what is your shift ?

[Hadouken]

in the Mixed Mode Population Sharing: . if the primary population is YOUR ethnicity ....what is your secondary population most of the time ? like what is your shift ?

I dont count a few percent as a shift . I am refering to about at least 15% + or so

me personally I have an ashkenazi and/or sephardic shift on many calculators

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 80.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 19.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.04

2 78.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 21.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07

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1 83.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 16.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.34

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1 79.2% Kurd (derived) + 20.8% Ashkenazim (derived) @ 3

2 79.4% Kurd (derived) + 20.6% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 3.28


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1 80.2% kurd (xing) + 19.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.4

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83.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 16.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.34
83.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 16.6% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 1.44
81.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52

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86.2% Kurdish + 13.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.93
85.3% Kurdish + 14.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.02
85.6% Kurdish + 14.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.09
86.5% Kurdish + 13.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
86.7% Kurdish + 13.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.46

[Coolguy1]

I tend to have a shift towards north Caucasus populations, Im not sure why

[Bobby Martnen]

Doesn't really work for me, because I'm not any one thing predominantly. I'm often modeled as 70-80% North German and 20-30% some Med or Levantine ethnicity.

[kleenex]

Depends which calculator:
MDLP K16
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 17.3% Basque (France) @ 3.78
2 73.8% Greek (Greece) + 26.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 4.04
3 79.9% Greek (Macedonia) + 20.1% French (SouthFrance) @ 4.17

Eurogenes K15
1 67.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.8% Bulgarian @ 4.71
2 70% South_Italian + 30% Austrian @ 4.71
3 89.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.5% Lithuanian @ 4.89

Dodecad K12B
1 56.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.86
2 56.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.09
3 59.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.16

[Hadouken]

^ I mean when the primary population source is your own ethnicity . so since you are greek it should be greek . you seem to shift towards iberia and france

[kleenex]

^ I mean when the primary population source is your own ethnicity . so since you are greek it should be greek . you seem to shift towards iberia and france

Noticing I'm not getting Greek as primary population on any of these calculators. Here's are a few further down the population list.
Eurogenes K15
6 79.4% Central_Greek + 20.6% Austrian @ 2.22
7 85.1% Central_Greek + 14.9% North_Swedish @ 2.24
8 78.3% Central_Greek + 21.7% Hungarian @ 2.27
9 80.9% Central_Greek + 19.1% East_German @ 2.3
10 84.8% Central_Greek + 15.2% Swedish @ 2.34

[Kouros]

I shift towards North Caucasus as well

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Greek_Thessaly + 14.7% Chechen @ 4.5
2 85% Greek_Thessaly + 15% Kabardin @ 4.62
3 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Balkar @ 4.64

[Kouros]

double post

[Kamal900]

Something like this for me

Dodecad V3:
1 63.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 36.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.07
2 75.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 24.9% Libya (Henn) @ 3.34
3 58.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.4
4 70.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 29.1% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.43
5 69.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 30.1% Libya (Henn) @ 3.47

MDLP World:

1 92.5% Syrian + 7.5% Bra1 @ 1.81
2 90.9% Syrian + 9.1% Sardinian @ 1.86
3 66.3% Syrian + 33.7% Cypriot @ 1.97
4 89.3% Syrian + 10.7% Otzi @ 2.05
5 75.5% Syrian + 24.5% Sephardim @ 2.26

Dodecad World9:

1 82.5% Syrians (Behar) + 17.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.11
2 86.7% Syrians (Behar) + 13.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.17
3 86.6% Syrians (Behar) + 13.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.21
4 87.4% Syrians (Behar) + 12.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.24
5 87% Syrians (Behar) + 13% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.24

Dodecad K12b:

1 94.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.77
2 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 3.83
3 95.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.7% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.84
4 95% Lebanese (Behar) + 5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.86
5 94.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.6% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 3.89
6 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.91
7 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @3.91
8 94.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.92

MDLP K23b:

1 93.3% Lebanese ( ) + 6.7% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.99
2 93.1% Lebanese ( ) + 6.9% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 3.04
3 92.3% Lebanese ( ) + 7.7% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 3.06
4 64.4% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) + 35.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 3.09
5 90.9% Lebanese ( ) + 9.1% French_South ( ) @ 3.22
6 81.8% Samaritian ( ) + 18.2% Irish ( ) @ 3.37
7 90.3% Lebanese ( ) + 9.7% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.4
8 90.3% Lebanese ( ) + 9.7% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.4

Don't know which of these calculators is the most accurate one but here you go.

[Damião de Góis]

Usually it's West Asia so it pulls me east i think. Three examples:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/15offjp.jpg

http://oi66.tinypic.com/14j86df.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/rmmhj6.jpg

On Dodecad K12b for example i score around 14% Caucasus vs the average ~10%.

[Leto]

Eurogenes K15

1 79.5% Erzya + 20.5% West_Norwegian @ 4.08
2 77.2% Erzya + 22.8% Swedish @ 4.14
3 73.4% Erzya + 26.6% North_Swedish @ 4.17
4 78.1% Erzya + 21.9% Norwegian @ 4.18
5 79.7% Erzya + 20.3% West_German @ 4.72

Doesn't make much sense

On the other hand, K13 is way more accurate for me

1 93.3% Russian_Smolensk + 6.7% Chukchi @ 1.72
2 93.5% Russian_Smolensk + 6.5% Koryak @ 1.82
3 92% Russian_Smolensk + 8% Ket @ 2.16
4 76% Estonian_Polish + 24% Tatar @ 2.2
5 73.6% Belorussian + 26.4% Tatar @ 2.26
6 92.2% Russian_Smolensk + 7.8% Selkup @ 2.31
7 90.7% Russian_Smolensk + 9.3% Shors @ 2.34
8 92.5% Russian_Smolensk + 7.5% West_Greenlander @ 2.5
9 94.5% Russian_Smolensk + 5.5% Evens @ 2.5
10 93.6% Russian_Smolensk + 6.4% East_Greenlander @ 2.51
11 78.7% Russian_Smolensk + 21.3% Chuvash @ 2.52
12 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Hakas @ 2.52
13 90.9% Estonian_Polish + 9.1% Shors @ 2.54
14 94.4% Russian_Smolensk + 5.6% Evenki @ 2.55
15 74.3% Polish + 25.7% Chuvash @ 2.55
16 94.1% Russian_Smolensk + 5.9% Dolgan @ 2.56
17 94.2% Russian_Smolensk + 5.8% Yakut @ 2.61
18 76.5% Russian_Smolensk + 23.5% Tatar @ 2.63
19 93.8% Estonian_Polish + 6.2% Chukchi @ 2.63
20 83.2% Russian_Smolensk + 16.8% Mari @ 2.64

[Kamal900]

Eurogenes K15

1 79.5% Erzya + 20.5% West_Norwegian @ 4.08
2 77.2% Erzya + 22.8% Swedish @ 4.14
3 73.4% Erzya + 26.6% North_Swedish @ 4.17
4 78.1% Erzya + 21.9% Norwegian @ 4.18
5 79.7% Erzya + 20.3% West_German @ 4.72

Doesn't make much sense

On the other hand, K13 is way more accurate for me

1 93.3% Russian_Smolensk + 6.7% Chukchi @ 1.72
2 93.5% Russian_Smolensk + 6.5% Koryak @ 1.82
3 92% Russian_Smolensk + 8% Ket @ 2.16
4 76% Estonian_Polish + 24% Tatar @ 2.2
5 73.6% Belorussian + 26.4% Tatar @ 2.26
6 92.2% Russian_Smolensk + 7.8% Selkup @ 2.31
7 90.7% Russian_Smolensk + 9.3% Shors @ 2.34
8 92.5% Russian_Smolensk + 7.5% West_Greenlander @ 2.5
9 94.5% Russian_Smolensk + 5.5% Evens @ 2.5
10 93.6% Russian_Smolensk + 6.4% East_Greenlander @ 2.51
11 78.7% Russian_Smolensk + 21.3% Chuvash @ 2.52
12 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Hakas @ 2.52
13 90.9% Estonian_Polish + 9.1% Shors @ 2.54
14 94.4% Russian_Smolensk + 5.6% Evenki @ 2.55
15 74.3% Polish + 25.7% Chuvash @ 2.55
16 94.1% Russian_Smolensk + 5.9% Dolgan @ 2.56
17 94.2% Russian_Smolensk + 5.8% Yakut @ 2.61
18 76.5% Russian_Smolensk + 23.5% Tatar @ 2.63
19 93.8% Estonian_Polish + 6.2% Chukchi @ 2.63
20 83.2% Russian_Smolensk + 16.8% Mari @ 2.64

To you, which of these calculators is the most accurate for me?


Something like this for me

Dodecad V3:
1 63.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 36.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.07
2 75.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 24.9% Libya (Henn) @ 3.34
3 58.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.4
4 70.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 29.1% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.43
5 69.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 30.1% Libya (Henn) @ 3.47

MDLP World:

1 92.5% Syrian + 7.5% Bra1 @ 1.81
2 90.9% Syrian + 9.1% Sardinian @ 1.86
3 66.3% Syrian + 33.7% Cypriot @ 1.97
4 89.3% Syrian + 10.7% Otzi @ 2.05
5 75.5% Syrian + 24.5% Sephardim @ 2.26

Dodecad World9:

1 82.5% Syrians (Behar) + 17.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.11
2 86.7% Syrians (Behar) + 13.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.17
3 86.6% Syrians (Behar) + 13.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.21
4 87.4% Syrians (Behar) + 12.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.24
5 87% Syrians (Behar) + 13% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.24

Dodecad K12b:

1 94.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.77
2 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 3.83
3 95.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.7% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.84
4 95% Lebanese (Behar) + 5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.86
5 94.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.6% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 3.89
6 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.91
7 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @3.91
8 94.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.92

MDLP K23b:

1 93.3% Lebanese ( ) + 6.7% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.99
2 93.1% Lebanese ( ) + 6.9% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 3.04
3 92.3% Lebanese ( ) + 7.7% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 3.06
4 64.4% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) + 35.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 3.09
5 90.9% Lebanese ( ) + 9.1% French_South ( ) @ 3.22
6 81.8% Samaritian ( ) + 18.2% Irish ( ) @ 3.37
7 90.3% Lebanese ( ) + 9.7% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.4
8 90.3% Lebanese ( ) + 9.7% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.4

Don't know which of these calculators is the most accurate one but here you go.

