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Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 06:57 PM
http://i64.tinypic.com/2eewps8.png
P.S. My old ancestor from maternal side lived in Turkey, and that's probably the reason of 16% Middle Eastern!
Ancient origins:
42% Hunter-Gatherer , 45% Farmer , 13% Metal Age Invader , 0% Non-European
http://i65.tinypic.com/2q1gdjt.png
Congrats Vlatko :)
What is your regional breakdown ?
what are you doing in Bosnia? Welcome to R1ethelistan!
ЛыSSый
03-04-2018, 07:05 PM
summon poles in the thread
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:07 PM
what are you doing in Bosnia? Welcome to R1ethelistan!
Proto-Slavic results xD Triangle Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. :D
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:08 PM
what are you doing in Bosnia? Welcome to R1ethelistan!
Still, i think i am I2 by Y-DNA.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:08 PM
summon poles in the thread
I would have more Polish results than Rethel lol xD
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:10 PM
Congrats Vlatko :)
What is your regional breakdown ?
East Europe 68% Southeast 12%.
Middle East - Asia Minor 16%.
Congrats! There is a separate section though. Ask to move it there.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?228-Family-Tree-DNA
East Europe 68% Southeast 12%.
Middle East - Asia Minor 16%.
And the traces?
East Europe 68% Southeast 12%.
Middle East - Asia Minor 16%.
Slavic as f**k Vlatko, that's really really high east European :thumb001:
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:13 PM
Congrats! There is a separate section though. Ask to move it there.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?228-Family-Tree-DNA
Don't worry, they will.
Thanks :D
I would have more Polish results than Rethel lol xD
Rethel will never share his autosomal results. In fact, I think he will now show up calling me racist, Soviet, confused, etc. for saying this.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:16 PM
And the traces?
Ashkenazi <2%
Iberia <2%
Ashkenazi <2%
Iberia <2%
Lel. Not very accurate. But maybe that's just some Southern European blood.
By the way, do you have light or dark eyes?
Rethel
03-04-2018, 07:19 PM
http://i64.tinypic.com/2eewps8.png
P.S. My old ancestor from maternal side lived in Turkey, and that's probably the reason of 16% Middle Eastern!
Ancient origins:
42% Hunter-Gatherer , 45% Farmer , 13% Metal Age Invader , 0% Non-European
http://i65.tinypic.com/2q1gdjt.png
All of this you would know without the test.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 07:20 PM
Rethel will never share his autosomal results.
How can I show if I never made the test?
I have the same as average in my region - no need for the test to know this.
In fact, I think he will now show up calling me racist, Soviet, confused, etc. for saying this.
Surely you do not understand what you are saying - as often, fortunatly not always.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:22 PM
All of this you would know without the test.
That i am autosomally Polish xD ? No haha.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 07:23 PM
what are you doing in Bosnia? Welcome to R1ethelistan!
Rethelistan does not welcome people of unknown provenance.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:23 PM
Lel. Not very accurate. But maybe that's just some Southern European blood.
By the way, do you have light or dark eyes?
Light eyes. Green/Blue borderline.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 07:25 PM
That i am autosomally Polish xD ? No haha.
This big red spot means only "european".
Second option is ME. Lack of any other subregion, so...
Btw, Ashkenazis have also a big spot on central europe, and what?
This big red spot means only "european".
Second option is ME. Lack of any other subregion, so...
Btw, Ashkenazis have also a big spot on central europe, and what?
His main subregion is eastern Europe, and much higher than average southern Slav :)
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:28 PM
This big red spot means only "european".
Second option is ME. Lack of any other subregion, so...
Btw, Ashkenazis have also a big spot on central europe, and what?
Results are compared with the ethnic Poles, not with the Ashkenazis.
Ashkenazi <2%
Iberia <2%
Lel. Not very accurate. But maybe that's just some Southern European blood.
By the way, do you have light or dark eyes?
why not ?
Sephardic Jews settled in Bosnia, and they came from Iberian peninsula there.
Mingle
03-04-2018, 07:31 PM
How can I show if I never made the test?
If you never took the test, then how do you know you are R1a?
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:32 PM
why not ?
Sephardic Jews settled in Bosnia, and they came from Iberian peninsula there.
Everything is possible... but this is not significant anyways.
The Asia Minor moniker is ridiculous. It's an ancient Greco-Roman name for Anatolia. There was a half Iranian guy here and he is like 40+% Asia Minor, although Iran is not Turkey.
If you never took the test, then how do you know you are R1a?
He might have bought a Y-DNA test at FTDNA.
why not ?
Sephardic Jews settled in Bosnia, and they came from Iberian peninsula there.
I know about that from this serial: Мирис кише на Балкану
https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%88% D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B0% D0%BD%D1%83_(%D0%A2%D0%92_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8 %D1%98%D0%B0)
I watched it online on RTS :D
Прича прати судбину једне сефардске породице Јевреја из Сарајева у турбулентним временима од 1914. до 1945. године, од почетка Првог до краја Другог светског рата [5]
is there a way to find his haplogroup ? When get raw data, try this site : https://ytree.morleydna.com/
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:39 PM
Rethelistan does not welcome people of unknown provenance.
Do you accept I-men?
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 07:40 PM
Congrats. You do seem to score more East Euro than the average south Slav and a lower amount of SE Euro
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:40 PM
is there a way to find his haplogroup ? When get raw data, try this site : https://ytree.morleydna.com/
I wish that the autosomal tests would just include Y-DNA and mtdna.
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:41 PM
Light eyes. Green/Blue borderline.
Vlatko why do you cover up your name in your screenshot even though you use it as your screen name? Or is Vlatko Vukovic not your real name?
(Bobby Martnen is my real name)
Karol Klačansky
03-04-2018, 07:42 PM
Can you share some gedmatch results? Eurogenes k13, k15, and dodecad v3 fr example
Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk
I wish that the autosomal tests would just include Y-DNA and mtdna.
It should work to show him basic Y dna I think. Stears used ancestryDNA test which don't include hg and this site showed him I1 (which was leater proved true by real Y test)
Vlatko why do you cover up your name in your screenshot even though you use it as your screen name? Or is Vlatko Vukovic not your real name?
(Bobby Martnen is my real name)
LOL. Ignorance in history revealed.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:43 PM
Post your gedmatch.
Leto will do it.
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:45 PM
LOL. Ignorance in history revealed.
?
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:45 PM
Vlatko why do you cover up your name in your screenshot even though you use it as your screen name? Or is Vlatko Vukovic not your real name?
(Bobby Martnen is my real name)
My name is not Vlatko Vukovic.
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 07:46 PM
Vlatko why do you cover up your name in your screenshot even though you use it as your screen name? Or is Vlatko Vukovic not your real name?
(Bobby Martnen is my real name)
Vlatko Vukovic was a Bosnian nobleman
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:48 PM
It should work to show him basic Y dna I think. Stears used ancestryDNA test which don't include hg and this site showed him I1 (which was leater proved true by real Y test)
It's off for me - My father and I have both taken real Y-DNA tests that prove the I1.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73114&d=1520196518
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:50 PM
This big red spot means only "european".
Second option is ME. Lack of any other subregion, so...
Btw, Ashkenazis have also a big spot on central europe, and what?
Eastern Europe 68%.
Leto will do it.
Which file did you upload? 36 or 37? It still says the following:
(950) ERROR: Post-upload tokenization is not complete for T080057. This usually takes less than 20 minutes.
I suggest you delete the data and then reupload it again. You need to choose this one:
https://www.gedmatch.com/gedwiki/images/f/f5/ConcatenatedFTDNAdownload.gif
It's off for me - My father and I have both taken real Y-DNA tests that prove the I1.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73114&d=1520196518
LOL
did you use FTDNA data ?
That's why I always sugest to people to buy Ancestry kit, same money and you can upload to wegene too that gives both Y and mt for free (but it doesn't accept family tree finder)...
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 07:51 PM
Which file did you upload? 36 or 37? It still says the following:
I suggest you delete the data and then reupload it again. You need to choose this one:
https://www.gedmatch.com/gedwiki/images/f/f5/ConcatenatedFTDNAdownload.gif
37, my bad!
My name is not Vlatko Vukovic.
Lol, I thought it was your name too.
37, my bad!
Then it's clear why it won't work. Do as they say and then send me the number please.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 07:55 PM
His main subregion is eastern Europe, and much higher than average southern Slav :)
And what? Just a coincidence.
There were many people cuptured by Turks and
migrants, maybe in his village is a bit more of them.
Results are compared with the ethnic Poles, not with the Ashkenazis.
Just an example.
If you never took the test, then how do you know you are R1a?
I was talking about au.
He might have bought a Y-DNA test at FTDNA.
Firstly, like żyrnyj Wowa, I made it in the local country.
Then noone ever even heard about FT or imagine testing in the US.
I am probably the oldest tested here, followed by Robocop.
Do you accept I-men?
Of course. Why not?
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 07:57 PM
LOL
did you use FTDNA data ?
