Are Indians truly Caucasoid?

[Profileid]

I've heard this before and don't know if I buy it. They have a verifiable and significant amount of non-Caucasoid which is evident in phenotype and genetic makeup

[Bogdan]

Yes and no. Some Indians are more Caucasoid than others.

[tipirneni]

Indians though there was Caucasoid it is mixed now heavily with SouthEast Asia types, Vedda, Gondid types so many show Caucasoid genes but might look very Indian. There is also Turanic Caucasus type that is there in some communities.

[Kamal900]

Indians though there was Caucasoid it is mixed now heavily with SouthEast Asia types, Vedda, Gondid types so many show Caucasoid genes but might look very Indian. There is also Turanic Caucasus type that is there in some communities.

India is pretty diverse place in terms of genetics and phenotypes. There are Arabs from Yemen in India in Tamil Nadu who are fully Tamilized for example.

[tipirneni]

India is pretty diverse place in terms of genetics and phenotypes. There are Arabs from Yemen in India in Tamil Nadu who are fully Tamilized for example.

yes, there is some arab like old mix found in some tribal which might be Chalcolithic age in South or along coast

[McCloskey]

This is like asking ''are Brazilians truly Caucasoid''?

''India'' is a modern nation created by European colonialism and ''ancient India'' doesn't even correlate with modern borders of Republic of India (it also included Pakistan, parts of Afghanistan and even Southeast Asia). You can find everything in this area, from purely Caucasoid types to purely Mongoloid.

But what we call ''Indians'' (mainstream Indian groups) are usually different percentages of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Veddoid blood.

[LoLeL]

They're more Caucasoid than most of TA members.

[Dragoon]

Wondering if the people who study anthro or whatever, can tell someone who is half Caucasoid and half something else?

Also if caucasoid is more about brainsize/bonesize while not exactly the best term for genetics?

[Profileid]

India is pretty diverse place in terms of genetics and phenotypes. There are Arabs from Yemen in India in Tamil Nadu who are fully Tamilized for example.

Arabs in India? Interesting

[MercifulServant]

I've heard this before and don't know if I buy it. They have a verifiable and significant amount of non-Caucasoid which is evident in phenotype and genetic makeup

Indians is a very broad term. Northern Indians are generally caucasoid yes. Southern Indians are mixed race.

[Kamal900]

Arabs in India? Interesting

Yup. I'll sent you the video later. It's in Arabic though.

[Khamzat]

No genetically they aren't and neither are Pakistani's imo.

[Purohit ji]

Most indian are 30-40% Caucasoid rest asi

[ButlerKing]

Genetics have proven that Indians are mostly a mix of west Eurasian Caucasoids with large admixture of Veddoid proto-Caucasoid.
Indians and South Asians are the only people to have a mixture of ancient Caucasoid in addition to new west Eurasian Caucasoids.

[Token]

Genetics have proven that Indians are mostly a mix of west Eurasian Caucasoids with large admixture of Veddoid proto-Caucasoid.
Indians and South Asians are the only people to have a mixture of ancient Caucasoid in addition to new west Eurasian Caucasoids.

Your 'Veddoid Proto-Caucasoids' are closer related to Japanese than to actual Caucasoids :laugh:

[StonyArabia]

Pred-Caucasoid

[Ülev]

Most indian are 30-40% Caucasoid rest asi

I was going to write something similar, I mean - about percentage

[ButlerKing]

Your 'Veddoid Proto-Caucasoids' are closer related to Japanese than to actual Caucasoids :laugh:

Example of South Indian Veddoid ancestors to modern day Europeans

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HXW-Hxnf1c4/maxresdefault.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Thrace/Chennai_2.JPG

[ButlerKing]

Most indian are 30-40% Caucasoid rest asi

North Indian 50-70% West Eurasian Caucasoid + 30-50% ASI Proto-Caucasoid
South Indians 30-50% ASI proto-Caucasoid + 50-70% West Eurasian Caucasoid

[Smeagol]

No.

