikeliot noted, while in the case of S.Italians he always ignores these components and always concentrates on their minor ”red sea”

I notice what is out of character. For a Lebanese, the North/West European is out of character, for a Sicilian it is higher than average East Med (I usually only point out if it is 7%+ since that is high for any European population).

Why point out on what is typical, when what is different is more interesting and noteworthy?

[Sikeliot]

Impressive is how there's no European population in their top 20 results despite the supposed ''Norman'' shift.

That is why I want their GEdmatch ID. In some calculators I am sure you could get Malta, Ashkenazim, or Sicily in there.

[Bobby Martnen]

That is why I want their GEdmatch ID. In some calculators I am sure you could get Malta, Ashkenazim, or Sicily in there.

Oy vey! :jew:

[Sikeliot]

I want to see their result on PuntDNA-L K13.

[Scar]

That is why I want their GEdmatch ID. In some calculators I am sure you could get Malta, Ashkenazim, or Sicily in there.

Anyway he seems to be closer to Uzbek Jews and even Iranians than to any Europeans.

[wvwvw]

I notice what is out of character. For a Lebanese, the North/West European is out of character, for a Sicilian it is higher than average East Med (I usually only point out if it is 7%+ since that is high for any European population).

Why point out on what is typical, when what is different is more interesting and noteworthy?

The East Med is not out of character, it is a common component in Greeks and Albanians and in fact in Balkan populations.

[Sikeliot]

Anyway he seems to be closer to Uzbek Jews and even Iranians than to any Europeans.

Well yes but if the question is, is this person closer to Europeans than people who have no European ancestry whatsoever, most likely yes.

[Sikeliot]

The East Med is not out of character, it is a common component in Greeks and Albanians and in fact in Balkan populations.

Jesus christ do you even read? I am talking about the RED SEA component, which is low in all Europeans.

[Bobby Martnen]

Jesus christ do you even read? I am talking about the RED SEA component, which is low in all Europeans.

What does the Red Sea component even represent? Persians?

[Sikeliot]

What does the Red Sea component even represent? Persians?

Something SW Asian.

[Aren]

I notice what is out of character. For a Lebanese, the North/West European is out of character, for a Sicilian it is higher than average East Med (I usually only point out if it is 7%+ since that is high for any European population).

Why point out on what is typical, when what is different is more interesting and noteworthy?

Atlantic is mostly a neolithic component.

[Scar]

Well yes but if the question is, is this person closer to Europeans than people who have no European ancestry whatsoever, most likely yes.

Sure. Genetics is transitional, Levantines (Turks and coastal NAs too) belong to a transitional area, so they will be similar to some Europeans from borderline regions.

[Scar]

What does the Red Sea component even represent? Persians?

Arabian Gulf and some Ethiopian-like DNA, most likely.

[Bobby Martnen]

Arabian Gulf and some Ethiopian, most likely.

Interesting how even North Euros seem to have some.

[Haider]

I want to see their result on PuntDNA-L K13.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 34.27
2 Anatolian_NF 33.15
3 Near_East 20.24
4 European_HG 4.36
5 South_Asian 4.16
6 Sub-Saharan 2.9
7 Amerindian 0.92