That's why I always sugest to people to buy Ancestry kit, same money and you can upload to wegene too that gives both Y and mt for free (but it doesn't accept family tree finder)...
AncestryDNA data...I didn't realize I could get mtDNA from wegene...I'll do that right now
Thanks Stearsolina!
Vlatko's Eurogenes results. A pretty high Baltic score, awesome:thumb001: I'm 45.8% for example
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.38
2 North_Atlantic 24.45
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 11.97
5 West_Asian 8.24
6 Red_Sea 2.1
7 Siberian 1.61
8 Amerindian 0.89
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.03
2 Croatian 3.84
3 Hungarian 8.25
4 Serbian 8.35
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.19
6 Ukrainian 10.35
7 South_Polish 10.49
8 Romanian 11.41
9 Austrian 12.7
10 East_German 12.82
11 Bulgarian 13.11
12 Southwest_Russian 13.47
13 Polish 13.63
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.9
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.36
16 Estonian_Polish 15.77
17 Belorussian 16.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.46
19 Erzya 18.86
20 Tatar 19.45
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% Ukrainian + 26.2% Central_Greek @ 1.78
2 68.1% Ukrainian + 31.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.83
3 74.6% Ukrainian + 25.4% East_Sicilian @ 1.86
4 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
5 56% Ukrainian + 44% Bulgarian @ 1.95
6 59.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.9% Bulgarian @ 2.03
7 54.7% Bulgarian + 45.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.06
8 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.12
9 79% Ukrainian + 21% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.2
10 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Lithuanian @ 2.29
11 54% Bulgarian + 46% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.29
12 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.31
13 58.3% Romanian + 41.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.34
14 76.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.6% Central_Greek @ 2.34
15 78.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.1% South_Italian @ 2.36
16 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.39
17 81.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.4
18 81.1% Ukrainian + 18.9% Cyprian @ 2.42
19 52.6% Ukrainian + 47.4% Romanian @ 2.42
20 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.44
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 08:00 PM
What does he get on K15 and where does he plot?
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:00 PM
Vlatko's Eurogenes results. A pretty high Baltic score, awesome:thumb001: I'm 45.8% for example
Thank you Leto!
Thank you Leto!
You're welcome. Now try other calculators yourself.
MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 27.11
2 Neolithic 26.5
3 NorthEastEuropean 25.68
4 Steppe 18.61
5 Amerindian 0.91
6 NearEast 0.73
7 Oceanic 0.39
8 Ancestor 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croat (Croatia) 2.76
2 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.25
3 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.39
4 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.49
5 Serbian (Serbia) 4.56
6 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.58
7 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.03
8 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.09
9 Moldavian (Molodva) 5.28
10 Austrian (Austria) 5.42
11 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.63
12 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.79
13 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.8
14 German (SouthGermany) 6.02
15 Slovak (Slovakia) 6.33
16 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.6
17 Czech (Czechia) 6.67
18 Pole (EastPoland) 6.97
19 French (EastFrance) 7.15
20 Dutch (Netherlands) 7.2
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 31.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.19
2 64.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 35.9% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.23
3 62.4% Serbian (Serbia) + 37.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.25
4 51.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 48.4% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.25
5 52.9% Dutch (Netherlands) + 47.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.26
6 59% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 41% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.28
7 68.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 31.4% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.31
8 62.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 37.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.36
9 52.1% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 47.9% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.39
10 53.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 46.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.4
11 56.2% Montenegrian (Montenegro) + 43.8% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.41
12 63.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 36.3% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.45
13 91.2% Croat (Croatia) + 8.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 2.47
14 57.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 42.7% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.48
15 66.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 33.5% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.51
16 54.4% Slovak (Slovakia) + 45.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.53
17 57.9% Serbian (Serbia) + 42.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.55
18 60.5% Serbian (Serbia) + 39.5% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 2.55
19 75.6% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) + 24.4% German (Germany) @ 2.56
20 86.9% Croat (Croatia) + 13.1% German (Germany) @ 2.56
Nice! His gedmatch doesn't show any extra west asian/anatolian
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
What does he get on K15 and where does he plot?
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.02
2 North_Sea 18.97
3 Eastern_Euro 15.5
4 Atlantic 13.61
5 West_Med 11.3
6 East_Med 8.29
7 West_Asian 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 Amerindian 0.53
10 Siberian 0.44
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 1.98
2 Croatian 4.18
3 Hungarian 6.66
4 Serbian 8.02
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.24
6 Ukrainian 9.02
7 South_Polish 9.16
8 Austrian 9.56
9 Romanian 9.79
10 East_German 11.58
11 Polish 11.98
12 Bulgarian 12.08
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.31
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.56
15 Southwest_Russian 12.85
16 Belorussian 14.65
17 Estonian_Polish 14.66
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.78
19 Finnish 16.37
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.44
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Ukrainian + 25.6% Central_Greek @ 1.69
2 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Ukrainian @ 1.88
3 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Croatian @ 1.88
4 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Lithuanian @ 1.89
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Belorussian @ 1.9
6 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Polish @ 1.9
7 93.5% Moldavian + 6.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.9
8 94.2% Moldavian + 5.8% South_Polish @ 1.91
9 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
10 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Estonian @ 1.93
11 93.5% Moldavian + 6.5% Hungarian @ 1.93
12 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.93
13 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Southwest_Russian @ 1.94
14 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.95
15 68.5% Ukrainian + 31.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
16 98.8% Moldavian + 1.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
17 99.1% Moldavian + 0.9% Erzya @ 1.98
18 99% Moldavian + 1% Finnish @ 1.98
19 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% East_German @ 1.98
20 98.4% Moldavian + 1.6% Austrian @ 1.98
I will place him on the map now.
Nice! His gedmatch doesn't show any extra west asian/anatolian
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
That's normal and expected. Actually, Turks didn't move Turcomans nor... Armenian converts to Islam (that's what you mean by Anatolian?) to BiH.
Nice! His gedmatch doesn't show any extra west asian/anatolian
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
Yes, slightly more than Bosniensis. He's only 30% Baltic. In fact, Vlatko is more Baltic than Stears. :)
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 08:06 PM
Nice! His gedmatch doesn't show any extra west asian/anatolian
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
Yh that's what I noticed as well, he should have a higher amount of west Asian considering that he has a known ancestor that came from Turkey
That's normal and expected. Actually, Turks didn't move Turcomans nor... Armenian converts to Islam (that's what you mean by Anatolian?) to BiH.
His family finder show asia minor, but gedmatch not at all....he is much more typical Bosniak result than Bosniensis is, just like I predicted months ago :)
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:09 PM
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
But is he a Slav? That is more important and interesting.
Yes, slightly more than Bosniensis. He's only 30% Baltic. In fact, Vlatko is more Baltic than Stears. :)
More baltic than me too :) I hope this break prejudice how Bosniaks are non European just because they are muslim. Average Bosniaks are among more northern influenced south slavs.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:10 PM
Yh that's what I noticed as well, he should have a higher amount of west Asian considering that he has a known ancestor that came from Turkey
Nope, becasue millions of Anatolians are just resent european migrants...
Bosniensis isn't Bosniak. He is Muslim Serbo-Montenegrin immigrant to BiH with some Vlah ancestry. So he never represented Bosniaks genetically to begin with. This guy does.
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 08:12 PM
Nope, becasue millions of Anatolians are just resent european migrants...
Autosomally they aren't
Eurogenes K15 Map:
https://preview.ibb.co/heWRJS/Map.png (https://ibb.co/bFS0dS)
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:14 PM
Yh that's what I noticed as well, he should have a higher amount of west Asian considering that he has a known ancestor that came from Turkey
He was not there a long time from which i now.. But that is from 17th century somwhere...
More baltic than me too :) I hope this break prejudice how Bosniaks are non European just because they are muslim. Average Bosniaks are among more northern influenced south slavs.
True, Islam is not a race after all.
Jackson78
03-04-2018, 08:17 PM
Još jedna baltčuga.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:18 PM
Još jedna baltčuga.
Po Y-DNA ne vjerujem da jesam. Po Autosomalu, sigurno da jesam.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:19 PM
Autosomally they aren't
What?
European migrants and slaves were ME? :picard1:
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 08:20 PM
What?
European migrants and slaves were ME? :picard1:
Turks in modern day Turkey aren't European autosomally. I thought this was common knowledge
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:20 PM
Po Y-DNA ne vjerujem da jesam. Po Autosomalu, sigurno da jesam.
:picard1:
Jackson78
03-04-2018, 08:20 PM
Po Y-DNA ne vjerujem da jesam. Po Autosomalu, sigurno da jesam.
Će vidimo od koje si krlje po Y-DNA.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:20 PM
More baltic than me too :) I hope this break prejudice how Bosniaks are non European just because they are muslim. Average Bosniaks are among more northern influenced south slavs.