[greasycaveman]

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.6% South_Dutch + 47.4% Belorussian @ 2.99
2 54% West_German + 46% Belorussian @ 3.03
3 55.7% Hungarian + 44.3% North_Swedish @ 3.26
4 79.8% East_German + 20.2% La_Brana-1 @ 3.35
5 50.3% Southwest_Russian + 49.7% Southeast_English @ 3.43
6 64% North_Swedish + 36% Serbian @ 3.44
7 74.3% Austrian + 25.7% La_Brana-1 @ 3.44
8 62.8% Austrian + 37.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.46
9 53.3% South_Dutch + 46.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3.53
10 63.6% South_Polish + 36.4% Southeast_English @ 3.55
11 54.7% West_German + 45.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.56
12 60.4% West_German + 39.6% Lithuanian @ 3.58
13 72.8% North_Swedish + 27.2% Bulgarian @ 3.63
14 71.3% Austrian + 28.7% Finnish @ 3.65
15 56.1% West_German + 43.9% Estonian @ 3.72
16 59.1% South_Dutch + 40.9% Lithuanian @ 3.79
17 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Romanian @ 3.82
18 60.2% South_Polish + 39.8% Danish @ 3.82
19 50.8% Belorussian + 49.2% Southeast_English @ 3.83
20 55.9% North_Swedish + 44.1% Croatian @ 3.86

it looks like i am more western than eastern.

[Leto]

To you, which of these calculators is the most accurate for me?
MDLP and Dodecad seem to be not bad in this case.

[Mingle]

South Asian-shifted for an 'Afghanistan Pashtun' and North Caucasian-shifted for a 'Pakistan Pashtun'.

Keep in mind that the Afghanistan Pashtuns are sampled from Kandahar and Pashtun genetic differences are based on a north-south axis not an east/west or Afghanistan/Pakistan. So the Afghanistan Pashtun would only be representative of Southern Pashtuns, not Afghanistan Pashtuns as a whole. The Pakistan Pashtun sample known as 'Pathan' includes a few outliers with faaar more South Asian DNA than the average and if these outliers were removed then they would be bear identical to me genetically, so the 'Pathan' sample doesn't really represent any Pashtuns' average.

[Thambi]

I'm slightly northwest indian/pakistani shifted compared to my caste.

Dodecad
86.7% Velamas (Metspalu) + 13.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.62
83.3% Velamas (Metspalu) + 16.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 1.65
85.9% Velamas (Metspalu) + 14.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.83
86.6% Velamas (Metspalu) + 13.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 1.98
87.2% Velamas (Metspalu) + 12.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.09
84.6% Velamas (Metspalu) + 15.4% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 2.2

Harappa
88.7% Velama (metspalu) + 11.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 1.47

Gedrosia (Velama sample seems VERY low caste shifted on this calc)
65.6% Velamas + 34.4% Sindhi @ 3.71
76.1% Velamas + 23.9% Kurds_SE @ 4.33
71.3% Velamas + 28.7% Punjabi_Sikh @ 4.73
72% Velamas + 28% Pathan @ 4.87
83.7% Velamas + 16.3% Makrani @ 4.96
83.4% Velamas + 16.6% Balochi @ 4.96
79.5% Velamas + 20.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.97

[Mingle]

I'm slightly northwest indian/pakistani shifted compared to my caste.

Dodecad
86.7% Velamas (Metspalu) + 13.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.62
83.3% Velamas (Metspalu) + 16.7% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 1.65
85.9% Velamas (Metspalu) + 14.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.83
86.6% Velamas (Metspalu) + 13.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 1.98
87.2% Velamas (Metspalu) + 12.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.09
84.6% Velamas (Metspalu) + 15.4% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 2.2

Harappa
88.7% Velama (metspalu) + 11.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 1.47

Gedrosia (Velama sample seems VERY low caste shifted on this calc)
65.6% Velamas + 34.4% Sindhi @ 3.71
76.1% Velamas + 23.9% Kurds_SE @ 4.33
71.3% Velamas + 28.7% Punjabi_Sikh @ 4.73
72% Velamas + 28% Pathan @ 4.87
83.7% Velamas + 16.3% Makrani @ 4.96
83.4% Velamas + 16.6% Balochi @ 4.96
79.5% Velamas + 20.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.97

Are you a Velama?

[Thambi]

Are you a Velama?

Reddy actually but there is no calc with reddy sample. Velamas are the closest to us with the same caste status and they are from the same state.

[WillyWonka]

73372

73373

Eastern Europe/North Caucasus with MDLP and Eurogenes

[Coolguy1]

73372

73373

Eastern Europe/North Caucasus with MDLP and Eurogenes

What part of Greece are you from?

[Kouros]

73372

73373

Eastern Europe/North Caucasus with MDLP and Eurogenes

Yours is pretty much the exact same as mine

[Sikeliot]

Depends which calculator:
MDLP K16
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Greek (Macedonia) + 17.3% Basque (France) @ 3.78
2 73.8% Greek (Greece) + 26.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 4.04
3 79.9% Greek (Macedonia) + 20.1% French (SouthFrance) @ 4.17

Eurogenes K15
1 67.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.8% Bulgarian @ 4.71
2 70% South_Italian + 30% Austrian @ 4.71
3 89.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.5% Lithuanian @ 4.89

Dodecad K12B
1 56.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.86
2 56.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.09
3 59.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 40.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.16


You'd want to base it on where you shift from an ordinary mainland Greek. It appears to be in a westward (French, Iberian, North Italian, Basque) direction.

[WillyWonka]

What part of Greece are you from?

Macedonia with origins of Central Greece (Aetolia-Acarnania), East Thrace (Malkara and Yenikoÿ ) and Eastern Rumelia (Stenimachos).

[Sikeliot]

My expectation is this is common. If there is such a thing as a "normal" mainland Greek, Peloponnesians will shift west of it (Iberia, Italy, France) and northern Greeks will have additional NE Euro/"Slavic" than it.

[oszkar07]

Would be easier if you asked this in connection to specific group groups of calculators.

Eg Eurogenes shift,
Dodcad shift
etc.

[Ylla]

Eurasia K9 ASI



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.8% Albanian + 5.2% RISE_baHu @ 1.81
2 92.7% Albanian + 7.3% RISE_baBb @ 1.97
3 97.2% Albanian + 2.8% Loschbour @ 2.03
4 97% Albanian + 3% Bichon @ 2.04
5 97% Albanian + 3% LaBrana1 @ 2.05
6 94.2% Albanian + 5.8% Estonian @ 2.08
7 94.2% Albanian + 5.8% Lithuanian @ 2.09
8 94.4% Albanian + 5.6% Karelia @ 2.09
9 87.2% Albanian + 12.8% Croatian @ 2.09
10 94.3% Albanian + 5.7% Finnish @ 2.11
11 93.2% Albanian + 6.8% Belarusian @ 2.13
12 91.8% Albanian + 8.2% Czech @ 2.19
13 94.5% Albanian + 5.5% RISE_irSca @ 2.19
14 91.5% Albanian + 8.5% Scottish @ 2.2
15 90% Albanian + 10% Hungarian @ 2.21
16 92.5% Albanian + 7.5% Ukrainian @ 2.22
17 93.9% Albanian + 6.1% Russian @ 2.22
18 93.2% Albanian + 6.8% Icelandic @ 2.26
19 92.8% Albanian + 7.2% Norwegian @ 2.27
20 88.7% Albanian + 11.3% French @ 2.28

Ancient Eurasia K6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.5% Albanian + 3.5% Finnish @ 1.33
2 96.3% Albanian + 3.7% Russian @ 1.34
3 95.3% Albanian + 4.7% Basque @ 1.34
4 87.6% Albanian + 12.4% Romanian @ 1.35
5 99% Albanian + 1% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.37
6 99% Albanian + 1% WHG @ 1.37
7 99.3% Albanian + 0.7% Dai @ 1.37
8 99.3% Albanian + 0.7% Ulchi @ 1.38
9 94.2% Albanian + 5.8% Hungarian @ 1.38
10 99.2% Albanian + 0.8% Mongola @ 1.38
11 94.1% Albanian + 5.9% French @ 1.38
12 99.2% Albanian + 0.8% Nganasan @ 1.38
13 99.3% Albanian + 0.7% Han @ 1.38
14 99.3% Albanian + 0.7% Ami @ 1.38
15 99.1% Albanian + 0.9% Kalmyk @ 1.39
16 95.2% Albanian + 4.8% Czech @ 1.39
17 99% Albanian + 1% Altaian @ 1.39
18 96.8% Albanian + 3.2% Lithuanian @ 1.39
19 96.7% Albanian + 3.3% Estonian @ 1.4
20 95.4% Albanian + 4.6% English @ 1.4

Near East Neolithic K13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Albanian + 2.5% Natufian @ 1.92
2 96.3% Albanian + 3.7% Levant_N @ 2.14
3 96% Albanian + 4% Levant_BA @ 2.18
4 71.1% Sicilian + 28.9% French @ 2.32
5 95.6% Albanian + 4.4% Saudi @ 2.37
6 95.7% Albanian + 4.3% Jew_Yemenite @ 2.41
7 91.8% Albanian + 8.2% Jew_Libyan @ 2.41
8 95.5% Albanian + 4.5% Libyan @ 2.46
9 96% Albanian + 4% Saharawi @ 2.46
10 92.2% Albanian + 7.8% Jew_Tunisian @ 2.49
11 95.5% Albanian + 4.5% Algerian @ 2.55
12 95.4% Albanian + 4.6% Egyptian @ 2.58
13 78.8% Albanian + 21.2% Sicilian @ 2.59
14 95.3% Albanian + 4.7% BedouinA @ 2.61
15 96% Albanian + 4% Moroccan @ 2.61
16 91% Albanian + 9% Jew_Moroccan @ 2.62
17 95.2% Albanian + 4.8% Palestinian @ 2.64
18 85.1% Albanian + 14.9% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 2.65
19 51.2% Sicilian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 2.67
20 96.4% Albanian + 3.6% Yemeni @ 2.68

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

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[gültekin]

dodecad world :
82.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.1% Aleut @ 3.51
79.7% Turks (Behar) + 20.3% Aleut @ 4.41
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[Lek]

Puntdnal k10 ancient

94.8% Albanian + 5.2% Kalash

Albanian + 6.3% Pashtun @

10 95.6% Albanian + 4.4% Burusho @ 1.84
11 95.7% Albanian + 4.3% Pathan @ 1.86
12 95.8% Albanian + 4.2% Sindhi @ 1.88
16 95.5% Albanian + 4.5% Brahui @
19 95.7% Albanian + 4.3% Makrani @ 1.96
20 92.3% Albanian + 7.7% Chechen

[Lek]

