Mizrahi and Sephardi MyHeritage results + GEDmatch

[waam]

Uploaded my raw dna data from FTDNA to MyHeritage.

https://i.imgur.com/CXoRDlM.png
Other 3.9% is broken down as 3% Ashkenazi and 0.9% Nigerian.

Sephardic score is too high again, assuming my known ancestry is correct. Only one grandparent is Sephardi, when I saw a similar Sephardi score on Family Finder (42%) I thought it just grouped some of my Mizrahi heritage as Sephardic, but it's consistent with this test as well so it raises a question mark...

Do you think the MyHeritage algorithm is reliable enough to base assumptions on these results?

[Sikeliot]

No Italian, interesting. A lot of Jews score it.

[Bobby Martnen]

No Italian, interesting. A lot of Jews score it.

They should make a matzo ball pizza.

[waam]

No Italian, interesting. A lot of Jews score it.
Yeah I thought I'd get some as well, based on other people's results. Btw I can't answer PMs yet but I put my input into what you sent me, although I'm no proffesional.


They should make a matzo ball pizza.
Passover is just around the corner so we might as well. :rolleyes:

[Sacrificed Ram]

Interesting is that in Brazil, there are two types of north african jews: a ladino speaker with origin in Iberian jews that fled to North Africa and other that was there much before sephardic arrived, probable from phoenician times. I never know how to name the last.

[waam]

They are called 'Maghrebi Jews' (Maghreb meaning west in arabic referring to the North African countries western of Egypt), but I don't know if they are even considered a different distinct group, rather a part of what makes up current day Sephardis from North Africa? To be perfectly honest though I only fairly recently learned there even was Jewish settlement in North Africa prior to the Spanish Expulsion.

[waam]

GEDmatch results using the Eurogenes K13 calculator. I don't really know which one of these calculators is considered the 'best' for me but here's a start

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 42.01
2 West_Asian 22.45
3 Red_Sea 13.09
4 West_Med 12.66
5 North_Atlantic 5.04
6 Northeast_African 2.32
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.73
9 East_Asian 0.61
10 Siberian 0.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.82
2 Syrian 5.1
3 Lebanese_Christian 6.43
4 Samaritan 6.53
5 Palestinian 7.1
6 Lebanese_Druze 7.36
7 Jordanian 7.45
8 Cyprian 8.96
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.04
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.72
11 Assyrian 11.45
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.65
13 Bedouin 12.82
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.23
15 Georgian_Jewish 14.71
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.24
17 Turkish 16.55
18 Italian_Jewish 17.03
19 Algerian_Jewish 17.17
20 Armenian 17.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 11.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.44
2 70.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.3% Palestinian @ 2.67
3 90% Lebanese_Muslim + 10% Saudi @ 2.77
4 61.5% Syrian + 38.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.81
5 72.7% Palestinian + 27.3% Armenian @ 2.9
6 70.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.03
7 71.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 28.3% Samaritan @ 3.07
8 63.4% Palestinian + 36.6% Assyrian @ 3.18
9 60.3% Kurdish_Jewish + 39.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.19
10 76% Lebanese_Muslim + 24% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.19
11 59.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 40.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.2
12 58.6% Syrian + 41.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.29
13 78.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 21.5% Jordanian @ 3.36
14 87.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.1% Bedouin @ 3.42
15 87.8% Samaritan + 12.2% Tabassaran @ 3.45
16 77.8% Samaritan + 22.2% Azeri @ 3.45
17 69.8% Palestinian + 30.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.49
18 87.3% Samaritan + 12.7% Lezgin @ 3.51
19 80% Samaritan + 20% Kurdish @ 3.6
20 57.5% Palestinian + 42.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.62

[Sacrificed Ram]

They are called 'Maghrebi Jews' (Maghreb meaning west in arabic referring to the North African countries western of Egypt), but I don't know if they are even considered a different distinct group, rather a part of what makes up current day Sephardis from North Africa? To be perfectly honest though I only fairly recently learned there even was Jewish settlement in North Africa prior to the Spanish Expulsion.

There are roman relates about jews destroing pagan temples in Cyrenaica (current Libya).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

[Thot Whisperer]

It doesn’t make sense to why everyone who takes my heritage dna test scores Nigerian, maybe it’s a glitch

[Kamal900]

GEDmatch results using the Eurogenes K13 calculator. I don't really know which one of these calculators is considered the 'best' for me but here's a start

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 42.01
2 West_Asian 22.45
3 Red_Sea 13.09
4 West_Med 12.66
5 North_Atlantic 5.04
6 Northeast_African 2.32
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.73
9 East_Asian 0.61
10 Siberian 0.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.82
2 Syrian 5.1
3 Lebanese_Christian 6.43
4 Samaritan 6.53
5 Palestinian 7.1
6 Lebanese_Druze 7.36
7 Jordanian 7.45
8 Cyprian 8.96
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.04
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.72
11 Assyrian 11.45
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.65
13 Bedouin 12.82
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.23
15 Georgian_Jewish 14.71
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.24
17 Turkish 16.55
18 Italian_Jewish 17.03
19 Algerian_Jewish 17.17
20 Armenian 17.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 11.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.44
2 70.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.3% Palestinian @ 2.67
3 90% Lebanese_Muslim + 10% Saudi @ 2.77
4 61.5% Syrian + 38.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.81
5 72.7% Palestinian + 27.3% Armenian @ 2.9
6 70.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.03
7 71.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 28.3% Samaritan @ 3.07
8 63.4% Palestinian + 36.6% Assyrian @ 3.18
9 60.3% Kurdish_Jewish + 39.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.19
10 76% Lebanese_Muslim + 24% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.19
11 59.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 40.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.2
12 58.6% Syrian + 41.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.29
13 78.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 21.5% Jordanian @ 3.36
14 87.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.1% Bedouin @ 3.42
15 87.8% Samaritan + 12.2% Tabassaran @ 3.45
16 77.8% Samaritan + 22.2% Azeri @ 3.45
17 69.8% Palestinian + 30.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.49
18 87.3% Samaritan + 12.7% Lezgin @ 3.51
19 80% Samaritan + 20% Kurdish @ 3.6
20 57.5% Palestinian + 42.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.62

Is the the results of a Mizrahi Jew? Looks very similar to mine.

[waam]

There are roman relates about jews destroing pagan temples in Cyrenaica (current Libya).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War
Interesting, didn't know Jews in the diaspora revolted as well, thanks for sharing.

It doesn’t make sense to why everyone who takes my heritage dna test scores Nigerian, maybe it’s a glitch
I wouldn't take it seriously, it's a glitch for certain since literally everyone scores it.

Is the the results of a Mizrahi Jew? Looks very similar to mine.
I'm 1/4 Sephardi and 3/4 Mizrahi (Mountain Jewish and Yemenite Jewish), unless these autosomal results are somehow true in which case some of my Mizrahi ancestors are actually Sephardi lol. But I think it just has a hard time differentiating between the Sephardi and Mizrahi ancestry rather than me having this actual amount of Sephardi.
Anyway, can you share your GEDmatch results? I'm interested to see.

[Kamal900]

Interesting, didn't know Jews in the diaspora revolted as well, thanks for sharing.

I wouldn't take it seriously, it's a glitch for certain since literally everyone scores it.

I'm 1/4 Sephardi and 3/4 Mizrahi (Mountain Jewish and Yemenite Jewish), unless these autosomal results are somehow true in which case some of my Mizrahi ancestors are actually Sephardi lol. But I think it just has a hard time differentiating between the Sephardi and Mizrahi ancestry rather than me having this actual amount of Sephardi.
Anyway, can you share your GEDmatch results? I'm interested to see.

Here's my gedmatch kit:
T885661

My cousin's gedmatch kit:
T513174

My Eurogenes K13 results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.10
2 West_Asian 22.04
3 Red_Sea 12.49
4 West_Med 11.90
5 North_Atlantic 6.58
6 Northeast_African 3.87
7 South_Asian 2.69
8 East_Asian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Syrian @ 4.290161
2 Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.506032
3 Jordanian @ 7.687741
4 Palestinian @ 9.223730
5 Samaritan @ 11.028017
6 Cyprian @ 11.030684
7 Lebanese_Christian @ 11.715029
8 Kurdish_Jewish @ 11.772687
9 Lebanese_Druze @ 11.830622
10 Iranian_Jewish @ 11.918647
11 Bedouin @ 13.471362
12 Assyrian @ 13.503297
13 Tunisian_Jewish @ 13.708004
14 Libyan_Jewish @ 13.978153
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.022411
16 Turkish @ 16.073597
17 Georgian_Jewish @ 16.799622
18 Algerian_Jewish @ 18.392385
19 Italian_Jewish @ 18.442356
20 Egyptian @ 18.966711

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Syrian @ 3.811702


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanian +25% Kurdish +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.744180


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.225497
2 Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.229612
3 Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.249652
4 Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.314925
5 Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.350306
6 Jordanian + Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian @ 2.361222
7 Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 2.519702
8 Kurdish + Palestinian + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.557889
9 Armenian + Libyan_Jewish + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.603332
10 Italian_Jewish + Jordanian + Kurdish + Palestinian @ 2.714666
11 Bedouin + Kurdish + Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.715215
12 Azeri + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 2.734694
13 Azeri + Palestinian + Syrian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.739027
14 Azeri + Jordanian + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.743215
15 Italian_Jewish + Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.743324
16 Jordanian + Jordanian + Kurdish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.744180
17 Iranian + Jordanian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.752629
18 Bedouin + Kurdish + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.762016
19 Iranian + Palestinian + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.785339
20 Armenian + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.804353
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% Palestinian + 35.1% Turkish @ 2.76
2 95.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.9% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.06
3 95% Lebanese_Muslim + 5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.07
4 96% Lebanese_Muslim + 4% Somali @ 3.14
5 95.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 4.1% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.19
6 96.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.21
7 81.9% Palestinian + 18.1% Ossetian @ 3.23
8 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.4
9 73% Lebanese_Muslim + 27% Jordanian @ 3.48
10 84.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 15.9% Bedouin @ 3.52
11 97% Syrian + 3% West_Scottish @ 3.53
12 55% Syrian + 45% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.54
13 97% Syrian + 3% Irish @ 3.55
14 96.9% Syrian + 3.1% Southeast_English @ 3.55
15 97% Syrian + 3% Southwest_English @ 3.55
16 97% Syrian + 3% Orcadian @ 3.56
17 97% Syrian + 3% Danish @ 3.56
18 97% Syrian + 3% North_Dutch @ 3.57
19 89.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.9% Egyptian @ 3.57
20 97.2% Syrian + 2.8% Norwegian @ 3.58

My cousin's results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.09
2 West_Asian 19.82
3 Red_Sea 14.03
4 West_Med 12.99
5 North_Atlantic 8.20
6 Northeast_African 4.69
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Sub-Saharan 2.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Syrian @ 6.219480
2 Lebanese_Muslim @ 8.129024
3 Jordanian @ 8.918408
4 Palestinian @ 10.575900
5 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.077046
6 Tunisian_Jewish @ 12.191864
7 Bedouin @ 12.273196
8 Cyprian @ 12.614598
9 Samaritan @ 13.335533
10 Sephardic_Jewish @ 14.178687
11 Lebanese_Christian @ 15.016056
12 Lebanese_Druze @ 15.695136
13 Kurdish_Jewish @ 16.028448
14 Iranian_Jewish @ 16.136133
15 Algerian_Jewish @ 16.537462
16 Italian_Jewish @ 16.991985
17 Egyptian @ 17.031336
18 Turkish @ 17.241110
19 Assyrian @ 17.368696
20 South_Italian @ 18.451712

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian +50% Turkish @ 5.445132


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Libyan_Jewish +25% Ossetian +25% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.657099


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Bedouin + Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.303504
2 Bedouin + Egyptian + Kurdish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.408819
3 Bedouin + Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.421132
4 Bedouin + Iranian + Libyan_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.423329
5 Bedouin + Iranian + Libyan_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.476178
6 Bedouin + Iranian + Libyan_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.548347
7 Abhkasian + Algerian + Sephardic_Jewish + Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.609622
8 Algerian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 3.629655
9 Bedouin + Iranian + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.635920
10 Azeri + Egyptian + Sephardic_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.643116
11 Bedouin + Kurdish + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.653196
12 Libyan_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Ossetian + Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.657099
13 Egyptian + Kurdish + Sephardic_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.660879
14 Bedouin + Kurdish + Libyan_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.675722
15 Algerian + Kurdish + Lebanese_Muslim + Palestinian @ 3.676963
16 Bedouin + Egyptian + Kurdish + South_Italian @ 3.698560
17 Georgian + Libyan_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Saudi @ 3.721378
18 Armenian + Bedouin + Egyptian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.727604
19 Libyan_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Ossetian + Saudi @ 3.738667
20 Kurdish + Lebanese_Muslim + Moroccan + Palestinian @ 3.775934

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.45
2 90.4% Syrian + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.47
3 92.9% Syrian + 7.1% French_Basque @ 3.5
4 90.2% Syrian + 9.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.51
5 90.9% Syrian + 9.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.52
6 90.3% Syrian + 9.7% Portuguese @ 3.53
7 91.4% Syrian + 8.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.54
8 92.8% Syrian + 7.2% Southwest_English @ 3.57
9 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.58
10 93% Syrian + 7% West_Scottish @ 3.59
11 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.62
12 91.5% Syrian + 8.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.63
13 91% Syrian + 9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.63
14 93% Syrian + 7% Irish @ 3.63
15 91.3% Syrian + 8.7% French @ 3.64
16 92.8% Syrian + 7.2% Southeast_English @ 3.67
17 93% Syrian + 7% Orcadian @ 3.68
18 91% Syrian + 9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.69
19 93.1% Syrian + 6.9% North_Dutch @ 3.76
20 92% Syrian + 8% Southwest_French @ 3.76

[waam]

Cool man. You seem to score slightly more SSA than me on the calculators I ran it through but other than that very similar. You score a lot of Jewish in the several populations modes which is cool, too.
Ran my kit through Dodecad V3

Dodecad V3 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.34
2 Mediterranean 28.6
3 Southwest_Asian 24.99
4 West_European 3.59
5 Northwest_African 3.38
6 South_Asian 2.69
7 East_European 1.62
8 East_African 1.54
9 Palaeo_African 0.36
10 Neo_African 0.33
11 Northeast_Asian 0.3
12 Southeast_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 3.96
2 Samaritians (Behar) 5.44
3 Palestinian (HGDP) 5.63
4 Syrians (Behar) 6.59
5 Jordanians_19 (Behar) 6.74
6 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7.32
7 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 8.94
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.26
9 Druze (HGDP) 9.47
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 11.22
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.32
12 Kurd (Xing) 15.73
13 Cypriots (Behar) 16.19
14 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.2
15 Egypt (Henn) 16.76
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.49
17 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.68
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.91
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.1
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% Syrians (Behar) + 24.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.66
2 92.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.5% Vaish (Reich) @ 2.75
3 91.4% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.92
4 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% Srivastava (Reich) @ 2.92
5 90.7% Samaritians (Behar) + 9.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.93
6 92.8% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.2% Meghawal (Reich) @ 2.94
7 80.3% Syrians (Behar) + 19.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.96
8 91.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.4% Pakistani (Xing) @ 2.98
9 91.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.5% Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) @ 3.01
10 91.7% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.3% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.03
11 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% AP_Brahmin (Xing) @ 3.03
12 93.8% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.2% Lodi (Reich) @ 3.08
13 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% TN_Brahmin (Xing) @ 3.08
14 93.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.4% Tharu (Reich) @ 3.09
15 81% Syrians (Behar) + 19% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
16 93.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.4% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.1
17 92.4% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.6% Nepalese (Xing) @ 3.11
18 80.1% Syrians (Behar) + 19.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.11
19 92.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.5% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 3.14
20 73.3% Syrians (Behar) + 26.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.16

[Leto]

GEDmatch results using the Eurogenes K13 calculator. I don't really know which one of these calculators is considered the 'best' for me but here's a start

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 42.01
2 West_Asian 22.45
3 Red_Sea 13.09
4 West_Med 12.66
5 North_Atlantic 5.04
6 Northeast_African 2.32
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.73
9 East_Asian 0.61
10 Siberian 0.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.82
2 Syrian 5.1
3 Lebanese_Christian 6.43
4 Samaritan 6.53
5 Palestinian 7.1
6 Lebanese_Druze 7.36
7 Jordanian 7.45
8 Cyprian 8.96
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.04
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.72
11 Assyrian 11.45
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.65
13 Bedouin 12.82
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.23
15 Georgian_Jewish 14.71
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.24
17 Turkish 16.55
18 Italian_Jewish 17.03
19 Algerian_Jewish 17.17
20 Armenian 17.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 11.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.44
2 70.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.3% Palestinian @ 2.67
3 90% Lebanese_Muslim + 10% Saudi @ 2.77
4 61.5% Syrian + 38.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.81
5 72.7% Palestinian + 27.3% Armenian @ 2.9
6 70.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.03
7 71.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 28.3% Samaritan @ 3.07
8 63.4% Palestinian + 36.6% Assyrian @ 3.18
9 60.3% Kurdish_Jewish + 39.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.19
10 76% Lebanese_Muslim + 24% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.19
11 59.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 40.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.2
12 58.6% Syrian + 41.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.29
13 78.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 21.5% Jordanian @ 3.36
14 87.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.1% Bedouin @ 3.42
15 87.8% Samaritan + 12.2% Tabassaran @ 3.45
16 77.8% Samaritan + 22.2% Azeri @ 3.45
17 69.8% Palestinian + 30.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.49
18 87.3% Samaritan + 12.7% Lezgin @ 3.51
19 80% Samaritan + 20% Kurdish @ 3.6
20 57.5% Palestinian + 42.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.62
Very Lebanese. Where were your parents born?

[Kamal900]

Cool man. You seem to score slightly more SSA than me on the calculators I ran it through but other than that very similar. You score a lot of Jewish in the several populations modes which is cool, too.
Ran my kit through Dodecad V3

Dodecad V3 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.34
2 Mediterranean 28.6
3 Southwest_Asian 24.99
4 West_European 3.59
5 Northwest_African 3.38
6 South_Asian 2.69
7 East_European 1.62
8 East_African 1.54
9 Palaeo_African 0.36
10 Neo_African 0.33
11 Northeast_Asian 0.3
12 Southeast_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 3.96
2 Samaritians (Behar) 5.44
3 Palestinian (HGDP) 5.63
4 Syrians (Behar) 6.59
5 Jordanians_19 (Behar) 6.74
6 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 7.32
7 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 8.94
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.26
9 Druze (HGDP) 9.47
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 11.22
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.32
12 Kurd (Xing) 15.73
13 Cypriots (Behar) 16.19
14 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.2
15 Egypt (Henn) 16.76
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.49
17 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.68
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.91
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.1
20 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% Syrians (Behar) + 24.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.66
2 92.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.5% Vaish (Reich) @ 2.75
3 91.4% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.92
4 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% Srivastava (Reich) @ 2.92
5 90.7% Samaritians (Behar) + 9.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.93
6 92.8% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.2% Meghawal (Reich) @ 2.94
7 80.3% Syrians (Behar) + 19.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.96
8 91.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.4% Pakistani (Xing) @ 2.98
9 91.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.5% Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) @ 3.01
10 91.7% Samaritians (Behar) + 8.3% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.03
11 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% AP_Brahmin (Xing) @ 3.03
12 93.8% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.2% Lodi (Reich) @ 3.08
13 93.2% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.8% TN_Brahmin (Xing) @ 3.08
14 93.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.4% Tharu (Reich) @ 3.09
15 81% Syrians (Behar) + 19% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
16 93.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 6.4% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.1
17 92.4% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.6% Nepalese (Xing) @ 3.11
18 80.1% Syrians (Behar) + 19.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.11
19 92.5% Samaritians (Behar) + 7.5% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 3.14
20 73.3% Syrians (Behar) + 26.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.16

I'm indeed more genetically SSA than you. Here's my Dodecad V3 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 31.98
2 Mediterranean 27.87
3 Southwest_Asian 21.20
4 West_European 5.27
5 South_Asian 3.87
6 Northwest_African 3.80
7 East_African 2.99
8 Palaeo_African 1.39


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Palestinian_HGDP @ 6.354855
2 Lebanese_Behar @ 6.354960
3 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 8.046951
4 Samaritians_Behar @ 9.192338
5 Jordanians_19_Behar @ 9.898376
6 Syrians_Behar @ 9.949624
7 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 10.088119
8 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 10.306976
9 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.674669
10 Druze_HGDP @ 10.873994
11 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 12.845924
12 Kurd_Xing @ 15.532431
13 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 15.748422
14 Egypt_Henn @ 17.289003
15 Kurd_Dodecad @ 17.459148
16 Turkish_Dodecad @ 17.550917
17 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.933535
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 19.800045
19 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 20.009874
20 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 20.139666

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Palestinian_HGDP +50% Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 3.930435


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar +25% Egyptans_Behar +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.177480


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing @ 2.013393
2 Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP @ 2.127526
3 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.177480
4 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.179075
5 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar @ 2.215529
6 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.221643
7 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.236155
8 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.242655
9 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.253340
10 Assyrian_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.263461
11 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.299969
12 Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.311349
13 Jordanians_19_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.321807
14 Jordanians_19_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Kurd_Xing @ 2.326556
15 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.332643
16 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP @ 2.335029
17 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing @ 2.417250
18 Iranians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.424212
19 Iranians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.449187
20 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Iranians_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.457081

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 36.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.07
2 75.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 24.9% Libya (Henn) @ 3.34
3 58.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.4
4 70.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 29.1% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.43
5 69.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 30.1% Libya (Henn) @ 3.47
6 74.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 25.8% Libya (Henn) @ 3.6
7 78.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.62
8 84.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 15.3% North_African (Dodecad) @ 3.65
9 80.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Libya (Henn) @ 3.67
10 65.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 34.7% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.7
11 79.8% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 20.2% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.72
12 84% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 16% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.74
13 84.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 15.2% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.75
14 74.6% Palestinian (HGDP) + 25.4% Kurd (Xing) @ 3.77
15 76.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 23.1% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.78
16 80% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 20% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.81
17 77.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 22.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.91
18 81% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 19% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.95
19 62.5% Syrians (Behar) + 37.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.99
20 70.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 29.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 4

[waam]

Very Lebanese. Where were your parents born?
Both my parents are Jewish. My dad is half Sephardi Jewish and half Yemenite Jewish born in Israel and my mom is Mountain Jewish from Dagestan. But Lebanese and Jews are very closely related so it doesn't surprise me it came out quite Lebanese, there's even this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=382s) that scored very high amounts of Jewish on MyHeritage and I think it's safe to assume it's not actual recent Jewish ancestry, rather just evidence of our genetic affinity.