My father would score extremly Baltic results surely, maybe much more than me. He is extremly Baltic type by phenotype.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:22 PM
:picard1:
What did your translater showed you, dear R1ethel :D
My father would score extremly Baltic results surely, maybe much more than me. He is extremly Baltic type by phenotype.
On the map you're literally halfway between Ukraine_Lviv and Serbia.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:22 PM
Turks in modern day Turkey aren't European autosomally. I thought this was common knowledge
So what? All this people just dissapread who reseteled there?
Is she a fantom too:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoaVuC2mBSsExY0bAZm-gEo3zvIRufqx1QpaMzzY3vQXRwTbYxRg
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:23 PM
What did your translater showed you, dear R1ethel :D
There is no need for translator to get, that you prefer au.
So what? All this people just dissapread who reseteled there?
Is she a fantom too:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoaVuC2mBSsExY0bAZm-gEo3zvIRufqx1QpaMzzY3vQXRwTbYxRg
Meryem Uzerli is half German if that's her. Anyway, there's Bosnians, Albanians and Balkan Turks in Turkey. They are white autosomally.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:25 PM
translater
Now I did.
It is interesting, that bosnian translator shows totaly different text that croatian :laugh:
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:26 PM
They are white autosomally.
But not ME. That's the point.
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.91
2 Atlantic_Med 25.59
3 Caucasus 20.02
4 Gedrosia 3.85
5 Southwest_Asian 3.81
6 Siberian 1.27
7 South_Asian 0.35
8 East_Asian 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.95
2 Romanians (Behar) 11.38
3 German (Dodecad) 12.45
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.28
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.5
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.5
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.58
8 Polish (Dodecad) 19.09
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.81
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 21.55
12 French (Dodecad) 21.87
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.14
14 French (HGDP) 22.18
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.22
16 English (Dodecad) 22.36
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 22.7
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.25
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 23.87
20 Russian (Dodecad) 23.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 26.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.92
2 53.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 46.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.01
3 70.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.07
4 73.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 26.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.1
5 54.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 45.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.21
6 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.34
7 57.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 42.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.43
8 90.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.44
9 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.47
10 57.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 42.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.48
11 91% Hungarians (Behar) + 9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.49
12 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.54
13 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Turks (Behar) @ 1.6
14 91.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.61
15 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.66
16 92.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.73
17 92.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.7% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
18 53.7% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.75
19 93.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.7% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.77
20 53.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 46.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.79
But not ME. That's the point.
Most Turks are an Anatolian/Turkic mix. They have some white blood from the steppe, but not directly and recently from Europe.
Congrats Vlatko.
Now it’s proved you descend from Early Slavs from Prytsak marshes who were eating dead animal flesh and practiced cannibalism until 6th century when Franks in the west, Turks (Bulgar, Khazar) in south and east started to civilize them xD :)
You can be proud for your 1,5% Siberian
Rethel
03-04-2018, 08:32 PM
Most Turks are an Anatolian/Turkic mix. They have some white blood from the steppe, but not directly and recently from Europe.
Most doesn't mean all - and the fact, that he has some ascendant from Anatolia
doesn;t mean, she had to be ME, and that he has to have higher ME than he has.
HarappaWorld Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 45.79
2 Mediterranean 22.4
3 Caucasian 18.99
4 Baloch 6.68
5 SW-Asian 3.59
6 Siberian 1.32
7 American 1.12
8 San 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 5.32
2 slovenian (xing) 6.27
3 romanian-a (behar) 10.79
4 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 12.69
5 ukranian (yunusbayev) 13.88
6 n-european (xing) 15.06
7 french (hgdp) 16.16
8 utahn-white (hapmap) 16.61
9 utahn-white (1000genomes) 16.73
10 british (1000genomes) 18.72
11 mordovian (yunusbayev) 19.69
12 belorussian (behar) 19.87
13 russian (behar) 19.91
14 orcadian (hgdp) 20.56
15 italian (hgdp) 20.9
16 russian (hgdp) 23.16
17 tuscan (hapmap) 23.8
18 tuscan (hgdp) 23.8
19 tuscan (1000genomes) 23.98
20 chuvash (behar) 24.75
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 36.6% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.58
2 91.9% hungarian (behar) + 8.1% druze (hgdp) @ 1.71
3 63.9% slovenian (xing) + 36.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.79
4 67.7% slovenian (xing) + 32.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
5 88.7% slovenian (xing) + 11.3% cypriot (behar) @ 1.89
6 91.5% hungarian (behar) + 8.5% armenian (behar) @ 1.95
7 92.8% hungarian (behar) + 7.2% georgian (behar) @ 1.97
8 85.6% slovenian (xing) + 14.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.98
9 88.1% slovenian (xing) + 11.9% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2
10 71.8% hungarian (behar) + 28.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.01
11 88.2% slovenian (xing) + 11.8% turk (behar) @ 2.03
12 92.6% hungarian (behar) + 7.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.04
13 90% slovenian (xing) + 10% armenian (behar) @ 2.09
14 91.7% hungarian (behar) + 8.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.1
15 87.7% slovenian (xing) + 12.3% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.1
16 90.1% hungarian (behar) + 9.9% turk (behar) @ 2.11
17 91.8% hungarian (behar) + 8.2% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.11
18 90.6% hungarian (behar) + 9.4% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.13
19 54.7% belorussian (behar) + 45.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.13
20 90.3% slovenian (xing) + 9.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.14
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 08:34 PM
Congrats Vlatko.
Now it’s proved you descend from Early Slavs from Prytsak marshes who were eating dead animal flesh and practiced cannibalism until 6th century when Franks in the west, Turks (Bulgar, Khazar) in south and east started to civilize them xD :)
You can be proud for your 1,5% Siberian
Bro, not Prytsak, but Pripyat marshes.
Pahli
03-04-2018, 08:35 PM
Turks have not civilized anyone, they were civilized by others lmfao. Even Slavs were more organized and ended up destroying all of them in the Steppes topkek.
Bro, not Prytsak, but Pripyat marshes.
:) That is better sounding tho
Turks have not civilized anyone, they were civilized by others lmfao. Even Slavs were more organized and ended up destroying all of them in the Steppes topkek.
Fuck off autist Kiro. It won’t work with Turks. Go beg to Georgians so they accept your West Asianist agenda.
Turks have not civilized anyone, they were civilized by others lmfao. Even Slavs were more organized and ended up destroying all of them in the Steppes topkek.
Yeah, they preyed upon Aryan, South Asian and European civilizations. Although I think the proto-Turks were high-IQ mongoloids, because Turkic languages are actually very logical.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Tyurki.jpg
Pahli
03-04-2018, 08:43 PM
:) That is better sounding tho
Fuck off autist Kiro. It won’t work with Turks. Go beg to Georgians so they accept your West Asianist agenda.
Lmfao, learn history you fuckwit, your people were nowhere near the term civilized. That's why you were raiding, taking slaves and selling them off til the Russians came and kicked your dicks up your asses xD
Bosniensis
03-04-2018, 08:51 PM
Eurogenes K15 Map:
https://preview.ibb.co/heWRJS/Map.png (https://ibb.co/bFS0dS)
Quite distant :) for two people living in same country.
https://i.imgur.com/SSkF8Zl.png
Quite distant :) for two people living in same country.
https://i.imgur.com/SSkF8Zl.png
That's because your ancestry isn't from Bosnia.
Bosniensis
03-04-2018, 08:56 PM
That's because your ancestry isn't from Bosnia.
Oh what a loss... xD
I prefer Montenegro more... Budva, Sea <3
Oh what a loss... xD
I prefer Montenegro more... Budva, Sea <3
You are Bosniak too :) But it's clear your roots are from more southern location. Nothing wrong with that, you aren't only one in BiH with such ancestry.
Vlatko is typical though and true native.
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 08:57 PM
That's because your ancestry isn't from Bosnia.
His ancestors aren't actually Bosnian?
His ancestors aren't actually Bosnian?
They were muslim, bit not Bosnians.
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 08:59 PM
They were muslim, bit not Bosnians.
What were they?
What were they?
Montenegrin Serbs who became islamized, and he mentioned some other groups too. Ask him.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 09:00 PM
They were muslim, bit not Bosnians.
Call Stears to see how Gypsy Balkanites are EURO !
Kelmendasi
03-04-2018, 09:01 PM
What were they?
He is part Serb from Montenegro and Gorani from Albania iirc
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 09:01 PM
Call Stears to see how Gypsy Balkanites are EURO !
I see Mortimer as European.
Call Stears to see how Gypsy Balkanites are EURO !
Stears plots quite close to you actually, even bit more southern and eastern :P
Not a Cop
03-04-2018, 09:11 PM
Nice! His gedmatch doesn't show any extra west asian/anatolian
Vlatko is very Slavic :)
That's because it's the way FTDNA worked for him, it actually seems like he somehow got My Origins 1.0 and not 2.0 results.
His high East-Euro and low Balkan was balanced by some West-Asian to create a result fitting his genetical profile.
Bosniensis
03-04-2018, 09:12 PM
Vlatko Vukovic is a typical example of Slavs from Poland who came to Balkans.