[Seya]

Example of South Indian Veddoid ancestors to modern day Europeans

sure..and this is the ancestor of us all :rolleyes:
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/23/17/lucy.jpg

[ButlerKing]

sure..and this is the ancestor of us all :rolleyes:
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/23/17/lucy.jpg


Educate yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBlZl8RON8

[Leto]

IN_Brahmin_WestBengal

HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Kit TT4652422

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 44.19
2 Baloch 31.37
3 NE-Euro 7.25
4 Caucasian 4.48
5 SE-Asian 3.59
6 Mediterranean 3.2
7 Siberian 2.86
8 American 0.97
9 W-African 0.9
10 Beringian 0.71
11 SW-Asian 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 bihari-muslim (harappa) 4.12
2 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 4.77
3 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 5.48
4 vaish (reich) 6.05
5 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.16
6 up (harappa) 6.34
7 maharashtrian (harappa) 6.46
8 bihari (harappa) 6.69
9 meghawal (reich) 7.13
10 ap-brahmin (xing) 7.28
11 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 7.36
12 rajasthani (harappa) 7.53
13 srivastava (reich) 7.53
14 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 7.67
15 caribbean-indian (harappa) 7.67
16 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 7.93
17 gujarati (harappa) 7.96
18 tn-brahmin (xing) 8.02
19 bengali (harappa) 8.24
20 sri-lankan (harappa) 8.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 32% sahariya (reich) @ 3.16
2 94.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.7% bonda (chaubey) @ 3.16
3 94.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.7% juang (chaubey) @ 3.17
4 68.3% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 31.7% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 3.21
5 73.3% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 26.7% asur (chaubey) @ 3.21
6 53.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 46.4% satnami (reich) @ 3.26
7 94.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.7% savara (chaubey) @ 3.26
8 94.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.7% kharia (chaubey) @ 3.26
9 92% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 8% sahariya (reich) @ 3.27
10 74% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 26% santhal (reich) @ 3.29
11 70.6% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 29.4% nihali (metspalu) @ 3.29
12 94.4% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.6% ho (chaubey) @ 3.3
13 81.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 18.2% tharu (reich) @ 3.31
14 91.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% asur (chaubey) @ 3.35
15 85.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 14.4% great-andamanese (reich) @ 3.37
16 89.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 10.4% sahariya (reich) @ 3.39
17 92.2% up (harappa) + 7.8% hungarian (behar) @ 3.4
18 94.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 5.9% asur (chaubey) @ 3.41
19 88.1% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 11.9% gond (metspalu) @ 3.41
20 92% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 8% santhal (reich) @ 3.41


IN_Brahmin_Gujarat

HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Kit GY7192599

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 39.78
2 S-Indian 38.14
3 Caucasian 9.97
4 NE-Euro 8.98
5 Siberian 1.03
6 Mediterranean 0.8
7 American 0.67
8 E-African 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.42
2 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.57
3 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.71
4 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.88
5 up-brahmin (harappa) 5.5
6 punjabi (harappa) 5.75
7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.93
8 up-muslim (harappa) 7.23
9 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 7.43
10 gujarati-b (hapmap) 7.48
11 nepalese-a (xing) 7.91
12 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 8.28
13 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.3
14 meghawal (reich) 8.85
15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.86
16 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 8.86
17 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9
18 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.04
19 vaish (reich) 9.09
20 kashmiri (harappa) 9.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 17.6% velama (metspalu) @ 1.84
2 86.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 13.3% vysya (reich) @ 1.88
3 70.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 29.6% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 1.97
4 85.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 14.6% kurumba (metspalu) @ 1.97
5 84.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 15.6% tamil-vellalar (harappa) @ 1.97
6 56.3% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 43.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 1.98
7 69.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 30.1% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 1.98
8 81.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 18.3% karnataka (harappa) @ 2.01
9 70.4% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 29.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.03
10 84.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 15.3% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.03
11 86.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 13.6% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 2.03
12 76.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 23.2% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) @ 2.04
13 86.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 13.7% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) @ 2.05
14 67.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 32.1% meghawal (reich) @ 2.07
15 72% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 28% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.07
16 85.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 14.1% naidu (reich) @ 2.1
17 66.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 33.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.1
18 81.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 18.7% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 2.1
19 84.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 15.3% lodi (reich) @ 2.1
20 74.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 25.9% rajasthani (harappa) @ 2.13