I'm indeed more genetically SSA than you. Here's my Dodecad V3 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 31.98
2 Mediterranean 27.87
3 Southwest_Asian 21.20
4 West_European 5.27
5 South_Asian 3.87
6 Northwest_African 3.80
7 East_African 2.99
8 Palaeo_African 1.39


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Palestinian_HGDP @ 6.354855
2 Lebanese_Behar @ 6.354960
3 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 8.046951
4 Samaritians_Behar @ 9.192338
5 Jordanians_19_Behar @ 9.898376
6 Syrians_Behar @ 9.949624
7 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 10.088119
8 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 10.306976
9 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.674669
10 Druze_HGDP @ 10.873994
11 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 12.845924
12 Kurd_Xing @ 15.532431
13 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 15.748422
14 Egypt_Henn @ 17.289003
15 Kurd_Dodecad @ 17.459148
16 Turkish_Dodecad @ 17.550917
17 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.933535
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 19.800045
19 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 20.009874
20 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 20.139666

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Palestinian_HGDP +50% Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 3.930435


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar +25% Egyptans_Behar +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.177480


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing @ 2.013393
2 Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP @ 2.127526
3 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.177480
4 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.179075
5 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar @ 2.215529
6 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.221643
7 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.236155
8 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.242655
9 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.253340
10 Assyrian_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.263461
11 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.299969
12 Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.311349
13 Jordanians_19_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.321807
14 Jordanians_19_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Kurd_Xing @ 2.326556
15 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.332643
16 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_19_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP @ 2.335029
17 Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing @ 2.417250
18 Iranians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 2.424212
19 Iranians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.449187
20 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Iranians_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.457081

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 36.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.07
2 75.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 24.9% Libya (Henn) @ 3.34
3 58.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 41.2% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.4
4 70.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 29.1% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.43
5 69.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 30.1% Libya (Henn) @ 3.47
6 74.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 25.8% Libya (Henn) @ 3.6
7 78.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.62
8 84.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 15.3% North_African (Dodecad) @ 3.65
9 80.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Libya (Henn) @ 3.67
10 65.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 34.7% Egypt (Henn) @ 3.7
11 79.8% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 20.2% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.72
12 84% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 16% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.74
13 84.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 15.2% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.75
14 74.6% Palestinian (HGDP) + 25.4% Kurd (Xing) @ 3.77
15 76.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 23.1% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.78
16 80% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 20% Algeria (Henn) @ 3.81
17 77.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 22.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.91
18 81% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 19% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 3.95
19 62.5% Syrians (Behar) + 37.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.99
20 70.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 29.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 4

Lots of Jewish again. What did your autosomal results look like in the commercial test you took? Very interested to see.
The 3 populations approximation is really close to me just swap the Egyptian with Yemenite Jewish. ;)

[StonyArabia]

I am half Cherkess half Iraqi Bedouin



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian @ 7.524894
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 8.072983
3 Kurdish_Jewish @ 8.366365
4 Iranian_Jewish @ 8.388033
5 Lebanese_Muslim @ 10.395115
6 Syrian @ 10.605646
7 Turkish @ 10.704908
8 Armenian @ 11.659947
9 Azeri @ 11.701787
10 Iranian @ 13.498036
11 Kurdish @ 14.011524
12 Jordanian @ 15.297912
13 Cyprian @ 16.757572
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 17.338118
15 Lebanese_Christian @ 17.496786
16 Palestinian @ 17.831934
17 Samaritan @ 18.237112
18 Bedouin @ 20.031528
19 Tunisian_Jewish @ 23.493563
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 23.850504

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +50% Syrian @ 3.472009


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +25% Palestinian +25% Syrian @ 3.179758


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.339469
2 Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Ossetian @ 2.491824
3 Balkar + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 2.499412
4 Adygei + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.532942
5 Balkar + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.536456
6 Armenian + Egyptian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian @ 2.553645
7 Assyrian + Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.558801
8 Adygei + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 2.559072
9 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Syrian + Syrian @ 2.574348
10 Bedouin + Georgian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.577039
11 Egyptian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian @ 2.584598
12 Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 2.622163
13 Bedouin + Georgian + Iranian + Samaritan @ 2.636628
14 Abhkasian + Egyptian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.664334
15 Assyrian + Bedouin + Iranian + Turkish @ 2.667312
16 Egyptian + Georgian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.674177
17 Armenian + Assyrian + Bedouin + Iranian @ 2.679111
18 Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Turkish @ 2.681364
19 Abhkasian + Bedouin + Iranian + Samaritan @ 2.689346
20 Armenian + Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.692401

Done.

Elapsed time 0.1688 seconds.

My results

[Leto]

Both my parents are Jewish. My dad is half Sephardi Jewish and half Yemenite Jewish born in Israel and my mom is Mountain Jewish from Dagestan. But Lebanese and Jews are very closely related so it doesn't surprise me it came out quite Lebanese, there's even this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=382s) that scored very high amounts of Jewish on MyHeritage and I think it's safe to assume it's not actual recent Jewish ancestry, rather just evidence of our genetic affinity.
Yes, of course. I didn't mean you're not Jewish. Actually you appear to be closer to the Levantine natives than the Ashkenazim.

[Leto]

I am half Cherkess half Iraqi Bedouin



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian @ 7.524894
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 8.072983
3 Kurdish_Jewish @ 8.366365
4 Iranian_Jewish @ 8.388033
5 Lebanese_Muslim @ 10.395115
6 Syrian @ 10.605646
7 Turkish @ 10.704908
8 Armenian @ 11.659947
9 Azeri @ 11.701787
10 Iranian @ 13.498036
11 Kurdish @ 14.011524
12 Jordanian @ 15.297912
13 Cyprian @ 16.757572
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 17.338118
15 Lebanese_Christian @ 17.496786
16 Palestinian @ 17.831934
17 Samaritan @ 18.237112
18 Bedouin @ 20.031528
19 Tunisian_Jewish @ 23.493563
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 23.850504

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +50% Syrian @ 3.472009


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +25% Palestinian +25% Syrian @ 3.179758


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.339469
2 Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Ossetian @ 2.491824
3 Balkar + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 2.499412
4 Adygei + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.532942
5 Balkar + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.536456
6 Armenian + Egyptian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian @ 2.553645
7 Assyrian + Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.558801
8 Adygei + Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish @ 2.559072
9 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Syrian + Syrian @ 2.574348
10 Bedouin + Georgian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.577039
11 Egyptian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian @ 2.584598
12 Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 2.622163
13 Bedouin + Georgian + Iranian + Samaritan @ 2.636628
14 Abhkasian + Egyptian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.664334
15 Assyrian + Bedouin + Iranian + Turkish @ 2.667312
16 Egyptian + Georgian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.674177
17 Armenian + Assyrian + Bedouin + Iranian @ 2.679111
18 Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Turkish @ 2.681364
19 Abhkasian + Bedouin + Iranian + Samaritan @ 2.689346
20 Armenian + Azeri + Bedouin + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.692401

Done.

Elapsed time 0.1688 seconds.

My results
Looks like your Circassian side was already mixed with Arabs. Full Adyghe people score around 20% Baltic/N. Atlantic combined. You are only 4%. Even the oracle doesn't model you as 50%, only as 25% Adyghe.

[Sp_loa]

Myheritage reference is North African Jews in general, not nescerly sephardim, it includes Berber Jews as well. Ftdna reference is Turkush Jews and Greek jews from the USA which should be Sephardic Proper. Gedmatch result similar to a full Mizrahi result. Quart sephardi sounds reasonable.

[Sp_loa]

Seems like Mizrahi Jews are almost pure levantine and that the original Jews were very similar to modern day Syrians and lebanese. very interesting!

[StonyArabia]

Looks like your Circassian side was already mixed with Arabs. Full Adyghe people score around 20% Baltic/N. Atlantic combined. You are only 4%. Even the oracle doesn't model you as 50%, only as 25% Adyghe.

They are more Anatolian/Armenian like. My paternal side seem close to Caucasian Jews and Anatolians, so they are outliers. They also have Balkar ancestry. I am also more northern than the pure Bedouins. I don't think my paternal side is mixed with Arabs, as that would push them very South, perhaps levantine but I doubt it. Usually I get a large dose of Armenian or Turkish with some oracles and the McDonald plots. Plus if Russian cherkess are in Russia would they not be Russian admix? It's true that Cherkess in the diaspora often took local wives, which created unique phenotypes among them. My cherkess line lived in Turkey and still some of them live in the Kavkaz.

My McDonald results:

Bedouin_Nor 0.2653 Armenian 0.6745 Hazara 0.0602 or
Adygei 0.3006 Bedouin_Nor 0.3732 Armenian 0.3263 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.3509 Turkish 0.4053 Georgian 0.2438
Bedouin_Nor 0.2714 Turkish 0.3814 Armenian 0.3472
Adygei 0.4712 Jewish 0.0896 Bedouin_Nor 0.4392
Adygei 0.4567 Sephardic 0.1387 Bedouin_Nor 0.4046
Bedouin_Nor 0.3735 Iranian 0.3053 Georgian 0.3211

[Leto]

They are more Anatolian/Armenian like. My paternal side seem close to Caucasian Jews and Anatolians, so they are outliers. They also have Balkar ancestry. I am also more northern than the pure Bedouins. I don't think my paternal side is mixed with Arabs, as that would push them very South, perhaps levantine but I doubt it. Usually I get a large dose of Armenian or Turkish with some oracles and the McDonald plots. Plus if Russian cherkess are in Russia would they not be Russian admix? It's true that Cherkess in the diaspora often took local wives, which created unique phenotypes among them. My cherkess line lived in Turkey and still some of them live in the Kavkaz.

My McDonald results:

Bedouin_Nor 0.2653 Armenian 0.6745 Hazara 0.0602 or
Adygei 0.3006 Bedouin_Nor 0.3732 Armenian 0.3263 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.3509 Turkish 0.4053 Georgian 0.2438
Bedouin_Nor 0.2714 Turkish 0.3814 Armenian 0.3472
Adygei 0.4712 Jewish 0.0896 Bedouin_Nor 0.4392
Adygei 0.4567 Sephardic 0.1387 Bedouin_Nor 0.4046
Bedouin_Nor 0.3735 Iranian 0.3053 Georgian 0.3211
No, they don't have Russian admixture. The academic samples are surely not mixed with non-Circasians. However, they have some East Asian, sometimes up to 10%.

[StonyArabia]

No, they don't have Russian admixture. The academic samples are surely not mixed with non-Circasians. However, they have some East Asian, sometimes up to 10%.

Yeah I am around 5% East Asian and 3% East African. Based on my Mcdonald results you would say they are more Armenian/Anatolian like ? Then

[Leto]

Yeah I am around 5% East Asian and 3% East African. Based on my Mcdonald results you would say they are more Armenian/Anatolian like ? Then
Post Dodecad K12b please.

[Kamal900]

Both my parents are Jewish. My dad is half Sephardi Jewish and half Yemenite Jewish born in Israel and my mom is Mountain Jewish from Dagestan. But Lebanese and Jews are very closely related so it doesn't surprise me it came out quite Lebanese, there's even this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=382s) that scored very high amounts of Jewish on MyHeritage and I think it's safe to assume it's not actual recent Jewish ancestry, rather just evidence of our genetic affinity.



Lots of Jewish again. What did your autosomal results look like in the commercial test you took? Very interested to see.
The 3 populations approximation is really close to me just swap the Egyptian with Yemenite Jewish. ;)

Here's my FTDNA myOrigins results:
https://image.ibb.co/ccYexv/2017_07_14_05_34_04_my_FTDNA_My_Origins.png

[StonyArabia]

Post Dodecad K12b please.


Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.36
2 Southwest_Asian 21.03
3 Gedrosia 15.32
4 Atlantic_Med 9.09
5 North_European 3.50
6 South_Asian 2.92
7 East_African 2.53
8 Northwest_African 2.05
9 Siberian 1.64
10 Sub_Saharan 1.05


12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese_Behar @ 7.282288
2 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 8.426981
3 Syrians_Behar @ 8.880510
4 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.094115
5 Jordanians_Behar @ 11.141486
6 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 11.389429
7 Druze_HGDP @ 12.627500
8 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 13.046430
9 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 13.534404
10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 13.585689
11 Turks_Behar @ 14.017227
12 Palestinian_HGDP @ 14.375685
13 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.266433
14 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 15.803488
15 Kurd_Dodecad @ 15.939445
16 Iranian_Dodecad @ 16.933790
17 Armenian_Dodecad @ 17.787199
18 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 17.809555
19 Iranians_Behar @ 17.882458
20 Cypriots_Behar @ 18.246670

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Dodecad +50% Palestinian_HGDP @ 3.156192


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanians_Behar +25% Kurd_Dodecad +25% Turks_Behar @ 2.931874


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 1.824305
2 Druze_HGDP + Iranians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Yemenese_Behar @ 1.885710
3 Druze_HGDP + Iranians_Behar + Turks_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 1.968576
4 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 1.995689
5 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.031092
6 Iranian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.036356
7 Iranian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 2.048237
8 Cypriots_Behar + Iranian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.048419
9 Iranian_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turks_Behar @ 2.071549
10 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.090172
11 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.179216
12 Iranians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.225636
13 Armenian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.270923
14 Cypriots_Behar + Iranians_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.272436
15 Druze_HGDP + Iranian_Dodecad + Turks_Behar + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.276532
16 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.285092
17 Assyrian_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.287572
18 Iranians_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.327946
19 Druze_HGDP + Iranian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Yemenese_Behar @ 2.348911
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Syrians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.360173

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[happycow]

this is a very interesting thread. I am awaiting my dna results from 23andme and ancestry so I will post them here once i get them.

[waam]

Myheritage reference is North African Jews in general, not nescerly sephardim, it includes Berber Jews as well. Ftdna reference is Turkush Jews and Greek jews from the USA which should be Sephardic Proper. Gedmatch result similar to a full Mizrahi result. Quart sephardi sounds reasonable.
Funny because I score almost exactly the same amount of Sephardi on both tests although you're suggesting two different reference populations were used. Also my Sephardi is from Libya and I didn't score any seperate North African on Family Finder so it's interesting...


Yes, of course. I didn't mean you're not Jewish. Actually you appear to be closer to the Levantine natives than the Ashkenazim.
Yeah sure I was just making it clear. That being said, my mother is very often being mistaken (by both Jews and Arabs) for Arab.


Here's my FTDNA myOrigins results:
Cool thanks for sharing, there's mine for comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/VQ6x0vP.jpg

[Kamal900]

Funny because I score almost exactly the same amount of Sephardi on both tests although you're suggesting two different reference populations were used. Also my Sephardi is from Libya and I didn't score any seperate North African on Family Finder so it's interesting...


Yeah sure I was just making it clear. That being said, my mother is very often being mistaken (by both Jews and Arabs) for Arab.


Cool thanks for sharing, there's mine for comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/VQ6x0vP.jpg

Is your mother Yemenite Jewish? I cluster with these people quite close since they cluster with Southern Levantines and Saudis.

[Leto]

I cluster with these people quite close since they cluster with Southern Levantines and Saudis.
You don't look like them though. You are not brown at all.

[Teutonski]

Uploaded my raw dna data from FTDNA to MyHeritage.

https://i.imgur.com/CXoRDlM.png
Other 3.9% is broken down as 3% Ashkenazi and 0.9% Nigerian.

Sephardic score is too high again, assuming my known ancestry is correct. Only one grandparent is Sephardi, when I saw a similar Sephardi score on Family Finder (42%) I thought it just grouped some of my Mizrahi heritage as Sephardic, but it's consistent with this test as well so it raises a question mark...

Do you think the MyHeritage algorithm is reliable enough to base assumptions on these results?

Where do you live? In Israel? How long it took you till your dna arrived at the texas laboratory?

[waam]

Is your mother Yemenite Jewish? I cluster with these people quite close since they cluster with Southern Levantines and Saudis.
Nope my mother is Mountain Jewish


Where do you live? In Israel? How long it took you till your dna arrived at the texas laboratory?
Yeah I'm from Israel, tbh I don't really remember, I think the whole process from the moment I ordered my kit until I received my results took a little more than two months.

[Sp_loa]

Funny because I score almost exactly the same amount of Sephardi on both tests although you're suggesting two different reference populations were used. Also my Sephardi is from Libya and I didn't score any seperate North African on Family Finder so it's interesting...


Yeah sure I was just making it clear. That being said, my mother is very often being mistaken (by both Jews and Arabs) for Arab.


Cool thanks for sharing, there's mine for comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/VQ6x0vP.jpg

Sephardi from Libya? That's kind of unique. Few are the sephardic families that arrived to Libya. In North Africa Most went to Morocco/Algeria, much less to Tunisia (even than usually throw Italy) and almost non to Libya.
I score 12% Sephardic on FTDNA lol. On gedmatch I'm typical Sephardic that plot with Sicilians and South Italians.
I find FTDNA and Myheritage inaccurate. Try to upload to Gencove and DNA.land and other things

[Teutonski]

Nope my mother is Mountain Jewish


Yeah I'm from Israel, tbh I don't really remember, I think the whole process from the moment I ordered my kit until I received my results took a little more than two months.

Waiting a week now for my dna to arrive in their laboratory. I hope the fucking German Post wont mess up.

[Kamal900]

You don't look like them though. You are not brown at all.

Indeed which actually made people quite shocked actually.

[Leto]

Indeed which actually made people quite shocked actually.
You are lighter than the Aramean supremacist Randomguy.

[Sp_loa]

Indeed which actually made people quite shocked actually.

Your brother looks even more European than you. In all calculators you are almost 25% European (Greek/Balkan) which explains the phenotypes.

[Yago]

You're basically a native Israelite with no foreign admixture.

[waam]

Sephardi from Libya? That's kind of unique. Few are the sephardic families that arrived to Libya. In North Africa Most went to Morocco/Algeria, much less to Tunisia (even than usually throw Italy) and almost non to Libya.
I score 12% Sephardic on FTDNA lol. On gedmatch I'm typical Sephardic that plot with Sicilians and South Italians.
I find FTDNA and Myheritage inaccurate. Try to upload to Gencove and DNA.land and other things
I wouldn't necessarily say inaccurate but it's just that I wouldn't take them too literally. Like in Toppo's case he clearly doesn't have a Sephardi grandparent but he is very closely related to Jews so it showes up like this.
I don't know if I'd call DNA.LAND very accurate either because it lumps together a whole verity of ethnicities into each one category plus the weird lumping of Ashkenazi/Levantine with Mediterranean Islanders but here are my results:
https://i.imgur.com/sswdpFr.png



You're basically a native Israelite with no foreign admixture.
I might be. This or the foreign admixture is low and evens itself out.

[Kamal900]

You are lighter than the Aramean supremacist Randomguy.

Oh yes which is ironic if you think about it. I mean, even though I'm very light looking and so on, I don't express hatred or shame of my Arabic ethnic identity like him. I guess maybe because he faced racism in his younger years or whatever in America or something. It's not really a coincidence that people who often feel inferior tend to live in countries or regions where the host populace are more intelligent and so on where they have to draw straws to feel more equal and some shit like that.

[Kamal900]

I wouldn't necessarily say inaccurate but it's just that I wouldn't take them too literally. Like in Toppo's case he clearly doesn't have a Sephardi grandparent but he is very closely related to Jews so it showes up like this.
I don't know if I'd call DNA.LAND very accurate either because it lumps together a whole verity of ethnicities into each one category plus the weird lumping of Ashkenazi/Levantine with Mediterranean Islanders but here are my results:
https://i.imgur.com/sswdpFr.png



I might be. This or the foreign admixture is low and evens itself out.

Again, similar to mine:
http://image.ibb.co/df2CgR/Screenshot_25_10_2017_18_23_50.png

Well, um..my paternal family belong to a clan called "Bayt Al-Lafi" or "The House of Levy" in Arabic, and they were originally from Haifa before they migrated up north to Acre back in the day. Perhaps maybe it's an indication of me having direct Jewish Levitt ancestry? I mean, I don't know my Y-DNA yet and my maternal haplogroup is U3.