Nowdays Western Balkans is from 70% to 40% autosomaly Slavic.
Vlatko is most extreme Slavic with close to 70% while I am opposite of that.
Jackson78
03-04-2018, 09:17 PM
Montenegrin Serbs who became islamized, and he mentioned some other groups too. Ask him.
Herzegovian Serbs (probably from East Herzegovina), not Montenegrin, according to his Y-DNA results. His closest haplotypes are in East Herzegovina.
Vlatko Vukovic is a typical example of Slavs from Poland who came to Balkans.
Nowdays Western Balkans is from 70% to 40% autosomaly Slavic.
Vlatko is most extreme Slavic with close to 70% while I am opposite of that.
He isn't exterme, he is normal result for Bosnia !
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 09:19 PM
He isn't exterme, he is normal result for Bosnia !
I didn't see many autosomal results from Bosnia, so i can't say what is typical haha
I didn't see many autosomal results from Bosnia, so i can't say what is typical haha
Going by pro studies, Bosniaks should be similar to Croats. You are close to us, so I guess you're typical :)
I didn't see many autosomal results from Bosnia, so i can't say what is typical haha
Try 'One-to-many' matches and pick Bosnian-sounding user names.
These are Bosniaks:
A095922
M893654
Going by pro studies, Bosniaks should be similar to Croats. You are close to us, so I guess you're typical :)
For some reason Bulgarians are much more Southern than Bosnians and Croats.
A Bulgarian's results:
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.41
2 North_Atlantic 22.66
3 East_Med 18.11
4 West_Med 17.52
5 West_Asian 11.83
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 Northeast_African 1.1
8 Amerindian 0.65
9 Siberian 0.49
10 Oceanian 0.44
11 South_Asian 0.28
12 East_Asian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 2.51
2 Bulgarian 2.67
3 Serbian 6.38
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.88
5 Moldavian 11.86
6 Hungarian 14.48
7 Croatian 14.82
8 Tuscan 15.1
9 North_Italian 15.55
10 Italian_Abruzzo 15.88
11 Central_Greek 16.61
12 Austrian 17.05
13 West_Sicilian 17.5
14 East_Sicilian 17.76
15 East_German 18.99
16 Ashkenazi 19.67
17 French 20.26
18 West_German 20.34
19 Portuguese 20.74
20 South_Italian 20.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Croatian + 47.1% Central_Greek @ 1.43
2 54.6% Croatian + 45.4% East_Sicilian @ 1.52
3 58.6% Croatian + 41.4% South_Italian @ 1.54
4 95% Romanian + 5% Bedouin @ 1.56
5 50.4% South_Italian + 49.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.59
6 95.3% Romanian + 4.7% Egyptian @ 1.63
7 94.7% Romanian + 5.3% Moroccan @ 1.63
8 97.1% Romanian + 2.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.65
9 95.1% Romanian + 4.9% Jordanian @ 1.66
10 57.4% Moldavian + 42.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.67
11 97.2% Romanian + 2.8% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.68
12 60.7% Central_Greek + 39.3% Polish @ 1.68
13 94.8% Romanian + 5.2% Syrian @ 1.7
14 60.1% Moldavian + 39.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 55% South_Italian + 45% Polish @ 1.73
16 64% Moldavian + 36% South_Italian @ 1.74
17 96.3% Romanian + 3.7% Saudi @ 1.75
18 97.6% Romanian + 2.4% Somali @ 1.77
19 94.9% Romanian + 5.1% Algerian @ 1.78
20 95.5% Romanian + 4.5% Palestinian @ 1.78
Bosniensis
03-04-2018, 09:31 PM
Herzegovian Serbs (probably from East Herzegovina), not Montenegrin, according to his Y-DNA results. His closest haplotypes are in East Herzegovina.
Eastern Herzegovina, Montenegro... nije šija nego vrat xD
Jackson78
03-04-2018, 09:33 PM
Eastern Herzegovina, Montenegro... nije šija nego vrat xD
Pa, nije baš sasvim isto.
For some reason Bulgarians are much more Southern than Bosnians and Croats.
A Bulgarian's results:
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.41
2 North_Atlantic 22.66
3 East_Med 18.11
4 West_Med 17.52
5 West_Asian 11.83
6 Red_Sea 3.37
7 Northeast_African 1.1
8 Amerindian 0.65
9 Siberian 0.49
10 Oceanian 0.44
11 South_Asian 0.28
12 East_Asian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 2.51
2 Bulgarian 2.67
3 Serbian 6.38
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.88
5 Moldavian 11.86
6 Hungarian 14.48
7 Croatian 14.82
8 Tuscan 15.1
9 North_Italian 15.55
10 Italian_Abruzzo 15.88
11 Central_Greek 16.61
12 Austrian 17.05
13 West_Sicilian 17.5
14 East_Sicilian 17.76
15 East_German 18.99
16 Ashkenazi 19.67
17 French 20.26
18 West_German 20.34
19 Portuguese 20.74
20 South_Italian 20.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Croatian + 47.1% Central_Greek @ 1.43
2 54.6% Croatian + 45.4% East_Sicilian @ 1.52
3 58.6% Croatian + 41.4% South_Italian @ 1.54
4 95% Romanian + 5% Bedouin @ 1.56
5 50.4% South_Italian + 49.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.59
6 95.3% Romanian + 4.7% Egyptian @ 1.63
7 94.7% Romanian + 5.3% Moroccan @ 1.63
8 97.1% Romanian + 2.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.65
9 95.1% Romanian + 4.9% Jordanian @ 1.66
10 57.4% Moldavian + 42.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.67
11 97.2% Romanian + 2.8% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.68
12 60.7% Central_Greek + 39.3% Polish @ 1.68
13 94.8% Romanian + 5.2% Syrian @ 1.7
14 60.1% Moldavian + 39.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 55% South_Italian + 45% Polish @ 1.73
16 64% Moldavian + 36% South_Italian @ 1.74
17 96.3% Romanian + 3.7% Saudi @ 1.75
18 97.6% Romanian + 2.4% Somali @ 1.77
19 94.9% Romanian + 5.1% Algerian @ 1.78
20 95.5% Romanian + 4.5% Palestinian @ 1.78
Well Bulgaria is quite more southern on the map. They seem to have stronger native (Thracian) element, possibly some Greek admixture too.
Also native population of ancient Dalmatia (which included Bosnia) was decimated by plague in times of Justinian.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 09:38 PM
Y no Y............................?
On this calculator Vlatko is a bit more Northeastern than their Bosnian reference, but still very close.
MDLP World Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 41.7
2 North_and_East_European 38.67
3 Caucaus_Parsia 11.13
4 Middle_East 6.65
5 Arctic_Amerind 0.76
6 Mesoamerican 0.7
7 Paleo_African 0.29
8 North_Asian 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 2.51
2 Croatian 2.6
3 Hungarian 3.39
4 Slovenian 5.28
5 Austrian 5.55
6 Croatian_V 5.8
7 German_V 5.87
8 Czech 7
9 Serbian 7.02
10 German 7.02
11 CEU_V 7.43
12 Slovakian 8.01
13 German-North 8.14
14 Latvian_V 8.48
15 German-South 8.82
16 CEU 9.14
17 Macedonian 9.56
18 Norwegian_V 9.58
19 Montenegrin 9.72
20 Welsh 9.79
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Bosnian + 21.5% Latvian_V @ 0.98
2 89.6% Bosnian + 10.4% Mordovian @ 1.11
3 86.2% German-North + 13.8% Druze @ 1.14
4 83% Swedish + 17% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
5 86.7% German-North + 13.3% Jew_Georgia @ 1.19
6 61.5% Macedonian + 38.5% Russian_South @ 1.23
7 84.9% Bosnian + 15.1% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.23
8 56.1% Montenegrin + 43.9% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.25
9 83.1% Bosnian + 16.9% Ukrainian_V @ 1.25
10 86.6% Bosnian + 13.4% Ukrainian-East @ 1.26
11 87.5% Bosnian + 12.5% Russian_South @ 1.27
12 82.4% Czech + 17.6% Greek_Azov @ 1.28
13 88.5% Bosnian + 11.5% Russian_V @ 1.29
14 92.2% Bosnian + 7.8% Inkeri @ 1.29
15 56.5% Macedonian + 43.5% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.29
16 91.8% Bosnian + 8.2% Russian_North @ 1.3
17 85.9% German-North + 14.1% Lebanese @ 1.31
18 82.5% Bosnian + 17.5% Ukrainian-West @ 1.32
19 83.7% Swedish + 16.3% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.32
20 94.1% Bosnian + 5.9% Vepsa @ 1.32
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 09:41 PM
Y no Y............................?
Will be. But have in mind that i am I2. :D
Rethel
03-04-2018, 09:42 PM
Will be. But have in mind that i am I2. :D
EuropaNazione also had such weird theories and he landed as G2 - something, what he did not even consider...
