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Congolese Rice
03-04-2018, 05:05 PM
Because i am trying to figure out my MENA origins but so far to no avail, i looked on AncestryDNA to see which countries they marked for "Middle Eastern" and they said Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Yemen, etc. And i also tend to score alot of Palestinian, BedouinA, Lebanese, Maghrebi, and Kurdish etc. I find it odd because i don't know how prevelant it is in Aruba and Curacao for people to also have additional Arab admixture, because so far my mom's family is either almost half Arab, half African, 4% native american, and a bit of european, or they are a quarter Arab and my dad's family is also quarter Arab, but what i do know is that it's definitely in my results, i'll let you check it out.


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And here for a couple of tests:



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gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877
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gedrosia K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 31.09
2 SUB_SAHARAN 24.30
3 EHG 12.39
4 SHG_WHG 11.97
5 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 8.19
6 NATUFIAN 6.47
7 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 3.15
8 SE_ASIAN 1.00


Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 28.404003
2 Romanian @ 28.553677
3 Hungarian @ 29.142017
4 Croatian @ 29.451649
5 French @ 29.642355
6 Scottish @ 30.504457
7 Albanian @ 30.564022
8 Ukrainian @ 30.634628
9 English @ 30.689178
10 Greek @ 30.881067
11 Czech @ 31.105471
12 Russian @ 31.325272
13 Sicilian @ 31.522228
14 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 31.905558
15 Finnish @ 32.327770
16 Norwegian @ 32.563938
17 Icelandic @ 32.610249
18 Italian_South @ 33.295334
19 Europe_LNBA @ 33.329239
20 Turkish_Istanbul @ 33.453209

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Masai @ 15.869416


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Gambian +25% Jew_Moroccan @ 3.325448


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Estonian + Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan @ 3.325448
2 Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian @ 3.472956
3 Estonian + Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Libyan @ 3.512928
4 Gambian + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian + Russian @ 3.516352
5 Europe_LNBA + Gambian + Jew_Ashkenazi + Lithuanian @ 3.518033
6 Esan + Estonian + Estonian + Jew_Moroccan @ 3.547977
7 Estonian + Estonian + Jew_Moroccan + Yoruba @ 3.547977
8 Estonian + Gambian + Icelandic + Jew_Moroccan @ 3.571946
9 Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Libyan + Lithuanian @ 3.581471
10 Finnish + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian @ 3.588955
11 Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan + Russian @ 3.607378
12 Estonian + Finnish + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan @ 3.634171
13 Esan + Estonian + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian @ 3.665572
14 Estonian + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian + Yoruba @ 3.665572
15 Estonian + Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Tunisian @ 3.667043
16 Esan + Estonian + Estonian + Jew_Libyan @ 3.667528
17 Estonian + Estonian + Jew_Libyan + Yoruba @ 3.667528
18 Estonian + Gambian + Jew_Moroccan + Norwegian @ 3.668685
19 Gambian + Icelandic + Jew_Moroccan + Lithuanian @ 3.672169
20 Esan + Estonian + Icelandic + Jew_Moroccan @ 3.703359
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Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 29.44
2 W_African 23.71
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 12.75
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.04
5 SW_Asian 10.94
6 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.91
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.37


Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 28.551857
2 Hungarian @ 28.883076
3 Bulgarian @ 28.918781
4 Tatars @ 29.170622
5 French @ 29.638973
6 Spanish @ 30.036901
7 Scottish @ 30.094067
8 Ukrainian @ 30.585007
9 English @ 30.746456
10 Czech @ 30.797022
11 RISE_baBb @ 31.255447
12 Albanian @ 31.352463
13 Norwegian @ 31.617016
14 Greek @ 32.370045
15 Tuscan @ 32.396545
16 Russian @ 32.499977
17 Icelandic @ 32.956333
18 French_South @ 33.075897
19 Belarusian @ 33.182449
20 Maltese @ 33.602562

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Masai @ 13.999241


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Lebanese +25% Yoruba @ 3.563088


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.769839
2 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
3 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
4 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.932170
5 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
6 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
7 Esan + Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.105168
8 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
9 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
10 Esan + Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.138795
11 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
12 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
13 Armenian + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.198879
14 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879
15 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879
16 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne @ 3.215611
17 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne + Yoruba @ 3.215611
18 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baUne + Yoruba @ 3.215611
19 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.296652
20 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.296652

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Personally i would guess that it's Lebanese because the Lebanese diaspora also extends into the Caribbeans, specifically also the Dutch Antilles. But then again it would also make sense why i don't ONLY score Arab, but i also score a few percentages Southern European, East African, North African, and West asian/Arab ofcourse.


What would you guess where most of the Arabs in the Dutch antilles came from? Because i can't find anything on the internet and it's insanely hard to trace.