Guess this person from their MDLP K23 result.

[Sikeliot]

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.87
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.29
3 Near_East 13.13
4 North_African 8.75
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.52
6 South_Central_Asian 6.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French_Jew_ @ 2.876904
2 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.077837
3 Turk_Jew_ @ 4.245574
4 Italian_Jew_ @ 4.290842
5 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 4.434597
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 4.816359
7 Maltese_ @ 5.601865
8 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 5.911347
9 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.006013
10 Cretan_ @ 6.197350
11 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.537410
12 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 6.831237
13 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 7.171824
14 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.388502
15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.390922
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.969403
17 Italian_South_ @ 8.532759
18 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.682467
19 Greek_Islands_ @ 8.927622
20 Syrian_Jew_ @ 10.659574

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jew_ +50% Sicilian_East_ @ 1.502624


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan_ +25% Libyan_Jew_ +25% Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 1.274501

[Bobby Martnen]

Cretan?

[Kouros]

Cretan

[Sikeliot]

Other guesses?

[Damião de Góis]

Portuguese from western Madeira?

[Teucer]

Cretan

[Sikeliot]

I am interested what is making everyone say Crete.

[Bobby Martnen]

I am interested what is making everyone say Crete.

Seems like it shifts somewhat East away from Sicily, but not enough to be a Cypriot. On that map I made of averages you posted last week, Crete shifts east of Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Seems like it shifts somewhat East away from Sicily, but not enough to be a Cypriot. On that map I made of averages you posted last week, Crete shifts east of Sicily.

Crete shifts east of Sicily, but not toward Cyprus (this is because they have Balto-Slavic DNA and Sicilians have Italo-Celtic). The Sicilians were closer to Cyprus than the Cretan sample.

[Teucer]

I remember a similar set of results for a cretan which had French Jew really high up which really surprised me

[Bobby Martnen]

Crete shifts east of Sicily, but not toward Cyprus (this is because they have Balto-Slavic DNA and Sicilians have Italo-Celtic). The Sicilians were closer to Cyprus than the Cretan sample.

Is Italo-Celtic at all related to the Celtic peoples that still exist like Irish and Scottish?

[Bobby Martnen]

I remember a similar set of results for a cretan which had French Jew really high up which really surprised me

OY VEY!!! :jew:

[Sikeliot]

Is Italo-Celtic at all related to the Celtic peoples that still exist like Irish and Scottish?

No idea. But I am unsure why you think Cretans plot closer to Cyprus than the Sicilians did, what you posted showed the opposite:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73013&d=1519974618

[Sikeliot]

I remember a similar set of results for a cretan which had French Jew really high up which really surprised me

I don't know. What i am surprised is everyone is guessing this person as Cretan when it's #10 on the list.

[Bobby Martnen]

No idea. But I am unsure why you think Cretans plot closer to Cyprus than the Sicilians did, what you posted showed the opposite:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73013&d=1519974618

Because Cretans are east of Sicilians, and there were so many different Sicilian samples that I don't know where the actual island-wide average would be.

[Sikeliot]

Because Cretans are east of Sicilians, and there were so many different Sicilian samples that I don't know where the actual island-wide average would be.

The Cretans are as far north (i.e. have as much Northern European type DNA) as the northernmost plotting Sicilians. The difference is much of that is East Euro vs West Euro, so it puts them east.

The samples closer to Cypriots are Dodecanese, Messina, Calabria, Catania, Cyclades, Palermo, and Agrigento.

[Lavrentis]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73013&d=1519974618

Cretans are east of Ukrainians in that PCA, therefore plotting east doesn’t indicate Slavic components if I’m reading the plot correctly


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[Bobby Martnen]

The Cretans are as far north (i.e. have as much Northern European type DNA) as the northernmost plotting Sicilians. The difference is much of that is East Euro vs West Euro, so it puts them east.

The samples closer to Cypriots are Dodecanese, Messina, Calabria, Catania, Cyclades, Palermo, and Agrigento.

Do you know what's up with the NW-shifted Palermitans? It's almost like there's an internal division in the province. (I'm beginning to suspect my great-grandfather was fairly northern-plotting, based on where my mother plots relative to her father)

[Kouros]

There is no Slavic admixture in Crete...

[Sikeliot]

Cretans are east of Ukrainians in that PCA, therefore plotting east doesn’t indicate Slavic components if I’m reading the plot correctly

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Then it could be a trade off of Caucasus vs West Med.

West Med shifts Sicily toward Sardinia and North Africa as opposed to Georgia, Chechens, etc.

But as you can see, the Cretans plot less 'Levantine' and further from Cyprus than do most Sicilians, the Cyclades, etc.

[Sikeliot]

Do you know what's up with the NW-shifted Palermitans? It's almost like there's an internal division in the province. (I'm beginning to suspect my great-grandfather was fairly northern-plotting, based on where my mother plots relative to her father)

Those closer to the Trapani border most likely.

[Sikeliot]

Because Cretans are east of Sicilians, and there were so many different Sicilian samples that I don't know where the actual island-wide average would be.


If not due to Slavic input then this could be also due to, if you look at Crete vs Trapani, the former shift toward the Caucasus and the latter toward North Africa. this is due to the Caucasus vs West Med components.

But it definitely looks to me like Cretans plot further from Cyprus than most of the Sicilians. Don't you think?

[Bobby Martnen]

If not due to Slavic input then this could be also due to, if you look at Crete vs Trapani, the former shift toward the Caucasus and the latter toward North Africa. this is due to the Caucasus vs West Med components.

But it definitely looks to me like Cretans plot further from Cyprus than most of the Sicilians. Don't you think?

You're probably right, although I do think a Cretan and a Cypriot have more in common culturally than either does with a Sicilian.