Will be. But have in mind that i am I2. :D
You can order Y-12 for starters. It costs $59. I'm waiting for my results. On the FTDNA website click the "Upgrade" button on the right.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 09:47 PM
EuropaNazione also had such weird theories and he landed as G2 - something, which he did not even consider...
I am pretty sure that i am I2a. Area of my paternal origin is settled from Montenegro in early Ottoman era. And my surname is not turkicized, so i have directly cognate with Serb/Montenegrin from Montenegro, which are 95% my remote cousin. And.. he is I2a.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 09:48 PM
You can order Y-12 for starters. It costs $59. I'm waiting for my results. On the FTDNA website click the "Upgrade" button on the right.
I know for this xD Will be soon.
I am pretty sure that i am I2a. Area of my paternal origin is settled from Montenegro in early Ottoman era. And my surname is not turkicized, so i have directly cognate with Serb/Montenegrin from Montenegro, which are 95% my remote cousin. And.. he is I2a.
the ones from northwest/krajina are R1a, correct?
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 10:14 PM
the ones from northwest/krajina are R1a, correct?
from Herzegowina. Ancestors of Emir Kusturica. R1a-Z280. But my origins are not from there.
MercifulServant
03-04-2018, 10:21 PM
Very Slavic. You are an invader
MercifulServant
03-04-2018, 10:23 PM
Vlatko Vukovic is a typical example of Slavs from Poland who came to Balkans.
Nowdays Western Balkans is from 70% to 40% autosomaly Slavic.
Vlatko is most extreme Slavic with close to 70% while I am opposite of that.
Yes me and you are the most southern shifted south slavs on TA I think besides that Macedonian guy
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 11:01 PM
I know about that from this serial: Мирис кише на Балкану
https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%88% D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B0% D0%BD%D1%83_(%D0%A2%D0%92_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8 %D1%98%D0%B0)
I watched it online on RTS :D
Прича прати судбину једне сефардске породице Јевреја из Сарајева у турбулентним временима од 1914. до 1945. године, од почетка Првог до краја Другог светског рата [5]
Sarajevo was bassinet of Jews. Nothing weird about that. But they were killed when Sarajevo was under NDH occupation by Croats and Bosniaks.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 11:11 PM
Y-12 for starters. (...) I'm waiting for my results
Finaly you get to your senses.
Rethel
03-04-2018, 11:12 PM
I am pretty sure that i am I2a.
You can be surrprized.
Bobby Martnen
03-04-2018, 11:14 PM
Will be. But have in mind that i am I2. :D
I hope you're I1, like me!
Vlatko Vukovic
03-04-2018, 11:15 PM
I hope you're I1, like me!
It's possible less than 1% :D
Congrats. You do seem to score more East Euro than the average south Slav and a lower amount of SE Euro
But high Middle East though I think that inflates the east euro score
Peterski
03-05-2018, 12:48 AM
Congrats.
Share your DNA Land, Gencove, GenePlaza and MyHeritage too.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:54 AM
Congrats.
Share your DNA Land, Gencove, GenePlaza and MyHeritage too.
Thanks, i will, for some days i hope.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:58 AM
But high Middle East though I think that inflates the east euro score
I dont get it. How can Middle East inflate East Euro score?
Finaly you get to your senses.
Nah, I'm still your opponent, because you're opposed to ethnonationalism and the very idea that race may be important. Mind you that I'm not a Nazi and not even the most radical ethnonationalist. I support the assimilation of foreigners in small numbers.
Rethel
03-05-2018, 08:09 AM
Nah, I'm still your opponent, because you're opposed to ethnonationalism
To fake ethnonatiobleble like in your case - of course.
and the very idea that race may be important.
Are things more important than that.
Btw, look at your au results - you are not pure, you are a hybrid.
So, what sense it has?
But I do not oppose the idea, that a narodnaja group of people should
care about their race. I am totaly for it. But it has to be relevant and
apropriate race - not just this, which the unit actualy coincidently is
of, and such care cannot deny the provenance of mixed people. But
for it is needed an organized form - since it does not exist right now,
it is sensless to talk about it, especially with people, who are obvious
descendnants of inorodcow.
And race is only a feature of the people, like language, customs,
alphabeth aso - not the people are the feature like you think.
Mind you that I'm not a Nazi and not even the most radical ethnonationalist. I support the assimilation of foreigners in small numbers.
Nazis also supported this, so what is the difference?
Peterski
03-05-2018, 08:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/SSkF8Zl.png
And my dad for comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/0tHQ0WT.png
His Eurogenes K15 results:
Population
North_Sea 24.18
Atlantic 19.34
Baltic 24.98
Eastern_Euro 15.86
West_Med 5.16
West_Asian 4.74
East_Med 4.53
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23
Northeast_African 0.96
Sub-Saharan -
===============
For more info see the thread about my parents' results:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?235937-Peterski-s-parents-DNA-results
cosmoo
03-05-2018, 09:19 AM
On a semi-related sidenote, gotta love how some members literally fawn over northern plotting in calcutardism.
LOOK AT THIS COUNTRYMANE OF MINE HE S SO NORTGERNNN ON GEDFUCK K14-88 WOAH!111
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 09:41 AM
Share K36 Similtude map :P
Share K36 Similtude map :P
K36 sucks, especially Bosnian sample which is terrible.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:34 AM
K36 sucks, especially Bosnian sample which is terrible.
:noidea:
what's not to like about K36 Similtude :noidea:
Screw you Stears.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 10:39 AM
K36 sucks, especially Bosnian sample which is terrible.
why is terrible haha
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:40 AM
why is terrible haha
Stears is trolling again... don't listen to him.
why is terrible haha
It's made from amateur samples and in case of Bosnia they aren't the best.
I get Slovenia on K36 first despite I am genetically much more average Croat, not Slovene.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 10:43 AM
And my dad for comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/0tHQ0WT.png
His Eurogenes K15 results:
Population
North_Sea 24.18
Atlantic 19.34
Baltic 24.98
Eastern_Euro 15.86
West_Med 5.16
West_Asian 4.74
East_Med 4.53
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23
Northeast_African 0.96
Sub-Saharan -
===============
For more info see the thread about my parents' results:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?235937-Peterski-s-parents-DNA-results
I am even more Baltic than your dad, who is a Polish lol xD
:noidea:
what's not to like about K36 Similtude :noidea:
Screw you Stears.
It's enough to look at your K36 and see how good is it.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 10:44 AM
Stears is trolling again... don't listen to him.
K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 3.58
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.56
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.72
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 15.85
East_Med 1.48
Eastern_Euro 8.90
Fennoscandian 8.05
French 4.36
Iberian 8.62
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 7.11
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.39
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.50
North_Caucasian 4.57
North_Sea 7.91
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.26
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.17
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:45 AM
It's enough to look at your K36 and see how good is it.
What's not to like about my K36?
I am Slavo-Vlach and I hit Serbia and Romania... as expected.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:50 AM
pršti ko šipak
https://i.imgur.com/nOsbsV6.png
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 10:51 AM
pršti ko šipak
https://i.imgur.com/nOsbsV6.png
Ispade da sam i Janez na kraju
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:52 AM
Ispade da sam i Janez na kraju
Pa janezi su svi Zapadni Sloveni (Wends) tak da si i janez xD
You get Slovenia just like me, we even have same score (88) and you don't match Bosnia at all, because Bosnian sample is totally innacurate.
I told you K36 sucks, don't take it seriously.
What's not to like about my K36?
I am Slavo-Vlach and I hit Serbia and Romania... as expected.
K36 Bosnian sample is much more like Romanian, that real Bosnian.
That's what happens when people use few amateur samples with unknown origins.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 10:59 AM
You get Slovenia just like me, we even have same score (88) and you don't match Bosnia at all, because Bosnian sample is totally innacurate.
I told you K36 sucks, don't take it seriously.
Bosnian sample can't be made, don't you get it:
Bosnian ethnicity includes ALL BALKAN people.
We are a nation composed of Military Garrisons from all over the place.
We have Macedonians, Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, Slovenians, Hungarians, Austrians, Montenegrins.. you name it... AND THEY ALL CALL THEMSELVES EITHER
1. Croats
2. Serbs
3. Bosniaks
Depending on religion.
Bosnian sample can't be made, don't you get it:
Bosnian ethnicity includes ALL BALKAN people.
We are a nation composed of Military Garrisons from all over the place.
We have Macedonians, Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, Slovenians, Hungarians, Austrians, Montenegrins.. you name it... AND THEY ALL CALL THEMSELVES EITHER
1. Croats
2. Serbs
3. Bosniaks
Depending on religion.
You wish. To make national average are only used people with fully native ancestry.
Norka
03-05-2018, 11:04 AM
Were not you the guy that argued that you were not slavic but some sort of Illyrian Goth. How people change when their genetic make up is seen
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 11:12 AM
You are a typical Slavic-Turkish mix you get
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 11:14 AM
Хорсефуцкерс еверѕњхере ароунд ме!