[StonyArabia]

Oh yes which is ironic if you think about it. I mean, even though I'm very light looking and so on, I don't express hatred or shame of my Arabic ethnic identity like him. I guess maybe because he faced racism in his younger years or whatever in America or something. It's not really a coincidence that people who often feel inferior tend to live in countries or regions where the host populace are more intelligent and so on where they have to draw straws to feel more equal and some shit like that.

I don't think they are more intelligent than him, but I believe he was probably mistreated or bullied. I am more northern shifted than randomguy1235 I cluster with Mountain Jews and Kurdish Jews, probably due to the nature of mixture. However I am darker and more Arabian looking than him, because phenotype does not equal genotype. According to 23andme I do carry the genetic trait of blue eyes, green eyes, blond and red hair of course looking at me you don't never expect it. You don't see me going and bragging about it like randomguy1235 lol. I look more like my maternal Uncles for example than my paternal ones. My sister is very light skinned, but with dark eyes and hair as she took more from the paternal side.

Randomguy1235 LOL would probably jizz if he had those hidden traits

[Stefanos.tasidis]

myheritage.com is absolutely horrible.
It thinks I am 8% North African. No such thing in 23andme or FTDna.

[Leto]

Oh yes which is ironic if you think about it. I mean, even though I'm very light looking and so on, I don't express hatred or shame of my Arabic ethnic identity like him. I guess maybe because he faced racism in his younger years or whatever in America or something. It's not really a coincidence that people who often feel inferior tend to live in countries or regions where the host populace are more intelligent and so on where they have to draw straws to feel more equal and some shit like that.
I think he doesn't identify as white. He is a race realist (you don't have to be white to acknowledge genetic differences and their importance) and he regrets the Islamization and Arabization of the Levant. Also, he has strong anti-Jewish sentiments for apparent reasons.

[Kamal900]

I think he doesn't identify as white. He is a race realist (you don't have to be white to acknowledge genetic differences and their importance) and he regrets the Islamization and Arabization of the Levant. Also, he has strong anti-Jewish sentiments for apparent reasons.

OWD doesn't strictly means that someone identifies him/herself with Whites. In can also means trying to associate him/herself with Europeans due to complex and so on. No, he was never really attacked them head on until recently due on the fact that they didn't accepted him when he showed his genetic ancestry to them. As for the whole Islamization and Arabization phenomenon in the Levant. While I do agree that I don't like Islam and all that, but at the same time, I'm not ashamed to be an Arab either, and Arabs had existed LONG before the rise of the three Abrahamic religions. Remember, the Arabian admixture among Palestinians is between 20 to 30% on average which is not insignificant in anyway, and we're genetically more closer to our neighbors in the Levant, Egypt and Arabia than to West Asiatics and Europeans as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that of course.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209472-Genetic-Stratigraphy-of-Key-Demographic-Events-in-Arabia

[Leto]

OWD doesn't strictly means that someone identifies him/herself with Whites. In can also means trying to associate him/herself with Europeans due to complex and so on. No, he was never really attacked them head on until recently due on the fact that they didn't accepted him when he showed his genetic ancestry to them. As for the whole Islamization and Arabization phenomenon in the Levant. While I do agree that I don't like Islam and all that, but at the same time, I'm not ashamed to be an Arab either, and Arabs had existed LONG before the rise of the three Abrahamic religions. Remember, the Arabian admixture among Palestinians is between 20 to 30% on average which is not insignificant in anyway, and we're genetically more closer to our neighbors in the Levant, Egypt and Arabia than to West Asiatics and Europeans as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that of course.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209472-Genetic-Stratigraphy-of-Key-Demographic-Events-in-Arabia
Actually it's fucking hilarious. The guy literally took his 23andme results and went to a synagogue trying to tell them he is a pure Aramean. LOL. The Jews there must have laughed their asses off at him. :lol:

[waam]

Again, similar to mine:
http://image.ibb.co/df2CgR/Screenshot_25_10_2017_18_23_50.png

Well, um..my paternal family belong to a clan called "Bayt Al-Lafi" or "The House of Levy" in Arabic, and they were originally from Haifa before they migrated up north to Acre back in the day. Perhaps maybe it's an indication of me having direct Jewish Levitt ancestry? I mean, I don't know my Y-DNA yet and my maternal haplogroup is U3.
Well yeah that gives it away I think it's clearly an indication. But either way based on your results solely it's hard to deny you have clear Jewish ancestry. Do you happen to know when the conversion/arabisation occurred? Because you do know about your affiliation to the Levi clan so I imagine it's fairly recent?


I don't think they are more intelligent than him, but I believe he was probably mistreated or bullied. I am more northern shifted than randomguy1235 I cluster with Mountain Jews and Kurdish Jews, probably due to the nature of mixture. However I am darker and more Arabian looking than him, because phenotype does not equal genotype. According to 23andme I do carry the genetic trait of blue eyes, green eyes, blond and red hair of course looking at me you don't never expect it. You don't see me going and bragging about it like randomguy1235 lol. I look more like my maternal Uncles for example than my paternal ones. My sister is very light skinned, but with dark eyes and hair as she took more from the paternal side.

Randomguy1235 LOL would probably jizz if he had those hidden traits
A lot of Mountain/Kurdish/Iraqi Jews are darker skinned and carry arabid traits even though they're more northern shifted so your phenotype doesn't necessarily contradict your genotype.

Any of you tried Gencove? What's your opinion on it? Haven't tried it yet.

[Haider]

Both my parents are Jewish. My dad is half Sephardi Jewish and half Yemenite Jewish born in Israel and my mom is Mountain Jewish from Dagestan. But Lebanese and Jews are very closely related so it doesn't surprise me it came out quite Lebanese, there's even this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=382s) that scored very high amounts of Jewish on MyHeritage and I think it's safe to assume it's not actual recent Jewish ancestry, rather just evidence of our genetic affinity.


Not really. It's just coincident due to your mix.

[waam]

Not really. It's just coincident due to your mix.
"Not really"... in what context? It's obvious I have foreign admixture since we've been in diaspora for 2000 years and I have stated before my foreign admixture probably evens itself out, but I still carry Levantine ancestry, for obvious reasons.

[Haider]

"Not really"... in what context? It's obvious I have foreign admixture since we've been in diaspora for 2000 years and I have stated before my foreign admixture probably evens itself out, but I still carry Levantine ancestry, for obvious reasons.

Yemeni Jews are pure Southern Arabians, Mountain Jews are morstly Mesopotamian in origin, and Sephardi is half European. You probably don't have much actual native Levantine ancestry.

[StonyArabia]

A lot of Mountain/Kurdish/Iraqi Jews are darker skinned and carry arabid traits even though they're more northern shifted so your phenotype doesn't necessarily contradict your genotype.

I see interesting, yeah there are some dark people in the paternal side of the family, but they are mostly light and very Caucasus looking, some have blue eyes, blond hair, and some even red. It could be that they were Jewish originally who converted and assimilated into the Cherkess identity, since they are outliers. They also have some Balkar, but for the most part they seem Mountain Jewish or Armenian like. We don't know due to the Russian conquest of 150 years ago. Yes Circassian Jews are mostly dark skinned and easily recognizable compared to their Circassian Adyghe or Karbadian neighbours. I am etty close to Caucasus and Kurdish Jews, as well Assyrians. It could be because of mixture which is Caucasian on the paternal line, but Iraqi Bedouin on the maternal line which makes go there. It's quite interesting that I am more north shifted as such.


Any of you tried Gencove? What's your opinion on it? Haven't tried it yet.

No I have not.



Yemeni Jews are pure Southern Arabians, Mountain Jews are morstly Mesopotamian in origin, and Sephardi is half European. You probably don't have much actual native Levantine ancestry.

Yemenite Jews are very close to other Arabians especially ethnic Saudis, Bedouins, and isolated Bedouin Iraqi tribes.

[Haider]

I see interesting, yeah there are some dark people in the paternal side of the family, but they are mostly light and very Caucasus looking, some have blue eyes, blond hair, and some even red. It could be that they were Jewish originally who converted and assimilated into the Cherkess identity, since they are outliers. They also have some Balkar, but for the most part they seem Mountain Jewish or Armenian like. We don't know due to the Russian conquest of 150 years ago. Yes Circassian Jews are mostly dark skinned and easily recognizable compared to their Circassian Adyghe or Karbadian neighbours. I am etty close to Caucasus and Kurdish Jews, as well Assyrians. It could be because of mixture which is Caucasian on the paternal line, but Iraqi Bedouin on the maternal line which makes go there. It's quite interesting that I am more north shifted as such.



No I have not.




Yemenite Jews are very close to other Arabians especially ethnic Saudis, Bedouins, and isolated Bedouin Iraqi tribes.

They are probably more representative of ancient south Arabians than central Arabians. They do seem to have some kind of east African influence compared to people in modern Saudi Arabia.

[waam]

I see interesting, yeah there are some dark people in the paternal side of the family, but they are mostly light and very Caucasus looking, some have blue eyes, blond hair, and some even red. It could be that they were Jewish originally who converted and assimilated into the Cherkess identity, since they are outliers. They also have some Balkar, but for the most part they seem Mountain Jewish or Armenian like. We don't know due to the Russian conquest of 150 years ago. Yes Circassian Jews are mostly dark skinned and easily recognizable compared to their Circassian Adyghe or Karbadian neighbours. I am etty close to Caucasus and Kurdish Jews, as well Assyrians. It could be because of mixture which is Caucasian on the paternal line, but Iraqi Bedouin on the maternal line which makes go there. It's quite interesting that I am more north shifted as such.

Interesting. I would upload my results to MyHeritage if I were you since they have a specific cluster for Mizrahi, so if you have actual Mountain Jewish ancestry it should show up.


Yemeni Jews are pure Southern Arabians, Mountain Jews are morstly Mesopotamian in origin, and Sephardi is half European. You probably don't have much actual native Levantine ancestry.
One of my Mountain Jewish matchs' results on GEDmatch:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.67
2 West_Asian 30.04
3 West_Med 13.56
4 Red_Sea 9.88
5 South_Asian 4.85
6 Baltic 3.09
7 Amerindian 0.63
8 North_Atlantic 0.46
9 Sub-Saharan 0.36
10 Siberian 0.29
11 Northeast_African 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 4.75
2 Kurdish_Jewish 6.05
3 Georgian_Jewish 6.3
4 Iranian_Jewish 6.64
5 Lebanese_Muslim 8.35
6 Armenian 9.51
7 Syrian 9.53
8 Turkish 10.8
9 Cyprian 12.47
10 Azeri 12.55
11 Lebanese_Christian 13.26
12 Kurdish 13.79
13 Iranian 13.88
14 Lebanese_Druze 14.06
15 Samaritan 14.25
16 Jordanian 14.66
17 Palestinian 16.11
18 Bedouin 19.15
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.09
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.9% Georgian_Jewish + 38.1% Syrian @ 2.96
2 58.9% Georgian_Jewish + 41.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.35
3 91.5% Assyrian + 8.5% Moroccan @ 3.42
4 50.9% Kurdish + 49.1% Samaritan @ 3.5
5 72.6% Georgian_Jewish + 27.4% Samaritan @ 3.53
6 91.9% Assyrian + 8.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.57
7 86.2% Georgian_Jewish + 13.8% Tunisian @ 3.57
8 73.8% Assyrian + 26.2% Syrian @ 3.57
9 91.7% Assyrian + 8.3% Algerian @ 3.63
10 87.3% Georgian_Jewish + 12.7% Moroccan @ 3.64
11 69.9% Georgian_Jewish + 30.1% Cyprian @ 3.66
12 79.8% Georgian_Jewish + 20.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.66
13 91.5% Assyrian + 8.5% Tunisian @ 3.67
14 87% Georgian_Jewish + 13% Algerian @ 3.7
15 81.1% Georgian_Jewish + 18.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.7
16 87.5% Georgian_Jewish + 12.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.77
17 50.1% Armenian + 49.9% Syrian @ 3.79
18 86.8% Assyrian + 13.2% Bedouin @ 3.79
19 79.7% Georgian_Jewish + 20.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.8
20 78.9% Georgian_Jewish + 21.1% Bedouin @ 3.81

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Jewish +50% Syrian @ 3.705667


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Syrian @ 3.555611


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Syrian @ 3.357179
2 Armenian + Iranian + Samaritan + Syrian @ 3.528001
3 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.529824
4 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Samaritan @ 3.544323
5 Armenian + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian + Syrian @ 3.550680
6 Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.555611
7 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.557463
8 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Samaritan + Turkish @ 3.581173
9 Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Samaritan + Syrian @ 3.586030
10 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.587278
11 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.598176
12 Armenian + Iranian + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritan @ 3.601586
13 Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Lebanese_Christian + Syrian @ 3.608028
14 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish + Syrian @ 3.613234
15 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritan @ 3.617412
16 Abhkasian + Iranian_Jewish + Samaritan + Syrian @ 3.633034
17 Georgian + Iranian_Jewish + Samaritan + Syrian @ 3.637982
18 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Syrian + Syrian @ 3.642612
19 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Iranian + Samaritan @ 3.654276
20 Armenian + Cyprian + Iranian + Samaritan @ 3.655620

Sure it shows Assyrian in the single population approximation, which is Mesopotamian, but they are not a single population, they have been living in diaspora for thousands of years thus have foreign admixute.

[waam]

Yemenite Jews are very close to other Arabians especially ethnic Saudis, Bedouins, and isolated Bedouin Iraqi tribes.

They are probably more representative of ancient south Arabians than central Arabians. They do seem to have some kind of east African influence compared to people in modern Saudi Arabia.
To be honest I'm not sure Yemenite Jews are homogeneous enough for them to all cluster together with a single population, some might be more South Arabian like and others might be more Central or Northern Arabian like.
A good example would be these 3 Yemenite Jews, Margalit Tsanani, very east african influenced. Itay Levi, Arabian/Levantine looking and Eitan Cabel who is very Levatine looking.
http://www.disccenter.co.il/content/products/prodimage_9147.jpg
http://www.matnas-ramla.co.il/productImages2/28/2016/06/13/image1465803724.jpg
http://www.srugim.co.il/i/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/F150603HP25__w645h390q80.jpg

[Leto]

The third man can easily pass as white. Not so Levantine to me.

[Longbowman]

They are called 'Maghrebi Jews' (Maghreb meaning west in arabic referring to the North African countries western of Egypt), but I don't know if they are even considered a different distinct group, rather a part of what makes up current day Sephardis from North Africa? To be perfectly honest though I only fairly recently learned there even was Jewish settlement in North Africa prior to the Spanish Expulsion.

A handful of North African Jews are pre-Sephardim, like the Djerbans, but I think it's a Sephardic reference.

[Kamal900]

Well yeah that gives it away I think it's clearly an indication. But either way based on your results solely it's hard to deny you have clear Jewish ancestry. Do you happen to know when the conversion/arabisation occurred? Because you do know about your affiliation to the Levi clan so I imagine it's fairly recent?


Most likely from the Ottoman period considering that my paternal ancestors fled Haifa around more than 300 years ago to Acre or something. I mean, even my paternal grandfather, who was born in the village of Al-Kwikat in February 12th, 1900, didn't even know what the word "Lafy" means until a Jewish member here clarified it to me that it an Arabized name from the Jewish name "Levy".

[Kamal900]

Actually it's fucking hilarious. The guy literally took his 23andme results and went to a synagogue trying to tell them he is a pure Aramean. LOL. The Jews there must have laughed their asses off at him. :lol:

Which pretty much confirms my accusation against him in suffering inferiority complex.

[StonyArabia]

Which pretty much confirms my accusation against him in suffering inferiority complex.

He is just a laughing stock, wanting Jewish and European acceptance. There is nothing about him being a real realist or whatever term, he just wanted to appeal to Whites, so they can roll the red carpet for him in his head, just like he thought that Jews were going to accept him. One should accept the reality and be proud of what he or she is. He only made a fool out of himself

[Kamal900]

He is just a laughing stock, wanting Jewish and European acceptance. There is nothing about him being a real realist or whatever term, he just wanted to appeal to Whites, so they can roll the red carpet for him in his head, just like he thought that Jews were going to accept him. One should accept the reality and be proud of what he or she is. He only made a fool out of himself

Indeed, but sadly there are people who can't seem to accept such facts.

[StonyArabia]

Indeed, but sadly there are people who can't seem to accept such facts.

Some people suffer from a colonial mentality and plus want the perks of being White or Jewish. Honestly neither Jews or Whites are going to accept him. He looks what the Arab stereotypical face especially in the America's. Since Levantines are the Arab majority here, not us Gulf/Bedouin types lol. Here not even Armenians are seen as White they are much fairer than he is. He only began talking about race realism, not because he believes it, but because he wants to appeal to some of the racialist/racist Whites. Though the funniest thing after his dna shows him to have North African/Berber shift he still looks down on them, and then went to several Jewish temples/synagogues thinking they might accept him, and they must have laughed their asses off. That said he is the Mideast version of Uncle Ruckus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmIrq1bOafA

[Kamal900]

Some people suffer from a colonial mentality and plus want the perks of being White or Jewish. Honestly neither Jews or Whites are going to accept him. He looks what the Arab stereotypical face especially in the America's. Since Levantines are the Arab majority here, not us Gulf/Bedouin types lol. Here not even Armenians are seen as White they are much fairer than he is. He only began talking about race realism, not because he believes it, but because he wants to appeal to some of the racialist/racist Whites. Though the funniest thing after his dna shows him to have North African/Berber shift he still looks down on them, and then went to several Jewish temples/synagogues thinking they might accept him, and they must have laughed their asses off. That said he is the Mideast version of Uncle Ruckus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmIrq1bOafA

True. Berbers and their Arabized counterparts are really good people, and honestly, I'd feel guilty if I ever had ill thoughts against them. I mean, the Maghreb treats very well and our relations with them are very friendly as well. It's not like say our relations with the Lebanese for example. Again, I don't judge an individual or a group of people based on their nationality or whatever but rather by their deeds and virtues.

[StonyArabia]

True. Berbers and their Arabized counterparts are really good people, and honestly, I'd feel guilty if I ever had ill thoughts against them. I mean, the Maghreb treats very well and our relations with them are very friendly as well. It's not like say our relations with the Lebanese for example. Again, I don't judge an individual or a group of people based on their nationality or whatever but rather by their deeds and virtues.

Randomguy1235 is very delusional. He also forgets that Iraq was the strongest supporter of the Palestinian cause, which is why the Anglo-Americans waged the war against it in 2003. Not to mention Iraqis are largely of Arabian descent. He just looks down on Berbers, Arabians and others because they are darker, and in his mind he is a White guy. That what it really boils down to. He also used to look down on Iraqis

[waam]

A handful of North African Jews are pre-Sephardim, like the Djerbans, but I think it's a Sephardic reference.

Good to know. Well now I don't know whether my Libyan Jewish is Sephardic or pre-Sephardic haha. Always Just called it Sephardic because that I believed was the sole origin of Jews in North Africa. But here in Israel people don't get into this, so no one actually knows. But to my knowledge my family from the Libyan side did not speak Ladino, at least not recently. Not that any of that matters really.

[Sp_loa]

A handful of North African Jews are pre-Sephardim, like the Djerbans, but I think it's a Sephardic reference.

Few are the Sephardim who arrived to Libya. In most maps of the expulsion you won't even see Libya as a place where Sephardim arrived to. Most Sephardim in North Africa settled in Northern Morocco and Coastal Algeria (some in the Atlas Mountains). To Tunisia they arrived mainly throw Italy and Egyptians Sephardim are Eastern Sephardim (arrived mainly from Turkey) and not North African Sephardim.

https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/sephardic-jews.jpg

[Sp_loa]

Good to know. Well now I don't know whether my Libyan Jewish is Sephardic or pre-Sephardic haha. Always Just called it Sephardic because that I believed was the sole origin of Jews in North Africa. But here in Israel people don't get into this, so no one actually knows. But to my knowledge my family from the Libyan side did not speak Ladino, at least not recently. Not that any of that matters really.

The original North African Jews lack of the European DNA that Sephardim have. There is a difference between Sephardic from the religious perspective ( every non Yemenite and non Ashkenazi Jewish)- by this definition even Ethiopian Jews are Sephardic. That's why in Israel people think Sephardi and Mizrahi is the same. Ethnic Sephardi is a Jewish who is descendant to the communities of Iberia (Arrived mostly to the Balkans and Coastal North West Africa).

[Sp_loa]

The third man can easily pass as white. Not so Levantine to me.

He took a DNA test and apparently he is 20% Turkish if I remember correctly. His family mixed during the Ottoman Empire periods. Some Yemenite Jews are very Light due to colonialistic Admix (British/Turkish).

[waam]

The original North African Jews lack of the European DNA that Sephardim have. There is a difference between Sephardic from the religious perspective ( every non Yemenite and non Ashkenazi Jewish)- by this definition even Ethiopian Jews are Sephardic. That's why in Israel people think Sephardi and Mizrahi is the same. Ethnic Sephardi is a Jewish who is descendant to the communities of Iberia (Arrived mostly to the Balkans and Coastal North West Africa).
Yeah I know there is a difference between Sephardi the religious term and Sephardi the ethnicity, but as I said before I genuinely thought all North African Jewry originated from those Jews.

[Sp_loa]

Yeah I know there is a difference between Sephardi the religious term and Sephardi the ethnicity, but as I said before I genuinely thought all North African Jewry originated from those Jews.

