6 Myheritage results from Messina, northeast Sicily

[Sikeliot]

I do not have screenshots of them, someone made a spreadsheet of their DNA cousins and sent them to me.

#1:
Greek: 51.8%
Italian: 17.6%
North African Jewish: 11.2%
Middle Eastern: 6.6%
Ashkenazi: 5.4%
North African: 4%
West Asian: 2.6%
Nigerian: 0.8%


#2:
Greek: 60.4%
North African: 16%
Middle Eastern: 10.9%
Italian: 6.5%
Ashkenazi: 6.2%


#3:
Greek: 45.6%
North African: 17.1%
Sardinian: 13.2%
Middle Eastern: 9.2%
Italian: 9%
West Asian: 5%
Ashkenazi: 0.9%


#4:
Greek: 57.6%
Sardinian: 13.8%
West Asian: 13.8%
North African: 8.7%
Middle Eastern: 4.3%
Ashkenazi: 1.8%


#5:
Greek: 51.5%
Sardinian: 13.5%
North African: 13.3%
West Asian: 13.2%
Ashkenazi: 5%
Iberian: 3.5%


#6:
Greek: 38.8%
Sardinian: 22.7%
West Asian: 21.1%
North African: 16%
Middle Eastern: 1.4%

[Teucer]

What is the base for the Greek classification for MyHeritage? The reason I ask is because someone commented on a Youtube video that it also covers ancestry from other areas outside of Greece

[Sikeliot]

What is the base for the Greek classification for MyHeritage? The reason I ask is because someone commented on a Youtube video that it also covers ancestry from other areas outside of Greece

The people I see scoring the most of it are Albanians, Peloponnesians, and Cretans. Think of it as "indigenous south Balkan" really.

[Teucer]

The people I see scoring the most of it are Albanians, Peloponnesians, and Cretans. Think of it as "indigenous south Balkan" really.

I guess these results need to be tempered by Gedmatch results. For example, I have seen Cypriot results with over 50% Greek in MyHeritage but on Gedmatch results Greece is hardly ever in the top 5

[Sikeliot]

I guess these results need to be tempered by Gedmatch results. For example, I have seen Cypriot results with over 50% Greek in MyHeritage but on Gedmatch results Greece is hardly ever in the top 5

Which calculator do you want? I have all of these people's GEDmatch IDs.

[Sikeliot]

I guess these results need to be tempered by Gedmatch results. For example, I have seen Cypriot results with over 50% Greek in MyHeritage but on Gedmatch results Greece is hardly ever in the top 5

Which calculator do you want? I have all of these people's GEDmatch IDs.

[Teucer]

Which calculator do you want? I have all of these people's GEDmatch IDs.

I don't know which ones are the best or how they differentiate, so I can't really specify

[Sikeliot]

I don't know which ones are the best or how they differentiate, so I can't really specify

I'll use Eurogenes K15 then.

#1:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.87
2 West_Med 18.34
3 West_Asian 18.02
4 North_Sea 10.85
5 Atlantic 10.53
6 Red_Sea 6.8
7 Baltic 4.91
8 Northeast_African 1.45
9 Southeast_Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.81
2 East_Sicilian 5.02
3 Central_Greek 5.48
4 Ashkenazi 7.61
5 Italian_Jewish 7.9
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.13
7 Sephardic_Jewish 9.09
8 West_Sicilian 9.97
9 Algerian_Jewish 10.16
10 Greek_Thessaly 11.38
11 Greek 12.27
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.42
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.96
14 Cyprian 13.03
15 Tuscan 13.56
16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.96
17 Syrian 16.74
18 Turkish 16.87
19 Bulgarian 19.15
20 Samaritan 19.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% East_Sicilian + 13.8% Armenian @ 3.63
2 86.5% East_Sicilian + 13.5% Assyrian @ 3.9
3 87.3% East_Sicilian + 12.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.9
4 88% East_Sicilian + 12% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.01
5 93.1% South_Italian + 6.9% Georgian @ 4.05
6 89.5% South_Italian + 10.5% Armenian @ 4.08
7 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Abhkasian @ 4.08
8 93.5% South_Italian + 6.5% Ossetian @ 4.13
9 81.8% East_Sicilian + 18.2% Cyprian @ 4.2
10 92.5% South_Italian + 7.5% Kumyk @ 4.2
11 90.3% South_Italian + 9.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.21
12 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Tabassaran @ 4.21
13 88.2% East_Sicilian + 11.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.23
14 78% Central_Greek + 22% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.25
15 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Adygei @ 4.25
16 89.3% East_Sicilian + 10.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.25
17 94.1% South_Italian + 5.9% Chechen @ 4.25
18 94.2% South_Italian + 5.8% North_Ossetian @ 4.25
19 93.8% South_Italian + 6.2% Lezgin @ 4.25
20 93.6% East_Sicilian + 6.4% Abhkasian @ 4.26