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.36
2 Lebanese 6.63
3 Syrian 6.93
4 Druze 7.49
5 Palestinian 8.35
6 Iraqi_Jew 8.81
7 Iranian_Jew 8.9
8 Cypriot 9.52
9 Jordanian 9.91
10 Turkish_Kayseri 11.46
11 Georgian_Jew 11.94
12 Turkish 12.28
13 Armenian 13.37
14 Kurdish 13.63
15 BedouinA 14.34
16 Iranian 14.81
17 Turkish_Trabzon 14.96
18 Laz 15.08
19 Turkish_Aydin 16.4
20 Sicilian_East 16.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Assyrian + 14.9% Algerian @ 1.96
2 85.7% Assyrian + 14.3% Tunisian @ 2.11
3 87% Assyrian + 13% Saharawi @ 2.2
4 51.2% Assyrian + 48.8% Lebanese @ 2.27
5 68% Lebanese + 32% Armenian @ 2.35
6 86.6% Assyrian + 13.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.37
7 70.7% Lebanese + 29.3% Laz @ 2.43
8 68.6% Lebanese + 31.4% Kurdish @ 2.53
9 53.2% Iranian + 46.8% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.56
10 58.3% Lebanese + 41.7% Iranian_Jew @ 2.58
11 53.8% Iranian + 46.2% Libyan_Jew @ 2.6
12 80.6% Lebanese + 19.4% Georgian @ 2.67
13 70.9% Lebanese + 29.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.7
14 70.7% Lebanese + 29.3% Iranian @ 2.72
15 58.4% Jordanian + 41.6% Kurdish @ 2.72
16 82.4% Lebanese + 17.6% Abkhasian @ 2.78
17 62.9% Palestinian + 37.1% Kurdish @ 2.88
18 66% Lebanese + 34% Georgian_Jew @ 2.89
19 76.4% Assyrian + 23.6% Egyptian @ 2.94
20 68% Syrian + 32% Kurdish @ 2.95

[Sikeliot]

Sure. Genetics is transitional, Levantines (Turks and coastal NAs too) belong to a transitional area, so they will be similar to some Europeans from borderline regions.

I think in some calculators you could get Sicilian/Maltese/Ashkenazim in this person's top 20. But it depends on if there are a lot of populations with smaller distances crowding out the top 20 which is the case above.

[Sikeliot]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 34.27
2 Anatolian_NF 33.15
3 Near_East 20.24
4 European_HG 4.36
5 South_Asian 4.16
6 Sub-Saharan 2.9
7 Amerindian 0.92

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.36
2 Lebanese 6.63
3 Syrian 6.93
4 Druze 7.49
5 Palestinian 8.35
6 Iraqi_Jew 8.81
7 Iranian_Jew 8.9
8 Cypriot 9.52
9 Jordanian 9.91
10 Turkish_Kayseri 11.46
11 Georgian_Jew 11.94
12 Turkish 12.28
13 Armenian 13.37
14 Kurdish 13.63
15 BedouinA 14.34
16 Iranian 14.81
17 Turkish_Trabzon 14.96
18 Laz 15.08
19 Turkish_Aydin 16.4
20 Sicilian_East 16.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Assyrian + 14.9% Algerian @ 1.96
2 85.7% Assyrian + 14.3% Tunisian @ 2.11
3 87% Assyrian + 13% Saharawi @ 2.2
4 51.2% Assyrian + 48.8% Lebanese @ 2.27
5 68% Lebanese + 32% Armenian @ 2.35
6 86.6% Assyrian + 13.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.37
7 70.7% Lebanese + 29.3% Laz @ 2.43
8 68.6% Lebanese + 31.4% Kurdish @ 2.53
9 53.2% Iranian + 46.8% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.56
10 58.3% Lebanese + 41.7% Iranian_Jew @ 2.58
11 53.8% Iranian + 46.2% Libyan_Jew @ 2.6
12 80.6% Lebanese + 19.4% Georgian @ 2.67
13 70.9% Lebanese + 29.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.7
14 70.7% Lebanese + 29.3% Iranian @ 2.72
15 58.4% Jordanian + 41.6% Kurdish @ 2.72
16 82.4% Lebanese + 17.6% Abkhasian @ 2.78
17 62.9% Palestinian + 37.1% Kurdish @ 2.88
18 66% Lebanese + 34% Georgian_Jew @ 2.89
19 76.4% Assyrian + 23.6% Egyptian @ 2.94
20 68% Syrian + 32% Kurdish @ 2.95


There we go. See, it is possible!

[Scar]

There we go. See, it is possible!

A population in the 20th place hardly is very similar. Iberians get West Germans and Dutch in their top 20s and everyone knows they aren't similar at all.

[Sikeliot]

A population in the 20th place hardly is very similar. Iberians get West Germans and Dutch in their top 20s and everyone knows they aren't similar at all.

16 is not a huge distance. But the question was could this person score a "European" population in their top 20 and the answer is yes.