Puntdnal k12 modern,

16 92.6% Albanian + 7.4% Mordovian @ 2.55
17 87% Albanian + 13% German_South @ 2.57
18 93.7% Albanian + 6.3% Russian @ 2.58
19 87.1% Albanian + 12.9% Dutch_South @ 2.59
20 93.9% Albanian + 6.1% Finnish @ 2.59

93.6% Albanian + 6.4% Chuvash @

[Rius]

HarappaWorld Oracle results :

82% turkish (harappa) + 18% slovenian (xing) @ 5.22
81.7% turkish (harappa) + 18.3% hungarian (behar) @ 5.24
84.3% turkish (harappa) + 15.7% n-european (xing) @ 5.36
84% turkish (harappa) + 16% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 5.4
84.6% turkish (harappa) + 15.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.4
85.5% turkish (harappa) + 14.5% belorussian (behar) @ 5.43
75% turkish (harappa) + 25% romanian-a (behar) @ 5.44
87.1% turkish (harappa) + 12.9% lithuanian (behar) @ 5.48
84.5% turkish (harappa) + 15.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 5.49
85.4% turkish (harappa) + 14.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 5.53
74.3% turkish (harappa) + 25.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.54
84.9% turkish (harappa) + 15.1% british (1000genomes) @ 5.56

MDLP World Oracle results:

89.6% Turk + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 3.87
88.8% Turk + 11.2% Belarusian @ 3.89
89.8% Turk + 10.2% Latvian @ 3.9
89.8% Turk + 10.2% Estonian @ 3.92
88.8% Turk + 11.2% Russian @ 3.93
89.5% Turk + 10.5% Lithuanian_V @ 3.93
87.4% Turk + 12.6% Ukrainian-Center @ 3.95
85.4% Turk + 14.6% Latvian_V @ 3.96
87.8% Turk + 12.2% Ukrainian-East @ 3.97
88.6% Turk + 11.4% Polish @ 3.99
87.9% Turk + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 3.99
88.6% Turk + 11.4% Russian_Center @ 4
88.3% Turk + 11.7% Polish_V @ 4
87.1% Turk + 12.9% Ukrainian-West @ 4.02
88.2% Turk + 11.8% Russian_V @ 4.03
87.9% Turk + 12.1% Sorb @ 4.04
88% Turk + 12% Russian_cossack @ 4.06
88.2% Turk + 11.8% Belarusian_V @ 4.07

Dodecad V3 Oracle results:


87.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.9% Belorussian (Behar) @ 5.26
85.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 5.28
86.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 5.32
85.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 5.32
86.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 5.42
88.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.5% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 5.46
88.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 5.52
78.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21.2% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 5.66
83.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 16.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.91

World9 Oracle results:

85.9% Turks (Behar) + 14.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.35
85.3% Turks (Behar) + 14.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.36
85.8% Turks (Behar) + 14.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.36
85.7% Turks (Behar) + 14.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 3.36
85.1% Turks (Behar) + 14.9% German (Dodecad) @ 3.37
85% Turks (Behar) + 15% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.38

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
81% Turks (Behar) + 19% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.72

Near East Neolithic K13 Oracle results:
71.7% Turkish_Adana + 28.3% Italian_South @ 5.88
78% Turkish_Adana + 22% Albanian @ 5.97
73% Turkish_Istanbul + 27% Lebanese @ 6.02
72.3% Turkish_Adana + 27.7% Sicilian @ 6.13
67.8% Turkish_Kayseri + 32.2% Italian_South @ 6.14
93.5% Turkish_Adana + 6.5% CHG @ 6.16
75.7% Turkish_Adana + 24.3% Greek @ 6.16
81.6% Turkish_Adana + 18.4% Bulgarian @ 6.17
78.4% Turkish_Istanbul + 21.6% Jordanian @ 6.17
69.9% Turkish_Adana + 30.1% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 6.24
83.7% Turkish_Adana + 16.3% Romanian @ 6.25
86.1% Turkish_Adana + 13.9% Croatian @ 6.28

[Hadouken]

South Asian-shifted for an 'Afghanistan Pashtun' and North Caucasian-shifted for a 'Pakistan Pashtun'.

Keep in mind that the Afghanistan Pashtuns are sampled from Kandahar and Pashtun genetic differences are based on a north-south axis not an east/west or Afghanistan/Pakistan. So the Afghanistan Pashtun would only be representative of Southern Pashtuns, not Afghanistan Pashtuns as a whole. The Pakistan Pashtun sample known as 'Pathan' includes a few outliers with faaar more South Asian DNA than the average and if these outliers were removed then they would be bear identical to me genetically, so the 'Pathan' sample doesn't really represent any Pashtuns' average.

you have to take your own ethnicity if you want to know your shift :)

yes I know some samples are not the best (including for my own ethnicity on some calcs) but still

[Pahli]

It depends a lot on the calculator, sometimes I get a few % shifts towards Iranians, other times I am shifted towards South Euros (~10%) and few times Caucasians too.

[Dick]

it rarely shows up. Eu/Jtest;

85% Serbian + 15% LIT @ 4.94
82.9% Serbian + 17.1% Belorussian @ 5.16
79.7% Serbian + 20.3% PL @ 5.28
84.8% Serbian + 15.2% Northwest_Russian @ 5.37

[Kinslayer]

puntDNAL K13 1 92.8% French + 7.2% Colombian @ 2.72
puntDNAL k15 1 60.6% Croatian + 39.4% Basque @ 1.29
Dodecad K12b 1 55.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 44.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.28
MDLP World-22 1 50.3% Swedish (derived) + 49.7% Corsican (derived) @ 1.03
MDLP K23b 1 72.9% French ( ) + 27.1% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 0.79
MDLP 16 Modern 1 54.7% French (France) + 45.3% German (Germany) @ 1.76
EUtest V2 K15 1 59.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 40.6% West_Norwegian @ 3.54

[kleenex]

My expectation is this is common. If there is such a thing as a "normal" mainland Greek, Peloponnesians will shift west of it (Iberia, Italy, France) and northern Greeks will have additional NE Euro/"Slavic" than it.

I think it's region to region and even village to village. I'm awaiting a friend's 23 and me raw data who is 50/50 Arcadian/Messinian.

[frankhammer]

I have no consistent secondary shift to report. I can't even get a consistent primary population.
There may be a reason for that. I've recently been told we're not as English I/we believed. An injection of continental genes in the last 80 years leading to my L48 result.

MLDP World

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.5% German_V (derived) + 1.5% Sardinian (derived) @ 0.88
2 98.6% German_V (derived) + 1.4% Otzi (derived) @ 0.88
3 97% German_V (derived) + 3% Iberian (derived) @ 0.89

Euro jtest

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.1% NL + 1.9% Druze @ 3.61
2 50.1% NL + 49.9% West_&_Central_German @ 3.64
3 79.9% West_&_Central_German + 20.1% English @ 3.68

euro k15
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.7% Norwegian + 12.3% Sardinian @ 2.16
2 72.7% Norwegian + 27.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.28
3 76.5% Norwegian + 23.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.53

puntdnal k15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% North_German + 42.6% Utahn_White @ 0.96
2 82.6% Utahn_White + 17.4% Karelian @ 0.98
3 61.8% North_German + 38.2% South_German @ 1
4 81.9% Utahn_White + 18.1% Russian @ 1.02
5 74.8% North_German + 25.2% French @ 1.06
6 76.3% Swedish + 23.7% Italian @ 1.07

dodecad k12b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 36.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.55
2 72.4% Kent (1000Genomes) + 27.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.74
3 90.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 9.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.76
4 64% British (Dodecad) + 36% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.78
5 89.9% Dutch (Dodecad) + 10.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.81

MDLP k23b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 32.9% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.27
2 64.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 35.7% Montenegrian ( ) @ 1.38
3 59.1% South_German ( ) + 40.9% Irish ( ) @ 1.42

MDLP k16 modern

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.1% French (France) + 45.9% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.03
2 69.3% English (Kent) + 30.7% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.05
3 67.3% German (Germany) + 32.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.07
4 52.7% Dutch (Netherlands) + 47.3% German (Germany) @ 2.1

[Mingle]

you have to take your own ethnicity if you want to know your shift :)

yes I know some samples are not the best (including for my own ethnicity on some calcs) but still

I did take my own ethnicity. I said I'm South Asian-shifted for a Pashtun from Afghanistan and North Caucasian-shifted for a Pashtun from Pakistan.

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[Kelmendasi]

More of a western or NW shift I assume
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Albanian + 48.3% Italian @ 1.28
2 77.2% Greek_Thessaly + 22.8% Basque @ 1.29
3 60.6% Greek_Central + 39.4% Spaniard @ 1.34
4 90.2% Italian + 9.8% Cypriot @ 1.39
5 58.8% Italian + 41.2% Tuscan @ 1.41
6 84.7% Albanian + 15.3% French @ 1.46
7 91.4% Italian + 8.6% Samaritian @ 1.5
8 91.9% Italian + 8.1% Druze @ 1.51
9 78.4% Tuscan + 21.6% French @ 1.6
10 87.4% Albanian + 12.6% Utahn_White @ 1.6
11 82% Italian + 18% Sicilian @ 1.62
12 87% Albanian + 13% South_German @ 1.64
13 89.8% Albanian + 10.2% Scottish @ 1.66
14 89.1% Albanian + 10.9% English @ 1.66
15 81.2% Italian + 18.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.73
16 80.5% Albanian + 19.5% Spaniard @ 1.73
17 84.9% Italian + 15.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.74
18 89.5% Albanian + 10.5% Orcadian @ 1.74
19 68.5% Greek_Thessaly + 31.5% Spaniard @ 1.76
20 90.6% Albanian + 9.4% Norwegian @ 1.79

[Hadouken]

I did take my own ethnicity. I said I'm South Asian-shifted for a Pashtun from Afghanistan and North Caucasian-shifted for a Pashtun from Pakistan.