#2:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.49
2 Atlantic 18.42
3 West_Asian 16.61
4 West_Med 16.38
5 Red_Sea 7.94
6 North_Sea 5.66
7 Baltic 3.66
8 Northeast_African 1.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.99
2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.42
3 East_Sicilian 7.17
4 West_Sicilian 7.77
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.94
6 Italian_Jewish 8.01
7 Central_Greek 8.23
8 Algerian_Jewish 8.97
9 Ashkenazi 10.12
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.52
11 Greek 12.71
12 Tuscan 13.2
13 Cyprian 13.95
14 Greek_Thessaly 14.92
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.92
16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.66
17 Syrian 17.71
18 Turkish 18.06
19 North_Italian 19.47
20 Bulgarian 20.19

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 30.3% French_Basque @ 3.25
2 73.7% Cyprian + 26.3% French_Basque @ 3.8
3 63.9% Lebanese_Christian + 36.1% French_Basque @ 4.01
4 60.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 39.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.14
5 64% Lebanese_Muslim + 36% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.17
6 58.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 41.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.46
7 62.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 37.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.46
8 67% Cyprian + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.5
9 68.5% Cyprian + 31.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.56
10 89.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 10.7% French_Basque @ 4.58
11 62.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 37.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
12 65.1% Cyprian + 34.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.7
13 61.7% Kurdish_Jewish + 38.3% French_Basque @ 4.7
14 59.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.71
15 65.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 34.4% Southwest_French @ 4.82
16 85.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 14.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.83
17 86.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 13.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.85
18 66.7% Cyprian + 33.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.86
19 87.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 12.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.89
20 53.7% Lebanese_Christian + 46.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.9


#3:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.84
2 Atlantic 19
3 West_Asian 17.14
4 West_Med 15.76
5 Red_Sea 6.64
6 Baltic 5.11
7 North_Sea 2.29
8 Northeast_African 2.14
9 Sub-Saharan 0.46
10 Southeast_Asian 0.32
11 Eastern_Euro 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 7.55
2 South_Italian 7.76
3 East_Sicilian 9.34
4 Italian_Jewish 9.67
5 Algerian_Jewish 9.74
6 West_Sicilian 9.81
7 Central_Greek 10.05
8 Italian_Abruzzo 10.38
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.5
10 Ashkenazi 11.87
11 Greek 13.35
12 Cyprian 13.45
13 Tuscan 15.55
14 Libyan_Jewish 15.88
15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.23
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.59
17 Syrian 17.64
18 Turkish 17.76
19 Samaritan 19.88
20 Jordanian 20.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.9% Cyprian + 24.1% French_Basque @ 5.41
2 71.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 28.3% French_Basque @ 5.46
3 65.6% Lebanese_Christian + 34.4% French_Basque @ 6.28
4 63.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 36.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.41
5 68.6% Cyprian + 31.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.42
6 71.8% Cyprian + 28.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.49
7 70.6% Cyprian + 29.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.51
8 70.1% Cyprian + 29.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.58
9 91.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 8.9% North_Ossetian @ 6.59
10 66.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 33.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.63
11 91.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 8.3% French_Basque @ 6.69
12 91% Sephardic_Jewish + 9% Kabardin @ 6.71
13 91% Sephardic_Jewish + 9% Balkar @ 6.71
14 91.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 8.9% Adygei @ 6.72
15 77.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 22.9% Greek @ 6.73
16 73.2% Cyprian + 26.8% Southwest_French @ 6.74
17 53.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 46.9% South_Italian @ 6.74
18 63.3% Kurdish_Jewish + 36.7% French_Basque @ 6.76
19 65.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 34.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.76
20 70.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 29.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 6.78