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 11:16 AM
You are a typical Slavic-Turkish mix you get
:picard2:
Even the greatest Turanoids here didn't proclaim me as Turk.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 11:18 AM
:picard2:
Even the greatest Turanoids here didn't proclaim me as Turk.
Don't forget that guy from Turkey who said we are Pechengs.
PEČENGZI. xD
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 11:19 AM
Were not you the guy that argued that you were not slavic but some sort of Illyrian Goth. How people change when their genetic make up is seen
No. I always claimed that i am Slavic.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 11:21 AM
Don't forget that guy from Turkey who said we are Pechengs.
PEČENGZI. xD
Even he would laughing on Edward's comment. Together with Kipchak Hakan. :D
Norka
03-05-2018, 11:21 AM
No. I always claimed that i am Slavic.
Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of another Bosnian...Bosniesis?
You are a typical Slavic-Turkish mix you get
Nothing Turkish about him.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 11:24 AM
Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of another Bosnian...Bosniesis?
We are Mix Slavo-Vlachs, that's what counts for both me and Vlatko, it's just we exaggerate a bit.
We speak slavic languages, but long ago we were assimilated into slavic populace and became slavs.
What's complicated about that?
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 11:29 AM
We are Mix Slavo-Vlachs, that's what counts for both me and Vlatko, it's just we exaggerate a bit.
We speak slavic languages, but long ago we were assimilated into slavic populace and became slavs.
What's complicated about that?
My Slavoid cousin is laughing at you, Bosniensis!
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 11:30 AM
My Slavoid cousin is laughing at you, Bosniensis!
https://instagram.fsjj1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/vp/495ea66c3b4041c33fef0f3d5aec08ff/5B2D749C/t51.2885-15/e35/17596834_1464799180239160_7653754918313918464_n.jp g
Two Poles laughing at me :O
Even he would laughing on Edward's comment. Together with Kipchak Hakan. :D
don't bother Russian members, soon they can be disconnected from global Internet https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237454-Russia-ready-to-disconnect-from-the-Internet
I dont get it. How can Middle East inflate East Euro score?
To 'balance' it, it happened to me some times, but I don't know I trust gedmatch a little more, congrats btw!
Rethel
03-05-2018, 11:39 AM
I am even more Baltic than your dad, who is a Polish lol xD
So move to Lithuania if it is so important, and apply for citizenship as a true Lithuanian.
It just shows again, how practlicly sensless is this testing.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 11:41 AM
So move to Lithuania if it is so important, and apply for citizenship as a true Lithuanian.
It just shows again, how practlicly sensless is this testing.
With all respect Rethel, you said that i will score typical southern Balkan results, as my compatriots usually score. But the results were different, werent they?
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 11:41 AM
So move to Lithuania if it is so important, and apply for citizenship as a true Lithuanian.
It just shows again, how practlicly sensless is this testing.
He is muslim, Poles, Lithuanians burn us alive on a stake. .
Rethel
03-05-2018, 11:42 AM
With all respect Rethel, you said that i will score typical southern Balkan results, as my compatriots usually score. But the results were different, werent they?
They are and what?
Sometimes it could happen, but what it proves?
Nothing.
What relevance it has? None.
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 11:52 AM
Even he would laughing on Edward's comment. Together with Kipchak Hakan. :D
fuck everyone knows that the Bosnians mixed partially with the Ottoman Turks!!
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 11:53 AM
don't bother Russian members, soon they can be disconnected from global Internet https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?237454-Russia-ready-to-disconnect-from-the-Internet
lol
MercifulServant
03-05-2018, 12:01 PM
You are a typical Slavic-Turkish mix you get
:picard1:
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:01 PM
fuck everyone knows that the Bosnians mixed partially with the Ottoman Turks!!
Yeah man.. Belief > Facts.. I support you!
MercifulServant
03-05-2018, 12:02 PM
fuck everyone knows that the Bosnians mixed partially with the Ottoman Turks!!
No they didn't. Barely anybody ruled by the ottomans mixed with turks
They are and what?
Sometimes it could happen, but what it proves?
Nothing.
What relevance it has? None.
His results are typical, not Bosniensis. Bosnians have nothing to do with southern Balkans and they are most northern shifted south Slavs after Slovenes and Croats.
Only Bosniaks that will have southern Balkan results are those from Sandzak (in Serbia and Montenegro) who have Albanian origins.
fuck everyone knows that the Bosnians mixed partially with the Ottoman Turks!!
Fantasy. Bosnia was ruled by islamized native people, Turkish presence there was insignificant.
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 12:06 PM
When I speak "Turkish", it means 16% of the Middle East (probably an Ottoman heritage) I did not speak about classical Turanid and other:picard2:
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:06 PM
His results are typical, not Bosniensis. Bosnians have nothing to do with southern Balkans and they are most northern shifted south Slavs after Slovenes and Croats.
Only Bosniaks that will have southern Balkan results are those from Sandzak (in Serbia and Montenegro) who have Albanian origins.
.
Bosniaks don't like Croats...
We call you Papci
1. For worshiping Pope
2. Cause you are all Jerks
3. Unfair treatment when we go on holiday
We wish we were not close to Croats... but too late to fix genetics now.
Lucia
03-05-2018, 12:10 PM
Bosniaks don't like Croats...
We call you Papci
1. For worshiping Pope
2. Cause you are all Jerks
3. Unfair treatment when we go on holiday
We wish we were not close to Croats... but too late to fix genetics now.
4. I was denied citizenship so now I'm angry at the entire nation.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:11 PM
When I speak "Turkish", it means 16% of the Middle East (probably an Ottoman heritage) I did not speak about classical Turanid and other:picard2:
My dear troll, there is a GEDmatch Eurasian results, where i got just 8% of West Asian. And about ancient origins i got 0% non-European. My middle-eastern ancestor is a migrant from Europe.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:12 PM
4. I was denied citizenship so now I'm angry at the entire nation.
I was never denied Croatian Citizenship but Serbian (in a first attempt)
Kmeee
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:13 PM
My dear troll, there is a GEDmatch Eurasian results, where i got just 8% of West Asian. And about ancient origins i got 0% non-European. My middle-eastern ancestor is a migrant from Europe.
It's funny to hear Russian trolling about Turks when all Russians are 50% Turks since they mixed with Tartars and Mongols.
Russians are more TUrkic than Anatolian Turks xD
Bosniaks don't like Croats...
We call you Papci
1. For worshiping Pope
2. Cause you are all Jerks
3. Unfair treatment when we go on holiday
We wish we were not close to Croats... but too late to fix genetics now.
You are not Bosniak by ancestry but muslim Serb.
Btw , unlike you I have real Bosniak noble origins trough my father.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:14 PM
It's funny to hear Russian trolling about Turks when all Russians are 50% Turks since they mixed with Tartars and Mongols.
Russians are more TUrkic than Anatolian Turks xD
I am sure that i am more European than this Russian troll. He would score Kipchak mongoloid admixture if he do the test.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:17 PM
You are not Bosniak by ancestry but muslim Serb.
Btw , unlike you I have real Bosniak noble origins trough my father.
Noble Bosniaks in 1960's
Interesting.
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 12:17 PM
My dear troll, there is a GEDmatch Eurasian results, where i got just 8% of West Asian. And about ancient origins i got 0% non-European. My middle-eastern ancestor is a migrant from Europe.
I do not troll ..:picard1: Just because of the picture there was such an opinion ... if you are so afraid of association with the Turk it's your problems and not my desire trolling you! loool
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:23 PM
I do not troll ..:picard1: Just because of the picture there was such an opinion ... if you are so afraid of association with the Turk it's your problems and not my desire trolling you! loool
can't have more Turan than this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Vladimir_Putin_%282017-07-08%29.jpg
Noble Bosniaks in 1960's
Interesting.
Clown, my grand-grandfater was son of Aga and woman from Beg family. From same part of Bosnia you curently dwell.
My ancestors were more native to Bosnia than yours ever were.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:25 PM
I do not troll ..:picard1: Just because of the picture there was such an opinion ... if you are so afraid of association with the Turk it's your problems and not my desire trolling you! loool
The problem is that your knowledge with autosomal is equal to zero (i am not expert, but your knowledge is cathastrophic).
if you are so afraid of association with the Turk it's your problems and not my desire trolling you! loool
I am not afraid of that, but the problem is that many Turks saw my results (who have knowledge about Turkish DNA results), and no one of them claimed that i have Turkish ancestry, you are the first one on this thread. And, when we were saying you that i don't have anything ethnic Turkish in myself, you continue to claim what you are claiming. That's why i gave my reaction.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:26 PM
can't have more Turan than this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Vladimir_Putin_%282017-07-08%29.jpg
It's not Turan, but East Baltic which is under slight Mongoloid influence (not in all cases, but in many).
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:33 PM
It's not Turan, but East Baltic which is under slight Mongoloid influence (not in all cases, but in many).