Try Eurasia K9 ASI as well as Near East Neolithic K13.

[MysteriousWays]

GEDMatch Highest Percentages (Top 5 to Top 10) for different components:

East Med:
Yemeni Jewish: 54.16
Lebanese Druze: 50.08
Lebanese Christian: 47.37
Samaritan: 45.51
Palestinian: 44.69
Kurdish Jewish: 44.14
Saudi: 44.04
Iranian Jewish: 43.16
Jordanian: 41.40
Cyprian: 40.16


Lebanese Muslim just misses top 10 with average of 39.85

Other interesting ones:
Syrian: 38.31
Armenian: 35.14
Kurdish: 32.41
Turkish: 28.81
West Sicilian: 26.75
Greek: 23.47
Sardinian: 17.48
Serbian: 12.18

West Asian:
Abkhazian: 57.83
Georgian: 53.84
North Ossetian: 51.03
Ossetian: 50.53
Adygei: 48.75

Other Interesting Ones:
Armenian: 37.25
Kurdish: 34.9
Iranian: 33.88
Afghan (Pashtun): 32.65
Turkish: 28.55
Punjabi (Jaat): 24.66
Lebanese Muslim: 22.26
Palestinian: 14.38

Red Sea:
Saudi: 34.07
Yemenite Jewish: 27.46
Ethiopian (Tigray): 24.26
Ethiopian (Amhara): 24.18
Somali: 22.22
Bedouin: 21.03
Egyptian: 18.38
Ethiopian (Oromo): 18.22
Moroccan: 17.47
Ethiopian (Wolayta): 16.73

[Haider]

MDLP World

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 32.33
2 Caucaus_Parsia 29.94
3 South_and_West_European 28.02
4 Indian 3
5 North_and_East_European 2.97
6 Sub_Saharian 2.14
7 East_Asian 0.89
8 Mesoamerican 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Syria 5.43
2 Lebanese 5.52
3 Druze 6.76
4 Syrian 8.45
5 Cypriot 9.11
6 Jew_Georgia 9.85
7 Iraqi 11.45
8 Jew-Iraqi 12.58
9 Jew_Azerbaijan 12.9
10 Turk 12.9
11 Jew_Tunisia 12.99
12 Jew_Iraqi 13.35
13 Jew-Uzbekistan 13.63
14 Jew_Algeria 13.84
15 Jew_Tat 14.19
16 Jew_Libya 14.58
17 Jordanian 14.72
18 Greek_Cretan 14.89
19 Sephardim 14.95
20 Armenian 15.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% Jew_Syria + 11.7% Makrani @ 1.35
2 89.1% Jew_Syria + 10.9% Balochi @ 1.52
3 57.1% Jew_Libya + 42.9% Kurd @ 1.68
4 89% Jew_Syria + 11% Brahui @ 1.7
5 90.4% Jew_Syria + 9.6% Sindhi @ 1.72
6 85.8% Jew_Syria + 14.2% Parsi @ 1.77
7 90.3% Jew_Syria + 9.7% Burusho @ 1.84
8 89.7% Jew_Syria + 10.3% Pathan @ 1.88
9 60% Jew_Tunisia + 40% Kurd @ 1.94
10 64.3% Syrian + 35.7% Greek_Cretan @ 2.05
11 50.4% Jew-Uzbekistan + 49.6% Jew_Algeria @ 2.1
12 88.9% Jew_Syria + 11.1% Pashtun @ 2.12
13 56% Sephardim + 44% Iranian @ 2.13
14 87.7% Lebanese + 12.3% Romania @ 2.15
15 88.3% Lebanese + 11.7% Kosovar @ 2.17
16 91.2% Jew_Syria + 8.8% Kalash @ 2.18
17 82.3% Iraqi + 17.7% Sardinian @ 2.2
18 79.1% Jew_Syria + 20.9% Iranian @ 2.22
19 59.5% Jew_Tunisia + 40.5% Iranian @ 2.28
20 83.1% Lebanese + 16.9% Greek_South @ 2.3

[Sikeliot]

Try Eurasia K9 ASI.

