View Full Version : some of my eurogenes results (north-eastern italy) + questions
Clawgauth
03-16-2018, 02:13 PM
Here some of my results from eurogenes.
I'm very ignorant about genetics and autosomal maps so, if someone wants to say his opinion, he's welcome.
I compared a lot of north italians and italians to my results and I have an high eastern europe/balkan and East Asian/Siberian, basically twice than them ( and a lot of them have basically 0.0% east asian, or maybe they find it only in some autosomal maps under 0.5 % , rumor I would say).
Does it mean that I probably have also a balkan ancestry maybe from some zones influenced by huns/avars/Magyars or turks?
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 34.42
Baltic 9.98
West_Med 23.20
West_Asian 6.46
East_Med 20.86
Red_Sea 3.11
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.94
Siberian 0.17
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.86
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
v2K15
Population
North_Sea 24.92
Atlantic 18.89
Baltic 5.97
Eastern_Euro 1.15
West_Med 19.78
West_Asian 5.05
East_Med 19.53
Red_Sea 2.85
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.75
Siberian 0.28
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.85
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
K9B
Population
Southwest_Asian 8.32
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 2.33
Mediterranean 32.21
North_European 55.76
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.95
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.44
k10
Population
South Asian -
Caucasus 14.31
Southwest Asian 9.48
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 28.52
East Asian 0.93
West African 0.28
East European 8.26
North Atlantic 38.2
K12B
opulation
Western European 31.26
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 3.67
South Asian -
West African 0.61
Caucasus 10.73
Finnish 2.86
Mediterranean 29.31
Southwest Asian 8.79
North European 11.63
East Asian 1.15
Vid Flumina
03-16-2018, 03:14 PM
Are you from Verona? Your results are quite western and southern shifted for a Venetian, too close to Bergamo.
Your Baltic and Eastern Euro is actually very low in K15, even I - half northwest Italian - have higher Baltic and much higher Eastern Euro at around 6%.
Sebastianus Rex
03-16-2018, 03:24 PM
I believe your results are well within the northern Italian averages/variation. Just the East Med seems a bit above the average but nothing too atypical.
Clawgauth
03-16-2018, 03:56 PM
Are you from Verona? Your results are quite western and southern shifted for a Venetian, too close to Bergamo.
Your Baltic and Eastern Euro is actually very low in K15, even I - half northwest Italian - have higher Baltic and much higher Eastern Euro at around 6%.
No, I'm from an island near Venice.
Yes, by the way, I'm not saying my results are atypical or not common, just investigating the east asian admixture that seems pretty uncommon here.
In some results is always almost 1% or more. Can be some distant magyar ancestry I suppose..
What about Dodecad K7b and K12b?
Vid Flumina
03-16-2018, 05:19 PM
No, I'm from an island near Venice.
Yes, by the way, I'm not saying my results are atypical or not common, just investigating the east asian admixture that seems pretty uncommon here.
In some results is always almost 1% or more. Can be some distant magyar ancestry I suppose..
It could be but I wouldn't worry too much about it unless it is consistently over 1-1.5%.
What's distinctive about your results is mainly the high East Med and West Med, so I would maybe look in a Byzantine direction?
Your position vs 3 Venetian samples I have (Motta di Livenza-Treviso-Vicenza):
https://i.imgur.com/HDo8Lhl.png
Clawgauth
03-16-2018, 05:50 PM
It could be but I wouldn't worry too much about it unless it is consistently over 1-1.5%.
What's distinctive about your results is mainly the high East Med and West Med, so I would maybe look in a Byzantine direction?
Your position vs 3 Venetian samples I have (Motta di Livenza-Treviso-Vicenza):
https://i.imgur.com/HDo8Lhl.png
Well i think my byzantine / Greek ancestry is pretty clear my friend ! I was investigating the Asian ancestry because all the northern Italian and Italian results I compared showed really low quantity of East Asian or siberian. Mine are always even double. By the way I'm not worried , actually I'm really enthusiastic to have an ancestor among Magyars, avars or huns! I'll post other results on Sunday. The east Asian is always present and not in topically Italian quantities
Well i think my byzantine / Greek ancestry is pretty clear my friend ! I was investigating the Asian ancestry because all the northern Italian and Italian results I compared showed really low quantity of East Asian or siberian. Mine are always even double. By the way I'm not worried , actually I'm really enthusiastic to have an ancestor among Magyars, avars or huns! I'll post other results on Sunday. The east Asian is always present and not in topically Italian quantities
I'm sure there are many other Venetians about where you plot. Other than the small East Asian your results look quite ordinary. Congratz btw.
Vid Flumina
03-16-2018, 06:22 PM
Well i think my byzantine / Greek ancestry is pretty clear my friend ! I was investigating the Asian ancestry because all the northern Italian and Italian results I compared showed really low quantity of East Asian or siberian. Mine are always even double. By the way I'm not worried , actually I'm really enthusiastic to have an ancestor among Magyars, avars or huns! I'll post other results on Sunday. The east Asian is always present and not in topically Italian quantities
Out of curiosity, how many SNPs are used on average in your evaluations?