Your DNA results are consistent with mostly levantine/West Asian DNA results. I'm pretty sure you are not that mixed Very low European and I have seen non Beber Admix. Almost pre-diaspora results. Very cool! Judging you gedmatch results I would say you North African Admix isn't fully Sephardic but rather original levantine Jews settled in North Africa with some sephardic, only your yemenite side is really mixed but overall you are very similar to the original Jews from the levant. Only I'm super mixed :(

[waam]

Your DNA results are consistent with mostly levantine/West Asian DNA results. I'm pretty sure you are not that mixed Very low European and I have seen non Beber Admix. Almost pre-diaspora results. Very cool! Judging you gedmatch results I would say you North African Admix isn't fully Sephardic but rather original levantine Jews settled in North Africa with some sephardic, only your yemenite side is really mixed but overall you are very similar to the original Jews from the levant. Only I'm super mixed :(

I see. So you think the Yemenite is the only major foreign admixture? Funnily MyHeritage didn't pick up any of that Yemenite even though they have a Yemenite Jewish cluster.
I might upload some pictures to the Taxonomy section in the future so you'd have to see whether I fit into your image of the original Jews lol. ;) Also there's nothing wrong with being mixed.

[Sp_loa]

I see. So you think the Yemenite is the only major foreign admixture? Funnily MyHeritage didn't pick up any of that Yemenite even though they have a Yemenite Jewish cluster.
I might upload some pictures to the Taxonomy section in the future so you'd have to see whether I fit into your image of the original Jews lol. ;) Also there's nothing wrong with being mixed.

Taxonomy is pesudo sience so don’t take it super seriously . The more interesting part is where people think you can pass.

[waam]

Yeah I know I said it jokingly

[Leto]

A question to the Israelis here: how many mixed Jews are there in Israel? Are most babies mixed now? I think it's actually good to build a coherent Israeli nation by mixing all Jewish groups into one Hebrew-speaking Israeli nation.

[Sp_loa]

A question to the Israelis here: how many mixed Jews are there in Israel? Are most babies mixed now? I think it's actually good to build a coherent Israeli nation by mixing all Jewish groups into one Hebrew-speaking Israeli nation.

A lot are mixed. But there is still Racism between Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews so in some areas of "Ashkenazi supremacy" there is less mixing. Ethiopian and Indian Jews Are almost never mixed yet.
I'm for people to be with who they like. If I'll ever get married I don't want to be with a Jew

[waam]

I wouldn't call it racism since we're all essentially the same race, prejudice would be more fitting... But either way I personally find it hard to agree. As a full Mizrahi with an Arab surname I can tell you I've never been discriminated against.

[Leto]

I think the Ashkenazim are simply more intelligent (and therefore better educated) on average, hence superior in a way.

[waam]

Well I don't know about that, I don't sense any kind of Ashkenazi supremacy. I think it's just an excuse for non Ashkenazis to have someone to blame for their problems.

Anyway, Gencove results are in. Similar to DNA.land. I wonder if it's similar to what I would have gotten if I took the AncestryDNA test (East Med swapped with South Europe/Italy-Greece).

https://api.urlbox.io/v1/HHGDoabb0j826zzr/e810a371c580bd246b193ca3ce1483384637c2f8/png?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhd-img-ancestry.gencove.com%2F%23%2Fuser%2F67ce37ef-dd97-43e4-96a5-9d86a768260c%3Fv%3D4%26c%3Dfc04656f&width=2100&height=1440&wait_for=%23url2png-cheese

[Sp_loa]

I think the Ashkenazim are simply more intelligent (and therefore better educated) on average, hence superior in a way.

Funny enough Sephardim and Mizrahim (Including my self- with the highest grades in my entire school and I was offered to finish a B.S by 17 but I refused) are getting the highest scores in tests in my school. Even more funny a Mizrahi girl from my school is already part of a research in the university for curing cancer and she finished math 3 years before everyone. My uncles are professors and my great uncle (first generation in Israel didn't have money to eat back then) finished his B.S at 17!

The only difference between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi is the education they had in the diaspora. I refuse to believe there is a genetic intelligence difference.

[waam]

Funny enough Sephardim and Mizrahim (Including my self- with the highest grades in my entire school and I was offered to finish a B.S by 17 but I refused) are getting the highest scores in tests in my school. Even more funny a Mizrahi girl from my school is already part of a research in the university for curing cancer and she finished math 3 years before everyone. My uncles are professors and my great uncle (first generation in Israel didn't have money to eat back then) finished his B.S at 17!

The only difference between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi is the education they had in the diaspora. I refuse to believe there is a genetic intelligence difference.

Totally agree, thumbs up.

[Sp_loa]

Totally agree, thumbs up.

You don't know how mad I get because of these things. I had Ashkenazim telling me "How can you be so smart considering your ethnic origin" FUCK IT.

[Leto]

The Ashkenazim are said to have the highest average IQ in the world. Denying this is anti-Semitism to me :p

[Sp_loa]

The Ashkenazim are said to have the highest average IQ in the world. Denying this is anti-Semitism to me :p

Do you really think IQ is 100% neutral? do you really think that ethiopian Jews average IQ is 80 and Ashkenazi average IQ is 115 and it has nothing to do with environmental factors like former education??? how naive can people be...
I can promise you that if you would do an IQ test in my class the Mizrahim and Sephardim will score the highest result....

[Leto]

Do you really think IQ is 100% neutral? do you really think that ethiopian Jews average IQ is 80 and Ashkenazi average IQ is 115 and it has nothing to do with environmental factors like former education??? how naive can people be...
I can promise you that if you would do an IQ test in my class the Mizrahim and Sephardim will score the highest result....
I'm not saying those stats are 100% correct, but obviously blacks are the lowest in terms of IQ. Look at basically every black-majority country be it Nigeria, Zimbabwe or Haiti.
Ethiopian Jews are basically Ethiopians who follow Judaism, nothing more. Ethiopia despite having been a European colony only briefly is also very underdeveloped.

[Sp_loa]

I'm not saying those stats are 100% correct, but obviously blacks are the lowest in terms of IQ. Look at basically every black-majority country be it Nigeria, Zimbabwe or Haiti.
Ethiopian Jews are basically Ethiopians who follow Judaism, nothing more. Ethiopia despite having been a European colony only briefly is also very underdeveloped.

I will repeat my words again- IQ tests are objectively influenced from your former educational level. I don't care if it was planned to be 100% neutral test. You will hear about Sephardim and Mizrahim doing changes in the world (I hope I'll be one of them) . It will just take some time because only in this generation educational differences are starting to disappear.

[Leto]

I will repeat my words again- IQ tests are objectively influenced from your former educational level. I don't care if it was planned to be 100% neutral test. You will hear about Sephardim and Mizrahim doing changes in the world (I hope I'll be one of them) . It will just take some time because only in this generation educational differences are starting to disappear.
Well, I do agree that Sephardim may not be significantly different from Ashkenazim. Actually, I'm clueless about their average IQ. It's still probably over 90. Israel's average IQ is reported to be around 95%. Don't know whether they included non-Jews in the average. Christian Arabs in Israel are supposedly successful in terms of education.

[Sp_loa]

Well, I do agree that Sephardim may not be significantly different from Ashkenazim. Actually, I'm clueless about their average IQ. It's still probably over 90. Israel's average IQ is reported to be around 95%. Don't whether they included non-Jews in the average.

Last time I read Sephardim average IQ was about 105, Mizrahim was about 95 and Ashkenazim was about 115.
I still refuse to believe it is a genetic based. I believe it is environmental depended.

With my "lowe IQ" I am the one helping Ashkenazim from my class with math ( As I finished highschool math by my own in 9th grade without any difficulty) and not vise versa.

[Leto]

Last time I read Sephardim average IQ was about 105, Mizrahim was about 95 and Ashkenazim was about 115.
I still refuse to believe it is a genetic based. I believe it is environmental depended.
95 is the average IQ of certain European countries particularly in the Balkans and 105 is actually an East Asian level. Anyway, the average IQ of a certain group does not mean everyone in that group is the same. There are very intelligent blacks and dumb Asians and whites too, of course.

[Longbowman]

Good to know. Well now I don't know whether my Libyan Jewish is Sephardic or pre-Sephardic haha. Always Just called it Sephardic because that I believed was the sole origin of Jews in North Africa. But here in Israel people don't get into this, so no one actually knows. But to my knowledge my family from the Libyan side did not speak Ladino, at least not recently. Not that any of that matters really.

Probably pre-Sephardic, unless they came from Italy. Probably why you score so highly, I imagine European Sephardim like me will have some of their score subsumed into the Ashkenazi reference.


Few are the Sephardim who arrived to Libya. In most maps of the expulsion you won't even see Libya as a place where Sephardim arrived to. Most Sephardim in North Africa settled in Northern Morocco and Coastal Algeria (some in the Atlas Mountains). To Tunisia they arrived mainly throw Italy and Egyptians Sephardim are Eastern Sephardim (arrived mainly from Turkey) and not North African Sephardim.

https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/sephardic-jews.jpg

Yes, although many Egyptian Sephardim came from Italy in the late 19th/early 20th century.

Anyway, this site has not been very accurate for me, particularly with Sephardic and Mizrakhi ancestry.

[waam]

Probably pre-Sephardic, unless they came from Italy. Probably why you score so highly, I imagine European Sephardim like me will have some of their score subsumed into the Ashkenazi reference.

Probably why I score so highly on what component?


Anyway, this site has not been very accurate for me, particularly with Sephardic and Mizrakhi ancestry.
FTDNA or MyHreitage?

[waam]

He took a DNA test and apparently he is 20% Turkish if I remember correctly. His family mixed during the Ottoman Empire periods. Some Yemenite Jews are very Light due to colonialistic Admix (British/Turkish).

Also I wanted to say something about it but forgot.
The Asia Minor cluster does not necessarily indicate Turkish Ancestry. It's equivalent to "Caucasus" on Ancestry or "West Asian" on MyHeritage, which is part of the make up of Levantines. So if anything it probably indicates his Levantine roots more than anything else (in addition to the West Middle East cluster). But then again you can't know for sure.

[Longbowman]

Probably why I score so highly on what component?

North Africa Sephardic.


FTDNA or MyHreitage?

MyHeritage, but also FTDNA.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Bushmen have the lowest IQ of the word, but do you know how kill an antelope of overheat?

IQ is bullshit, each specific circunstance needs different types of inteligence.

[waam]

North Africa Sephardic.



MyHeritage, but also FTDNA.

Can you post your results? Interested to see how they came out. It wasn't really accurate for me either, it just detected it's Jewish ancestry but didn't assign it properly.

[Longbowman]

Can you post your results? Interested to see how they came out. It wasn't really accurate for me either, it just detected it's Jewish ancestry but didn't assign it properly.

FTDNA gave me 90% Ashkenazi (too high), 5% Sephardi (too low), 3% SE Europe (fictional), and trace Native American (fictional), North Africa (fictional), and Middle East (too low).

I uploaded Ancestry and 23andme to MyHeritage for free and they gave me super bizarre results (like 10% Welsh, for example) but the one I actually bought from them was not that bad, but still wrong.

93.3% Ashkenazi (too high), 5.8% Middle East (about correct), 0.9% Native American (fictional).

23andme is much better.

[waam]

FTDNA gave me 90% Ashkenazi (too high), 5% Sephardi (too low), 3% SE Europe (fictional), and trace Native American (fictional), North Africa (fictional), and Middle East (too low).

I uploaded Ancestry and 23andme to MyHeritage for free and they gave me super bizarre results (like 10% Welsh, for example) but the one I actually bought from them was not that bad, but still wrong.

93.3% Ashkenazi (too high), 5.8% Middle East (about correct), 0.9% Native American (fictional).

23andme is much better.

It depends, for people from West Asia it's kinda useless because it groups everything from as north as the Caucasus to as south as Arabia together under "Middle Eastern."
Although there's this new update now, but we have yet to see if it's any good.

[Longbowman]

It depends, for people from West Asia it's kinda useless because it groups everything from as north as the Caucasus to as south as Arabia together under "Middle Eastern."
Although there's this new update now, but we have yet to see if it's any good.

Useless, perhaps, but not inaccurate.

Yes, let's reserve judgement.

[Petalpusher]

Bushmen have the lowest IQ of the word, but do you know how kill an antelope of overheat?

IQ is bullshit, each specific circunstance needs different types of inteligence.

Give it the time and the necessity, anybody would be able to do it, and if you couldn't you would die anyway, so only those who could do it would be there to acknowledge that fact.

But it's true certain type of intelligences will be naturally selected in this case, mostly spatial and situational.

[User50]

Interesting is that in Brazil, there are two types of north african jews: a ladino speaker with origin in Iberian jews that fled to North Africa and other that was there much before sephardic arrived, probable from phoenician times. I never know how to name the last.

Phoenician Jews in the Americas? That reminds me of the Afrocentric theories that sub-Saharan Africans discovered the Americas at some point around 1500 BC and that they built the Olmec heads and Aztec pyramids.

Even the claim about the Phoenicians rounding the Cape of Good Hope isn't taken that seriously by historians. But that is far more believable than the idea that the Phoenicians settled America.

[Sp_loa]

FTDNA gave me 90% Ashkenazi (too high), 5% Sephardi (too low), 3% SE Europe (fictional), and trace Native American (fictional), North Africa (fictional), and Middle East (too low).

I uploaded Ancestry and 23andme to MyHeritage for free and they gave me super bizarre results (like 10% Welsh, for example) but the one I actually bought from them was not that bad, but still wrong.

93.3% Ashkenazi (too high), 5.8% Middle East (about correct), 0.9% Native American (fictional).

23andme is much better.

I think the Sephardim from Europe score more Ashkenazi on DNA Tests. I also saw many Spaniards (non Jewish results) and in most cases they score Ashkenazi and not Sephardi.
I score Ashkenazi too on some calculators, assuming it comes from my Greek Sephardi and my Amsterdamer Sephardi (converters returned to Judaism) more distant sides. In Gedmatch plots I'm closer to Balkan Sephardim than to Algerian/Tunisian Jews, which is interesting. On some PCA plots im in the place of half AJ half SJ hahaha

[Teucer]

Gedmatch.Com
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.36
2 Southwest_Asian 21.03
3 Gedrosia 15.32
4 Atlantic_Med 9.09
5 North_European 3.50
6 South_Asian 2.92
7 East_African 2.53
8 Northwest_African 2.05
9 Siberian 1.64
10 Sub_Saharan 1.05


12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese_Behar @ 7.282288
2 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 8.426981
3 Syrians_Behar @ 8.880510
4 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 10.094115
5 Jordanians_Behar @ 11.141486
6 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 11.389429
7 Druze_HGDP @ 12.627500
8 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 13.046430
9 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 13.534404
10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 13.585689
11 Turks_Behar @ 14.017227
12 Palestinian_HGDP @ 14.375685
13 Turkish_Dodecad @ 15.266433
14 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 15.803488
15 Kurd_Dodecad @ 15.939445
16 Iranian_Dodecad @ 16.933790
17 Armenian_Dodecad @ 17.787199
18 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 17.809555
19 Iranians_Behar @ 17.882458
20 Cypriots_Behar @ 18.246670
.

How can you have Lebanese come up first but Cypriot come up last? Whenever someone has Cypriot turn up Lebanese isn't too far behind

[Longbowman]

I think the Sephardim from Europe score more Ashkenazi on DNA Tests. I also saw many Spaniards (non Jewish results) and in most cases they score Ashkenazi and not Sephardi.
I score Ashkenazi too on some calculators, assuming it comes from my Greek Sephardi and my Amsterdamer Sephardi (converters returned to Judaism) more distant sides. In Gedmatch plots I'm closer to Balkan Sephardim than to Algerian/Tunisian Jews, which is interesting. On some PCA plots im in the place of half AJ half SJ hahaha

Maybe we're cousins.

Yes, I think this is likely true.


Phoenician Jews in the Americas? That reminds me of the Afrocentric theories that sub-Saharan Africans discovered the Americas at some point around 1500 BC and that they built the Olmec heads and Aztec pyramids.

Even the claim about the Phoenicians rounding the Cape of Good Hope isn't taken that seriously by historians. But that is far more believable than the idea that the Phoenicians settled America.

http://thecripplegate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mormons-1024x924.jpg

[User50]

Can somebody provide some Ashkenazi samples? I've heard it claimed on here that Ashkenazi Jews have 1%+ SSA. Honestly I'd like to see that with my own eyes. I am rather skeptical of that claim.

I'm relatively certain that the SSA in Sephardi comes from mixing with Berbers after they were expelled from Spain. And I'm inclined to think that any rare SSA in Ashkenazis would come through mixing with Sephardis.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Phoenician Jews in the Americas? That reminds me of the Afrocentric theories that sub-Saharan Africans discovered the Americas at some point around 1500 BC and that they built the Olmec heads and Aztec pyramids.

Even the claim about the Phoenicians rounding the Cape of Good Hope isn't taken that seriously by historians. But that is far more believable than the idea that the Phoenicians settled America.

I'm talking about maroccan jews invited by brazilian emperor to live in the amazonic forest area during century XIX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonian_Jews


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxPt4JJokCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sADtSTMfBF8

[Sp_loa]

I'm talking about maroccan jews invited by brazilian emperor to live in the amazonic forest area during century XIX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonian_Jews


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxPt4JJokCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sADtSTMfBF8

A branch of my family (from 150 years ago) are Amazonian Jews, And I’m related to the most important people of the community . They are the reason I took a DNA test but I have no results from Brazil :(

[Sacrificed Ram]

A branch of my family (from 150 years ago) are Amazonian Jews, And I’m related to the most important people of the community . They are the reason I took a DNA test but I have no results from Brazil :(

Interesting, jew migration to Amazonia was almost a male only migration, then most cannot be considered jews just after the first generation.

[Tauromachos]

No Italian, interesting. A lot of Jews score it.

He seems to be a purer Jew with less Euro admixture from Romans

[Sp_loa]

Interesting, jew migration to Amazonia was almost a male only migration, then most cannot be considered jews just after the first generation.

Yup, I'm descendant to a woman (my GGGG mother) that stayed in Morocco while all of her siblings (and other families) went to the Amazonas. I'm related to a person who was very important person in community of Manaus. They are ladino speakers that pray in the Sephardic synagogue.

[Sp_loa]

He seems to be a purer Jew with less Euro admixture from Romans

Probably because of less Sephardic admix, and more Megrhabi Jewish admix, but he does have some European tendencies in his DNA test, don't forget he is also 3/4 Mizrahi and Yemenite Jews (while Yemenite Jews are almost identical to Arabs genetically and Mizrahim to Levantines and West Asians).

[Sp_loa]

Interesting is that in Brazil, there are two types of north african jews: a ladino speaker with origin in Iberian jews that fled to North Africa and other that was there much before sephardic arrived, probable from phoenician times. I never know how to name the last.

In Morocco there were 2 groups : The Tohavim (local Megrahbi Jews that settled in North Africa since first temple days) and the Megorashim (Sephardim that came from Iberia and Southern Italy in the 15-16th centuries). They lived separately, prayed in different synagogues and spoke different languages until the 18th century. About that time they started to mix with each other and had an agreement - Everyone would speak Judeo-Arabic but everyone will take the Sephardic liturgy. Since then most of the Moroccan Jews are hybrids of Sephardim and Megrahbi Jews, exceptions are the far south of Morocco where they are almost pure Megrahbi Jews (Sephardim almost never arrived to the far south) and the far north (Tangier-Tetouan area) where most of the Jews in these communities are pure Sephardim that still speak Ladino/modern Spanish (in Israel they are stereotyped of being the white Moroccan Jews, which is sometimes true).

When these 2 groups Jews went to Brazil, it was before they mixed, and because of that you would still find today these 2 communities living in separate, speaking 2 different languages, and praying in 2 different types of synagogues.

BTW In Israel the same thing happened with the Mizrahim- they adopted they Sephardic liturgy and therefore there are only 3 types of Synagogues- Sephardic (for Sephardim,Mizrahim and Indian and Ethiopian Jews), Ashkenazi one and Yemenite one. That's why sometimes the term Sephardic includes all non Ashkenazi types of Jews, even if historically and genetically that's not true (and I hate it when Persian Jews or Iraqi Jews consider themselves "Iberian Jews".) In Israel many times the Sephardic Rabbi isn't really Sephardic, but Mizrahi - but I don't care about it.

[Sacrificed Ram]

In Morocco there were 2 groups : The Tohavim (local Megrahbi Jews that settled in North Africa since first temple days) and the Megorashim (Sephardim that came from Iberia and Southern Italy in the 15-16th centuries). They lived separately, prayed in different synagogues and spoke different languages until the 18th century. About that time they started to mix with each other and had an agreement - Everyone would speak Judeo-Arabic but everyone will take the Sephardic liturgy. Since then most of the Moroccan Jews are hybrids of Sephardim and Megrahbi Jews, exceptions are the far south of Morocco where they are almost pure Megrahbi Jews (Sephardim almost never arrived to the far south) and the far north (Tangier-Tetouan area) where most of the Jews in these communities are pure Sephardim that still speak Ladino/modern Spanish (in Israel they are stereotyped of being the white Moroccan Jews, which is sometimes true).

When these 2 groups Jews went to Brazil, it was before they mixed, and because of that you would still find today these 2 communities living in separate, speaking 2 different languages, and praying in 2 different types of synagogues.