[Leto]

They are part of the Papuan facade (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?192286-Are-Pashtuns-part-of-the-Papuan-Fa%E7ade/page42&highlight=Papua+facade) :D

[Smeagol]

ButlerKing is lost in a fantasy world.

[Kamal900]

ButlerKing is lost in a fantasy world.

Tell me about it, lol. He's not British but rather Indian pretending to be British..just like those fake scammers.

[Smeagol]

Tell me about it, lol. He's not British but rather Indian pretending to be British..just like those fake scammers.

Which shows an inferiority complex. He thinks no one will take him seriously if he isn't a white guy.

[sailormoon]

The Indian population was formed by the admixture between two main ancestral populations, Ancient North Indians (ANI) related to West Eurasians and Ancient South Indians (ASI), who were native to South Asia. West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups (paternal lines) such as R1a and R1b make up ~50–90% across the Indian Subcontinent, which were later introduced by Bronze Age steppe herders to India who were mostly male. Ancient South Indians (ASI) carried the predominantly South and East Asian mtDNA haplogroup M (maternal line), which is found at 60.4% among the modern Indian population.

https://i.postimg.cc/MHRcQ18P/12862-2017-936-Fig2-HTML.jpg
Fig. 2
a ADMIXTURE analysis for K = 7. b PCA of South Asian populations. Detailed information on the populations included in the Additional file 1: Table S3. Note that the three typical European components are not detected here in the Tuscans, probably due to the small overall European representation in the analysis



The current paradigm for explaining modern Indian population structure suggests that they derive from admixture between two main ancestral populations, Ancient North Indians (ANI) and Ancient South Indians (ASI) [25], with the proximity of Pakistani groups and Gujaratis to Southwest Asians due to high levels of ANI ancestry [25], which my have arrived in two waves [24]. However, our mtDNA results (and the current GW analysis) suggest that the process is likely to have been much more complex. The profile for Pakistani populations is likely the result of at least four waves of dispersal into the region, involving all three of the inferred ancestral West Eurasian components, from at least as far back as the LGM through into the Bronze Age. The Yamnaya aDNA samples are scattered around the Central Asian and Pakistani groups (Additional file 1: Figure S8), confirming the ADMIXTURE results (Additional file 1: Figure S6), and suggesting links between the Bronze Age Steppe and today’s Central Asia and Indian Subcontinent. Pakistanis and Gujaratis appear much more scattered in PC1 than other South Asians, which only show substantial divergence in the lower-weight PC2 (9.1%) and PC3 (6.3%) (Fig. 2b, Additional file 1: Figure S7).

Comparing marker systems: Massively different ancestry on the male and female lines of descent

The mtDNA patterns suggest much higher levels of autochthonous variation on the maternal line (~70–90%) compared to the overall GW estimate (about a half to two-thirds), the implications of which we further explored by studying Y-chromosome lineages. We used the five South Asian 1KGP populations, which comprise unbiased population data, and are the only available datasets that can be simultaneously analysed for GW, mtDNA and Y-chromosome variation. A markedly higher proportion of male lineages of likely West Eurasian origin, of ~50–90%, is evident across the Subcontinent (Fig. 3c), in comparison with both the maternal line (Fig. 3b) and the GW pattern (Fig. 3d). A sex-biased pattern is also seen in the East Asian fraction, but is much less marked, with a much lower contribution overall and mainly focused on speakers of Tibeto-Burman and Austroasiatic language families [22].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5364613/

[Seya]

Educate yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBlZl8RON8

how is this contradicting what i said?