Sebastianus Rex
03-16-2018, 09:30 PM
No, I'm from an island near Venice.
Yes, by the way, I'm not saying my results are atypical or not common, just investigating the east asian admixture that seems pretty uncommon here.
In some results is always almost 1% or more. Can be some distant magyar ancestry I suppose..
Values that low are considered noise, it is not an exact science.
Clawgauth
03-18-2018, 06:32 PM
Out of curiosity, how many SNPs are used on average in your evaluations?
I must ask the guy who is into it. I gave him my results and he compared it with 10 others northern italians (venetian included) and various italians, and the east asian percentage from my test emerged from every dodecad/eurogenes autosomal map.
I'm not too much into genetic, but he showed to me that the east asian was present basically only on my results, and in a pretty high percentage (for an italian) on some autosomal map.
So sorry I'm so ignorant but I'll have answers soon.
Clawgauth
03-18-2018, 06:36 PM
What about Dodecad K7b and K12b?
K7b
Population
South_Asian -
West_Asian 16.12
Siberian 0.43
African -
Southern 29.80
Atlantic_Baltic 53.29
East_Asian 0.36
k12b
Population
Gedrosia 5.19
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.05
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.75
North_European 24.34
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.99
East_Asian 0.81
Caucasus 21.86
Sub_Saharan -
As I said, always present, it doesn't seems exactly noise.
K7b
Population
South_Asian -
West_Asian 16.12
Siberian 0.43
African -
Southern 29.80
Atlantic_Baltic 53.29
East_Asian 0.36
k12b
Population
Gedrosia 5.19
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.05
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.75
North_European 24.34
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.99
East_Asian 0.81
Caucasus 21.86
Sub_Saharan -
As I said, always present, it doesn't seems exactly noise.
Well, 1% means basically nothing.
Petalpusher
03-18-2018, 08:11 PM
Likely isn't noise at this consistency and near integer values. However nothing very significant probably just a GGG ancestor that carried some
How much E.Asian on ANE K7?
@Clawgauth
Your Southern compatriots get 1-2% SSA (see Sikeliot's countless threads) and you are basically 0%. ;)
Clawgauth
03-18-2018, 09:03 PM
Likely isn't noise at this consistency and near integer values. However nothing very significant probably just a GGG ancestor that carried some
How much E.Asian on ANE K7?
k7
Population
ANE 9.62
ASE 0.54
WHG-UHG 48.02
East_Eurasian 1.96
West_African -
East_African 0.20
ENF 39.66
And k9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 8.32
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 2.33
Mediterranean 32.21
North_European 55.76
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.95
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.44
Petalpusher
03-19-2018, 11:50 AM
k7
Population
ANE 9.62
ASE 0.54
WHG-UHG 48.02
East_Eurasian 1.96
West_African -
East_African 0.20
ENF 39.66
Defo not noise but you won't get to know much more about it, unless maybe you test a parent and see where it goes or find numerous distant relatives that would be odd for your ancestry.
You have high Southwest Asian combined with some North African - Strange for a North Italian. Also you seem to have higher East Mediterranean pulling you southward. Given your Venetian ancestry it's likely you have other ancestry than just Italian - Dalmatians, Jews, Greeks been in Veneto and intermixed with the locals for centuries. I'd be interested to see your 23andme ancestry painting which gives more exact details about your ancestry than Gedmatch.
alnortedelsur
03-23-2018, 12:09 AM
Here some of my results from eurogenes.
I'm very ignorant about genetics and autosomal maps so, if someone wants to say his opinion, he's welcome.
I compared a lot of north italians and italians to my results and I have an high eastern europe/balkan and East Asian/Siberian, basically twice than them ( and a lot of them have basically 0.0% east asian, or maybe they find it only in some autosomal maps under 0.5 % , rumor I would say).
Does it mean that I probably have also a balkan ancestry maybe from some zones influenced by huns/avars/Magyars or turks?