BTW In Israel the same thing happened with the Mizrahim- they adopted they Sephardic liturgy and therefore there are only 3 types of Synagogues- Sephardic (for Sephardim,Mizrahim and Indian and Ethiopian Jews), Ashkenazi one and Yemenite one. That's why sometimes the term Sephardic includes all non Ashkenazi types of Jews, even if historically and genetically that's not true (and I hate it when Persian Jews or Iraqi Jews consider themselves "Iberian Jews".) In Israel many times the Sephardic Rabbi isn't really Sephardic, but Mizrahi - but I don't care about it.

Do all these jews celebrate Chanuka? Any pre-second temple diaspora should not have this celebration and any that has probable dates their diaspora in post-roman era.

[Longbowman]

Can somebody provide some Ashkenazi samples? I've heard it claimed on here that Ashkenazi Jews have 1%+ SSA. Honestly I'd like to see that with my own eyes. I am rather skeptical of that claim.

I'm relatively certain that the SSA in Sephardi comes from mixing with Berbers after they were expelled from Spain. And I'm inclined to think that any rare SSA in Ashkenazis would come through mixing with Sephardis.

I'm Ashkenazi/Sephardi/Mizrakhi and I don't score SSA on MyHeritage. However, Ashkenazis are 1-3% SSA looking at deep-seated ancestry. You can look at any Ashkenazi result on any GEDmatch-hosted calc. Ask me for a GEDmatch run, and I will provide you with a full Ashkenazi score for it.

Sephardim didn't mix with Berbers.

[Sp_loa]

Longbowman is right. Sephardim didn't mix directly with Berbers.
Berber DNA among Sephardim is due to mixing with Megrahbi Jews that moved to Spain during the muslim era, or with megrahbi Jews in North Africa, for those that arrived over there after the expulsion.
Megrhbi Jews mixed with Berbers that converted to Judaism even before Islam was created so all of those mixing are very ancient.

[waam]

I don't score any berber though. :confused:

[Sp_loa]

Do all these jews celebrate Chanuka? Any pre-second temple diaspora should not have this celebration and any that has probable dates their diaspora in post-roman era.

Different Jewish communities were linked to each other even during the diaspora (at least in the first Milenia). The jewish community of Iraq ,Spain, North Africa and France were still in touch with each other so Mizrahim, Megrahbim, Sephardim and Ashkenazim celebrate Hanukkah.
Ethiopian Jews weren't in touch with other Jews so they didn't know about hanukkah.

[Sp_loa]

I don't score any berber though. :confused:

Funny cause in wikipedia it sais that Libyan Jews have the highest frequencies of Berber haplogroups. Maybe your Ancestors didn't mix with Berbers, or it might be that the mix was very ancient and only in one side of the family.

[waam]

Funny cause in wikipedia it sais that Libyan Jews have the highest frequencies of Berber haplogroups. Maybe your Ancestors didn't mix with Berbers, or it might be that the mix was very ancient and only in one side of the family.
One of my (I'm guessing) Libyan Jewish matches:

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Arabian 9.30
Armenian 9.12
East_Balkan 1.44
East_Med 18.18
French 0.45
Iberian 12.89
Italian 13.30
Near_Eastern 18.28
North_African 6.93
Northeast_African 3.02
West_Caucasian 0.13
West_Med 6.96

Not a lot of berber either. Maybe it's just my family, though.

Also just for the record uploading my recalculated estimate without the Nigerian noise this time.
https://i.imgur.com/ScmDLfD.jpg
About the same, plus minus ~1% here and there. I still wonder how could they over estimate the Maghrebi Jewish by this much...

[Sp_loa]

One of my (I'm guessing) Libyan Jewish matches:

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Arabian 9.30
Armenian 9.12
East_Balkan 1.44
East_Med 18.18
French 0.45
Iberian 12.89
Italian 13.30
Near_Eastern 18.28
North_African 6.93
Northeast_African 3.02
West_Caucasian 0.13
West_Med 6.96

Not a lot of berber either. Maybe it's just my family, though.

Also just for the record uploading my recalculated estimate without the Nigerian noise this time.
https://i.imgur.com/U4O6zRm.jpg
About the same, plus minus ~1% here and there. I still wonder how could they over estimate the Maghrebi Jewish by this much...

Don’t count on myheritage. It’s not the most accurate company (yet)

[waam]

Don’t count on myheritage. It’s not the most accurate company (yet)

Yeah of course not. I'm just genuinely wondering what is it about their algorithm/reference population that made it come out the way it did lol.

[Levant15]

Here's mine.
Myheritage doesn't seem to be any good.

Yeah of course not. I'm just genuinely wondering what is it about their algorithm/reference population that made it come out the way it did lol.
I got my ancestry results, you can check them out below. I should be getting my FTDNA soon.
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[waam]

Here's mine.
Myheritage doesn't seem to be any good.

I got my ancestry results, you can check them out below. I should be getting my FTDNA soon.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245121-My-Ancestry-DNA-Resultshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180521/63e3869cdd5705581c694bf981013beb.jpg

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Yeah they aren't the best. Some of their clusters either overlap or are very mixed so it skews the results. For example I'm pretty sure their North African is very mixed with Arab, so it comes out fine for North African people but it really affects Middle Eastern results. Either way since they will be having an update sometime in the future I hope it's going to get better. Even though for me it didn't come out completely wrong, just the percentages are way off.

[masria]

You're basically a native Israelite with no foreign admixture.

He has a yemini side wich are Closer to arabs than North middle eastern levantine, shomronim are Closer to anciant jews.. so are mandeans i think. But he is for most part a levantine of course.

[waam]

He has a yemini side wich are Closer to arabs than North middle eastern levantine, shomronim are Closer to anciant jews.. so are mandeans i think. But he is for most part a levantine of course.
Actually to be perfectly honest my Yemenite side isn't simply Yemenite Jewish, it's specifically Adeni Jewish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Aden). They are considered the "white" Yemenites. I don't know whether there's any actual genetic difference (have no idea where they plot) but I thought to myself recently maybe they could be slightly closer to Levantines and that's the reason my Sephardi was so over estimated (as well as why all of my Yemenite matches score only 30%-60% Yemenite and some score occasional Sephardi/Mizrahi).

[curiousabouthist1212]

Thanks for sharing this! Always interesting to see my other Jewish counterparts. I have a lot of Ashkenazi ancestry with some Sephardic ancestry (my grandma's family is said to be from Valencia, Spain originally). Here's what I got for comparison:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.09
2 North_Atlantic 17.67
3 West_Med 16.58
4 West_Asian 12.39
5 Red_Sea 5.84
6 Baltic 4.87
7 Siberian 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.4
9 South_Asian 0.44
10 Sub-Saharan 0.42
11 Oceanian 0.31
12 Amerindian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 5.47
2 Italian_Jewish 5.56
3 Ashkenazi 6.53
4 Algerian_Jewish 8.13
5 Tunisian_Jewish 8.4
6 South_Italian 8.41
7 East_Sicilian 9.28
8 Libyan_Jewish 9.68
9 Central_Greek 10.64
10 West_Sicilian 10.78
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.46
12 Cyprian 13.49
13 Greek_Thessaly 15.63
14 Lebanese_Muslim 16.11
15 Tuscan 16.72
16 Syrian 17.53
17 Lebanese_Druze 17.7
18 Samaritan 18.31
19 Palestinian 18.32
20 Jordanian 18.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.5% Lebanese_Druze + 35.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.93
2 63.9% Lebanese_Druze + 36.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.04
3 65.1% Lebanese_Druze + 34.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.28
4 63.6% Lebanese_Druze + 36.4% Portuguese @ 3.31
5 67.1% Lebanese_Druze + 32.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.37
6 65.2% Lebanese_Druze + 34.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.42
7 65.6% Lebanese_Druze + 34.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.46
8 64.1% Lebanese_Druze + 35.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.48
9 67.1% Lebanese_Druze + 32.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.5
10 68.3% Lebanese_Druze + 31.7% Southwest_French @ 3.56
11 51.5% Tuscan + 48.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.64
12 63.5% Lebanese_Druze + 36.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.65
13 64.8% Lebanese_Druze + 35.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.78
14 57% Lebanese_Druze + 43% North_Italian @ 3.79
15 58.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 41.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.15
16 63.4% West_Sicilian + 36.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.2
17 92.3% Italian_Jewish + 7.7% Tabassaran @ 4.39
18 73.4% Lebanese_Druze + 26.6% French_Basque @ 4.4
19 94.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 5.6% Finnish @ 4.45
20 92.3% Italian_Jewish + 7.7% Lezgin @ 4.45

MyHeritage gives me:

Ashkenazi Jewish: 82.6%
Mizrahi Jewish: 5.6%
West Asian: 5.4%
Sephardic Jewish: 4.3%
Iberian: 2.1%

The craziest (least accurate) WeGene - I think my sephardic ancestry is throwing it off, since Ive seen Ashkenazi jews that get 100% Ashkenazi on this:
Spanish: 33.66%
Balkan: 22.79%
Egyptian: 22.26%
Ashkenazi: 13.00%
South Asian: 3.77%
Saudi: 3.00%
Iranian: 1.46%

[waam]

Cool results you got there. Very similar to the results of a Sephardi Jew from Turkey I've seen once. Where is your Sephardi part from (recently, not all the way back to Spain)?

[Longbowman]

MyHeritage gives me:

Ashkenazi Jewish: 82.6%
Mizrahi Jewish: 5.6%
West Asian: 5.4%
Sephardic Jewish: 4.3%
Iberian: 2.1%

MyHeritage is not very accurate (and I doubt these results are accurate - not that you're not Jewish, of course, but it's unlikely you'd have non-Jewish ancestry to the amount of almost 8%, and that throws into doubt the other low-level scores). Have you tested with anyone else? If so, what did they give you?

Also, what's your family lore, in percentage or fractal terms?

[curiousabouthist1212]

Not sure, although I was able to access some public records of a known ancestor, and there were people who migrated to Greece [then I'm assuming through the Balkans to Ukraine, Romania area]. I also have matches on some of these sites that tell me they are Romaniote from Ionnina, which adds to my 'suspicion.'

[Longbowman]

Not sure, although I was able to access some public records of a known ancestor, and there were people who migrated to Greece [then I'm assuming through the Balkans to Ukraine, Romania area]. I also have matches on some of these sites that tell me they are Romaniote from Ionnina, which adds to my 'suspicion.'

There are only about two dozen Romaniontes left in Ionnina, so, that's cool. But it doesn't sound like you have recent non-Ashenazi ancestry - correct me if I'm wrong?

[Joso]

mizhari ar the tru jews

[curiousabouthist1212]

MyHeritage is not very accurate (and I doubt these results are accurate - not that you're not Jewish, of course, but it's unlikely you'd have non-Jewish ancestry to the amount of almost 8%, and that throws into doubt the other low-level scores). Have you tested with anyone else? If so, what did they give you?

Also, what's your family lore, in percentage or fractal terms?

Where did you see 8% 'non-Jewish'? West Asian, Mizrachi, and Sephardic could all fall under 'Jewish' admixture.

Ancestry: 91% Ashkenazi (Romania, Moldova, Ukraine), 4% Middle Eastern, 2% Italian/Greek, 2% Iberian Peninsula, and <1% West Europe

23andme: 93% Ashkenazi, 6.1% Broadly European, 0.9% Unassigned

I am also talking to a few distant cousins on these sites - a few from Puerto Rico, Mexico, Brazil, and the Philippines that can trace their ancestry back to Spain in the Canaries and Galicia, no Ashkenazi in their lines. Dunno if that helps paint a picture

Yep not 'recent', it's one of my great great grandparents I think, which my percentages seem to indicate on a 'theoretical level' - i know that DNA isn't passed down in exact percentages etc.

[Longbowman]

Where did you see 8% 'non-Jewish'? West Asian, Mizrachi, and Sephardic could all fall under 'Jewish' admixture.

West Asian + Iberian, specifically not Jewish as Mizrakhi is an enumerated category (7.5%). Don't worry, MyHeritage's rep was low before your results :)


Ancestry: 91% Ashkenazi (Romania, Moldova, Ukraine), 4% Middle Eastern, 2% Italian/Greek, 2% Iberian Peninsula, and <1% West Europe

23andme: 93% Ashkenazi, 6.1% Broadly European, 0.9% Unassigned

I would suggest these, especially 23andme, are almost certainly far more accurate - even though they're less interesting. I'm sorry about that. Your Ashkenazi is slightly low for a pure Ashkenazi though, and small amounts of Sephardic ancestry can be subsumed under it. Is this Speculative, btw? Your unassigned is quite high.

BTW Ancestry has had an update.


I am also talking to a few distant cousins on these sites - a few from Puerto Rico, Mexico, Brazil, and the Philippines that can trace their ancestry back to Spain in the Canaries and Galicia, no Ashkenazi in their lines. Dunno if that helps paint a picture

Or so they think! Many Ashkenazim fled to Spain after the massacres of the first crusade.

But of course, having a distant Sephardic ancestor is at least equally possible.


Yep not 'recent', it's one of my great great grandparents I think, which my percentages seem to indicate on a 'theoretical level' - i know that DNA isn't passed down in exact percentages etc.

Random inheritance models indeed. I suspect you don't have a purely Sephardic great great grandparent, though, or 23andme would have given you at least something other than AJ and European (MENA and Southern European, usually). GG grandparent is a lot - 6.125% - which doesn't show up. Do you know surnames? Genealogy is often more useful than DNA.

[Longbowman]

Don't take GEDmatch too seriously lads. Ultimately the scores fluctuate. Comparison, Eurogenes K13:

Dad: 100% Ashkenazi
Mum: 1/8 Mizrakhi, 3/16 Sephardi, 11/16 Ashkenazi

and then me




Dad
Longbowman
Mum


East Med
37.13
35.17
30.52


West Med
21.44
19.58
18.63


North Atlantic
17.63
17.56
18.49


West Asian
5.43
12.37
11.64


Baltic
7.16
5.71
9.49


Red Sea
5.92
5.56
6.18


Siberian
-
1.27
0.46


Northeast African
1.33
0.90
2.07


Sub Saharan
0.55
0.79
-


East Asian
1.80
0.56
0.87


Amerindian
0.35
0.52
-


Oceanian
0.70
-
1.65


South Asian
0.55
-
-



Mum:
1 East_Sicilian 4.31
2 Ashkenazi 5.28
3 Central_Greek 5.53

1 69.9% Italian_Jewish + 30.1% Serbian @ 2.41
2 75% Italian_Jewish + 25% Moldavian @ 2.47
3 69.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.2% Serbian @ 2.48

1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.663869

1 50% Italian_Jewish +25% Moldavian +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.167489

1 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian @ 1.544196
2 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Serbian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.607131
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Serbian + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.737629


Dad:

1 Ashkenazi 6.57
2 Italian_Jewish 6.68
3 Algerian_Jewish 7.58

1 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% La_Brana-1 @ 4.84
2 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% Estonian @ 4.87
3 91.6% Italian_Jewish + 8.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.88

1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Italian_Jewish @ 6.066360

1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Italian_Jewish @ 6.066360

1 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tuscan @ 5.973741
2 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Tuscan @ 5.997628
3 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + West_Sicilian @ 6.050858

Me:

1 South_Italian 4.97
2 Ashkenazi 5.03
3 Italian_Jewish 5.24
4 Sephardic_Jewish 5.32

1 73.8% West_Sicilian + 26.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.33
2 64.2% Italian_Jewish + 35.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.39
3 83.5% Italian_Jewish + 16.5% Romanian @ 2.53

1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.165300

1 50% Italian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% North_Italian @ 2.447989

1 Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan + West_Sicilian @ 1.853048
2 Ashkenazi + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.887509
3 Ashkenazi + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 1.892990


mizhari ar the tru jews

I got all the bases covered

[curiousabouthist1212]

West Asian + Iberian, specifically not Jewish as Mizrakhi is an enumerated category (7.5%). Don't worry, MyHeritage's rep was low before your results :)



I would suggest these, especially 23andme, are almost certainly far more accurate - even though they're less interesting. I'm sorry about that. Your Ashkenazi is slightly low for a pure Ashkenazi though, and small amounts of Sephardic ancestry can be subsumed under it. Is this Speculative, btw? Your unassigned is quite high.

BTW Ancestry has had an update.



Or so they think! Many Ashkenazim fled to Spain after the massacres of the first crusade.

But of course, having a distant Sephardic ancestor is at least equally possible.



Random inheritance models indeed. I suspect you don't have a purely Sephardic great great grandparent, though, or 23andme would have given you at least something other than AJ and European (MENA and Southern European, usually). GG grandparent is a lot - 6.125% - which doesn't show up. Do you know surnames? Genealogy is often more useful than DNA.

1. nah not speculative, it's the highest confidence interval they have
2. while the it's definitely possible they were Ashkenazi Jews in spain, i have some suspicion they were sephardic because last names on my family line included Kalonymos, Treve/Treves/Treviso, de Lucca, Tsarfati. Lots of movement between Spain, Italy, and Greece according to the records I have on this line. People on the same line even stayed in Spain/Portugal, got baptized, and had the name Abulafia, Coronel, Gracián etc. whereas my family apparently broke off and went to Greece then Eastern Europe. Not sure what kind of genetic impact this would have, if ANY, but I was also told that the village in Eastern Europe they ended up in was called 'little Valencia' or something by the expelled Jews who settled there.
3. at the end of the day, culture is what it is - we are insofar that we feel and practice and position ourselves. since my grandma says her family had origins in Valencia, Spain, I'm going to respect her claim and believe that and continuing acknowledging my 'sephardic roots'. haha culturally speaking that is, since at the end of the day jews moved around so much it's very hard to trace anything

[Longbowman]

1. nah not speculative, it's the highest confidence interval they have

That's unique, then!


2. while the it's definitely possible they were Ashkenazi Jews in spain, i have some suspicion they were sephardic because last names on my family line included Kalonymos, Treve/Treves/Treviso, de Lucca, Tsarfati. Lots of movement between Spain, Italy, and Greece according to the records I have on this line. People on the same line even stayed in Spain/Portugal, got baptized, and had the name Abulafia, Coronel, Gracián etc. whereas my family apparently went to Greece then Eastern Europe.

Kalonymos isn't Separdic, in fact none of those first four names are. Kalonymos is the name of one of the richest Greek Jewish families of the first millennium (they eventually moved to Italy and spread out into Germany); Treviso is a town near Venice; Lucca is in Tuscany. Obviously Tsarfati means 'French' in Hebrew - maybe a Provencal Jew? They're not Ashkenazi, but not Sephardic, either.

Abulafia is an Arabic name (abu - grandchild[ren of]) - my great x5 grandmother was an Abulafia - borne by Sephardim but not Nuevos Cristianos - too distinctive! The Abulafias who remained changed their names. The Abulafias who preserved their fled to Greece, Morocco, and the rest of the Ottoman Empire, by and large.


3. at the end of the day, culture is what it is - culture. since my grandma says her family had origins in Valencia, Spain, I'm going to respect her claim and believe that and continuing acknowledging my 'sephardic roots'. haha culturally speaking that is, since at the end of the day jews moved around so much it's very hard to trace anything

Culturally speaking, do you maintain any Sephardic customs or minhagim though? let's not conflate family lore - true or not! - and actual culture :)

For instance, I'm 1/16 Baghdadi (well, that ancestor was part Sephardic, but I digress) but I wouldn't say I'm culturally Musta'arabi, as I wasn't raised with any ties to that particular tradition.

I also enjoy disabusing relatives of the notion they're descended from Moses Montefiore - the man had no children! He is/was a cousin - the kernel of truth to the story. Truth is important, I think.

[happycow]

I have quite a few Ashkenazi relatives. Does that mean I was jews and sheit?

[Longbowman]

I have quite a few Ashkenazi relatives. Does that mean I was jews and sheit?

No, it means you share ancestry :) it doesn't necessarily mean you're part Ashkenazi - or that they're part Palestinian.

[curiousabouthist1212]

Haha so if I don’t identify with Ashkenazi customs either I’m not Ashkenazi?

In your opinion, wohld they be italian jews then? I see a bunch left and went to Greece, where Sephardim were, maybe that’s why I get a few Spanish and middle eastern percentages

Either way I’m going to reach out to a professional geneaologist at some point. I appreciate your opinions thus far!

Also one of my great uncles, an academic, has a list of direct male descendents, so I know I am directly descended from those families. It’s possible to trace when you’re part of prominent rabbinical lines

[curiousabouthist1212]

It’s also not “glamorous” to claim sephardic ancestry, so i don’t think it’s a hopeful lore or anything haha

[Longbowman]

Haha so if I don’t identify with Ashkenazi customs either I’m not Ashkenazi?

If you weren't raised with any Ashkenazi cultural traditions then no, you're not really culturally Ashkenazi! A lot of Jews, particularly in America, are totally assimilated. DNA isn't culture :)


In your opinion, wohld they be italian jews then? I see a bunch left and went to Greece, where Sephardim were, maybe that’s why I get a few Spanish and middle eastern percentages

On the basis of their surnames I would assume they are Italqim, yes. When did they go to Greece, and where? Venice owned large parts of Greece for a while and Italian Jews settled some of their colonies. I mean, if they were from Salonika, then definitely Sephardic, and if Rhodes, then it's quite likely, but elsewhere likely not.

Ignore MyHeritage, it's nonsense :) gives all sorts of bizarre results.


Either way I’m going to reach out to a professional geneaologist at some point. I appreciate your opinions thus far!

Always a good idea - if you have the money :P

I'm lucky great records existed for most lines of my family. Skaldemjoden helped me with some German Ashkenazi records though.