[Haider]

Try Eurasia K9 ASI.

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 29.17
2 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.64
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.28
4 WHG 8.64
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.37
6 W_African 3.14
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.27
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 5.88
2 Druze 6.83
3 Syrian 7.18
4 Cypriot 8.15
5 Jordanian 8.64
6 Georgian_Jew 8.78
7 Iraqi_Jew 9.35
8 Armenian 9.55
9 Turkish 10.22
10 Iranian_Jew 10.36
11 Azeri 13.24
12 Kurd_N 13.72
13 Iranian 15.59
14 Georgian 15.85
15 Maltese 17.45
16 Abkhasian 17.62
17 Kumyk 17.89
18 Sicilian 18.07
19 Adygei 18.09
20 BedouinA 18.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Lebanese + 21.9% Chechen @ 1.73
2 76.1% Lebanese + 23.9% Kumyk @ 1.83
3 76.3% Lebanese + 23.7% Adygei @ 1.84
4 80.3% Lebanese + 19.7% Lezgin @ 1.99
5 86.2% Lebanese + 13.8% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.42
6 78.1% Lebanese + 21.9% Azeri_Dagestan @ 2.46
7 68.7% Jordanian + 31.3% Adygei @ 2.9
8 88.7% Druze + 11.3% Scythian_IA @ 3.08
9 68.6% Jordanian + 31.4% Kumyk @ 3.15
10 87.3% Lebanese + 12.7% Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.17
11 66.4% Lebanese + 33.6% Turkish @ 3.23
12 71.3% Jordanian + 28.7% Chechen @ 3.31
13 90.5% Druze + 9.5% RISE_baMezh @ 3.32
14 90.1% Druze + 9.9% Srubnaya @ 3.38
15 89.6% Druze + 10.4% Russian @ 3.43
16 87.7% Druze + 12.3% Tatars @ 3.44
17 90% Lebanese + 10% Kalash @ 3.44
18 90.5% Druze + 9.5% RISE_baAndrov @ 3.44
19 90.5% Druze + 9.5% RISE_baSin @ 3.47
20 89.5% Lebanese + 10.5% Pathan @ 3.5

[wvwvw]

A population in the 20th place hardly is very similar. Iberians get West Germans and Dutch in their top 20s and everyone knows they aren't similar at all.

After Chechen and Mbtid now you are Kurdish and ”Orthodox”. Are you trying to make a mockery of Orthodox and possibly Greeks since Kurds are Muslims? At least switch it to Latin or Catholic or Sicilian Kurd. :eek:

[Sikeliot]

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 29.17
2 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.64
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.28
4 WHG 8.64
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.37
6 W_African 3.14
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.27
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 5.88
2 Druze 6.83
3 Syrian 7.18
4 Cypriot 8.15
5 Jordanian 8.64
6 Georgian_Jew 8.78
7 Iraqi_Jew 9.35
8 Armenian 9.55
9 Turkish 10.22
10 Iranian_Jew 10.36
11 Azeri 13.24
12 Kurd_N 13.72
13 Iranian 15.59
14 Georgian 15.85
15 Maltese 17.45
16 Abkhasian 17.62
17 Kumyk 17.89
18 Sicilian 18.07
19 Adygei 18.09
20 BedouinA 18.92



On these calculators, European populations do begin appearing.

[Scar]

After Chechen and Mbtid now you are Kurdish and ”Orthodox”. Are you trying to make a mockery of Orthodox and possibly Greeks since Kurds are Muslims? At least switch it to Latin or Catholic or Sicilian Kurd. :eek:

Calm down, Raine. I'm not trying to swarthify Greeks. There are many Orthodox ethnicities in the world, don't you know?

[Bobby Martnen]

A population in the 20th place hardly is very similar. Iberians get West Germans and Dutch in their top 20s and everyone knows they aren't similar at all.

Someone needs to tell that idiot Teutone this.

[Sikeliot]

Try Eurasia K9 ASI.

[MercifulServant]

Interesting results, run the kit through Dodecad K12b if you havent yet.

[Hadouken]

There we go. See, it is possible!

:D