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Sikeliot
03-10-2018, 04:23 AM
Sarno et al proposes that yes, they do have Albanian input and plot nearer Albanians and mainland Greeks.

I often suspect some of the 'Greek' genetic signal in western Sicily could be from assimilated Arbereshe as well as actual Greeks.

The first is half Arbereshe from Contessa Entellina and half Palermitan, the second is half Arbereshe from Palazzo Adriano and half from Agrigento.

Half Arbereshe:


Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.98
2 Atlantic_Med 27.61
3 North_European 15.94
4 Southwest_Asian 11.27
5 Gedrosia 6.27
6 Northwest_African 3.37
7 Siberian 1.09
8 East_African 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.28
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.37
3 Greek (Dodecad) 6.38
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.82
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.94
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.71
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.02
8 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.2
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.66
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.77
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.38
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.56
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 19.01
14 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 19.31
15 Cypriots (Behar) 19.48
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.98
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.1
18 Romanians (Behar) 20.45
19 Turks (Behar) 22.61
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.7
2 91% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 1.76
3 91.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.8
4 90.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.1% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 1.98
5 92.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.99
6 92.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.01
7 91.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.08
8 91.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.11
9 91.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.19
10 91.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.7% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.21
11 93% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.27
12 92.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
13 90.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.28
14 91.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.31
15 73.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.36
16 92.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
17 93.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 6.9% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.41
18 91.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.7% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.44
19 80.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.49
20 88.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.54


Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.53
2 West_Med 17.09
3 West_Asian 14.48
4 Atlantic 13.81
5 North_Sea 10.66
6 Red_Sea 5.43
7 Baltic 5.21
8 Eastern_Euro 4.56
9 Siberian 1.2
10 South_Asian 0.64
11 Northeast_African 0.39
12 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 2.89
2 East_Sicilian 3.33
3 Italian_Abruzzo 3.84
4 Ashkenazi 4.98
5 South_Italian 5.04
6 West_Sicilian 5.63
7 Greek 7.63
8 Greek_Thessaly 8
9 Italian_Jewish 8.79
10 Tuscan 9.36
11 Sephardic_Jewish 9.64
12 Algerian_Jewish 10.64
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.11
14 Bulgarian 14.8
15 Libyan_Jewish 15.48
16 North_Italian 15.77
17 Cyprian 16.02
18 Romanian 16.68
19 Turkish 18.23
20 Lebanese_Muslim 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Central_Greek + 25.1% West_Sicilian @ 2.32
2 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% Chuvash @ 2.36
3 97.8% Central_Greek + 2.2% Selkup @ 2.39
4 59.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.7% Ashkenazi @ 2.39
5 97.8% Central_Greek + 2.2% Ket @ 2.42
6 65.7% Central_Greek + 34.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.44
7 97.4% Central_Greek + 2.6% Shors @ 2.45
8 97% Central_Greek + 3% Mari @ 2.47
9 97.6% Central_Greek + 2.4% Hakas @ 2.51
10 94.2% Central_Greek + 5.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.54
11 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.55
12 98.4% Central_Greek + 1.6% Dolgan @ 2.55
13 98.2% Central_Greek + 1.8% Saqqaq @ 2.56
14 89.9% South_Italian + 10.1% East_Finnish @ 2.56
15 98.6% Central_Greek + 1.4% Evens @ 2.56
16 98.2% Central_Greek + 1.8% Tuvinian @ 2.56
17 97.1% Central_Greek + 2.9% Chuvash @ 2.57
18 98.6% Central_Greek + 1.4% Evenki @ 2.57
19 98.5% Central_Greek + 1.5% Yakut @ 2.57
20 98.4% Central_Greek + 1.6% Koryak @ 2.57

MDLP:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.68
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.21
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.14
4 Near_East 9.97
5 South_Central_Asian 5.12
6 North_African 4.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.42
8 East_Siberian 1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.464141
2 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.846671
3 Ashkenazi_ @ 4.471693
4 Romanian_Jew_ @ 4.676789
5 Sicilian_West_ @ 5.006350
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.472049
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.000941
8 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 6.090381
9 Italian_South_ @ 6.328456
10 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 6.496819
11 Sicilian_Center_ @ 6.515212
12 Greek_ @ 6.548985
13 Central_Greek_ @ 6.680974
14 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.763223
15 Cretan_ @ 6.874460
16 Maltese_ @ 7.549842
17 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.701560
18 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.813131
19 French_Jew_ @ 8.558487
20 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.875375

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Phokaia_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 2.251173




Half Arbereshe:


Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.42
2 Atlantic_Med 27.04
3 North_European 16.02
4 Southwest_Asian 12.46
5 Gedrosia 6.04
6 Northwest_African 2.99
7 South_Asian 0.66
8 East_Asian 0.66
9 Sub_Saharan 0.37
10 East_African 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.56
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.82
3 Greek (Dodecad) 6.72
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.74
5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.77
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.4
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.36
8 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.06
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.2
10 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.13
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.29
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.94
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.96
14 Cypriots (Behar) 19.35
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 19.38
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.2
17 Romanians (Behar) 20.38
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.39
19 Turks (Behar) 22.66
20 Lebanese (Behar) 22.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.08
2 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.1
3 76.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.13
4 91% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.2
5 69.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.24
6 91.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.24
7 92.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.33
8 92.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.35
9 65.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 34.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.39
10 91.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.43
11 92.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.44
12 92.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.45
13 90.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.46
14 90.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.5
15 91.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 8.5% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.54
16 69.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 30.9% British (Dodecad) @ 2.55
17 69.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 30.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.58
18 69.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 30.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
19 68.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 31.2% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.62
20 69.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 30.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.63


Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.49
2 West_Med 18
3 West_Asian 13.73
4 North_Sea 12.62
5 Atlantic 11.62
6 Red_Sea 5.72
7 Baltic 4.6
8 Eastern_Euro 3.68
9 Amerindian 0.83
10 Sub-Saharan 0.53
11 Oceanian 0.44
12 South_Asian 0.38
13 Southeast_Asian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.09
2 East_Sicilian 4.22
3 Ashkenazi 5.46
4 South_Italian 5.54
5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.8
6 West_Sicilian 7.03
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.1
8 Italian_Jewish 8.24
9 Greek 9.48
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.03
11 Tuscan 10.22
12 Algerian_Jewish 10.36
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.14
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.28
15 Cyprian 15.8
16 Bulgarian 16.18
17 North_Italian 16.49
18 Romanian 17.84
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.96
20 Turkish 19.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.3% Cyprian + 36.7% French @ 3.28
2 50.5% Greek_Thessaly + 49.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.32
3 60.5% Cyprian + 39.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.57
4 87.9% Central_Greek + 12.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.62
5 80.7% Central_Greek + 19.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.69
6 93.7% Central_Greek + 6.3% Algerian @ 3.76
7 72.5% Central_Greek + 27.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.81
8 65.7% Cyprian + 34.3% West_German @ 3.84
9 95% Central_Greek + 5% Moroccan @ 3.85
10 88% Central_Greek + 12% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.87
11 95.5% Central_Greek + 4.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.89
12 56.5% Central_Greek + 43.5% East_Sicilian @ 3.9
13 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Tunisian @ 3.91
14 95.3% Central_Greek + 4.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.92
15 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% West_German @ 3.95
16 95.7% Central_Greek + 4.3% Portuguese @ 3.95
17 56.6% Greek_Thessaly + 43.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.95
18 96.3% Central_Greek + 3.7% Egyptian @ 3.96
19 85% Central_Greek + 15% West_Sicilian @ 3.96
20 90.8% South_Italian + 9.2% North_Swedish @ 3.96


MDLP:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.55
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.54
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.35
4 Near_East 10.00
5 South_Central_Asian 5.37
6 North_African 5.33
7 Austronesian 1.14
8 Amerindian 1.08


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.205432
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.234802
3 Ashkenazi_ @ 3.429777
4 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.279810
5 Sicilian_West_ @ 4.569479
6 Romanian_Jew_ @ 5.020440
7 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 5.204695
8 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 5.926486
9 Italian_South_ @ 6.126433
10 Sicilian_Center_ @ 6.282828
11 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.408177
12 Maltese_ @ 6.763021
13 Cretan_ @ 6.964796
14 Greek_ @ 7.060069
15 Central_Greek_ @ 7.296144
16 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.745547
17 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.788388
18 French_Jew_ @ 7.822217
19 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.981837
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 9.170535

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Jew_ +50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 1.987264

Sikeliot
03-10-2018, 04:25 AM
Both are close to "Central Greek" on GEDmatch which is a cluster comprising of Athenians, Euboeans, and the Aegean islands directly east of there. They also have some "northeastern" type input compared to the South Italian average, not unlike Apulians and Syracusans.

What is interesting is both individuals are Italian American.

Bobby Martnen
03-10-2018, 04:27 AM
Are either of these individuals related to the 1/4 Arbereshe one I sent you a couple days ago?

Sikeliot
03-10-2018, 04:36 AM
Are either of these individuals related to the 1/4 Arbereshe one I sent you a couple days ago?

First one is. I was wrong, they were half Arbereshe not 1/4.

Bobby Martnen
03-10-2018, 04:42 AM
First one is. I was wrong, they were half Arbereshe not 1/4.

The first one is D***** G******?

Kelmendasi
03-10-2018, 04:14 PM
Well obviously they have Albanian input as Arbereshe are Albanians.

Lucas
03-10-2018, 06:39 PM
Can you post K36?

Bobby Martnen
03-10-2018, 09:04 PM
Can you post K36?

Here it is for the first one, cause Sikeliot got that one from me. I don't have the GEDmatch ID for the second one, sorry.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.37
Armenian 5.63
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.29
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.76
East_Med 19.62
Eastern_Euro 2.49
Fennoscandian -
French 0.89
Iberian 11.66
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.71
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.18
North_African 1.81
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 3.17
North_Sea 7.61
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.19
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.18
West_Med 7.44

Tauromachos
03-10-2018, 09:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtVHRHu-N58


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gN0ga2vj50

Lucas
03-10-2018, 10:54 PM
BTW De Niro is mostly Dinaroid.

Tauromachos
03-10-2018, 10:56 PM
BTW De Niro is mostly Dinaroid.

Not sure...

He looks convincingly South Italian to me but not Mena type like lol

Ylla
03-10-2018, 11:35 PM
It's difficult to tell with gedmatch, do you have studies which measure ibd? They are heavily mixed with locals by now but also we may have received other influences ..

Italicus
04-14-2021, 05:01 AM
This is very interesting. Does this mean full Arbereshe mantained their original genetic makeup bt endogamy? Because Central Greek in the oracles is equidistant to Sicilians and Albanians.