Also one of my great uncles, an academic, has a list of direct male descendents, so I know I am directly descended from those families. It’s possible to trace when you’re part of prominent rabbinical lines

Yep, also true! A couple of those in my family.

[Longbowman]

It’s also not “glamorous” to claim sephardic ancestry, so i don’t think it’s a hopeful lore or anything haha

Oh it's extremely in vogue, my friend, and has been for about a century, I'm reliably informed, I'm afraid. Certainly nowadays it is. I get about one email every two weeks by someone asking if their matching my DNA proves they're distantly Sephardic, and within the Jewish community I know at least a couple of dozen Ashkenazim with vague stories of Sephardic ancestry they like to talk about. I named six in my head just right now.

Not saying it's not true! Some of them definitely will be!

[curiousabouthist1212]

Oh it's extremely in vogue, my friend, and has been for about a century, I'm reliably informed, I'm afraid. Certainly nowadays it is. I get about one email every two weeks by someone asking if their matching my DNA proves they're distantly Sephardic, and within the Jewish community I know at least a couple of dozen Ashkenazim with vague stories of Sephardic ancestry they like to talk about. I named six in my head just right now.

Not saying it's not true! Some of them definitely will be!

I think I saw they were from Emilio Ferrara (?) and migrated to Salonica right before 1492, like 1490.

The only reason I became interested in this besides my grandma's lore is that it's not infrequent I'm confused as 'something else' a cab driver just told me I 'look like people in her village in the DR' that has 'less black people'. That there's something 'just latin' about your face but couldn't pinpoint. And then an argentinian family came up to me as if I knew exactly what they were saying in their dialect expecting directions. Also a few greek people told me I looked like/reminded them of their cousin, and my friend's italian grandma thought i was italian. I wanted to see if there was something else in there, but I've concluded with my research and this posting i MAY have some distant italian jewish ancestry if anything and there is some 'overlap' phenotypically amongst certain populations.

Still not sure what the 6% 'Broadly European' is though

[Longbowman]

I think I saw they were from Emilio Ferrara (?) and migrated to Salonica right before 1492, like 1490.

The only reason I became interested in this besides my grandma's lore is that it's not infrequent I'm confused as 'something else' a cab driver just told me I 'look like people in her village in the DR' that has 'less black people'. That there's something 'just latin' about your face but couldn't pinpoint. And then an argentinian family came up to me as if I knew exactly what they were saying in their dialect expecting directions. Also a few greek people told me I looked like/reminded them of their cousin, and my friend's italian grandma thought i was italian. I wanted to see if there was something else in there, but I've concluded with my research and this position i MAY have some distant italian jewish ancestry if anything and there is some 'overlap' phenotypically amongst certain populations.

Still not sure what the 6% 'Broadly European' is though

I wouldn't read to far into that stuff. I pass for a lot of stuff. Either way you're overwhelmingly Ashkenazi :)

My dad is 100% Ashkenazi with no connection to Italy. He came to visit me in Italy once and he 'met' my roommates (obviously about six words were spoken in half an hour) and then he left (with my mum, who actually speaks a few words). As soon as he leaves, they all turn to me and go 'but he's Sicilian, right? He has to be.' His phenotype is apparently unmistakably Sicilian. But - he is 0% Sicilian. Sometimes people just pass for things they're not :)

It's natural to want to seek out the interesting parts of our ancestry. The Kalymnos family was the original European Jewish royalty! If they ended up in Salonika they'd have at least mixed with Sephardim though, even coming from Italy.

[curiousabouthist1212]

I wouldn't read to far into that stuff. I pass for a lot of stuff. Either way you're overwhelmingly Ashkenazi :)

.

lol that we already knew

That's super funny, I'm curious about what he looks like now!

I have a few more questions while we are at this:

When I make 23andme less 'confident', it says: 'You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, etc. who was 100% Eastern European. This person was likely born between 1720 and 1840. Would this have said Balkan if this were Balkan? Especially romanian

I bunch of calculators on GED match guess me not as Ashkenazi first, but Sephardic, Italian Jewish, even Greek before it guesses me as Ashkenazi. Why?

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cretan ( ) 3.62
2 Romanian_Jew ( ) 5.88
3 Sicilian_East ( ) 6.02
4 Ashkenazi ( ) 6.35
5 Syrian_Jew ( ) 6.36
6 Turk_Jew ( ) 6.4
7 Italian_Jew ( ) 6.46
8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.69
9 French_Jew ( ) 6.76
10 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.84
11 Greek ( ) 7.24
12 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 7.78
13 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 7.91
14 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 7.98
15 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 8.06
16 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 8.15
17 Italian_South ( ) 8.23
18 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 8.25
19 Greek_Athens ( ) 8.29
20 Central_Greek ( ) 8.37

[Longbowman]

lol that we already knew

That's super funny, I'm curious about what he looks like now!

I'd love to post his photo, because he does have an extremely dark phenotype. But he is a very secretive person when it comes to the internet, so I respect his wishes, of course.


I have a few more questions while we are at this:

When I make 23andme less 'confident', it says: 'You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, etc. who was 100% Eastern European. This person was likely born between 1720 and 1840. Would this have said Balkan if this were Balkan? Especially romanian

Yes, Romanian counts as Balkan on 23andme :) genetically they're also more Balkan than they are 'Eastern European,' although there are exceptions in the peripheral regions, and Moldovia.

What are your results on the most speculative setting? Speculative is better than conservative.


I bunch of calculators on GED match guess me not as Ashkenazi first, but Sephardic, Italian Jewish, even Greek before it guesses me as Ashkenazi. Why?

As I showed with my family's results, this is normal. It just means you're slightly less northern-shifted than the average Ashkenazi. GEDmatch is a line of best fit, rather than an ancestral breakdown. View it this way:

say the average Ashkenazi gets 30 x, 30 y and 40 z
the average Greek gets 32 x, 28 y and 40 z
you get 32 x, 28 y and 40 z

you'll appear closer to Greeks than Ashkenazim, but you're just an outlier.

That difference can be random, or it can be due to minor admixture that is non-Ashkenazi.

Gedmatch has a lot of references - many hundreds - some of which are very, very close to each other - so sometimes people appear closer to one than another.

[waam]

Got my updated results from Xcode after I contacted them
https://i.imgur.com/Rom4QE9.png
Makes much more sense than the former composition.

[talombo]

As far as I know I don't have any Greek ancestors,
Is it possible that MyHeritage are mistaking Turkish-Sephardic DNA for Greek ?

https://i.imgur.com/PzZM6Qj.png

[waam]

As far as I know I don't have any Greek ancestors,
Is it possible that MyHeritage are mistaking Turkish-Sephardic DNA for Greek ?

https://i.imgur.com/PzZM6Qj.png

Seems like it. As far as I know their Greek population includes Cyprus, which I believe is the reason it skews a lot of Middle Easterners results and makes them score lots of Greek (or Italian for that matter which is pretty interchangeable with Greek on MyHeritage).
What did your FTDNA results look like? You can upload your raw data for free if you haven't already.

[talombo]

Seems like it. As far as I know their Greek population includes Cyprus, which I believe is the reason it skews a lot of Middle Easterners results and makes them score lots of Greek (or Italian for that matter which is pretty interchangeable with Greek on MyHeritage).
What did your FTDNA results look like? You can upload your raw data for free if you haven't already.

I don't have FTDNA results, I only have 23andMe v5 raw data file and FTDNA won't accept it.

[Sp_loa]

I don't have FTDNA results, I only have 23andMe v5 raw data file and FTDNA won't accept it.

Convert your v5 raw data to v3 raw data- follow these instructions- https://wilhelmhgenealogy.wordpress.com/convert-23andme-to-myheritage-and-gedmatch-classic/

And wait a minute- did you really pay 84$ for only the shipping to Israel? I wanted to buy to but 84$ Shipping+100$ the kit is really way to much.

BTW your Y-DNA is Balkanic most common in Kosovo and Albania and your Mtdna is probably North Italian depends on the exact subclaid.
Upload your raw data to https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal AND TO https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

[Sp_loa]

I don't have FTDNA results, I only have 23andMe v5 raw data file and FTDNA won't accept it.

And can you pleases post Eurogenes K36, Harappaworld and Dodecad k7b from Gedmatch?
Also what were your results from 23andme? can you post screenshot of the results? Thank you

[talombo]

And can you pleases post Eurogenes K36, Harappaworld and Dodecad k7b from Gedmatch?
Also what were your results from 23andme? can you post screenshot of the results? Thank you

Results: https://imgur.com/a/6piTnuM

Yeah, I payed $84 for shipping, it's expensive but it's for both ways and it got here really fast via FedEx (3 days I think),
I think I will just order a kit from FTDNA instead of converting the file.

[Sp_loa]

Results: https://imgur.com/a/6piTnuM

Yeah, I payed $84 for shipping, it's expensive but it's for both ways and it got here really fast via FedEx (3 days I think),
I think I will just order a kit from FTDNA instead of converting the file.

It’s a waste of 100$ just convert the file.
You have extremely low Iberian on K36- 2.5%. I guess your European side was Italian Jews that moved to Spain.
Can You post the oracle from those calculators? Just copy paste- you don’t need to upload as picture.

[Sp_loa]

Results: https://imgur.com/a/6piTnuM

Yeah, I payed $84 for shipping, it's expensive but it's for both ways and it got here really fast via FedEx (3 days I think),
I think I will just order a kit from FTDNA instead of converting the file.

According to K36 similarity map your closest population is North dodecanese (Greece).
When I remove the Levant/Samaritans your closests populations are Albania South/Lazio.

Seems like your European origins are Roman and not Spanish.

[talombo]

It’s a waste of 100$ just convert the file.
You have extremely low Iberian on K36- 2.5%. I guess your European side was Italian Jews that moved to Spain.
Can You post the oracle from those calculators? Just copy paste- you don’t need to upload as picture.

I don't think it's a waste, There's a reason FTDNA don't accept the v5, I don't want to get inaccurate results.

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HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.02
2 Mediterranean 23.36
3 SW-Asian 18.41
4 NE-Euro 8.76
5 Baloch 7.99
6 E-African 2.27
7 W-African 0.89
8 S-Indian 0.86
9 Pygmy 0.53
10 Papuan 0.48
11 SE-Asian 0.4
12 San 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sephardic-jew (behar) 2.86
2 morocco-jew (behar) 5.39
3 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 7.56
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 11.24
5 cypriot (behar) 12.67
6 lebanese (behar) 13.25
7 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 16.07
8 syrian (behar) 16.15
9 jordanian (behar) 16.26
10 lebanese-muslim (haber) 16.38
11 palestinian (harappa) 16.51
12 palestinian (hgdp) 17.87
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 18.02
14 lebanese-christian (haber) 18.56
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 18.99
16 iraqi-arab (harappa) 19.01
17 lebanese-druze (haber) 19.17
18 armenian (harappa) 19.18
19 turkish (harappa) 19.49
20 turk (behar) 19.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.4% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.49
2 87.1% morocco-jew (behar) + 12.9% georgian (harappa) @ 1.52
3 91.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 8.4% iranian (behar) @ 1.63
4 79.3% morocco-jew (behar) + 20.7% turk (behar) @ 1.63
5 87.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.3% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.68
6 77.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 22.2% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.7
7 87% morocco-jew (behar) + 13% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.7
8 87.1% morocco-jew (behar) + 12.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
9 83.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 16.2% armenian (behar) @ 1.75
10 91.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 8.6% kurd (harappa) @ 1.77
11 78.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 21.2% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.78
12 89% morocco-jew (behar) + 11% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 1.79
13 86.7% morocco-jew (behar) + 13.3% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
14 88% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12% syrian (behar) @ 1.83
15 82% morocco-jew (behar) + 18% azeri (harappa) @ 1.84
16 85.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 14.2% lebanese (behar) @ 1.86
17 91% sephardic-jew (behar) + 9% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.92
18 96.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 3.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 1.96
19 89.4% morocco-jew (behar) + 10.6% georgian (behar) @ 1.96
20 88.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.3% jordanian (behar) @ 1.97

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Dodecad K7b Oracle results:
The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 42.29
2 West_Asian 29.7
3 Atlantic_Baltic 23.87
4 African 3.58
5 East_Asian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.11
2 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 6.1
3 Cypriots (Behar) 8.47
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.55
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.63
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.55
7 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.67
8 Lebanese (Behar) 13.45
9 Syrians (Behar) 15.43
10 Jordanians (Behar) 16.19
11 Druze (HGDP) 16.45
12 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.53
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.61
14 Greek (Dodecad) 18.72
15 Turks (Behar) 18.82
16 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.12
17 Bedouin (HGDP) 21.03
18 Samaritians (Behar) 23.17
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.62
20 Armenian (Dodecad) 24.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 0.66
2 56.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.4% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.73
3 56.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.9% Jordanians (Behar) @ 0.78
4 58.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.1% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.86
5 61.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.99
6 60.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1
7 60.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 39.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1
8 53.1% Palestinian (HGDP) + 46.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.03
9 54.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 45.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.04
10 55.4% Jordanians (Behar) + 44.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.07
11 60.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 39.1% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.19
12 85.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 14.5% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.2
13 85.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.25
14 69.2% Druze (HGDP) + 30.8% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
15 73.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 26.7% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.32
16 62.3% Jordanians (Behar) + 37.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.35
17 83% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 17% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.37
18 82.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 17.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.38
19 61.4% Palestinian (HGDP) + 38.6% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.42
20 61.9% Jordanians (Behar) + 38.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.54

[talombo]

According to K36 similarity map your closest population is North dodecanese (Greece).
When I remove the Levant/Samaritans your closests populations are Albania South/Lazio.

Seems like your European origins are Roman and not Spanish.

My last name is very common in Italy so maybe.

[Sp_loa]

I don't think it's a waste, There's a reason FTDNA don't accept the v5, I don't want to get inaccurate results.

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HarappaWorld Oracle results:
23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.02
2 Mediterranean 23.36
3 SW-Asian 18.41
4 NE-Euro 8.76
5 Baloch 7.99
6 E-African 2.27
7 W-African 0.89
8 S-Indian 0.86
9 Pygmy 0.53
10 Papuan 0.48
11 SE-Asian 0.4
12 San 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sephardic-jew (behar) 2.86
2 morocco-jew (behar) 5.39
3 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 7.56
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 11.24
5 cypriot (behar) 12.67
6 lebanese (behar) 13.25
7 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 16.07
8 syrian (behar) 16.15
9 jordanian (behar) 16.26
10 lebanese-muslim (haber) 16.38
11 palestinian (harappa) 16.51
12 palestinian (hgdp) 17.87
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 18.02
14 lebanese-christian (haber) 18.56
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 18.99
16 iraqi-arab (harappa) 19.01
17 lebanese-druze (haber) 19.17
18 armenian (harappa) 19.18
19 turkish (harappa) 19.49
20 turk (behar) 19.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.4% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.49
2 87.1% morocco-jew (behar) + 12.9% georgian (harappa) @ 1.52
3 91.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 8.4% iranian (behar) @ 1.63
4 79.3% morocco-jew (behar) + 20.7% turk (behar) @ 1.63
5 87.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.3% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.68
6 77.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 22.2% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.7
7 87% morocco-jew (behar) + 13% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.7
8 87.1% morocco-jew (behar) + 12.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
9 83.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 16.2% armenian (behar) @ 1.75
10 91.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 8.6% kurd (harappa) @ 1.77
11 78.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 21.2% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.78
12 89% morocco-jew (behar) + 11% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 1.79
13 86.7% morocco-jew (behar) + 13.3% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
14 88% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12% syrian (behar) @ 1.83
15 82% morocco-jew (behar) + 18% azeri (harappa) @ 1.84
16 85.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 14.2% lebanese (behar) @ 1.86
17 91% sephardic-jew (behar) + 9% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.92
18 96.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 3.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 1.96
19 89.4% morocco-jew (behar) + 10.6% georgian (behar) @ 1.96
20 88.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.3% jordanian (behar) @ 1.97

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Dodecad K7b Oracle results:
The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 42.29
2 West_Asian 29.7
3 Atlantic_Baltic 23.87
4 African 3.58
5 East_Asian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.11
2 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 6.1
3 Cypriots (Behar) 8.47
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.55
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.63
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.55
7 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.67
8 Lebanese (Behar) 13.45
9 Syrians (Behar) 15.43
10 Jordanians (Behar) 16.19
11 Druze (HGDP) 16.45
12 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.53
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.61
14 Greek (Dodecad) 18.72
15 Turks (Behar) 18.82
16 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.12
17 Bedouin (HGDP) 21.03
18 Samaritians (Behar) 23.17
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.62
20 Armenian (Dodecad) 24.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 0.66
2 56.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.4% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.73
3 56.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.9% Jordanians (Behar) @ 0.78
4 58.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.1% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.86
5 61.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.99
6 60.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1
7 60.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 39.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1
8 53.1% Palestinian (HGDP) + 46.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.03
9 54.9% Palestinian (HGDP) + 45.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.04
10 55.4% Jordanians (Behar) + 44.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.07
11 60.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 39.1% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.19
12 85.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 14.5% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.2
13 85.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Georgians (Behar) @ 1.25
14 69.2% Druze (HGDP) + 30.8% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.25
15 73.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 26.7% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.32
16 62.3% Jordanians (Behar) + 37.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.35
17 83% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 17% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.37
18 82.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 17.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 1.38
19 61.4% Palestinian (HGDP) + 38.6% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.42
20 61.9% Jordanians (Behar) + 38.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.54

You really don’t have spanish Ancestry. It seems you are 45% Central Italian, 55% Judean (levantine). You don’t have strong Berber/Moroccan as well so it’s ignorable. You are probably descendant of Roman Jews migrated to Spain.
Few are the Sephardim who actually have significant Spanish blood, it’s usually Italian.
I think you should open a thread with your results. Many forum members are interested with jewish results.

[talombo]

Found a 100% Sephardic guy in my DNA matches at MyHeritage:

http://i67.tinypic.com/fo27bk.jpg

[waam]

Found a 100% Sephardic guy in my DNA matches at MyHeritage:

http://i67.tinypic.com/fo27bk.jpg

I have loads of matches who are 100% Sephardic on MyHeritage. I'm pretty sure these people are part of their database and that's why. Either way it's interesting you score ~20% Moroccan despite being fully Turkish Sephardi (if I'm correct). I think it's due to shared ancestry with Moroccan Sephardis, I would assume they included some of them for their Moroccan reference.

[talombo]

I have loads of matches who are 100% Sephardic on MyHeritage. I'm pretty sure these people are part of their database and that's why. Either way it's interesting you score ~20% Moroccan despite being fully Turkish Sephardi (if I'm correct). I think it's due to shared ancestry with Moroccan Sephardis, I would assume they included some of them for their Moroccan reference.

I'm not fully Turkish Sephardi, My mother is Moroccan, My father was born in Egypt but his grandparents migrated to Egypt from Izmir, Turkey and Safed (צפת), Israel.
I was only able to find one 100% Sephardic but maybe there are more, However I did find some 100% Ashkenazi matches (mostly 4th to distant cousins, the closest one is 0.7% 50.9‎ cM), does this means I had a recent Ashkenazi ancestor ?

[chalcogen]

You really don’t have spanish Ancestry. It seems you are 45% Central Italian, 55% Judean (levantine). You don’t have strong Berber/Moroccan as well so it’s ignorable. You are probably descendant of Roman Jews migrated to Spain.
Few are the Sephardim who actually have significant Spanish blood, it’s usually Italian.
I think you should open a thread with your results. Many forum members are interested with jewish results.

How did you determine Central Italian from the results as opposed to Southern Italian?

[Longbowman]

I'm not fully Turkish Sephardi, My mother is Moroccan, My father was born in Egypt but his grandparents migrated to Egypt from Izmir, Turkey and Safed (צפת), Israel.
I was only able to find one 100% Sephardic but maybe there are more, However I did find some 100% Ashkenazi matches (mostly 4th to distant cousins, the closest one is 0.7% 50.9‎ cM), does this means I had a recent Ashkenazi ancestor ?

No.

1) HyHeritage isn't very good so
2) It could just as easily mean the Ashkenazi has Sephardic ancestors, following the logic you're using
3) In general these sites overestimate the degree of relatedness of their customers, but 'distant cousins' could be shared ancestry from the 1400s or even earlier

[curiousabouthist1212]

Kind of an old thread, but stumbled upon this and found it interesting ^^ my grandma and great uncle said there's a family manuscript that traces our family all the way back to spain, but that they eventually became Ashkenazi

Here's my my heritage results (also get full sephardic and also spaniard??? cousins at the 3-5 cousin range - def inflated):

82.3% Ashkenazi Jewish
5.7% Mizrachi Jewish - Iranian/Iraqi
5.1% West Asian
4.7% Sephardic Jewish - North African
2.2% Iberian Peninsula

[Longbowman]

Kind of an old thread, but stumbled upon this and found it interesting ^^ my grandma and great uncle said there's a family manuscript that traces our family all the way back to spain, but that they eventually became Ashkenazi

Here's my my heritage results (also get full sephardic and also spaniard??? cousins at the 3-5 cousin range - def inflated):

82.3% Ashkenazi Jewish
5.7% Mizrachi Jewish - Iranian/Iraqi
5.1% West Asian
4.7% Sephardic Jewish - North African
2.2% Iberian Peninsula

I personally would ignore MyHeritage results, particularly for updates. For example, mine give me 10% Welsh even though I am fully Jewish.

