Rank these Lebanese best/worst: for a rep comment

[Sikeliot]

Iberia
South Italy/Sicily
Greece
Morocco
Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/05/05/30E5F77400000578-3432932-image-a-2_1454650424766.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/charbel-sleiman-son-of-lebanese-army-chief-and-presidential-hopeful-picture-id81234145
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AT8APD/beirut-lebanon-lebanese-family-AT8APD.jpg
https://yallaabudhabi.ae/yalla2018/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/lebanese-comedy-show.png
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/family-at-the-lebanese-festival-at-our-lady-of-lebanon-maronite-picture-id814484878
https://www.michelmoawad.com/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2016/03/mouawad-family.gif
https://i2.wp.com/d3m7xw68ay40x8.cloudfront.net/assets/2017/01/31113930/saleh-family.jpg?resize=1000%2C667&ssl=1
https://www.travelportland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/74A8031-crop.jpg
http://www.cateringbylt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/family_bg-1024x640.jpg
https://scontent.fnyc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22308692_1695381233806393_3963745145481172913_n.jp g?oh=9ba9d6631edc4f211676486d6c0a8b7e&oe=5B07D427

[Bobby Martnen]

Morocco > Saudi > Greece > Sicily > Spain > Afghan

[Kivan]

South Italy/Sicily.

Edit: SI/Sicily > Greece > Morocco > Saudi > Spain > Afghanistan.

[Sikeliot]

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[AK-47]

Iberia
Morocco
South Italy/Sicily
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Afghanistan

[Sikeliot]

Also remember to rank out the entire list, even if you vote.

[Voskos]

Morocco
South Italy
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Afgh
Iberia

[TheForeigner]

South Italy/Sicily is the best fit imo, followed by Greece, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Iberia and Afghanistan.

[Maintenance]

Morocco
Afghanistan
South Italy/Sicily
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Iberia

[Tauromachos]

They don't strike me for neither of the choices.

All pictures have some indivduals that can pass as one or the other thing but most look different in feature,from South Italians for that matter
as well.

The most Sicilian looking ones are these here so farhttps://i2.wp.com/d3m7xw68ay40x8.cloudfront.net/assets/2017/01/31113930/saleh-family.jpg?resize=1000%2C667&ssl=1

https://www.travelportland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/74A8031-crop.jpg

[Odin]

Morocco
South Italy/Sicily
Iberia
Greece
Afghanistan
Saudi Arabia

[Sikeliot]

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[Sikeliot]

Other thoughts?

[Zroota]

Accidentally did Afghanistan. Lol.

Sicily
Morocco
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Iberia
Afghanistan

[FYCW Parasite]

voted.

[Mingle]

South Italy
Greece
Morocco
Iberia
Saudi Arabia
Iberia
Afghanistan

Random question, but why do you always include Afghanistan in these polls? Afghans look quite different. Wouldm't it make more sense to include Turkey or Iran?

[Bobby Martnen]

Are they Christians or Moslems?

[Ylla]

This set looks way more med than one you posted before,
Sicily but noticeable differences, Saudi least

[Zroota]

Are they Christians or Moslems?
I noticed something about Lebanese people is that those who are more Med in appearance are Christian, whilst those who are more Arabid tend to be Muslim. This is because those who didn't interbred with Arabs remained Christian.

[Latinus]

I noticed something about Lebanese people is that those who are more Med in appearance are Christian, whilst those who are more Arabid tend to be Muslim. This is because those who didn't interbred with Arabs remained Christian.

This. These christians are the ones who tend to overlap with Southern Euros.

[Zroota]

This. These christians are the ones who tend to overlap with Southern Euros.
Overlap as in they're the most similar to southern euros or they have mixed with them?

Because pure, native Levantines and northern Mesopotamians with no Arab (or southern European) admixture generally look that way.

[Mbreti]

I noticed something about Lebanese people is that those who are more Med in appearance are Christian, whilst those who are more Arabid tend to be Muslim. This is because those who didn't interbred with Arabs remained Christian.

Arabs are meds , atleast Arab proper.. there are some other arab groups mixed with veddoids but its a non exististing element in lebanese afaik.

The Mediterranean race in Arabia (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI2.htm)

People here are just claiming the most South European looking people as meds while the med race stretches all the way to India and horn of Africa, some of these of course are mixed like the latter with veddoids and negroids

Lebanese are Dinarics or Meds in general actually.