#4:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.06
2 West_Med 18.3
3 West_Asian 15.64
4 Atlantic 11.93
5 Red_Sea 6.85
6 Baltic 6.17
7 North_Sea 3.8
8 Northeast_African 1.52
9 Eastern_Euro 1.51
10 Southeast_Asian 1.13
11 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.63
2 Sephardic_Jewish 5.68
3 Italian_Jewish 6.24
4 Algerian_Jewish 6.34
5 East_Sicilian 7.59
6 Central_Greek 8.14
7 Tunisian_Jewish 8.27
8 Cyprian 9.12
9 Ashkenazi 9.26
10 West_Sicilian 10.51
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.12
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.57
13 Greek 12.79
14 Lebanese_Muslim 13.7
15 Greek_Thessaly 14.59
16 Syrian 14.8
17 Samaritan 15.93
18 Tuscan 16.41
19 Turkish 17.37
20 Lebanese_Christian 17.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.2% Cyprian + 19.8% Southwest_French @ 3.06
2 77.3% Cyprian + 22.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.17
3 65% South_Italian + 35% Cyprian @ 3.27
4 80% Cyprian + 20% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.38
5 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.39
6 78.6% Cyprian + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.4
7 72.8% Cyprian + 27.2% North_Italian @ 3.41
8 79.8% Cyprian + 20.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.44
9 77.7% South_Italian + 22.3% Samaritan @ 3.45
10 78.9% Cyprian + 21.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.46
11 65.6% Cyprian + 34.4% Tuscan @ 3.49
12 54.1% Cyprian + 45.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.5
13 83.6% Cyprian + 16.4% French_Basque @ 3.57
14 55.6% East_Sicilian + 44.4% Cyprian @ 3.57
15 79% Cyprian + 21% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.66
16 78.1% Cyprian + 21.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.67
17 78.2% Cyprian + 21.8% Portuguese @ 3.73
18 77.9% Cyprian + 22.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.73
19 80.3% South_Italian + 19.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.73
20 59.5% Cyprian + 40.5% Greek @ 3.74



#5:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.83
2 West_Med 16.78
3 West_Asian 14.85
4 Atlantic 12.89
5 Baltic 7.91
6 Red_Sea 6.67
7 North_Sea 6.6
8 Southeast_Asian 1.36
9 Northeast_African 1.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.16
2 East_Sicilian 5.73
3 Central_Greek 6.33
4 Italian_Jewish 6.48
5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.52
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.53
7 Ashkenazi 7.82
8 West_Sicilian 9
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.06
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.67
11 Greek 11.14
12 Cyprian 11.46
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.36
14 Libyan_Jewish 12.42
15 Tuscan 14.36
16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.08
17 Syrian 16.09
18 Samaritan 17.77
19 Turkish 17.86
20 Jordanian 18.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% South_Italian + 7.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.15
2 88% South_Italian + 12% Palestinian @ 3.22
3 87.3% South_Italian + 12.7% Samaritan @ 3.3
4 88.1% South_Italian + 11.9% Jordanian @ 3.31
5 93% South_Italian + 7% Saudi @ 3.33
6 89.5% South_Italian + 10.5% Bedouin @ 3.33
7 88.8% South_Italian + 11.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.41
8 79.2% South_Italian + 20.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.42
9 89.7% South_Italian + 10.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.45
10 87.3% South_Italian + 12.7% Syrian @ 3.48
11 86.7% South_Italian + 13.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.5
12 91.5% South_Italian + 8.5% Egyptian @ 3.53
13 83.2% South_Italian + 16.8% Cyprian @ 3.54
14 63.3% Central_Greek + 36.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.6
15 91.6% South_Italian + 8.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.66
16 74% South_Italian + 26% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.71
17 92.2% South_Italian + 7.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.73
18 87.1% South_Italian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.77
19 71.6% East_Sicilian + 28.4% Cyprian @ 3.81
20 92.9% South_Italian + 7.1% Assyrian @ 3.85

[Teucer]

Right, so in relation to what I said in Mongrel's thread, Central Greek seems to be different than the other regions. It always seems to come up first for Greek-influenced populations outside of mainland Greece. Is this solely due to this region having less South Balkan ancestry or is it also in combination with some other ancestry?