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I meant that you should post the "north caucasian shifted for a pashtun from pakistan" for this thread since you are pashtun from pakistan . so north caucasus shift in your case

[Lek]

Here is some more,


Eurasia k9 ASI

92.3% Albanian + 7.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.89
2 90.4% Albanian + 9.6% Lezgin @ 0.9
3
4 89.6% Albanian + 10.4% Chechen @ 1.04

7 94.6% Albanian + 5.4% Kalash @ 1.19
8 93.5% Albanian + 6.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 1.2

9 89.1% Albanian + 10.9% Kumyk @ 1.21

15 94.4% Albanian + 5.6% Pathan @ 1.29
16 94.9% Albanian + 5.1% KOTIAS @ 1.3
17 89.4% Albanian + 10.6% Adygei @ 1.31
18 94.8% Albanian + 5.2% Kurd_SE @ 1.3

Gedrosia k4

50% Albanian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000

50% Albanian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.347820

[Kelmendasi]

Here is some more,


Eurasia k9 ASI

92.3% Albanian + 7.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 0.89
2 90.4% Albanian + 9.6% Lezgin @ 0.9
3
4 89.6% Albanian + 10.4% Chechen @ 1.04

7 94.6% Albanian + 5.4% Kalash @ 1.19
8 93.5% Albanian + 6.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 1.2

9 89.1% Albanian + 10.9% Kumyk @ 1.21

15 94.4% Albanian + 5.6% Pathan @ 1.29
16 94.9% Albanian + 5.1% KOTIAS @ 1.3
17 89.4% Albanian + 10.6% Adygei @ 1.31
18 94.8% Albanian + 5.2% Kurd_SE @ 1.3

Gedrosia k4

50% Albanian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000

50% Albanian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.347820
K9 ASI isn't good for Euros when it comes to oracle

[Kelmendasi]

More of a western or NW shift I assume
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Albanian + 48.3% Italian @ 1.28
2 77.2% Greek_Thessaly + 22.8% Basque @ 1.29
3 60.6% Greek_Central + 39.4% Spaniard @ 1.34
4 90.2% Italian + 9.8% Cypriot @ 1.39
5 58.8% Italian + 41.2% Tuscan @ 1.41
6 84.7% Albanian + 15.3% French @ 1.46
7 91.4% Italian + 8.6% Samaritian @ 1.5
8 91.9% Italian + 8.1% Druze @ 1.51
9 78.4% Tuscan + 21.6% French @ 1.6
10 87.4% Albanian + 12.6% Utahn_White @ 1.6
11 82% Italian + 18% Sicilian @ 1.62
12 87% Albanian + 13% South_German @ 1.64
13 89.8% Albanian + 10.2% Scottish @ 1.66
14 89.1% Albanian + 10.9% English @ 1.66
15 81.2% Italian + 18.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.73
16 80.5% Albanian + 19.5% Spaniard @ 1.73
17 84.9% Italian + 15.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.74
18 89.5% Albanian + 10.5% Orcadian @ 1.74
19 68.5% Greek_Thessaly + 31.5% Spaniard @ 1.76
20 90.6% Albanian + 9.4% Norwegian @ 1.79
More:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% Italian_South + 39.1% French @ 0.97
2 90.5% Albanian + 9.5% Czech @ 1.05
3 88.7% Albanian + 11.3% French @ 1.06
4 77.5% Albanian + 22.5% Romanian @ 1.06
5 90.6% Albanian + 9.4% English @ 1.06
6 92.4% Albanian + 7.6% Icelandic @ 1.07
7 93.7% Albanian + 6.3% Lithuanian @ 1.08
8 89% Albanian + 11% Hungarian @ 1.08
9 85.8% Albanian + 14.2% Croatian @ 1.08
10 91.4% Albanian + 8.6% Scottish @ 1.1
11 91.7% Albanian + 8.3% Norwegian @ 1.1
12 97.9% Albanian + 2.1% Motala12 @ 1.11
13 98.2% Albanian + 1.8% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.12
14 98.2% Albanian + 1.8% WHG @ 1.12
15 97.9% Albanian + 2.1% SHG @ 1.12
16 93.6% Albanian + 6.4% Estonian @ 1.12
17 91.4% Albanian + 8.6% Ukrainian @ 1.13
18 93% Albanian + 7% Europe_LNBA @ 1.13
19 91.3% Italian_South + 8.7% WHG @ 1.16
20 91.3% Italian_South + 8.7% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.16

[Graham]

I tend to have a shift towards north Caucasus populations, Im not sure why

Steppe ancestry from the Bronze age on-wards. Fairly common to get it throughout Europe.

[Hadouken]

more from me

83.3% Kurd_North ( ) + 16.7% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 2.8
87.9% Kurd_North ( ) + 12.1% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 2.81
86.7% Kurd_North ( ) + 13.3% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 2.86
73.7% Kurd_North ( ) + 26.3% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.87
86.2% Kurd_North ( ) + 13.8% Samaritian ( ) @ 2.89
83.3% Kurd_North ( ) + 16.7% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 2.89
84.4% Kurd_North ( ) + 15.6% Lebanese ( ) @ 2.91
89.8% Kurd_North ( ) + 10.2% Druze ( ) @ 2.95

88% Kurd + 12% Otzi @ 2.59

90.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 9.9% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.38
81.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 18.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.39

[Mingle]

I meant that you should post the "north caucasian shifted for a pashtun from pakistan" for this thread since you are pashtun from pakistan . so north caucasus shift in your case

MDLP World-22

1 69.6% Pathan (derived) + 30.4% Kumyk (derived) @ 3.55
2 50.7% Tadjik (derived) + 49.3% Balochi (derived) @ 3.56
3 70% Pathan (derived) + 30% Azeri (derived) @ 3.57
4 93.4% Pashtun (derived) + 6.6% Jew_Yemen (derived) @ 3.7
5 83.3% Brahui (derived) + 16.7% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 3.73

Dodecad K12b ('Pathan' didn't show up in my top 5 oracle here)

6 78.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 21.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.74
7 82% Pathan (HGDP) + 18% Adygei (HGDP) @ 4.75
8 65.4% Jatt (Dodecad) + 34.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.75
9 83.3% Pathan (HGDP) + 16.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 4.78
10 68.9% Jatt (Dodecad) + 31.1% Turks (Behar) @ 4.8
11 83% Pathan (HGDP) + 17% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 4.81

puntDNAL K10 Ancient

1 79.5% Pathan + 20.5% North_Ossetian @ 4.76
2 77.4% Pathan + 22.6% Chechen @ 4.88
3 80.3% Pathan + 19.7% Kumyk @ 4.91
4 82% Pathan + 18% Turkish_Aydin @ 4.97
5 55.2% Pathan + 44.8% Pashtun @ 5.1

Ancient Eurasia K6

1 73.3% Pathan + 26.7% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.82
2 93.3% Kurd_SE + 6.7% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 2.96
3 76.3% Kalash + 23.7% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.99
4 80.8% Pathan + 19.2% CHG @ 3.03
5 51% Pathan + 49% Kurd_SE @ 3.07
6 54.2% Kalash + 45.8% Kurd_SE @ 3.09
7 82.5% Pathan + 17.5% Iran_N @ 3.17
8 72.5% Pathan + 27.5% Makrani @ 3.23
9 90.9% Kurd_SE + 9.1% Steppe_IA @ 3.26
10 84.7% Pathan + 15.3% Iranian_Lori @ 3.28

MDLP K23b (not a significant shift here)

8 90.8% Pathan ( ) + 9.2% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 3.1
9 75.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 24.1% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 3.14
10 91.3% Pathan ( ) + 8.7% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 3.17
11 76.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 23.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 3.17
12 90.6% Pathan ( ) + 9.4% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 3.18

[Thambi]

MDLP World-22

1 69.6% Pathan (derived) + 30.4% Kumyk (derived) @ 3.55
2 50.7% Tadjik (derived) + 49.3% Balochi (derived) @ 3.56
3 70% Pathan (derived) + 30% Azeri (derived) @ 3.57
4 93.4% Pashtun (derived) + 6.6% Jew_Yemen (derived) @ 3.7
5 83.3% Brahui (derived) + 16.7% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 3.73

Dodecad K12b ('Pathan' didn't show up in my top 5 oracle here)

6 78.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 21.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.74
7 82% Pathan (HGDP) + 18% Adygei (HGDP) @ 4.75
8 65.4% Jatt (Dodecad) + 34.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.75
9 83.3% Pathan (HGDP) + 16.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 4.78
10 68.9% Jatt (Dodecad) + 31.1% Turks (Behar) @ 4.8
11 83% Pathan (HGDP) + 17% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 4.81

puntDNAL K10 Ancient

1 79.5% Pathan + 20.5% North_Ossetian @ 4.76
2 77.4% Pathan + 22.6% Chechen @ 4.88
3 80.3% Pathan + 19.7% Kumyk @ 4.91
4 82% Pathan + 18% Turkish_Aydin @ 4.97
5 55.2% Pathan + 44.8% Pashtun @ 5.1

Ancient Eurasia K6

1 73.3% Pathan + 26.7% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.82
2 93.3% Kurd_SE + 6.7% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 2.96
3 76.3% Kalash + 23.7% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.99
4 80.8% Pathan + 19.2% CHG @ 3.03
5 51% Pathan + 49% Kurd_SE @ 3.07
6 54.2% Kalash + 45.8% Kurd_SE @ 3.09
7 82.5% Pathan + 17.5% Iran_N @ 3.17
8 72.5% Pathan + 27.5% Makrani @ 3.23
9 90.9% Kurd_SE + 9.1% Steppe_IA @ 3.26
10 84.7% Pathan + 15.3% Iranian_Lori @ 3.28

MDLP K23b (not a significant shift here)

8 90.8% Pathan ( ) + 9.2% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 3.1
9 75.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 24.1% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 3.14
10 91.3% Pathan ( ) + 8.7% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 3.17
11 76.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 23.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 3.17
12 90.6% Pathan ( ) + 9.4% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 3.18

Wow almost 1/3 caucasian shifted compared to pathans in some calcs. Even if we assume that pathan samples are slightly south asian shifted than usual, it still is a huge difference compared to pathans.

[Mingle]

Wow almost 1/3 caucasian shifted compared to pathans in some calcs. Even if we assume that pathan samples are slightly south asian shifted than usual, it still is a huge difference compared to pathans.

They're not just slightly South Asian shifted. The average 'South Indian' a Northern Pashtun (KP, FATA, N2KL) should get is in the 19 -23% range (I get 21%) on HarappaWorld. The HGDP Pathans included some with over 30% South Indian.

See for yourself: http://www.harappadna.org/2013/07/pathan-pashtun-admixture-results/

The outliers should have been discarded (including the Pashtun with very low ASI and high East Asian) and the name 'Pashtun_FATA' should have been used instead of 'Pathan'.

[Hadouken]

I am not surprised Mingle ....

pashtuns ("even" from pakistan) have big differences to south asians especially indians . and the samples seem to be not good/accurate indeed . so it is no surprise you shift so much west

how do you shift on harappa ?

[Mingle]

I am not surprised Mingle ....

pashtuns ("even" from pakistan) have big differences to south asians especially indians . and the samples seem to be not good/accurate indeed . so it is no surprise you shift so much west

how do you shift on harappa ?

If it means anything, I'm from a district that shares a border with Punjab.