Also, how come you're not a fan of Trump?

[Lavrentis]

Anyway, I think it’s time for Sikeliot to reveal the person’s ethnicity


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[Sikeliot]

What shocked me is that Crete is not as Sicilian-like as expected, they shift north of most of them also.

[Sikeliot]

You're probably right, although I do think a Cretan and a Cypriot have more in common culturally than either does with a Sicilian.

Well of course, both are Greek. Cypriots are culturally closer to Greece rather than to Levantines also, despite their DNA. Cypriots identify with Europe also.

[Tauromachos]

What shocked me is that Crete is not as Sicilian-like as expected, they shift north of most of them also.

Why is this shocking?

[Sikeliot]

Anyway, I think it’s time for Sikeliot to reveal the person’s ethnicity


Sicilian, from Messina.

[Sikeliot]

Why is this shocking?


Because I wouldn't have expected them to shift as north as Trapani but they do. Though the Sarno study put most of Crete in the Apulia/Trapani cluster, not the Calabria/East Central Sicily one. So this implies north also.

[Tauromachos]

Crete shifts east of Sicily, but not toward Cyprus (this is because they have Balto-Slavic DNA.

:bored:

[kleenex]

[QUOTE=Sikeliot;5006928]Then it could be a trade off of Caucasus vs West Med.

West Med shifts Sicily toward Sardinia and North Africa as opposed to Georgia, Chechens, etc.

But as you can see, the Cretans plot less 'Levantine' and further from Cyprus than do most Sicilians, the Cyclades, etc.[/QUOTE/}


How is it possible that Cyclades plot South of Dodecanese Islands since those Islands are close to Achaea and actually include a part of Euboea. That sample has to be an outlier.

[Sikeliot]

[QUOTE=Sikeliot;5006928]Then it could be a trade off of Caucasus vs West Med.

West Med shifts Sicily toward Sardinia and North Africa as opposed to Georgia, Chechens, etc.

But as you can see, the Cretans plot less 'Levantine' and further from Cyprus than do most Sicilians, the Cyclades, etc.[/QUOTE}
How is it possible that Cyclades plot South of Dodecanese Islands since those Islands are close to Achaea and actually include a part of Euboea. That sample has to be an outlier.


No idea. I was surprised also because from the Oracles, it seemed unlikely they'd plot there. Still, it is not a Cyclades sample from all islands, just people from Andros.

[kleenex]

[QUOTE=kleenex;5007196]


No idea. I was surprised also because from the Oracles, it seemed unlikely they'd plot there. Still, it is not a Cyclades sample from all islands, just people from Andros.

Ok that makes sense.

[kleenex]

I think that all Greek Islands are pretty unique in that they were so isolated from Slavic and/or NE Euro input for so long that they developed their own genetic identity.

[Sikeliot]

Ok that makes sense.

This is another partial Cyclades result. This person is half from Amorgos and half from Crete. They would likely plot close to "Central Greek".

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.7
2 West_Med 17.12
3 West_Asian 16.08
4 North_Sea 11.24
5 Atlantic 9.97
6 Baltic 6.69
7 Red_Sea 5.03
8 Eastern_Euro 3.51
9 Oceanian 0.62
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.46
12 Southeast_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.36
2 East_Sicilian 4.66
3 South_Italian 5.24
4 Ashkenazi 5.57
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.12
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.46
7 Italian_Jewish 8.82
8 West_Sicilian 9.15
9 Greek 9.34
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.15
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.86
12 Tuscan 12.65
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.83
14 Cyprian 13.9
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.24
16 Bulgarian 16.24
17 Lebanese_Muslim 17.04
18 Turkish 17.08
19 Syrian 18
20 Romanian 18.2

[kleenex]

This is what I would expect a Euboean result to look like or even a normal Cycladic result. I've seen Euboean results even closer to Peloponnese or Thessaly so how could Cyclades be so far South shifted unless there is pretty significant variation in the Cyclades (more so than other Aegean Islanders).

[kleenex]

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.87
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.29
3 Near_East 13.13
4 North_African 8.75
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.52
6 South_Central_Asian 6.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French_Jew_ @ 2.876904
2 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.077837
3 Turk_Jew_ @ 4.245574
4 Italian_Jew_ @ 4.290842
5 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 4.434597
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 4.816359
7 Maltese_ @ 5.601865
8 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 5.911347
9 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.006013
10 Cretan_ @ 6.197350
11 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.537410
12 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 6.831237
13 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 7.171824
14 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.388502
15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.390922
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.969403
17 Italian_South_ @ 8.532759
18 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.682467
19 Greek_Islands_ @ 8.927622
20 Syrian_Jew_ @ 10.659574

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jew_ +50% Sicilian_East_ @ 1.502624


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan_ +25% Libyan_Jew_ +25% Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 1.274501

I would guess Western Sicilian not sure which region.

[Sikeliot]

This is what I would expect a Euboean result to look like or even a normal Cycladic result. I've seen Euboean results even closer to Peloponnese or Thessaly so how could Cyclades be so far South shifted unless there is pretty significant variation in the Cyclades (more so than other Aegean Islanders).

Maybe it is something specific to Andros, I have no idea. But the results on an individual level who went into that average do not seem exotic to me.

[Sikeliot]

I would guess Western Sicilian not sure which region.

Messina. Messina is similar to Palermo, Catania, Calabria, Agrigento.

[kleenex]

Messina. Messina is similar to Palermo, Catania, Calabria, Agrigento.

Not surprised by the results I've seen. Not sure why others would have thought Crete, Dodecanese or Cyclades.

[Sikeliot]

Not surprised by the results I've seen. Not sure why others would have thought Crete, Dodecanese or Cyclades.

It could be more Dodecanese based on what I have seen.