[curiousabouthist1212]

I personally would ignore MyHeritage results, particularly for updates. For example, mine give me 10% Welsh even though I am fully Jewish.


Heard that too
Either way i meant to reply to above comment aboht how some Ashkenazi have Sephardi ancestry, especially if biblical families sometimes there was admixture

[Longbowman]

Heard that too
Either way i meant to reply to above comment aboht how some Ashkenazi have Sephardi ancestry, especially if biblical families sometimes there was admixture

Biblical families?

[curiousabouthist1212]

Biblical families? rabbinical haha sorry i’m filling out an app as i’m browsing this site too

[Rgvgjhvv]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.82
2 Syrian 5.1
3 Lebanese_Christian 6.43
4 Samaritan 6.53
5 Palestinian 7.1
6 Lebanese_Druze 7.36
7 Jordanian 7.45
8 Cyprian 8.96
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.04
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.72
11 Assyrian 11.45
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.65
13 Bedouin 12.82
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.23
15 Georgian_Jewish 14.71
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.24
17 Turkish 16.55
18 Italian_Jewish 17.03
19 Algerian_Jewish 17.17
20 Armenian 17.53

Sikeliot crying that there's no Sicilian on the list. Feels bad

[curiousabouthist1212]

Which calc is this?
Here's some of mine:

Eurogenes k13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 5.47
2 Italian_Jewish 5.56
3 Ashkenazi 6.52
4 Algerian_Jewish 8.14
5 South_Italian 8.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.5% Lebanese_Druze + 35.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.93
2 63.8% Lebanese_Druze + 36.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.04
3 65% Lebanese_Druze + 35% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.28
4 63.5% Lebanese_Druze+ 36.5% Portuguese @ 3.31
5 67% Lebanese_Druze + 33% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.37

MDLP World
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_France 5
2 Jew_Italia 5.12
3 Jew_Romania 5.82
4 Sicilian 6.06
5 Greek_Cretan 6.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.9% Jew_Romania + 44.1% Sephardim @ 1.16
2 53.4% Jew_Italia + 46.6% Jew_Romania @ 1.21
3 53.1% Jew_Tunisia + 46.9% Greek_North @ 1.33
4 84.9% Greek_East + 15.1% Jew_Yemen @ 1.57
5 61.6% Jew_Romania + 38.4% Jew_Algeria @ 1.61

[Pine]

Which calc is this?
Here's some of mine:

Eurogenes k13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 5.47
2 Italian_Jewish 5.56
3 Ashkenazi 6.52
4 Algerian_Jewish 8.14
5 South_Italian 8.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.5% Lebanese_Druze + 35.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.93
2 63.8% Lebanese_Druze + 36.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.04
3 65% Lebanese_Druze + 35% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.28
4 63.5% Lebanese_Druze+ 36.5% Portuguese @ 3.31
5 67% Lebanese_Druze + 33% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.37

MDLP World
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_France 5
2 Jew_Italia 5.12
3 Jew_Romania 5.82
4 Sicilian 6.06
5 Greek_Cretan 6.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.9% Jew_Romania + 44.1% Sephardim @ 1.16
2 53.4% Jew_Italia + 46.6% Jew_Romania @ 1.21
3 53.1% Jew_Tunisia + 46.9% Greek_North @ 1.33
4 84.9% Greek_East + 15.1% Jew_Yemen @ 1.57
5 61.6% Jew_Romania + 38.4% Jew_Algeria @ 1.61

My results are similar to yours:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.68
2 West_Med 19.02
3 North_Atlantic 14.95
4 West_Asian 14.45
5 Red_Sea 6.14
6 Baltic 4.98
7 East_Asian 2.39
8 Sub-Saharan 1.16
9 Oceanian 0.97
10 Northeast_African 0.18
11 Amerindian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 5.02
2 Italian_Jewish 5.59
3 South_Italian 5.84
4 Ashkenazi 6.49
5 Algerian_Jewish 6.63
6 East_Sicilian 7.18
7 Central_Greek 8.32
8 Tunisian_Jewish 8.48
9 Libyan_Jewish 9.8
10 West_Sicilian 9.84
11 Italian_Abruzzo 10.46
12 Cyprian 11.23
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.58
14 Lebanese_Muslim 14.6
15 Syrian 16.02
16 Tuscan 16.57
17 Samaritan 17.4
18 Lebanese_Druze 17.79
19 Lebanese_Christian 18.29
20 Palestinian 18.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% West_Sicilian + 35.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.53
2 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Chechen @ 2.82
3 86.8% Italian_Jewish + 13.2% Kumyk @ 2.85
4 88.9% Italian_Jewish + 11.1% Lezgin @ 2.85
5 89.2% Italian_Jewish + 10.8% Tabassaran @ 2.91
6 88.3% Italian_Jewish + 11.7% Kabardin @ 2.93
7 88.2% Italian_Jewish + 11.8% Balkar @ 2.97
8 65.8% West_Sicilian + 34.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.98
9 88.9% Italian_Jewish + 11.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.99
10 88.4% Italian_Jewish + 11.6% Adygei @ 3.03
11 89% Italian_Jewish + 11% Ossetian @ 3.18
12 88.5% Italian_Jewish + 11.5% Nogay @ 3.31
13 52.6% Tuscan + 47.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.38
14 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.42
15 56% Lebanese_Christian + 44% North_Italian @ 3.42
16 64.7% Lebanese_Christian + 35.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.44
17 80.6% Italian_Jewish + 19.4% Turkish @ 3.45
18 51.9% Tuscan + 48.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.51
19 87.6% Italian_Jewish + 12.4% Turkmen @ 3.52
20 67.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 32.2% Central_Greek @ 3.52

MDLP WORLD

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 35.83
2 Middle_East 26.84
3 Caucaus_Parsia 23.43
4 North_and_East_European 9.05
5 Sub_Saharian 1.35
6 East_Asian 1.26
7 Melanesian 0.73
8 North_Asian 0.54
9 Indian 0.41
10 Mesoamerican 0.28
11 Arctic_Amerind 0.26
12 Paleo_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Cretan 5.47
2 Jew_Italia 7.78
3 Jew_Romania 7.82
4 Jew_France 8.36
5 Ashkenazim 8.38
6 Sephardim 9.21
7 Sicilian 9.58
8 Jew_Algeria 10.03
9 Cypriot 10.26
10 Jew_Syria 10.84
11 Greek_East 10.9
12 Greek_Azov 11.15
13 Jew_Tunisia 11.22
14 Italian-Center 11.82
15 Italian-South 12.07
16 Greek_Center 12.41
17 Jew_Morocco 13.28
18 Greek_South 13.33
19 Greek_North 13.81
20 Jew_Libya 13.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% Lebanese + 42.1% Italian-North @ 1.18
2 67% Lebanese + 33% Spaniard @ 1.46
3 62.5% Italian-Center + 37.5% Syrian @ 1.57
4 54.4% Greek_Azov + 45.6% Jew_Morocco @ 1.62
5 61.8% Druze + 38.2% Italian_North @ 1.62
6 76.5% Jew_Syria + 23.5% German-South @ 1.63
7 69.4% Jew_Syria + 30.6% Bulgarian @ 1.66
8 70.3% Jew_Syria + 29.7% Romania @ 1.66
9 62.6% Lebanese + 37.4% Italian_North @ 1.7
10 73.7% Jew_Syria + 26.3% Swiss @ 1.71
11 58.4% Jew_Romania + 41.6% Jew_Syria @ 1.71
12 69.3% Jew_Romania + 30.7% Druze @ 1.74
13 79.2% Jew_Syria + 20.8% British @ 1.76
14 72.5% Jew_Syria + 27.5% Montenegrin @ 1.77
15 58.4% Jew_Georgia + 41.6% Portugese @ 1.77
16 63.2% Druze + 36.8% Provancal @ 1.8
17 79.2% Jew_Syria + 20.8% CEU @ 1.8
18 79.6% Jew_Syria + 20.4% Orcadian @ 1.81
19 68.5% Jew_Romania + 31.5% Lebanese @ 1.81
20 76.7% Jew_Syria + 23.3% French @ 1.83

Mind posting your full Eurogenes K13 ouput (with the autosomal breakdown)?

[SUPREEEEEME]

Funny enough Sephardim and Mizrahim (Including my self- with the highest grades in my entire school and I was offered to finish a B.S by 17 but I refused) are getting the highest scores in tests in my school. Even more funny a Mizrahi girl from my school is already part of a research in the university for curing cancer and she finished math 3 years before everyone. My uncles are professors and my great uncle (first generation in Israel didn't have money to eat back then) finished his B.S at 17!

The only difference between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi is the education they had in the diaspora. I refuse to believe there is a genetic intelligence difference.

I'm Ashkenazi. I agree.

[Rocinante]

I have a bit of jewish on me.

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1North_Atlantic31.132West_Med23. 723East_Med18.254Baltic13.045West_Asian6.046Red_Se a3.377Northeast_African1.728Sub-Saharan1.34

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 3.663874
2 Tuscan @ 8.848110
3 Portuguese @ 9.628035
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.080223
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 10.954391
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.461411
7 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.845300
8 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.101637
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.269135
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.297762
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.507842
12 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.264234
13 French @ 15.416582
14 Romanian @ 15.964755
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.968790
16 West_Sicilian @ 16.316267
17 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.835535
18 Spanish_Aragon @ 16.924416
19 Bulgarian @ 16.982655
20 Southwest_French @ 17.067291

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.313011


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +25% Romanian +25% West_Sicilian @ 2.016409


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.042278
2 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.152885
3 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.247157
4 Algerian_Jewish + East_German + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.251683
5 Libyan_Jewish + North_German + Sardinian + South_Dutch @ 1.265471
6 Algerian_Jewish + East_German + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.269649
7 Libyan_Jewish + North_German + Sardinian + West_German @ 1.269922
8 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.323029
9 North_German + Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + West_German @ 1.350457
10 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.371094
11 Danish + Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + West_German @ 1.372850
12 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.398720
13 Algerian_Jewish + Austrian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.407482
14 North_German + Sardinian + South_Dutch + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.408001
15 Algerian_Jewish + Serbian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.419876
16 Algerian_Jewish + Serbian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.427254
17 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.435242
18 Danish + Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + West_German @ 1.443895
19 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.474355
20 Algerian_Jewish + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.475020

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1North_Sea22.362West_Med19.483At lantic18.184East_Med14.945Baltic6.236West_Asian6.0 97Eastern_Euro5.058Red_Sea3.949Northeast_African1. 9810Sub-Saharan1.10

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 8.413578
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 10.139238
3 Portuguese @ 10.635914
4 Tuscan @ 11.300996
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 12.196728
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.303096
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.322871
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.848920
9 French @ 13.908291
10 Serbian @ 15.223237
11 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.474429
12 Romanian @ 15.938671
13 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.127539
14 Spanish_Valencia @ 16.664305
15 Bulgarian @ 17.091892
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.235880
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.510658
18 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.814838
19 West_Sicilian @ 18.171789
20 West_German @ 18.261175

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.120368


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Samaritan +25% Sardinian @ 3.094140


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.147185
2 Jordanian + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.175794
3 Libyan_Jewish + Norwegian + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.316536
4 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish + West_German @ 2.411580
5 Orcadian + Samaritan + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.445573
6 Jordanian + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.511945
7 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Syrian + West_Norwegian @ 2.517060
8 Jordanian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 2.531727
9 Jordanian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 2.583121
10 Libyan_Jewish + North_Dutch + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.588546
11 Norwegian + Orcadian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 2.589705
12 Sardinian + Syrian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.613232
13 Jordanian + Sardinian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.626718
14 Libyan_Jewish + North_German + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.637224
15 Danish + Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.662668
16 Samaritan + Sardinian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.673877
17 Jordanian + Sardinian + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.681551
18 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + South_Dutch + West_Norwegian @ 2.705055
19 Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.708733
20 Libyan_Jewish + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.712640

Enviado desde mi MI MAX 3 mediante Tapatalk

[waam]

Bumpity bump (for my own documentation)

So because I'm crazily impatient (:picard1:) about receiving my 23andme report I decided to estimate my anticipated results based on what I've gathered from a few individuals who are 100% each part of my ancestry and calculating it accordingly.
Wonder whether I nailed it or not lol.

https://i.imgur.com/xsKqWFz.png

[Pine]

Bumpity bump (for my own documentation)

So because I'm crazily impatient (:picard1:) about receiving my 23andme report I decided to estimate my anticipated results based on what I've gathered from a few individuals who are 100% each part of my ancestry and calculating it accordingly.
Wonder whether I nailed it or not lol.

https://i.imgur.com/xsKqWFz.png

Can already tell the method was wrong, as you ended up with 0.3% East Euro, while the average Ashkenazi doesn't even score it, nevermind you. Are you even part Ashkenazi?

[waam]

Can already tell the method was wrong, as you ended up with 0.3% East Euro, while the average Ashkenazi doesn't even score it, nevermind you. Are you even part Ashkenazi?

My mountain Jewish relative scored .5% EE and I'm half of that + Google Sheets rounding action and that's what I was left with. Either way it's not going to be entirely accurate as I only have one individual representing each ethnic division I am.
I'm not part Ashkenazi.

[Pine]

My mountain Jewish relative scored .5% EE and I'm half of that + Google Sheets rounding action and that's what I was left with. Either way it's not going to be entirely accurate as I only have one individual representing each ethnic division I am.
I'm not part Ashkenazi.

Have seen 2 Mountain results so far, neither scored EE. Though, if your cousin did, that's more relevant. Mind sharing his results by pm? Curious what haplos they got too.

[waam]

Have seen 2 Mountain results so far, neither scored EE. Though, if your cousin did, that's more relevant. Mind sharing his results by pm? Curious what haplos they got too.

These are his updated results
https://i.imgur.com/cXQrcq1.png

And his former
https://i.imgur.com/oPJuU2y.jpg

He told me about his haplogroups but I can't remember, should check and see.

[Pine]

These are his updated results


And his former


He told me about his haplogroups but I can't remember, should check and see.

Which part of the Caucasus is he from? Dagestan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya?

[waam]

Which part of the Caucasus is he from? Dagestan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya?

Dagestan, like my entire family.

[Pine]

Dagestan, like my entire family.

Khube

Would be cool if you found out his haplos.

[Pine]

Dagestan, like my entire family.

Khube

Would be cool if you found out his haplos.

[waam]

Khube

Would be cool if you found out his haplos.

:laugh: You sure know your Juhuri.

[Pine]

:laugh: You sure know your Juhuri.

Yeki, dudu,sese,chor - voy laleitu Gorbachov.

[waam]

Another bump for my own self documentation
Gathered some more results for reference so I have a more refined estimate, wonder how that will compare.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4UXA7k.png

I think it sums up to 100.1 but no biggy.

[Longbowman]

Another bump for my own self documentation
Gathered some more results for reference so I have a more refined estimate, wonder how that will compare.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4UXA7k.png

I think it sums up to 100.1 but no biggy.

this your 23andme brah? what's your family background

[waam]

this your 23andme brah? what's your family background

These are my own estimated results based off of other people's results who are 100% (and one 50% tbh) each part of my background. I'm 50% Mountain Jewish 25% Yemenite Jewish and 25% Libyan Jewish. I hope to get my actual report around next week. :party-smiley-006:

[Mesoman]

Almost everything said about the mizrahi jews in this thread is wrong. Every single mizrahi jewish subgroup is far from being pure levantine. Some groups are closer to levant than the others, however, all of the groups have significant non levantine admixture and in most cases mesopotamian+ little iranic admixture together dominates over levantine component in each mizrahi jewish population subgroups. Not every mizrahi jewish groups are the same and all of them differ from levantines quite a bit. They are closer to mesopotamians than they are to levantines...

Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.1819% / 0.18185483
21.1 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
14.3 İkiztepe_LC
12.7 Ebla_EMBA
9.0 Levant_BA
8.2 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.0 Arslantepe_LC
7.2 Ashkelon_LBA
5.2 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485_AD
2.9 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
2.6 Eastern_Scythian
2.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.3 Alalakh_MLBA_o
1.1 Beaker_Central_Europe
0.9 Yamnaya
0.8 Armenia_LBA
0.6 Alalakh_MLBA
0.5 I6626
0.1 Udosolovo_Ingria_Russia_IA

Target: Azerbaijan_Jews
Distance: 0.4698% / 0.46975701
35.3 Armenia_ChL
31.5 Levant_N
14.6 Iran_ChL
7.6 C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern
6.8 Iran_N
4.2 Levant_BA


Target: Iraq_Jews
Distance: 2.3493% / 2.34932206
50.1 Iran_ChL
33.1 Levant_N
10.0 Levant_BA
6.8 Armenia_ChL


Target: Iranian_Jews
Distance: 1.7284% / 1.72844248
62.5 Iran_ChL
33.4 Levant_N
4.1 Levant_BA


Target: Georgia_Jews
Distance: 1.8225% / 1.82253844
56.2 Armenia_ChL
31.9 Levant_N
11.9 Iran_ChL

Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.1931% / 0.19312359
16.9 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
14.7 İkiztepe_LC
14.5 Ebla_EMBA
10.4 Arslantepe_LC
9.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.1 Levant_BA
4.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485_AD
3.6 Ashkelon_LBA
3.2 Alalakh_MLBA
2.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
2.6 Alalakh_MLBA_o
2.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.4 Eastern_Scythian
2.0 Yamnaya
0.9 Beaker_Central_Europe
0.7 Armenia_LBA
0.4 I6626


Target: Iranian_Jews
Distance: 0.8849% / 0.88489686
24.9 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
24.0 İkiztepe_LC
15.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
11.3 Ebla_EMBA
9.3 Alalakh_MLBA
6.3 Levant_N
4.9 Levant_BA
3.8 Arslantepe_LC



Target: Iraq_Jews
Distance: 0.9151% / 0.91505414
47.0 Alalakh_MLBA
15.8 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
11.9 Ebla_EMBA
10.0 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.3 Levant_N
3.1 İkiztepe_LC
2.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
0.7 Levant_BA
0.4 Arslantepe_LC



Target: Georgia_Jews
Distance: 0.5559% / 0.55593526
33.0 İkiztepe_LC
27.0 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
10.3 Arslantepe_LC
9.9 Ashkelon_LBA
6.4 Levant_BA
4.2 Alalakh_MLBA
3.4 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.2 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
1.7 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
1.3 Caucasus_lowlands_LC
0.3 Armenia_LBA
0.3 Ebla_EMBA

Target: Azerbaijan_Jews
Distance: 0.3634% / 0.36341965
36.4 İkiztepe_LC
21.5 Ebla_EMBA
18.4 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
10.2 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
8.7 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
2.4 Levant_BA
2.1 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
0.3 DA380

Georgian Jew1

Population
Gedrosia 17.59 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.35 Pct
North_European 5.82 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 18.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: *
4.40386194 Azeri_Jew
4.52952536 Assyrian_North
4.87841163 Assyrian_South
4.88155713 Assyrian_West
5.45609751 Armenian_West
5.68883116 Armenian_East
6.92017341 Kurdish_Jew
7.49259635 Turk_East
7.84125628 Mandean
7.89233806 Iraqi_Jew
8.32666200 Udi
10.14414117 Zaza
10.31898251 Greek_Pontus
10.36815798 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.65133325 Turk_Ahiska
11.23340554 Nusayri_Turkey
11.44471931 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.44558867 Hemshin
11.50396888 Turkmen_Iraq
11.67571839 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.12684625 Kurd_Adygea
12.24198922 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.26352723 Kurd_Sorani
12.30140642 Lebanese_Christian
12.33741869 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: *
Distance: 2.1662% / 2.16618402 | R2P
72.4 Kurdish_Jew
27.6 Abkhazian


Target: *
Distance: 1.0960% / 1.09604853 | R3P
57.9 Turk_Ahiska
27.8 Assyrian_North
14.3 Saudi

Target: *
Distance: 1.2566% / 1.25657683 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Azeri_Jew
25.1 Abkhazian
16.8 Armenian_East
8.8 Kuwait2
0.2 Chechen

Georgian Jew 2

Target: *7*7
Distance: 1.0365% / 1.03650585 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.2 Armenian_East
29.2 Abkhazian
19.6 Azeri_Jew
5.9 Yemenite_Mahra
5.1 Kuwait2


Mountain jew from Ismayilli, Azerbaijan.
Y-dna: J-P279

Distance to: Mount_jew
4.78784920 Kurdish_Jew
4.92699706 Azeri_Jew
4.99369603 Mandean
5.04925737 Assyrian_South
5.27119531 Assyrian_North
5.30822946 Iraqi_Jew
5.38461698 Assyrian_West
6.95611242 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.40971462 Armenian_West
8.94578672 Nusayri_Turkey
8.98504313 Turkmen_Iraq
9.10322470 Lebanese_Muslim
9.46578576 Turk_East
9.89975252 Armenian_East
9.91749464 Lebanese_Christian
10.05698762 Syrian_Muslim
10.32072187 Turk_Southeast
10.44765524 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.89429208 Dersim
10.89857789 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.08603626 Arab_Iran
11.59551206 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.64577176 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.94165818 Turk_Central_East
12.00855112 Azerbaijani_Iran