On Harappa, 'Pathan' and 'Pashtun' don't show up in my oracle mixed mode population sharing. I think 'Punjabi Jatt Sikh' is the genetically closest sample to 'Pathan'.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 35.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.29
2 65.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 34.5% lezgin (behar) @ 2.34
3 64.1% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 35.9% urkarah (xing) @ 2.52
4 67.6% punjabi (harappa) + 32.4% lezgin (behar) @ 2.65
5 63.7% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 36.3% lezgin (behar) @ 2.72
6 78.1% sindhi (harappa) + 21.9% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.74
7 76.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 23.9% lezgin (behar) @ 2.85
8 66.8% punjabi (harappa) + 33.2% urkarah (xing) @ 2.97
9 67.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 32.1% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.97
10 68.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 31.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.98
11 77.9% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 22.1% georgian (harappa) @ 2.98
12 68.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 31.2% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.02
13 76% sindhi (harappa) + 24% lezgin (behar) @ 3.06
14 77.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 22.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.07
15 63.7% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 36.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.1
16 79.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 20.3% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.11
17 66.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 33.4% lezgin (behar) @ 3.12
18 67.1% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 32.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.12
19 75.4% sindhi (harappa) + 24.6% urkarah (xing) @ 3.13
20 80.3% sindhi (harappa) + 19.7% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.13

[Hadouken]

damn you are from pakistan and even from a district that borders punjab and you still shift 20-35% to north caucasus when indians/south asians from the furthest north possible are taken as reference

very interesting and proves that I am right with what I said

64.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 35.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.29
66.8% punjabi (harappa) + 33.2% urkarah (xing) @ 2.97
67.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 32.1% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.97
80.3% sindhi (harappa) + 19.7% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.13

[Meerkat]

I shift like this on Dodecad k12b:

https://i.imgur.com/frezgiS.jpg

And on Puntdnal DNA K10:

https://i.imgur.com/I7NJcbw.jpg



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[Alessio]

I have no ''shift''.

[Thambi]

I am not surprised Mingle ....

pashtuns ("even" from pakistan) have big differences to south asians especially indians . and the samples seem to be not good/accurate indeed . so it is no surprise you shift so much west

how do you shift on harappa ?

I wouldn't say the samples are inaccurate. They have variation i'm sure because there are 35 million pathans in pakistan, roughly equal to Iraq's population. I'm pretty sure many of them have mixed with neighboring northern punjabis, kashmiris, and sindhis at some point. Mingle is quite afghan shifted regardless compared to average pakistani pashtun. There are a few pakistani pathans on anthrogenica and they get higher south indian and lower caucasian compared to him. He scores higher caucasian than the 'pashtun' on harappa, and lower baloch than 'pathan'.

[Mingle]

damn you are from pakistan and even from a district that borders punjab and you still shift 20-35% to north caucasus when indians/south asians from the furthest north possible are taken as reference

very interesting and proves that I am right with what I said

64.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 35.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.29
66.8% punjabi (harappa) + 33.2% urkarah (xing) @ 2.97
67.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 32.1% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.97
80.3% sindhi (harappa) + 19.7% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.13

I've heard the Sindhis are mixed with Baloches. I think it may be representative of Sindhis since that is very common there, but it could explain why they're more northern shifted than Punjabis as a whole despite their geography. South Punjab also has significant Baloch mix but they're not included in any of the calculators.

Do you know why you have a western shift of ~20% compared to your ethnicity?

[Mingle]

I wouldn't say the samples are inaccurate. They have variation i'm sure because there are 35 million pathans in pakistan, roughly equal to Iraq's population. I'm pretty sure many of them have mixed with neighboring northern punjabis, kashmiris, and sindhis at some point. Mingle is quite afghan shifted regardless compared to average pakistani pashtun. There are a few pakistani pathans on anthrogenica and they get higher south indian and lower caucasian compared to him. He scores higher caucasian than the 'pashtun' on harappa, and lower baloch than 'pathan'.

Its one thing if they are a bit higher than me in South Indian, but the difference is extreme in some cases. One has 30%, one 29%, another 35%. Not all the ones with higher SI than me should be considered outliers. But anything around 30% and up in SI is pretty huge. I think I would still be a bit western shifted compared to the average 'Pathan' if we excluded the outliers, but the difference wouldn't be so huge.

[Jana]

K13

79.6% Croatian + 20.4% West_German @ 3.86
83% Croatian + 17% French @ 3.9
81.3% Croatian + 18.7% South_Dutch @ 3.94

K16 modern

68.1% Croat (Croatia) + 31.9% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.28
82.8% Croat (Croatia) + 17.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.3
82.8% Croat (Croatia) + 17.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.32
77.7% Croat (Croatia) + 22.3% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.33
84% Croat (Croatia) + 16% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.35
58.6% Croat (Croatia) + 41.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.35
81.5% Croat (Croatia) + 18.5% English (Cornwall) @ 2.36
83.1% Croat (Croatia) + 16.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.36

World

93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Mordovian @ 0.69
95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Komi @ 0.76
89.8% Croatian + 10.2% Ukrainian_V @ 0.81
94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Tartar_Mishar @ 0.82
92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Mordovian_V @ 0.83
92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Russian_South @ 0.84
95.4% Croatian + 4.6% Russian_North @ 0.85
95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Inkeri @ 0.86
92.3% Croatian + 7.7% Ukrainian-East @ 0.87
94.7% Croatian + 5.3% Moldavian @ 0.88
96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Karelian @ 0.88
91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Ukrainian-Center @ 0.89
89.7% Croatian + 10.3% Ukrainian-West @ 0.9
97.1% Croatian + 2.9% Udmurd @ 0.9
93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Russian_V @ 0.9
92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Russian_cossack @ 0.91
97.8% Croatian + 2.2% Saami @ 0.91
96.8% Croatian + 3.2% Vepsa @ 0.91
96.3% Croatian + 3.7% Chuvash @ 0.92

K12 modern

89.1% Croatian + 10.9% Finnish @ 1.66
88.8% Croatian + 11.2% Russian @ 1.69

K13 Global

78.6% Croatian + 21.4% Mordovian @ 1.64

K15

16 76.8% Croatian + 23.2% English @ 1.52

K9 ASI

93.5% Croatian + 6.5% KOTIAS @ 1.58
18 89.7% Croatian + 10.3% Lezgin @ 1.73

Ancient Eurasia K6

86.7% Croatian + 13.3% Chechen @ 0.97

[Seya]

50% Bulgarian +50% Chechen @ 0.000000 :lol: )))))
85.4% Romanian + 14.6% Lebanese @ 2.26
80.1% Romanian + 19.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.3
85.4% Romanian + 14.6% Cypriot @ 2.34
87.4% Romanian + 12.6% Jordanian @ 2.34
87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Druze @ 2.35
87% Romanian + 13% Palestinian @ 2.38
86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Syrian @ 2.4
88% Romanian + 12% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.47
77.6% Romanian + 22.4% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.53
78.4% Romanian + 21.6% Sicilian_East @ 2.54
76.5% Romanian + 23.5% Sicilian_West @ 2.57
86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Assyrian @ 2.6
85.8% Romanian + 14.2% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.62
87.6% Romanian + 12.4% BedouinA @ 2.63
87.9% Romanian + 12.1% Iranian_Jew @ 2.63
82.9% Romanian + 17.1% Moroccan_Jew @ 2.65
85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.68
84.9% Romanian + 15.1% Libyan_Jew @ 2.7

[Hadouken]

I've heard the Sindhis are mixed with Baloches. I think it may be representative of Sindhis since that is very common there, but it could explain why they're more northern shifted than Punjabis as a whole despite their geography. South Punjab also has significant Baloch mix but they're not included in any of the calculators.

Do you know why you have a western shift of ~20% compared to your ethnicity?

I dont necessarily have a 20% western shift compared to my ethnicity . sometimes I shift towards south europe a little but that is because many calculators such as mdlp world / world 22 for exmple have dubious kurdish samples

[Mingle]

I dont necessarily have a 20% western shift compared to my ethnicity . sometimes I shift towards south europe a little but that is because many calculators such as mdlp world / world 22 for exmple have dubious kurdish samples

I don't think they have dubious samples. The calcs are just flawed and they tend to shift people more northern/western than average. They do the same with everyone I've seen.

[Sp_loa]

I tend to have few percents towards far North (96% Sephardic Jew + 4-6% British/German) it reflects some Visigoth ancestry I know I have (from Ages ago)

[Hadouken]

I don't think they have dubious samples. The calcs are just flawed and they tend to shift people more northern/western than average. They do the same with everyone I've seen.

nah . on the reverse they can also shift people more south/east . it always depends what kind of samples you are using and where those samples are from . if I would be taken as a sample for kurds then I would get kurdish in a distance of 0 on top of my oracle and shift nowhere lol

on gedrosia calcs the Kurd_C are kurds from Iraq for example (not a single one in it is from turkey either so right there it is a bit problematic for people like me) and who knows how reliable they are since that guy who calls himself "Kurd" (even though he is not pure kurd even if at all) has put them in . not saying they are not kurds or that they are mixed or anything but to have an authentic sample you need to have kurds from every province/region in it . and mdlp k16 has only Kurd Syria reference and none from turkey either thats why I get mostly Armenian in my oracle on that calc

also there is even a "kurdish" sample which is not even kurdish :D that "Kurd_SE" reference is based on balochs xD I think a tribe of balochs called kurd who have some ancient kurdish roots or something but they are very similar in components to balochs . so probably baloch with some kurdish roots . it is the lulziest sample I have seen so far

[Meerkat]

I'm actually closer to Sicilians than to Ashkenazim on Gedrosia Gedrosia Near East Neolithic K13:

https://i.imgur.com/xc1MPkC.jpg

And that is how I shift on there.

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[Hadouken]

@Mingle

this is a calc that doesnt exist on gedmatch anymore but it was one of the calcs where I got Kurd_C in the 2 population approx

so yeah I shift almost 20% towards england . and more than 15% iceland . :rolleyes: :picard1: trust me man many calculators need more kurdish samples from also northern kurds etc.

http://up.picr.de/26242602wg.jpg

[Carpatz]

50% Bulgarian +50% Chechen @ 0.000000 :lol: )))))
85.4% Romanian + 14.6% Lebanese @ 2.26
80.1% Romanian + 19.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.3
85.4% Romanian + 14.6% Cypriot @ 2.34
87.4% Romanian + 12.6% Jordanian @ 2.34
87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Druze @ 2.35
87% Romanian + 13% Palestinian @ 2.38
86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Syrian @ 2.4
88% Romanian + 12% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.47
77.6% Romanian + 22.4% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.53
78.4% Romanian + 21.6% Sicilian_East @ 2.54
76.5% Romanian + 23.5% Sicilian_West @ 2.57
86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Assyrian @ 2.6
85.8% Romanian + 14.2% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.62
87.6% Romanian + 12.4% BedouinA @ 2.63
87.9% Romanian + 12.1% Iranian_Jew @ 2.63
82.9% Romanian + 17.1% Moroccan_Jew @ 2.65
85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.68
84.9% Romanian + 15.1% Libyan_Jew @ 2.7

wog!