I seem to recall that central Greece also has the highest frequency of E-V13, if that means anything in the grand scheme of things

[Sikeliot]

Right, so in relation to what I said in Mongrel's thread, Central Greek seems to be different than the other regions. It always seems to come up first for Greek-influenced populations outside of mainland Greece. Is this solely due to this region having less South Balkan ancestry or is it also in combination with some other ancestry?

I seem to recall that central Greece also has the highest frequency of E-V13, if that means anything in the grand scheme of things


I think it is not an entirely mainland sample and also includes some islands like Sporades, North Aegean, etc along with Athens. But yes, central Greece has less Slavic ancestry than the rest of the mainland, except if you include places like Tsakonia.

[Teucer]

I think it is not an entirely mainland sample and also includes some islands like Sporades, North Aegean, etc along with Athens. But yes, central Greece has less Slavic ancestry than the rest of the mainland, except if you include places like Tsakonia.

I don't doubt that, but they also get East Sicilian which you say is close to mainland Greeks because of Slavic ancestry. So the fact they are close to both is strange

[Sikeliot]

I don't doubt that, but they also get East Sicilian which you say is close to mainland Greeks because of Slavic ancestry. So the fact they are close to both is strange

The ratio of components can do this. These people seem quite West Asian/North African shifted too though.

mongrel posted his Cretan grandfather's result, and he is close on one calculator to both Cretans and Macedonian Greeks, and further from Sicilians, which also makes no sense. It's just the ratios of components.

[Voskos]

My Heritage is bullshit.
I get more Italian ancestry than these Sicilian people.

https://s10.postimg.org/5ebz9g861/my_heritage.png (https://postimg.org/image/qnzlkaogl/)

i guess this is neolithic balkanic heritage which cannot be modeled as either Greek or Balkan.

[Voskos]

I have no idea, but I have never seen someone from the Balkans to get that high percent of Italian as me...
I have some Vlach-Megleonite ancestry but even if those people were mixed with Romans, I doubt that the autosomal dna could have been preserved up to modern days.
By the way, when I upload from FTDNA I get slightly different results but nevertheless, the Italian component is still big...

https://s10.postimg.org/ttoso3ra1/heritage.png (https://postimg.org/image/5d6mtmqj9/)

how i see it is, you're high in Balkan neolithic and low in West Asian and your south euro cannot show as Greek(high Neolithic, high West Asian). So instead it shows as Italian. The vlach could be an explanation too but even vlachs are not that roman-admixed imo.

[Sikeliot]

how i see it is, you're high in Balkan neolithic and low in West Asian and your south euro cannot show as Greek(high Neolithic, high West Asian). So instead it shows as Italian. The vlach could be an explanation too but even vlachs are not that roman-admixed imo.


"Italian" on Myheritage is based on North Italy and Tuscany, to the best of my knowledge, which is why many Sicilians do not show it very highly and instead score Greek.

[Sikeliot]

how i see it is, you're high in Balkan neolithic and low in West Asian and your south euro cannot show as Greek(high Neolithic, high West Asian). So instead it shows as Italian. The vlach could be an explanation too but even vlachs are not that roman-admixed imo.

How does your result compare to the people in my post? The Sicilians.

[Voskos]

"Italian" on Myheritage is based on North Italy and Tuscany, to the best of my knowledge, which is why many Sicilians do not show it very highly and instead score Greek.

makes sense

[Voskos]

How does your result compare to the people in my post? The Sicilians.

i get somewhat higher greek, almost no italian, similar proportions of west asian/mena and almost no north african(less than 1%). check your inbox, i had sent you my result a while back.

[Sikeliot]

i get somewhat higher greek, almost no italian, similar proportions of west asian/mena and almost no north african(less than 1%). check your inbox, i had sent you my result a while back.

So this means that the difference between Crete and Sicily has a lot to do with the North African in Sicily.

[Voskos]

So this means that the difference between Crete and Sicily has a lot to do with the North African in Sicily.

only if you consider myheritage as accurate,lol.

[Sikeliot]

only if you consider myheritage as accurate,lol.

GEDMatch shows the same, that the primary difference between Sicily and Crete is related to North African input in the former.

[Iloko]

What does the typical phenotype from this region look like? Any pics?

[Sikeliot]

What does the typical phenotype from this region look like? Any pics?

https://www.facebook.com/pg/DON-Messina-163055720395894/photos/?ref=page_internal

[Bobby Martnen]

Nigerian: 0.8%


What's with Nigerian showing up in everyone's results lately?