Gedrosia 17.37 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.28 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 3.12 Pct
East_African 0.9 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Mount_jew
4.56600482 Mandean
4.83707556 Kurdish_Jew
5.08948917 Iraqi_Jew
5.39440451 Assyrian_South
5.51413638 Azeri_Jew
5.81529879 Assyrian_West
5.94172534 Assyrian_North
6.25391877 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.43150725 Nusayri_Turkey
7.44718067 Lebanese_Muslim
8.67630682 Armenian_West
8.74819981 Turkmen_Iraq
8.91323174 Lebanese_Christian
9.35990385 Syrian_Muslim
10.02326793 Turk_East
10.64984037 Turk_Southeast
10.70428886 Arab_Iran
10.71591807 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.78852631 Armenian_East
11.27542904 Palestinian_Christian
11.40299961 Dersim
11.62993981 Syrian_SW_Christian
11.85993676 Palestinian
11.92922881 Iraqi_Arab
11.94851455 Udi_Azerbaijan


Distance to: Mount_jew
2.47537876 Kurdish_Jew
2.64202574 Azeri_Jew
2.67693855 Assyrian_South
2.85571357 Assyrian_North
3.30945615 Assyrian_West
3.41328288 Iraqi_Jew
3.68266208 Mandean
6.99147338 Armenian_West
9.08851473 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.51299637 Armenian_East
9.65155428 Nusayri_Turkey
10.00733231 Lebanese_Christian
10.56519285 Turk_East
10.79396127 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89097333 Lebanese_Muslim
11.83719561 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.86986099 Syrian_Muslim
12.19802033 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.22973017 Palestinian_Christian
12.58363620 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.63347933 Dersim
12.87088187 Arab_Iran
13.15922870 Turk_Southeast
13.27592935 Greek_Pontus
13.40333541 Jordanian_Christian

Distance to: Georgian jew 3
4.48513099 Armenian_West
5.04493806 Armenian_East
5.22497847 Assyrian_North
5.36236888 Assyrian_West
5.40116654 Azeri_Jew
5.55104495 Assyrian_South
7.87643320 Greek_Pontus
8.03693972 Kurdish_Jew
8.07787720 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.33679795 Turk_East
8.92763126 Iraqi_Jew
9.11460915 Hemshin
9.47216448 Mandean
9.76241261 Turk_Ahiska
9.79889279 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.40940921 Laz
10.60762462 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
11.84676327 Nusayri_Turkey
12.28093238 Greek_Cappadocia
12.74465378 Lebanese_Christian
13.60805276 Dersim
13.64077710 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.72707179 Turkmen_Iraq
13.83899924 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.98964617 Kurd_Kurmanji

Iranian Jew:

Gedrosian: 20.70
Siberian: 0.52
Northwest_African: 3.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.52
North_European: 1.65
South_Asian 1.47
East_African 0.81
Southwest_Asian: 20.87
East_Asian: 0.35
Caucasian: 41.73
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iranian_Jew
2.69247098 Mandean
5.19354407 Kurdish_Jew
5.51283049 Iraqi_Jew
5.79462682 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.33858817 Azeri_Jew
6.84339097 Assyrian_South
7.11629819 Assyrian_North
7.64423312 Assyrian_West
7.83693818 Turkmen_Iraq
9.30291352 Arab_Iran
10.01986527 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.27072052 Lebanese_Muslim
10.49387440 Syrian_Muslim
10.74404486 Yazidi_Kurd
10.92707189 Iranian_Lur
10.96409139 Kurd_Sorani
11.02999093 Armenian_West
11.04309286 Iraqi_Arab
11.06788146 Dersim
11.15551433 Kurd_Feyli
11.49000000 Nusayri_Turkey
12.08516446 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.12429379 Lebanese_Christian
12.17125712 Turk_Southeast
12.17237446 Turk_East

Target: Iranian_Jew
Distance: 0.9736% / 0.97363445 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Mandean
19.1 Kurd_Feyli
4.0 Saudi
2.3 Algerian

g25 west asia pca plot
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/118579646_319045082859208_1196333766777501209_n.pn g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Tg15gI-bPMYAX9RnLxr&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=eaa97603617daf4c013aab363c17513a&oe=618E5F46


Dodecad k12b pca plot
https://postlmg.cc/SjcBkTb7?fbclid=IwAR00G4sSnzBxzrxTLlCiHWGz-uoqK89eVtpX-hnGMjNk5GOUnnFhNI2kA8A

https://image.ibb.co/dCMoaG/pca.png?fbclid=IwAR2oAttldx73Ove3XfzoiCnyJ7sh3H9S0 lO0Nkh328fyEXYJJo-I3AHBQhA

Eurigenes pca plot
https://i.imgur.com/n281CUO.png

https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/58462633_2008130955980901_4891424282162233344_n.pn g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=2H-xwNcjItYAX81bIjk&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=b246846efc40263770238f50aabce9a3&oe=6190FF04

Assyrian dude's result
https://i.imgur.com/K2RgIhN.png

another Assyrian dude's result
https://i.imgur.com/PMmKEXF.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QXv_O1aOOj0/U-IhWGNTwmI/AAAAAAAAATQ/hW4US88knoM/s1600/Assyrian-Jewish.png

http://vaedhya.blogspot.com/2014/08/anchored-in-armenia-exercise-in-genetic.html

https://imgur.com/QXJOvVp

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-assyrians-and-jews-3-000-years-of-common-history

https://imgur.com/ZjGalHC

https://imgur.com/LWseQkb

https://imgur.com/LSAvs6A

Georgian Jew FTDNA result
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/245511515_303060971291654_7876013530309047421_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Kvu2Itu0i78AX-LtXER&_nc_oc=AQmtQJRJNlhhYPkZ8G1qTYehcUD2sXBzKmYJ2hpjpNu LCtXdg1dBvIlLwpJXi4ORt7KeHbPHycsTZFWsfknstahc&tn=RzXKvLPw6xVsu-N3&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=8c9451f7c79b2f5dcd762bc9a9132a8a&oe=618E864A

[Leto]

Almost everything said about the mizrahi jews in this thread is wrong. Every single mizrahi jewish subgroup is far from being pure levantine. Some groups are closer to levant than the others, however, all of the groups have significant non levantine admixture and in most cases mesopotamian+ little iranic admixture together dominates over levantine component in each mizrahi jewish population subgroups. Not every mizrahi jewish groups are the same and all of them differ from levantines quite a bit. They are closer to mesopotamians than they are to levantines...
Why are digging up and bumping all sorts of dead old threads?
I guess you are the real anti-Semite here because what you're implying is that no Jews are really native to Israel and don't belong there basically, at least not as supposedly rightful owners of the land. And since you claim you are an atheist Abraham and the Torah don't mean a thing to you either.

[Mesoman]

Why are digging up and bumping all sorts of dead old threads?
I guess you are the real anti-Semite here because what you're implying is that no Jews are really native to Israel and don't belong there basically, at least not as supposedly rightful owners of the land. And since you claim you are an atheist Abraham and the Torah don't mean a thing to you either.

Lies. I am writing responses on these old threads because people are writing misinformation about certain ethnicities and I though it was necessary from my part to write a reply so that somebody else comes across the gullible comments on this thread. I am an anti semite because I said that Mizrahi Jews aren't pure ancient israelites and pure levantines? Just because I said the truth and provided the evidence for that makes me an antisemite? Where was your head when you wrote this? If you read my previous post carefully, I didn't deny that mizrahi jews had any connection with the levant. Either you can't read or just making up lies to slender me. Also, what negative influence does me being an atheist have on the sources I used or the way I constructed my reply? What bad does it do to me by not believing in the pile of fairy tales written thousands of years ago without any scientific proof backing them up? I would really like to know the intent of writing this braindead reply that you wrote in response to my previous comment since for me it definitely seems that you are just strawmanning me because you can't defend your illogical bias with the proof or evidence. Also, if you are so butthurt about me writing comments on these dead old threads then why the hell did you even visit this thread in the first place if it is so irrelevant? Either respond to my claims and the sources I have used by evidence or shut up and stop making bald claims about me.

[Pine]

Almost everything said about the mizrahi jews in this thread is wrong. Every single mizrahi jewish subgroup is far from being pure levantine. Some groups are closer to levant than the others, however, all of the groups have significant non levantine admixture and in most cases mesopotamian+ little iranic admixture together dominates over levantine component in each mizrahi jewish population subgroups. Not every mizrahi jewish groups are the same and all of them differ from levantines quite a bit. They are closer to mesopotamians than they are to levantines...

Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.1819% / 0.18185483
21.1 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
14.3 İkiztepe_LC
12.7 Ebla_EMBA
9.0 Levant_BA
8.2 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.0 Arslantepe_LC
7.2 Ashkelon_LBA
5.2 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485_AD
2.9 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
2.6 Eastern_Scythian
2.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.3 Alalakh_MLBA_o
1.1 Beaker_Central_Europe
0.9 Yamnaya
0.8 Armenia_LBA
0.6 Alalakh_MLBA
0.5 I6626
0.1 Udosolovo_Ingria_Russia_IA

Target: Azerbaijan_Jews
Distance: 0.4698% / 0.46975701
35.3 Armenia_ChL
31.5 Levant_N
14.6 Iran_ChL
7.6 C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern
6.8 Iran_N
4.2 Levant_BA


Target: Iraq_Jews
Distance: 2.3493% / 2.34932206
50.1 Iran_ChL
33.1 Levant_N
10.0 Levant_BA
6.8 Armenia_ChL


Target: Iranian_Jews
Distance: 1.7284% / 1.72844248
62.5 Iran_ChL
33.4 Levant_N
4.1 Levant_BA


Target: Georgia_Jews
Distance: 1.8225% / 1.82253844
56.2 Armenia_ChL
31.9 Levant_N
11.9 Iran_ChL

Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.1931% / 0.19312359
16.9 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
14.7 İkiztepe_LC
14.5 Ebla_EMBA
10.4 Arslantepe_LC
9.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.1 Levant_BA
4.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485_AD
3.6 Ashkelon_LBA
3.2 Alalakh_MLBA
2.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
2.6 Alalakh_MLBA_o
2.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.4 Eastern_Scythian
2.0 Yamnaya
0.9 Beaker_Central_Europe
0.7 Armenia_LBA
0.4 I6626


Target: Iranian_Jews
Distance: 0.8849% / 0.88489686
24.9 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
24.0 İkiztepe_LC
15.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
11.3 Ebla_EMBA
9.3 Alalakh_MLBA
6.3 Levant_N
4.9 Levant_BA
3.8 Arslantepe_LC



Target: Iraq_Jews
Distance: 0.9151% / 0.91505414
47.0 Alalakh_MLBA
15.8 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
11.9 Ebla_EMBA
10.0 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.3 Levant_N
3.1 İkiztepe_LC
2.8 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
0.7 Levant_BA
0.4 Arslantepe_LC



Target: Georgia_Jews
Distance: 0.5559% / 0.55593526
33.0 İkiztepe_LC
27.0 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
10.3 Arslantepe_LC
9.9 Ashkelon_LBA
6.4 Levant_BA
4.2 Alalakh_MLBA
3.4 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.2 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
1.7 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
1.3 Caucasus_lowlands_LC
0.3 Armenia_LBA
0.3 Ebla_EMBA

Target: Azerbaijan_Jews
Distance: 0.3634% / 0.36341965
36.4 İkiztepe_LC
21.5 Ebla_EMBA
18.4 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
10.2 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
8.7 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
2.4 Levant_BA
2.1 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
0.3 DA380

Georgian Jew1

Population
Gedrosia 17.59 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.35 Pct
North_European 5.82 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 18.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.91 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: *
4.40386194 Azeri_Jew
4.52952536 Assyrian_North
4.87841163 Assyrian_South
4.88155713 Assyrian_West
5.45609751 Armenian_West
5.68883116 Armenian_East
6.92017341 Kurdish_Jew
7.49259635 Turk_East
7.84125628 Mandean
7.89233806 Iraqi_Jew
8.32666200 Udi
10.14414117 Zaza
10.31898251 Greek_Pontus
10.36815798 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.65133325 Turk_Ahiska
11.23340554 Nusayri_Turkey
11.44471931 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.44558867 Hemshin
11.50396888 Turkmen_Iraq
11.67571839 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.12684625 Kurd_Adygea
12.24198922 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.26352723 Kurd_Sorani
12.30140642 Lebanese_Christian
12.33741869 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: *
Distance: 2.1662% / 2.16618402 | R2P
72.4 Kurdish_Jew
27.6 Abkhazian


Target: *
Distance: 1.0960% / 1.09604853 | R3P
57.9 Turk_Ahiska
27.8 Assyrian_North
14.3 Saudi

Target: *
Distance: 1.2566% / 1.25657683 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1 Azeri_Jew
25.1 Abkhazian
16.8 Armenian_East
8.8 Kuwait2
0.2 Chechen

Georgian Jew 2

Target: *7*7
Distance: 1.0365% / 1.03650585 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.2 Armenian_East
29.2 Abkhazian
19.6 Azeri_Jew
5.9 Yemenite_Mahra
5.1 Kuwait2


Mountain jew from Ismayilli, Azerbaijan.
Y-dna: J-P279

Distance to: Mount_jew
4.78784920 Kurdish_Jew
4.92699706 Azeri_Jew
4.99369603 Mandean
5.04925737 Assyrian_South
5.27119531 Assyrian_North
5.30822946 Iraqi_Jew
5.38461698 Assyrian_West
6.95611242 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.40971462 Armenian_West
8.94578672 Nusayri_Turkey
8.98504313 Turkmen_Iraq
9.10322470 Lebanese_Muslim
9.46578576 Turk_East
9.89975252 Armenian_East
9.91749464 Lebanese_Christian
10.05698762 Syrian_Muslim
10.32072187 Turk_Southeast
10.44765524 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.89429208 Dersim
10.89857789 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.08603626 Arab_Iran
11.59551206 Azerbaijani_Republic
11.64577176 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.94165818 Turk_Central_East
12.00855112 Azerbaijani_Iran


Gedrosia 17.37 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.28 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 3.12 Pct
East_African 0.9 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Mount_jew
4.56600482 Mandean
4.83707556 Kurdish_Jew
5.08948917 Iraqi_Jew
5.39440451 Assyrian_South
5.51413638 Azeri_Jew
5.81529879 Assyrian_West
5.94172534 Assyrian_North
6.25391877 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.43150725 Nusayri_Turkey
7.44718067 Lebanese_Muslim
8.67630682 Armenian_West
8.74819981 Turkmen_Iraq
8.91323174 Lebanese_Christian
9.35990385 Syrian_Muslim
10.02326793 Turk_East
10.64984037 Turk_Southeast
10.70428886 Arab_Iran
10.71591807 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.78852631 Armenian_East
11.27542904 Palestinian_Christian
11.40299961 Dersim
11.62993981 Syrian_SW_Christian
11.85993676 Palestinian
11.92922881 Iraqi_Arab
11.94851455 Udi_Azerbaijan


Distance to: Mount_jew
2.47537876 Kurdish_Jew
2.64202574 Azeri_Jew
2.67693855 Assyrian_South
2.85571357 Assyrian_North
3.30945615 Assyrian_West
3.41328288 Iraqi_Jew
3.68266208 Mandean
6.99147338 Armenian_West
9.08851473 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.51299637 Armenian_East
9.65155428 Nusayri_Turkey
10.00733231 Lebanese_Christian
10.56519285 Turk_East
10.79396127 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89097333 Lebanese_Muslim
11.83719561 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.86986099 Syrian_Muslim
12.19802033 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.22973017 Palestinian_Christian
12.58363620 Syrian_SW_Christian
12.63347933 Dersim
12.87088187 Arab_Iran
13.15922870 Turk_Southeast
13.27592935 Greek_Pontus
13.40333541 Jordanian_Christian

Distance to: Georgian jew 3
4.48513099 Armenian_West
5.04493806 Armenian_East
5.22497847 Assyrian_North
5.36236888 Assyrian_West
5.40116654 Azeri_Jew
5.55104495 Assyrian_South
7.87643320 Greek_Pontus
8.03693972 Kurdish_Jew
8.07787720 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.33679795 Turk_East
8.92763126 Iraqi_Jew
9.11460915 Hemshin
9.47216448 Mandean
9.76241261 Turk_Ahiska
9.79889279 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.40940921 Laz
10.60762462 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
11.84676327 Nusayri_Turkey
12.28093238 Greek_Cappadocia
12.74465378 Lebanese_Christian
13.60805276 Dersim
13.64077710 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.72707179 Turkmen_Iraq
13.83899924 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.98964617 Kurd_Kurmanji

Iranian Jew:

Gedrosian: 20.70
Siberian: 0.52
Northwest_African: 3.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.52
North_European: 1.65
South_Asian 1.47
East_African 0.81
Southwest_Asian: 20.87
East_Asian: 0.35
Caucasian: 41.73
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iranian_Jew
2.69247098 Mandean
5.19354407 Kurdish_Jew
5.51283049 Iraqi_Jew
5.79462682 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.33858817 Azeri_Jew
6.84339097 Assyrian_South
7.11629819 Assyrian_North
7.64423312 Assyrian_West
7.83693818 Turkmen_Iraq
9.30291352 Arab_Iran
10.01986527 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.27072052 Lebanese_Muslim
10.49387440 Syrian_Muslim
10.74404486 Yazidi_Kurd
10.92707189 Iranian_Lur
10.96409139 Kurd_Sorani
11.02999093 Armenian_West
11.04309286 Iraqi_Arab
11.06788146 Dersim
11.15551433 Kurd_Feyli
11.49000000 Nusayri_Turkey
12.08516446 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.12429379 Lebanese_Christian
12.17125712 Turk_Southeast
12.17237446 Turk_East

Target: Iranian_Jew
Distance: 0.9736% / 0.97363445 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Mandean
19.1 Kurd_Feyli
4.0 Saudi
2.3 Algerian

g25 west asia pca plot
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/118579646_319045082859208_1196333766777501209_n.pn g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Tg15gI-bPMYAX9RnLxr&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=eaa97603617daf4c013aab363c17513a&oe=618E5F46


Dodecad k12b pca plot
https://postlmg.cc/SjcBkTb7?fbclid=IwAR00G4sSnzBxzrxTLlCiHWGz-uoqK89eVtpX-hnGMjNk5GOUnnFhNI2kA8A

https://image.ibb.co/dCMoaG/pca.png?fbclid=IwAR2oAttldx73Ove3XfzoiCnyJ7sh3H9S0 lO0Nkh328fyEXYJJo-I3AHBQhA

Eurigenes pca plot
https://i.imgur.com/n281CUO.png

https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/58462633_2008130955980901_4891424282162233344_n.pn g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=2H-xwNcjItYAX81bIjk&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=b246846efc40263770238f50aabce9a3&oe=6190FF04

Assyrian dude's result
https://i.imgur.com/K2RgIhN.png

another Assyrian dude's result
https://i.imgur.com/PMmKEXF.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QXv_O1aOOj0/U-IhWGNTwmI/AAAAAAAAATQ/hW4US88knoM/s1600/Assyrian-Jewish.png

http://vaedhya.blogspot.com/2014/08/anchored-in-armenia-exercise-in-genetic.html

https://imgur.com/QXJOvVp

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-assyrians-and-jews-3-000-years-of-common-history

https://imgur.com/ZjGalHC

https://imgur.com/LWseQkb

https://imgur.com/LSAvs6A

Georgian Jew FTDNA result
https://scontent-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/245511515_303060971291654_7876013530309047421_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Kvu2Itu0i78AX-LtXER&_nc_oc=AQmtQJRJNlhhYPkZ8G1qTYehcUD2sXBzKmYJ2hpjpNu LCtXdg1dBvIlLwpJXi4ORt7KeHbPHycsTZFWsfknstahc&tn=RzXKvLPw6xVsu-N3&_nc_ht=scontent-ams4-1.xx&oh=8c9451f7c79b2f5dcd762bc9a9132a8a&oe=618E864A

Levantine may not be the largest component in most Mizrachim, but these models are terrible.

[Mesoman]

Levantine may not be the largest component in most Mizrachim, but these models are terrible.

Of course they are terrible...:picard1: Would you mind explaining why?

[Pine]

Of course they are terrible...:picard1: Would you mind explaining why?


Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.1819% / 0.18185483
21.1 Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
14.3 İkiztepe_LC
12.7 Ebla_EMBA
9.0 Levant_BA
8.2 Seh_Gabi_Iran_LN
8.0 Arslantepe_LC
7.2 Ashkelon_LBA
5.2 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485_AD
2.9 Ganj_Dareh_Iran_N
2.6 Eastern_Scythian
2.5 Seh_Gabi_Iran_ChL
2.3 Alalakh_MLBA_o
1.1 Beaker_Central_Europe
0.9 Yamnaya
0.8 Armenia_LBA
0.6 Alalakh_MLBA
0.5 I6626
0.1 Udosolovo_Ingria_Russia_IA

Have you heard of overfitting?

[Mesoman]

Have you heard of overfitting?

The result reduced to 3 reference groups.

Target: Uzbekistan_Jews
Distance: 0.2019% / 0.20187431 | R3P
45.7 Levant_N
29.1 Armenia_ChL
25.2 Iran_N

[Kenshiro]

No Italian, interesting. A lot of Jews score it.

I'm Italian and 13% Sephardic Jewish but I don't know if it's a common Italian/Greek component or it's just Phoenician/Canaanite, because among the genetic groups it gives me Scotland, Corsica, Veneto/Friuli and Venezuela

[Beowulf]

Me and my Father share a genetic group from Greece that says is from Sephardic jews it's mostly genetically Italian and Jewish and something curious is the map of the genetic group that have a spot in the town where my paternal grandfathers live now