[Meerkat]

wog!I think she said she's from Southeastern Romania.

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[Damião de Góis]

I tend to have few percents towards far North (96% Sephardic Jew + 4-6% British/German) it reflects some Visigoth ancestry I know I have (from Ages ago)

How did you figure that out? Visigoths are pretty ancient.

[Carpatz]

I didn't get my ethnicity in the mixed populations mode on most calculators. Here's a few where I did:

Dodecad V3
83% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 17% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.63

84% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 16% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.82

60% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 40% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.9

75.7% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 24.3% German (Dodecad) @ 3.15

77.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 22.5% N._European (Xing) @ 3.26

HarappaWorld
81.8% romanian-a (behar) + 18.2% n-european (xing) @ 2.76

82.9% romanian-a (behar) + 17.1% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.83

romanian-a (behar) + 17.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.9

romanian-a (behar) + 14.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.9

84% romanian-a (behar) + 16% british (1000genomes) @ 2.94

Eurogenes EUtest
96.7% RO + 3.3% LIT @ 3.77

[firemonkey]

Going on English which is my primary population. This is the only one above 15%.


MDLP K16 - 16 51.2% English (Kent) + 48.8% Pole (EastPoland)

[Lucas]

like what is your shift ?



I read at first "What is your SHIT" :)

Mhm, it depends.

[Hadouken]

I read at first "What is your SHIT" :)

Mhm, it depends.

:D

[firemonkey]

Going for 5%- English,Scottish,Irish as primary population.

Eurogenes 15- 2 93.9% West_Scottish + 6.1% French_Basque @ 1.9

Eurogenes EU- 1 63.7% Scottish + 36.3% English @ 1.97
2 75.2% Scottish + 24.8% DK @ 2.37
3 76.6% Scottish + 23.4% NL @ 2.48
6 82.1% Scottish + 17.9% NO @ 2.57
7 70.4% IE + 29.6% English @ 2.58

MDLP 16- 7 77.1% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 22.9% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.4
8 62.7% Irish (Connacht) + 37.3% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.4
10 50.7% Irish (Connacht) + 49.3% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.43
16 51.2% English (Kent) + 48.8% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.52
17 55.3% Scottish (Highlands) + 44.7% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.52
18 65.7% Irish (Connacht) + 34.3% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 1.54
20 69.6% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 30.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.56


MDLP 23- 1 51.2% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 48.8% Dutch ( ) @ 1.49
4 78.9% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 21.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 1.64
7 79.2% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.8% Czech ( ) @ 1.7
8 82% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 18% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 1.73
9 79.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.3% Slovak ( ) @ 1.73
10 77.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 22.4% Hungarian ( ) @ 1.73
12 83.2% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 16.8% Bosnian ( ) @ 1.76
13 83.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 16.3% Croat_BH ( ) @ 1.76
14 78.1% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 21.9% Slovenian ( ) @ 1.78
15 58% Irish ( ) + 42% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.84
18 73.2% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 26.8% Austrian ( ) @ 1.85
20 83.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 16.4% Ukrainian_Center ( ) @ 1.85


Dodecad world 9 - 5 85.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 14.1% Brazilian (Dodecad) @ 0.78

Dodecad 12b - 17 70.2% Irish (Dodecad) + 29.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.82


puntDNAL 10- 2 93.4% Scottish_West + 6.6% Yemeni @ 1.1
16 92.5% Scottish_West + 7.5% Syrian @ 1.25
18 92.8% Scottish_West + 7.2% Jordanian @ 1.28
20 93.2% Scottish_West + 6.8% Saudi @ 1.3

puntDNAL 15 - 17 90.3% English + 9.7% Russian @ 1.8
18 90.4% English + 9.6% Mordovian @ 1.8

Eurasia K9 - 5 94.4% Scottish + 5.6% BedouinA @ 1.91
6 94.7% Scottish + 5.3% Yemen @ 1.92
10 94.1% Scottish + 5.9% Jordanian @ 2.07
11 94% Scottish + 6% Syrian @ 2.09
14 94% Scottish + 6% Lebanese @ 2.18
17 94.3% Scottish + 5.7% Druze @ 2.23
18 94.6% Scottish + 5.4% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.24

[firemonkey]

My father.

MDLP16

7 52.2% English (Kent) + 47.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.13
9 73.9% English (Kent) + 26.1% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.2
12 73% English (Kent) + 27% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.27
14 73% English (Kent) + 27% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.27
20 68.6% English (Kent) + 31.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.31


Eurogenes 13

14 58.1% Southwest_English + 41.9% North_Dutch @ 1.68


Eurogenes 15

1 51.1% Southwest_English + 48.9% Irish @ 2.13
2 59.3% Southwest_English + 40.7% West_Scottish @ 2.35
3 66.9% Southwest_English + 33.1% North_Dutch @ 2.48
5 67.4% Southwest_English + 32.6% Orcadian @ 2.5
17 55.5% Southeast_English + 44.5% Southwest_English @ 2.72
20 58.7% Southeast_English + 41.3% Irish @ 2.75



Eurogenes EU

2 81.8% Cornish + 18.2% Scottish @ 1.79
3 75.9% Cornish + 24.1% Orcadian @ 1.82
4 80.7% Cornish + 19.3% IE @ 1.86
7 90.4% Cornish + 9.6% English @ 1.95

Dodecad 3

1 72.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 27.4% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 0.71


Dodecad world 9

2 88.6% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 11.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.76
4 89.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 10.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.79
11 93.5% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 6.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.84
20 94.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 5.9% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.87


Dodecad 7b

20 94.3% Kent (1000Genomes) + 5.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 0.75


Dodecad 12b

1 82.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 17.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.8
2 85.7% English (Dodecad) + 14.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.8
4 82.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 17.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.82
5 86.8% Kent (1000Genomes) + 13.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.93
6 81.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 18.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.96
9 86.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 13.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.05
10 84.9% English (Dodecad) + 15.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.07
14 85.9% English (Dodecad) + 14.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.13
16 87% Kent (1000Genomes) + 13% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.14
20 93.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 6.7% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.45


HarappaWorld

5 69.8% british (1000genomes) + 30.2% hungarian (behar) @ 0.85
7 72% british (1000genomes) + 28% slovenian (xing) @ 1.06

puntDNAL 15

8 84.2% English + 15.8% Norwegian @ 1.34
10 90.7% English + 9.3% Swedish @ 1.35
11 68.5% English + 31.5% Scottish @ 1.35

Gedrosia 9 ASI

1 91.5% English + 8.5% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.18
4 91% English + 9% Druze @ 1.21
6 91.1% English + 8.9% Georgian_Jew @ 1.24
10 91.5% English + 8.5% Iranian_Jew @ 1.29
12 90.8% English + 9.2% Lebanese @ 1.31
14 88.9% English + 11.1% Turkish @ 1.32
15 90.9% English + 9.1% Syrian @ 1.34
18 91.2% English + 8.8% Jordanian @ 1.4
19 90.1% English + 9.9% Cypriot @ 1.42

[Leto]

I dont necessarily have a 20% western shift compared to my ethnicity . sometimes I shift towards south europe a little but that is because many calculators such as mdlp world / world 22 for exmple have dubious kurdish samples
You are part Turkish, I think. You are somewhat different from Pahli for example.

[Tauromachos]

I tend to have a shift towards north Caucasus populations, Im not sure why

Its ancient maybe.

Read about the Caucasus ancestry in Mycaneans and Minoans.

[Thanas Django]

10 87.8% Cyprian + 12.2% South_Italian @ 3.42
11 89.8% Cyprian + 10.2% Central_Greek @ 3.44

[Hadouken]

You are part Turkish, I think. You are somewhat different from Pahli for example.

it has nothing to do with being part turkish or not . which in case I would be it would be something like 30-35% . and it would be the negroid "eastern turks" anyway :lol: (jk)....

I am a northwestern kurd so of course I will shift more north/west when you take kurds from the deepest iraqi places who probably also likely have some arab shift or are outliers themselves as reference point to compare to me/us . I run other kurds from my province and they also shift very north/west compared to "Kurd_C" for example

pahlis results are not that much different from mine btw. . especially on dna.land he is very simialr and on gencove he gets 41% eastmed/balkan even (more than me) . pahli is also from iran while I am from one of the most northern kurdish provinces

I do think though that each kurds have a big chunk of native dna from the lands they inhabit either way

[Leto]

it has nothing to do with being part turkish or not . which in case I would be it would be something like 30-35% . and it would be the negroid "eastern turks" anyway :lol: (jk)....

I am a northwestern kurd so of course I will shift more north/west when you take kurds from the deepest iraqi places who probably also likely have some arab shift or are outliers themselves as reference point to compare to me/us . I run other kurds from my province and they also shift very north/west compared to "Kurd_C" for example

pahlis results are not that much different from mine btw. . especially on dna.land he is very simialr and on gencove he gets 41% eastmed/balkan even (more than me) . pahli is also from iran while I am from one of the most northern kurdish provinces

I do think though that each kurds have a big chunk of native dna from the lands they inhabit either way
Interesting. Do you happen to know where the "Soviet" Kurds are from? There are Kurds in Southern Russia and especially in Kazakhstan. There was even a Kurdish alphabet based on Cyrillic.

[Hadouken]

Interesting. Do you happen to know where the "Soviet" Kurds are from? There are Kurds in Southern Russia and especially in Kazakhstan. There was even a Kurdish alphabet based on Cyrillic.

no . I read something about it many years ago but I dont know anything (anymore)

[Mingle]

Interesting. Do you happen to know where the "Soviet" Kurds are from? There are Kurds in Southern Russia and especially in Kazakhstan. There was even a Kurdish alphabet based on Cyrillic.

Kurds in Kazakhstan were deported from Armenia and Azerbaijan by Stalin. Kurds in Armenia and Azerbaijan are mostly originally from Turkey if I'm not mistaken.