With a "slight" .. Mongoloid hahahahah
He is Genghis Khan incarnate
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:34 PM
With a "slight" .. Mongoloid hahahahah
He is Genghis Khan incarnate
He has blond hair and blue eyes. I doubt if Genghis Khan had it :D
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:37 PM
He has blond hair and blue eyes. I doubt if Genghis Khan had it :D
He had Green eyes, but also there is Viking blood in Putin... so it's a true monster xD
Putin mongoloid admiture isn't from mongols but from Uralic people in northern Russia.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 12:53 PM
Putin mongoloid admiture isn't from mongols but from Uralic people in northern Russia.
Mongols settled in Russia, Persia, Anatolia, China, .. pretty much everywhere.
They had hundreds of thousands horse mounted soldiers who moved from location to location (BUT NEVER HAD HOME)
And Yes Russia is full of Mongols (Russians don't deny that)
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:53 PM
Putin mongoloid admiture isn't from mongols but from Uralic people in northern Russia.
Exactly.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 12:57 PM
Mongols settled in Russia, Persia, Anatolia, China, .. pretty much everywhere.
They had hundreds of thousands horse mounted soldiers who moved from location to location (BUT NEVER HAD HOME)
And Yes Russia is full of Mongols (Russians don't deny that)
They occupied central Asia during the Soviet times, also still today they have Siberia and Far East. But the towns like Voronezh, Oryol, Belgorod Oblast, etc.. remained Slavic.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 01:05 PM
They occupied central Asia during the Soviet times, also still today they have Siberia and Far East. But the towns like Voronezh, Oryol, Belgorod Oblast, etc.. remained Slavic.
Kazakhs for example are all Mongols.
Until 1850 their rulers had "Gengishid, Borjigin, Chagatayid" prefixes.
Mongols settled in Russia, Persia, Anatolia, China, .. pretty much everywhere.
They had hundreds of thousands horse mounted soldiers who moved from location to location (BUT NEVER HAD HOME)
And Yes Russia is full of Mongols (Russians don't deny that)
Mongol influence in Russians is similar like Turkish in Bosniaks, irrelevant.
Slavic settlers in Russia conquered and assimilated Finno-Ugric natives, who were originaly part mongoloid, and that's where their minor east eurasian comes from.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 01:07 PM
Mongol influence in Russians is similar like Turkish in Bosniaks, irrelevant.
Slavic settlers in Russia conquered and assimilated Finno-Ugric natives, who were originaly party mongoloid, and that's where their minor east eurasian comes from.
don't be funny.
Even today Russians mix with Tartars who are TURKIC people.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 01:17 PM
Kazakhs for example are all Mongols.
Until 1850 their rulers had "Gengishid, Borjigin, Chagatayid" prefixes.
Kazakhs are turkified Mongols, that is well known fact. Descedants of Golden Horde.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 01:17 PM
don't be funny.
Even today Russians mix with Tartars who are TURKIC people.
It is true, but in Asian Russia.
In European Russia they have their European bassinet in towns which i mentioned above.
don't be funny.
Even today Russians mix with Tartars who are TURKIC people.
Volga Tatars are genetically pred. Finnic people with minor Turkic influence.
EdwardS
03-05-2018, 01:40 PM
Exactly.
lol you trolls! Putin is east Baltid - its Slavic type not uralid!
lol you trolls! Putin is east Baltid - its Slavic type not uralid!
He is Russian type but not really Slavic :)
Because he wouldn't be typical for any Slavic country except Russia.
and east baltic is oginally Finno-Ugric type.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 01:54 PM
He is Russian type but not really Slavic :)
Because he wouldn't be typical for any Slavic country except Russia.
and east baltic is oginally Finno-Ugric type.
It's not uncommon for Lithuanians and Latvians at all.
It's not uncommon for Lithuanians and Latvians at all.
but they are not Slavs at all
MercifulServant
03-05-2018, 02:00 PM
He is Russian type but not really Slavic :)
Because he wouldn't be typical for any Slavic country except Russia.
and east baltic is oginally Finno-Ugric type.
I don't think he would pass very well as a Finn either his phenotype basically only passes in Northern Russia
I don't think he would pass very well as a Finn either his phenotype basically only passes in Northern Russia
I agree. He doesn't look Finnish. He looks simply northern Russian.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:06 PM
but they are not Slavs at all
I said it by the way, becouse she mentioned that is mostly Finno-Ugric phenotype.
I said it by the way, becouse she mentioned that is mostly Finno-Ugric phenotype.
I don't think he would pass well in baltic states. But maybe I'm wrong
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:09 PM
Nikola Jokić is pan-Slavic looking. (i think he can pass in many Slavic countries)
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KYSIseppxObRR_dWRCNcVAbqdVo=/0x275:1359x1181/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/34877351/Jokic.0.jpg
https://cdn.chatsports.com/cache/24/05/24059ffde63deb93d7c98d0ff99a87a2-original.jpg
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:11 PM
I don't think he would pass well in baltic states. But maybe I'm wrong
Maybe he would not. Arshavin would pass definitly.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/10/article-2059714-0D6BE1FE00000578-958_468x343.jpg
You are not Bosniak by ancestry but muslim Serb..
So is Vlatko. He descesnds from Montenegrin Serbs.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:12 PM
So is Vlatko. He descesnds from Montenegrin Serbs.
It is not confirmed. Probably. But it is paternal masculine line only. And yes... My grandfather looked typical Montenegrin Dinarid.
So is Vlatko. He descesnds from Montenegrin Serbs.
By one line ? Genetically he doesn't have much to do with Serbs.
He is much closer to Croats, like majority of Bosnians.
By one line ? Genetically he doesn't have much to do with Serbs.
He is much closer to Croats, like majority of Bosnians.
You're all from Serb sperm.
You're all from Serb sperm.
Actually you western Serbs are posrbice, just like your genetics prove :)
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:16 PM
You are not Bosniak by ancestry but muslim Serb.
Btw , unlike you I have real Bosniak noble origins trough my father.
Jest, a da se autosomalno uklapa sa vama Ujkanima, bio bi "of noble croatian ancestry". Lolčina.
Jest, a da se autosomalno uklapa sa vama Ujkanima, bio bi "of noble croatian ancestry". Lolčina.
What's your problem ?
I posted pictures of my Bosniak ancestors on this site, lot before you joined. Btw, my father is on Serbian DNA projekt anyway (because one Serb friend asked could he add him and I agreed), find him under name Pezić.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:20 PM
What's your problem ?
I posted pictures of my Bosniak ancestors on this site, lot before you joined. Btw, my fathr is on Serbian DNA projekt anyway, find him under name Pezić.
Više nije srećo. I zabole me za tvoje poturčene pretke iskreno.
ALO ĐE SU VAM LIGNJE IZA DŽAMIJE? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Više nije srećo. I zabole me za tvoje poturčene pretke iskreno.
ALO ĐE SU VAM LIGNJE IZA DŽAMIJE? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Who cares, I'm Catholic :laugh:
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:23 PM
Who cares, I'm Catholic :laugh:
Pa ja, užasi postmoderne.
Pa ja, užasi post-moderne.
Ti si prosrbica, mora da se neki Hrvat umješao među tvoje Krajišnike :))))
Zato si i genetski daleko od Srba...
Stears
03-05-2018, 02:26 PM
It is true, but in Asian Russia.
In European Russia they have their European bassinet in towns which i mentioned above.
European Russia is also heavily mongoloid mixed,.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:26 PM
Ti si prosrbica, mora da se neki Hrvat umješao među tvoje Krajišnike :))))
Zato si i genetski daleko od Srba...
Pre svega ja sam blizak Moldavcima, a ne Hrvatima:
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
Krajišnik sam tek 1/8 tj. jedna prababa mi je sa područja nekadašnje RSK, ne više od toga.
A kao drugo, mešanje sa katolicima tj. sklapanje brakovima sa istima je bila potpuno normalna stvar kod Srba u Bosni i hrvatskoj u prošlosti.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:28 PM
You're all from Serb sperm.
And you are not :D
Pre svega ja sam blizak Moldavcima, a ne Hrvatima:
https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg
Krajišnik sam tek 1/8, ne više od toga.
A kao drugo, mešanje sa katolicima tj. sklapanje brakovima sa istima je bila potpuno normalna stvar kod Srba u Bosni i hrvatskoj u prošlosti.
Still closer to Croats than to Serbs.
All nations in Croatia and Bosnia are on average closer to Croats than to Serbs. And Serbs claim Croats are catholic converts ?
It's more the opposite.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:30 PM
European Russia is also heavily mongoloid mixed,.
That's not the case, by any calculators. Even if have, those could be towns around southern Russia. There is no doubt about Western borders of Russia that they're clear of Mongoloid admixture.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:31 PM
Still closer to Croats than to Serbs.
Aln nations in Croatia and Bosnia are on average closer to Croats than to Serbs. And Serbs claim Croats are catholic converts ?
It's more the opposite.