[Mingle]

Overlap as in they're the most similar to southern euros or they have mixed with them?

Because pure, native Levantines and northern Mesopotamians with no Arab (or southern European) admixture generally look that way.Even though Lebanese Muslims have a bit extra Arab blood than Lebanese Christians, they also have a bit extra crusader blood. In the end, they end up plotting north of the Christians and are closer to Sicilians than Lebanese Christians are on average.

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[ovidiu]

I think they look like what they are, from the Levant. I'd say Anatolia, some parts of North Africa, the rest of the Middle East.

They honestly don't strike me as that Italian or Greek looking, aside from maybe a few individuals, and are not genetically close. I'm surprised these threads constantly come up here, and often from a guy who's actually Sicilian of all people. Most others from there seem to want to distance themselves as much as they can from the Middle East. It's an interesting dynamic on this forum lol. I wonder if that's due to the genetic tests people take, and Near Eastern showing up on there.

[Haider]

Even though Lebanese Muslims have a bit extra Arab blood than Lebanese Christians, they also have a bit extra crusader blood. In the end, they end up plotting north of the Christians and are closer to Sicilians than Lebanese Christians are on average.

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Actually, if you check gedmatch averages you'll notice Muslims actually score slightly less Arabian-like (Red sea, south west asian etc) admixture than Christians. It's difficult to quantify how much actual Arabian input there is given the Natufians who correspond about half of Lebanese dna were already very Arabian-like people genetically. My guess it's mostly native for both.

What Muslims do score higher than Christians and people don't seem to talk about is proper west asian and caucasus-like admixture. That's why Muslims are also genetically closer to Assyrians than Christians. It's also a hint that the only 'Arabians' they mixed with were arabized people from Syria and northern Iraq, which makes much more sense.

The problem is people think just because Palestinian Muslims are indeed much more Arabian than their Christian counterparts the same should be true for north levantines (Lebanese and western syrians).

[Sikeliot]

Actually, if you check gedmatch averages you'll notice Muslims actually score slightly less Arabian-like (Red sea, south west asian etc) admixture than Christians. It's difficult to quantify how much actual Arabian input there is given the Natufians who correspond about half of Lebanese dna were already very Arabian-like people genetically. My guess it's mostly native for both.

What Muslims do score higher than Christians and people don't seem to talk about is proper west asian and caucasus-like admixture. That's why Muslims are also genetically closer to Assyrians than Christians. It's also a hint that the only 'Arabians' they mixed with were arabized people from Syria and northern Iraq, which makes much more sense.

The problem is people think just because Palestinian Muslims are indeed much more Arabian than their Christian counterparts the same should be true for north levantines (Lebanese and western syrians).


To me, it seems like higher Norman type input in the Muslims makes a greater difference than the extra SSA they supposedly have or extra Arabian. Lebanese Muslims come up several percentage points higher for Sicilians on their Eurogenes oracles, and this is clearly due to West European input.

[Sikeliot]

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[Sikeliot]

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[Teucer]

Really hard to say. I feel like a West Asian country would be the best fit here. I think most of them are quite dark even for certain pockets of the Sicilian population

[Hadouken]

Really hard to say. I feel like a West Asian country would be the best fit here.

you dont say :p

[Mmmmm]

My vote goes to Sicily, then maybe greece/morocco.

[Sikeliot]

My vote goes to Sicily, then maybe greece/morocco.


Do more fit as Saudis or as Spaniards to you?

[Teucer]

you dont say :p

I just read the title of thread...

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, OKAY?

[Mmmmm]

Do more fit as Saudis or as Spaniards to you?

My honest opinion is Spain.

[ovidiu]

Romans never really colonized the Middle East/Levant though. And Latin was never really spoken there. It was always part of the Greek realm, even within the Roman empire. In contrast, there was some Hellenistic era Greek settlement of the Levant. But they were never the majority, of course, and always outnumbered by the local populace. Perhaps from their assimilated descendants come the early Christians and the eastern sects of Orthodoxy there, like Syrian Orthodox, Maronites, etc. I think Lebanese were mainly from Phoenicians and things like that, with a small amount of the Muslims from the Arabs themselves.

[Kamal900]

Morocco > Saudi > Greece > Sicily > Spain > Afghan

Basically this.

[kleenex]

South Italy/Sicily-Iberia-Greece-Morocco-Saudi-Afghanistan