[oszkar07]

Dodecad k12B
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarians_Behar +50% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.232518

MDLP k16
2 52.6% Hungarian (Hungary) + 47.4% English (Kent) @ 1.78

MDLP K16 4 - Ancestors
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent +50% Hungarian_Hungary @ 1.920617

Eurogenes EU Test
1 54.1% HU + 45.9% IE @ 2.18
2 56.4% HU + 43.6% Scottish @ 2.22
3 52.5% HU + 47.5% Orcadian @ 2.45

EU Test 4 Ancestors
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% HU +50% IE @ 2.638281

Eurogenes Jtest Oracle
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.2% HU + 42.8% Scottish @ 2.5
2 55.5% HU + 44.5% IE @ 2.7
3 53.6% HU + 46.4% Orcadian @ 2.73
4 53.5% HU + 46.5% Cornish @ 3.45

JTest Oracle 4
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% HU +50% Orcadian @ 3.197612

Harappa World Oracle results
2 68.2% hungarian (behar) + 31.8% british (1000genomes) @ 1.21
3 62.9% hungarian (behar) + 37.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 1.24
4 71.7% hungarian (behar) + 28.3% orcadian (hgdp) @ 1.33
5 56% hungarian (behar) + 44% n-european (xing) @ 1.48
6 57.6% slovenian (xing) + 42.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 1.69


Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle results
2 96.8% Hungarian + 3.2% LBK_EN @ 1.6
3 96.8% Hungarian + 3.2% Anatolia_Neolithic @ 1.61

[FilhoV]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sandawe @ 1.85
2 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Moroccan @ 1.86
3 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Sudanese @ 1.87
4 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.88


North African shifted

[Mingle]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 97.7%Spanish_Extremadura+2.3%Sandawe@1.85
2 85.8%Spanish_Cataluna+14.2%Moroccan@1.86
3 98%Spanish_Extremadura+2%Sudanese@1.87
4 98%Spanish_Extremadura+2%Ethiopian_Anuak@1.88


North African shiftedFor a Spaniard, you're North African shifted, but what about compared to their Portuguese sample?

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[FilhoV]

For a Spaniard, you're North African shifted, but what about compared to their Portuguese sample?

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The Portuguese sample isn’t as precise as the Spanish one. When Portuguese or Estremadura are my first population the NA decreases by a considerable margin

[Leto]

Maybe this isn't what the OP meant but I like the mixed mode for my parents on K13

Father:
65.9% Lithuanian + 34.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.77

Mother:
67.7% Russian_Smolensk + 32.3% Chuvash @ 2.62

[Astarte]

K13


1 67.5% Kurdish_Jewish + 32.5% Sardinian @ 3.02
2 66.7% Iranian_Jewish + 33.3% Sardinian @ 3.53
3 68.5% Assyrian + 31.5% Sardinian @ 3.63
4 77.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 22.4% Sardinian @ 3.65
5 90.4% Cyprian + 9.6% French_Basque @ 4.5




K12 Modern


1 88.2% Turkish_Jew + 11.8% Brahui @ 3.64
2 87.6% Turkish_Jew + 12.4% Balochi @ 3.7
3 68.5% Assyrian + 31.5% Sardinian @ 3.78
4 88.6% Turkish_Jew + 11.4% Sindhi @ 3.93
5 65.6% Iranian_Jew + 34.4% Sardinian @ 3.94






K13 Global


1 88.5% Cypriot + 11.5% Romani @ 2.1
2 95.6% Cypriot + 4.4% Mawasi @ 2.29
3 95.9% Cypriot + 4.1% Cambodian @ 2.56
4 96.2% Cypriot + 3.8% Paniya @ 2.57
5 95.6% Cypriot + 4.4% Gond @ 2.59




K15


1 89.5% Cypriot + 10.5% Finnish @ 2.08
2 89.3% Cypriot + 10.7% Karelian @ 2.1
3 89.2% Cypriot + 10.8% Russian @ 2.12
4 89.2% Cypriot + 10.8% Mordovian @ 2.14
5 69.7% Sephardic_Jew + 30.3% Assyrian @ 2.22




K9 ASI


1 91.7% Cypriot + 8.3% LaBrana1 @ 2.62
2 91.9% Cypriot + 8.1% Bichon @ 2.64
3 92.3% Cypriot + 7.7% Loschbour @ 2.76
4 73.6% Druze + 26.4% French_South @ 3.19
5 89% Cypriot + 11% RISE_baHu @ 3.26




Ancient Eurasia K6


1 72.6% Druze + 27.4% Sardinian @ 0.76
2 62.6% Italian_South + 37.4% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.05
3 60.9% Italian_South + 39.1% Saudi @ 1.06
4 51.6% Greek + 48.4% Levant_BA @ 1.21
5 59.5% Sicilian + 40.5% Levant_BA @ 1.22


Harappa World


1 72.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 27.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.01
2 74.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 25.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.21
3 74.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 25.8% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.29
4 74.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 25.4% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.57
5 72.9% sephardic-jew (behar) + 27.1% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.82

[Mingle]

The Portuguese sample isn’t as precise as the Spanish one. When Portuguese or Estremadura are my first population the NA decreases by a considerable marginCould you post some results where Portuguese is your first population?

Why do you say that the Portuguese sample is inaccurate?

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[FilhoV]

You misunderstood me the Portuguese sample I stated is not as in-depth as the Spanish sample

[frankhammer]

It is interesting that North westerners primary results and shift are less likely to match their ethnicity and those to the East and South commonly do.

[MercifulServant]

8 81.9% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 18.1% German-Volga ( ) @ 1.81
9 91.2% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 8.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.82
10 91.6% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 8.4% Orcadian ( ) @ 1.83
11 90% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 10% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 1.83
12 90.5% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 9.5% British ( ) @ 1.84
13 87.2% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 12.8% Frisian ( ) @ 1.84
14 90.5% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 9.5% Welsh ( ) @ 1.84
16 90.3% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 9.7% CEU ( ) @ 1.85
18 88.3% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 11.7% Irish ( ) @ 1.85
20 88.7% Serb_Serbia ( ) + 11.3% English ( ) @ 1.86

This is MDLP K23b. I seem to shift a little west of serbs I guess

[Voskos]

1 63.5% Greek (Greece) + 36.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 1.66
2 66.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 33.1% German (Germany) @ 1.7

[Freeroostah]

Depends from the calculator...

MDLP K23b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 10% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.64
2 81% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 19% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 1.68
3 92.3% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 7.7% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 1.69
4 84.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 15.3% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.69
5 75% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 25% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 1.72
6 79.2% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 20.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 1.72
7 87.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 12.8% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 1.74
8 86.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 13.4% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.75
9 88.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 11.3% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
10 91.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 8.4% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
11 93.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.8% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
12 78.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 21.4% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.76
13 88.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 11.6% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 1.76
14 78.9% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 21.1% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 1.78
15 77.2% Italian_South ( ) + 22.8% North_German ( ) @ 1.81
16 64.5% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 35.5% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.81
17 99.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 0.9% Koryak ( ) @ 1.81
18 99.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 0.8% Itelmen ( ) @ 1.82
19 93.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.9% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.83
20 99% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 1% Mozabite ( ) @ 1.83

VS

Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.5% Central_Greek + 26.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.13
2 64.6% Central_Greek + 35.4% Moldavian @ 2.16
3 77.2% Central_Greek + 22.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.21
4 74.4% Central_Greek + 25.6% Ukrainian @ 2.22
5 79.8% Central_Greek + 20.2% Lithuanian @ 2.25
6 77.5% Central_Greek + 22.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.3
7 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% Croatian @ 2.3
8 76.4% Central_Greek + 23.6% Polish @ 2.32
9 76.2% Central_Greek + 23.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.43
10 76.2% Central_Greek + 23.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.48
11 61.8% East_Sicilian + 38.2% Moldavian @ 2.52
12 77.9% Central_Greek + 22.1% Belorussian @ 2.54
13 65% Bulgarian + 35% East_Sicilian @ 2.55
14 62% Bulgarian + 38% Central_Greek @ 2.55
15 74.4% Central_Greek + 25.6% South_Polish @ 2.63
16 55.7% South_Italian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.72
17 68.8% South_Italian + 31.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.74
18 70.1% South_Italian + 29.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.76
19 65.7% South_Italian + 34.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.77
20 71.2% East_Sicilian + 28.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.78


GO FIGURE :)

[kleenex]

Eurogenes models you like that because Central_Greek is not your main population but Greek_Thessaly.
You are probably plotting right on Greek_Thessaly sample, so basically you are Greek mainlander and not islander who actually falls under Central_Greek.

You're right Central Greek is a Cyclades sample.

[kleenex]

Depends from the calculator...

MDLP K23b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 10% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.64
2 81% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 19% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 1.68
3 92.3% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 7.7% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 1.69
4 84.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 15.3% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.69
5 75% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 25% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 1.72
6 79.2% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 20.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 1.72
7 87.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 12.8% Italian_Jew ( ) @ 1.74
8 86.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) + 13.4% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.75
9 88.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 11.3% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
10 91.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 8.4% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
11 93.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.8% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
12 78.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 21.4% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.76
13 88.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 11.6% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 1.76
14 78.9% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 21.1% Turk_Jew ( ) @ 1.78
15 77.2% Italian_South ( ) + 22.8% North_German ( ) @ 1.81
16 64.5% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 35.5% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.81
17 99.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 0.9% Koryak ( ) @ 1.81
18 99.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 0.8% Itelmen ( ) @ 1.82
19 93.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.9% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.83
20 99% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 1% Mozabite ( ) @ 1.83

VS

Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.5% Central_Greek + 26.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.13
2 64.6% Central_Greek + 35.4% Moldavian @ 2.16
3 77.2% Central_Greek + 22.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.21
4 74.4% Central_Greek + 25.6% Ukrainian @ 2.22
5 79.8% Central_Greek + 20.2% Lithuanian @ 2.25
6 77.5% Central_Greek + 22.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.3
7 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% Croatian @ 2.3
8 76.4% Central_Greek + 23.6% Polish @ 2.32
9 76.2% Central_Greek + 23.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.43
10 76.2% Central_Greek + 23.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.48
11 61.8% East_Sicilian + 38.2% Moldavian @ 2.52
12 77.9% Central_Greek + 22.1% Belorussian @ 2.54
13 65% Bulgarian + 35% East_Sicilian @ 2.55
14 62% Bulgarian + 38% Central_Greek @ 2.55
15 74.4% Central_Greek + 25.6% South_Polish @ 2.63
16 55.7% South_Italian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.72
17 68.8% South_Italian + 31.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.74
18 70.1% South_Italian + 29.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.76
19 65.7% South_Italian + 34.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.77
20 71.2% East_Sicilian + 28.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.78


GO FIGURE :)

You should try the MDLP K 23b Oracle 4 much better. I have heard a lot of positive feedback from exceptionally knowledgeable folks on Apricity about this calc particularly for Greeks and Italians (and possibly Albanians).
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.039670
3 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.073849
4 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.106662
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.109246
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.126436

[MysteriousWays]

MDLP k23b:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% French_Jew ( ) + 21.5% Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) @ 2.59
2 80.3% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 19.7% Portugese ( ) @ 2.6
3 86.4% Turk_Jew ( ) + 13.6% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.63
4 73.2% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 26.8% South_German ( ) @ 2.67
5 78.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 21.4% North_European ( ) @ 2.7
6 79.8% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 20.2% Welsh ( ) @ 2.74
7 79.7% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 20.3% French ( ) @ 2.74
8 77.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 22.4% English ( ) @ 2.75
9 78.8% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 21.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 2.75
10 88.3% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 11.7% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.76
11 88.3% Turk_Jew ( ) + 11.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.76
12 79.7% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 20.3% CEU ( ) @ 2.79
13 76.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 23.4% Belgian ( ) @ 2.85
14 79.4% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 20.6% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 2.86
15 80% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 20% British ( ) @ 2.86
16 66.2% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 33.8% Italian_North ( ) @ 2.88
17 82.8% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 17.2% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 2.94
18 73.8% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 26.2% Iraki ( ) @ 2.94
19 89% Turk_Jew ( ) + 11% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.94
20 79.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 20.2% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.94

[Tong]

Like i know how to do that unless someone shows me how to.