Kao što rekoh, to je zbog mešanja sa katolkinjama, to najviše i utiče na autosomalnu. Y-DNA krajiških Srba ne podržava tvoje navode da se radi o nekakvim "konvertitima" na pravoslavlje. A direktna muška linija u patrijarhalnim društvima kakvo je bilo društvo Srba u Bosni i hrvatskoj je ipak, najbitnija.
Kao što rekoh, to je zbog mešanja sa katolkinjama, to najviše i utiče na autosomalnu. Y-DNA krajiških Srba ne podržava tvoje navode da se radi o nekakvim "konvertitima" na pravoslavlje.
Moguće. Ali mi nemamo hrvatski DNK projekt niti zapravo znamo kakvi su haplotipovi kod nas i koliko su drugačiji od srpskih.
Posebno to nemaju Bošnjaci, i iz financijskih i iz političkih razloga.
Genetika je jako isprepletena sa politkom i ideologijom. Meni ne bi smetalo da je dio Hrvata porijeklom od Srba, Talijana ili ikog drugog, ali ne da se to tvrdi zbog politike, nego jer je to tako.
Isto vrijedi i za Srbe i Bošnjake.
PS što se direktne muške linje tiče, kod Hrvata je to manje zastupljeno nego kod Srba (osim u dinaridima)
Meni je tata po direktnoj muškoj linji Bošnjak, iako je 3/4 Hrvat, katolik, i ima prezime sa majčine strane a ne očeve. Itd.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 02:39 PM
By one line ? Genetically he doesn't have much to do with Serbs.
He is much closer to Croats, like majority of Bosnians.
Ma kakvi Hrvati....
Niko ovdje ne voli da ga se poredi sa Hrvatima... i ste kulturno daleko od Bosne i Srbije
Vi ste stranci na balkanu koji igrom slučaja pričate naš jezik.
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Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:40 PM
Moguće. Ali mi nemamo hrvatski DNK projekt niti zapravo znamo kakvi su haplotipovi kod nas i koliko su drugačiji od srpskih.
Posebno to nemaju Bošnjaci, i iz financijskih i iz političkih razloga.
Genetika je jako isprepletena sa politkom i ideologijom. Meni ne bi smetalo da je dio Hrvata porijeklom od Srba, Talijana ili ikog drugog, ali ne da se to tvrdi zbog politike, nego jer je to tako.
Isto vrijedi i za Srbe i Bošnjake.
Hrvati su, barem pre onome što sam video, minorno poreklom od Srba. Isto je i sa druge strane.
Što se tiče haplotipova, krajiški Srbi pre svega imaju haplogrupe poput J2b1, N2, I1-P109, koje Hrvati nemaju, i tu nema dileme nikakve oko porekla nosioca tih haplogrupa. Čak su i pojedini I2>CTS10228 rodovi drugačiji nego kod Hrvata.
Isto važi i za najrasprostranjeniji R1a>M458>L1029 rod kod Srba u Krajini kome pripadaju i Tesle u Lici, taj rod je inače čest kod svih Srba. Kod Hrvata je češća ako se ne varam M458>L260.
Hrvati su, barem pre onome što sam video, minorno poreklom od Srba. Isto je i sa druge strane.
Što se tiče haplotipova, krajiški Srbi pre svega imaju haplogrupe poput J2b1, N2, I1-P109, koje Hrvati nemaju, i tu nema dileme nikakve oko porekla nosioca tih haplogrupa. Čak su i pojedini I2>CTS10228 rodovi drugačiji nego kod Hrvata.
Isto važi i za najrasprostranjeniji R1a>M458>L1029 rod kod Srba u Krajini kome pripadaju i Tesle u Lici, taj rod je inače čest kod svih Srba. Kod Hrvata je češća ako se ne varam M458>L260.
A PH908 ? Oko njega se vodi najviše polemike.....ja mislim da pripada i jednima i drugima.
Btw, čak i ja imam jako dalekog pretka Srbina xD Srbo Makeridov je po njima meni daleki rod, i kaže da su oni R1a M458. haha
Ma kakvi Hrvati....
Niko ovdje ne voli da ga se poredi sa Hrvatima... i ste kulturno daleko od Bosne i Srbije
Vi ste stranci na balkanu koji igrom slučaja pričate naš jezik.
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Ti nemaš kulture, nego onu bezličnu jugo kulturu tako da sa Hrvatima nemaš ništa (hvala bogu)
Samoj nemoj misliti da tvoja anacionalna ''kultura'' bez identiteta predstavlja Bosnu i Bošnjake.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:48 PM
A PH908 ? Oko njega se vodi najviše polemike.....ja mislim da proipada i jednima i drugima.
Btw, čak i ja imam jako dalekog pretka Srbina xD Srbo Makeridov je po njima meni daleki rod, i kaže da su oni R1a M458. haha
Zavisi iz koje se perspektive gleda. Ja sam lično mišljenja, kao i Cosmo, da su original Srbi i Hrvati bili neka R1a.
Ali što se tiče srednjovekovnog porekla, recimo DYS19=14 PH908 rod koji je čest kod Hrvata iz Dalmacije i zapadne Hercegovine tu definitivno dolazi sa istoka, što zbog toga što se jedna neobjavljena srpska porodica iz istočne Hercegovine koja pripada tom rodu pominje u Popovu Polju još u 14. veku, što zbog toga što takvi haplotipovi postoje i istočnije, u Polimlju, kao i u dalekoj bugarskoj.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:55 PM
Ma kakvi Hrvati....
Niko ovdje ne voli da ga se poredi sa Hrvatima... i ste kulturno daleko od Bosne i Srbije
Vi ste stranci na balkanu koji igrom slučaja pričate naš jezik.
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Po čemu ti definišeš pojam stranac? S obzirom da se i po Y-DNA i po autosomalu BiH i Hrvatska vrlo dobro podudaraju.
Vlatko Vukovic
03-05-2018, 02:57 PM
Zavisi iz koje se perspektive gleda. Ja sam lično mišljenja, kao i Cosmo, da su original Srbi i Hrvati bili neka R1a.
Ali što se tiče srednjovekovnog porekla, recimo DYS19=14 PH908 rod koji je čest kod Hrvata iz Dalmacije i zapadne Hercegovine tu definitivno dolazi sa istoka, što zbog toga što se jedna neobjavljena srpska porodica iz istočne Hercegovine koja pripada tom rodu pominje u Popovu Polju još u 14. veku, što zbog toga što takvi haplotipovi postoje i istočnije, u Polimlju, kao i u dalekoj bugarskoj.
Sve zavisi gdje je živjelo pleme od I2 haplogrupe. Ako je istina da je postojalo neko pleme kod Karpata... onda ne vidim razlog zašto i oni ne bi učestvovali u etnogenezi proto-Srba (slavenskih), da ne ubacujemo sada Sarmatske teorije i dalja moguća porijekla.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 02:59 PM
Sve zavisi gdje je živjelo pleme od I2 haplogrupe. Ako je istina da je postojalo neko pleme kod Karpata... onda ne vidim razlog zašto i oni ne bi učestvovali u etnogenezi proto-Srba (slavenskih), da ne ubacujemo sada Sarmatske teorije i dalja moguća porijekla.
Ima ona teorija o vezi onih nekih českih PH908 sa Srbima, al ja nešto nisam ubedjen u tu teoriju.
Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
03-05-2018, 03:04 PM
Thread has been sucessfully Balkanized.
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Zavisi iz koje se perspektive gleda. Ja sam lično mišljenja, kao i Cosmo, da su original Srbi i Hrvati bili neka R1a.
Ali što se tiče srednjovekovnog porekla, recimo DYS19=14 PH908 rod koji je čest kod Hrvata iz Dalmacije i zapadne Hercegovine tu definitivno dolazi sa istoka, što zbog toga što se jedna neobjavljena srpska porodica iz istočne Hercegovine koja pripada tom rodu pominje u Popovu Polju još u 14. veku, što zbog toga što takvi haplotipovi postoje i istočnije, u Polimlju, kao i u dalekoj bugarskoj.
Zanimljivo. Moj tata ima vrijednost 16 na DYS19 markeru.
Jackson78
03-05-2018, 03:08 PM
Zanimljivo. Moj tata ima vrijednost 16 na DYS19 markeru.
To je modalno za I2a1b na tom markeru, pa i nije baš puno od koristi što se tiče daljeg porekla. Generalno je I2a1b dosta težak za izučavanje nekog relativno skorijeg porekla.
Bosniensis
03-05-2018, 03:13 PM
Po čemu ti definišeš pojam stranac? S obzirom da se i po Y-DNA i po autosomalu BiH i Hrvatska vrlo dobro podudaraju.
Ja živim na granici sa Hrvatskom i znam puno Hrvata.
Hrvati su kulturno potpuno drugačiji narod dok Srbi, Makedonci, Crnogorci su drugačiji
Hrvati su ko Austrijanci nekakav odsutan i letargičan narod... uopste ne razumijem ni njihov humor, ništa ... kao da se nikad ni poznavali nismo.
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