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 34.42
Baltic 9.98
West_Med 23.20
West_Asian 6.46
East_Med 20.86
Red_Sea 3.11
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.94
Siberian 0.17
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.86
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
v2K15
Population
North_Sea 24.92
Atlantic 18.89
Baltic 5.97
Eastern_Euro 1.15
West_Med 19.78
West_Asian 5.05
East_Med 19.53
Red_Sea 2.85
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.75
Siberian 0.28
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.85
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
K9B
Population
Southwest_Asian 8.32
Native_American -
Northeast_Asian 2.33
Mediterranean 32.21
North_European 55.76
Southeast_Asian -
Oceanian 0.95
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African 0.44
k10
Population
South Asian -
Caucasus 14.31
Southwest Asian 9.48
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 28.52
East Asian 0.93
West African 0.28
East European 8.26
North Atlantic 38.2
K12B
opulation
Western European 31.26
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 3.67
South Asian -
West African 0.61
Caucasus 10.73
Finnish 2.86
Mediterranean 29.31
Southwest Asian 8.79
North European 11.63
East Asian 1.15
I am really surprised that your results, in most of these calculators, are pretty close to mine, except for my Amerindian
and SSA
K13:
North_Atlantic 31.95
Baltic 8.88
West_Med 22.01
West_Asian 4.20
East_Med 15.70
Red_Sea 3.12
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 6.66
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.40
Sub-Saharan 5.34
V2K15:
North_Sea 14.83
Atlantic 25.77
Baltic 4.58
Eastern_Euro 3.44
West_Med 16.78
West_Asian 4.21
East_Med 13.78
Red_Sea 3.09
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian 6.40
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.61
Sub-Saharan 5.09
K9b:
Southwest_Asian 6.68
Native_American 7.33
Northeast_Asian 0.60
Mediterranean 28.08
North_European 49.93
Southeast_Asian 0.60
Oceanian -
South_African 0.40
Sub-Saharan_African 6.39
K10:
South Asian -
Caucasus 11.73
Southwest Asian 6.57
North Amerindian + Arctic 6.32
Siberian 0.72
Mediterranean 25.80
East Asian -
West African 6.04
East European 9.19
North Atlantic 33.63
K12b:
Western European 30.06
Siberian 4.08
East African 2.30
West Central Asian 1.04
South Asian -
West African 4.76
Caucasus 10.78
Finnish 2.41
Mediterranean 24.67
Southwest Asian 5.36
North European 12.70
East Asian 1.85
I am really surprised that your results, in most of these calculators, are pretty close to mine, except for my Amerindian
and SSA
K13:
North_Atlantic 31.95
Baltic 8.88
West_Med 22.01
West_Asian 4.20
East_Med 15.70
Red_Sea 3.12
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 6.66
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.40
Sub-Saharan 5.34
You are ~86% Caucasoid (North Atlantic, Baltic, West Med, East Med, West Asian, Red Sea and maybe half of the NE African too), ~6% SSA and ~7% Amerindian (the Siberian is most likely Amerindian too).
1/16 is 6.25% strictly speaking, but you may as well say you're 1/16 Amerindian and 1/16 SS African.
Also, the African may not be entirely Venezuelan, see the results of FilhoV and some other people he posted.
alnortedelsur
03-23-2018, 01:09 AM
You are ~86% Caucasoid (North Atlantic, Baltic, West Med, East Med, West Asian, Red Sea and maybe half of the NE African too), ~6% SSA and ~7% Amerindian (the Siberian is most likely Amerindian too).
1/16 is 6.25% strictly speaking, but you may as well say you're 1/16 Amerindian and 1/16 SS African.
Also, the African may not be entirely Venezuelan, see the results of FilhoV and some other people he posted.
Agree, however, I'm really surprised that the values of most of my Euro markers are very close to the values of this northern Italian guy, on all of these calculators, being the case that I'm very likely mostly Spanish descent. Even though, I have some minor Italian ancestry (6.25%) that I got from a paternal great grandpa, who was Italian, but that's not enough to explain the high similarity between my Euro values and the Euro values in Northern Italians.
Now I see why I plot with, or close to Northern Italians in most PCA maps :p
Agree, however, I'm really surprised that the values of most of my Euro markers are very close to the values of this northern Italian guy, on all of these calculators, being the case that I'm very likely mostly Spanish descent. Even though, I have some minor Italian ancestry (6.25%) that I got from a paternal great grandpa, who was Italian, but that's not enough to explain the high similarity between my Euro values and the Euro values in Northern Italians.
Now I see why I plot with, or close to Northern Italians in most PCA maps :p
Yeah, I see. By the way, put your haplogroups in the info, that'd look cool :thumb001:
alnortedelsur
03-23-2018, 01:52 AM
Yeah, I see. By the way, put your haplogroups in the info, that'd look cool :thumb001:
Maternal Halogroup: H
Paternal Halogroup: J-M267
I'm going to put them on my profile.
Vid Flumina
03-23-2018, 07:26 AM
Now I see why I plot with, or close to Northern Italians in most PCA maps :p
You look convincingly North Italian on a PCA. Plotting tightly with northwestern Lombards from Lecco, Como and Varese, just north of Bergamo; possibly the result of SSA pulling you south from Iberia and Amerindian dragging you eastward + your minor Italian.
alnortedelsur
03-23-2018, 12:31 PM
You look convincingly North Italian on a PCA. Plotting tightly with northwestern Lombards from Lecco, Como and Varese, just north of Bergamo; possibly the result of SSA pulling you south from Iberia and Amerindian dragging you eastward + your minor Italian.
Yeap :)
You have high Southwest Asian combined with some North African - Strange for a North Italian. Also you seem to have higher East Mediterranean pulling you southward. Given your Venetian ancestry it's likely you have other ancestry than just Italian - Dalmatians, Jews, Greeks been in Veneto and intermixed with the locals for centuries.
Nice try. There is no ''Dalmatian'' ethnicity, they are Croats, and dalmatian ancestry would pull him much more northeast, not towards eastern mediterranean :rolleyes:
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