[MysteriousWays]

You should try the MDLP K 23b Oracle 4 much better. I have heard a lot of positive feedback from exceptionally knowledgeable folks on Apricity about this calc particularly for Greeks and Italians (and possibly Albanians).
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.039670
3 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.073849
4 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.106662
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.109246
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.126436

Since you specifically mention the accuracy of the MDLP k23b Oracle 4, I'll show you my results (I'm not Greek, Italian, or Albanian though).

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sicilian_West_ +50% Syrian_Jew_ @ 4.132673


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Libyan_Jew_ +25% South_German_ +25% Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.682625


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Iraqi_Mandean_ + Italian_North_ + Sicilian_West_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 1.924885
2 Georgian_Jew_ + Italian_South_ + Lebanese_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 1.984881
3 Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Iraqi_Mandean_ + Lebanese_Druze_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.003313
4 Ashkenazi_Jew_ + Iraqi_Mandean_ + Italian_North_ + Libyan_Jew_ @ 2.043289
5 Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Iraqi_Mandean_ + Lebanese_Christian_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.044740
6 Assyrian_Arzni_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Muslim_Arabs_Israel_ + Spanish_Canarias_IBS_ @ 2.090293

[Freeroostah]

You should try the MDLP K 23b Oracle 4 much better. I have heard a lot of positive feedback from exceptionally knowledgeable folks on Apricity about this calc particularly for Greeks and Italians (and possibly Albanians).
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.976887
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.039670
3 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.073849
4 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.106662
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.109246
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ @ 2.126436



They look interesting

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 2.119642


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian_Tirana_ +25% Christian_Arabs_Israel_ +25% South_German_ @ 1.537303


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Croat_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Kosovar_ @ 1.419398
2 Greek_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Macedonian_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 1.421791
3 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Kosovar_ + Serb_BH_ @ 1.427838
4 Bosnian_ + Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Kosovar_ @ 1.459012
5 Croat_ + Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.467780
6 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_ + Macedonian_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 1.471481
7 Gagauz_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 1.497021
8 Cretan_ + Kosovar_ + Montenegrian_ + Sicilian_Center_ @ 1.512035
9 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_South_ + Montenegrian_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.512867
10 Greek_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Macedonian_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 1.513782
11 Croat_ + Greek_Islands_ + Kosovar_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.516846
12 Greek_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Macedonian_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.518107
13 Cretan_ + Croat_BH_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Italian_South_ @ 1.521634
14 Croat_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.524494
15 Gagauz_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 1.526299
16 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Croat_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Italian_Piedmont_ @ 1.530307
17 Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_South_ + Montenegrian_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 1.530944
18 Cypriot_ + Kosovar_ + Sicilian_Center_ + Slovenian_ @ 1.532464
19 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Croat_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Italian_Tuscan_ @ 1.533678
20 Albanian_Tirana_ + Albanian_Tirana_ + Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + South_German_ @ 1.537303

[Grace O'Malley]

Trying to find one that state me as Irish (not many do surprisingly).

Eurogenes K15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86

Eurogenes K13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Irish + 44.5% Norwegian @ 2.13
2 52.6% Norwegian + 47.4% West_Scottish @ 2.25
3 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Swedish @ 2.34
4 57.3% North_Dutch + 42.7% Irish @ 2.35
5 86.9% Irish + 13.1% North_Swedish @ 2.4
6 67.7% North_Dutch + 32.3% West_Scottish @ 2.43
7 67.9% West_Scottish + 32.1% Swedish @ 2.45
8 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Finnish @ 2.45
9 72% Irish + 28% North_German @ 2.5
10 94.6% Irish + 5.4% East_Finnish @ 2.51
11 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.51
12 94% Irish + 6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.53
13 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Chuvash @ 2.53
14 62.7% West_Scottish + 37.3% North_German @ 2.55
15 95.6% Irish + 4.4% Erzya @ 2.58
16 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Estonian @ 2.58
17 61.8% Irish + 38.2% Danish @ 2.6
18 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Mari @ 2.6
19 95% Irish + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.61
20 94.9% Irish + 5.1% Belorussian @ 2.62

MDLPK23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.2% Bulgarian ( ) @ 0.86
2 76.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 23.4% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 0.88
3 98% Irish ( ) + 2% Saharawi ( ) @ 0.9
4 78.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 21.5% Montenegrian ( ) @ 0.94
5 97.6% Irish ( ) + 2.4% Morocco_South ( ) @ 0.96
6 97.5% Irish ( ) + 2.5% Moroccan ( ) @ 0.96
7 98% Irish ( ) + 2% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 0.97
8 97.2% Irish ( ) + 2.8% Algerian ( ) @ 0.99
9 83.9% Irish ( ) + 16.1% Icelandic ( ) @ 1
10 75.5% Irish ( ) + 24.5% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 1
11 83.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 16.3% Gagauz ( ) @ 1.01
12 97.2% Irish ( ) + 2.8% Tunisian ( ) @ 1.01
13 91.6% CEU ( ) + 8.4% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.05
14 97.2% Irish ( ) + 2.8% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 1.05
15 98.5% Irish ( ) + 1.5% Mozabite ( ) @ 1.06
16 54.3% Dutch ( ) + 45.7% Welsh ( ) @ 1.08
17 80.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 19.7% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.08
18 78.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 21.6% Serb_BH ( ) @ 1.09
19 54.9% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 45.1% German-Volga ( ) @ 1.1
20 69.8% Irish ( ) + 30.2% North_European ( ) @ 1.12

Dodecad V3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 3.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 0.78
2 94.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 5.3% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 0.78
3 97.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 0.94
4 97.8% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 0.94
5 81.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 18.7% German (Dodecad) @ 0.98
6 97.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.03
7 97.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.1% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.09
8 97.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.7% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.1
9 97.4% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.12
10 62% German (Dodecad) + 38% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.17
11 98.4% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 1.6% Chuvashs_16 (Behar) @ 1.24
12 94.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 5.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.25
13 79.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 20.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.26
14 69.9% German (Dodecad) + 30.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 1.26
15 58.3% Irish (Dodecad) + 41.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.26
16 93.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 6.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.27
17 65.8% German (Dodecad) + 34.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.29
18 93.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 6.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.35
19 79.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 20.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.36
20 97.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 2.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.38

EU Test

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68% Scottish + 32% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.7
2 66.1% Scottish + 33.9% NO @ 2.85
3 83.2% Orcadian + 16.8% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.92
4 72.8% IE + 27.2% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.93
5 83.7% Orcadian + 16.3% NO @ 3
6 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Lezgin @ 3
7 96% Orcadian + 4% EE @ 3.03
8 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% LIT @ 3.04
9 92% Orcadian + 8% North_Swedish @ 3.06
10 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% GE @ 3.07
11 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% Belorussian @ 3.1
12 72.1% IE + 27.9% NO @ 3.11
13 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Northwest_Russian @ 3.11
14 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% PL @ 3.11
15 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% East_Finnish @ 3.11
16 97.3% Orcadian + 2.7% West_Russian @ 3.12
17 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% South_Finnish @ 3.12
18 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% UA @ 3.13
19 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.13
20 98% Orcadian + 2% Erzya @ 3.13

[FilhoV]

Using my AncestryDNA raw data

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.8% Tunisian @ 1.71
2 93.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.78
3 94.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.79
4 94.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.7% Algerian @ 1.8
5 82.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 17.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.81
6 87.2% Spanish_Valencia + 12.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.84
7 82.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 17.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.84
8 87.4% Spanish_Valencia + 12.6% Moroccan @ 1.86
9 93.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.1% Italian_Jewish @ 1.87
10 91.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 8.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.89
11 94.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.91
12 94.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.92
13 87.1% Spanish_Valencia + 12.9% Algerian @ 1.92
14 93.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.93
15 94.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.2% Moroccan @ 1.94
16 96% Spanish_Extremadura + 4% Egyptian @ 1.95
17 85.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 14.1% Egyptian @ 1.96
18 93.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.6% South_Italian @ 1.96
19 95.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.3% Cyprian @ 1.98
20 94.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.6% Sephardic_Jew

EUtest
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% ES + 10.5% Moroccan @ 3.07
2 91% ES + 9% Algerian @ 3.08
3 92.8% ES + 7.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.33
4 95.1% ES + 4.9% Bedouin @ 3.37
5 93.8% ES + 6.2% Samaritan @ 3.43
6 94% ES + 6% IQ @ 3.57
7 95% ES + 5% Druze @ 3.76
8 95% ES + 5% Mandean @ 3.78
9 96.6% ES + 3.4% Ethiopian @ 3.79
10 91.1% ES + 8.9% AJ @ 3.85
11 90.8% ES + 9.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.86
12 95.2% ES + 4.8% Assyrian @ 3.89
13 97.1% ES + 2.9% Somali @ 3.89
14 95.5% ES + 4.5% Armenian @ 4
15 97.5% ES + 2.5% Maasai @ 4
16 93.1% ES + 6.9% GR @ 4.05
17 95.9% ES + 4.1% Kurdish @ 4.06
18 96% ES + 4% IR @ 4.09
19 95.5% ES + 4.5% TR @ 4.1
20 98.3% ES + 1.7% Luhya @ 4.12