Egyptian Gedmatch Results

[FilhoV]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.66
2 Red_Sea 19.94
3 Northeast_African 17.77
4 West_Med 16.32
5 Sub-Saharan 7.33
6 North_Atlantic 3.56
7 West_Asian 2.71
8 South_Asian 0.37
9 Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptian 11.22
2 Moroccan 13.08
3 Algerian 13.22
4 Tunisian 13.47
5 Mozabite_Berber 14.73
6 Bedouin 18.42
7 Libyan_Jewish 21.22
8 Jordanian 21.43
9 Palestinian 22.86
10 Tunisian_Jewish 22.98
11 Algerian_Jewish 24.87
12 Syrian 25.18
13 Saudi 26.27
14 Samaritan 26.47
15 Sephardic_Jewish 26.54
16 Italian_Jewish 26.93
17 Yemenite_Jewish 26.98
18 Lebanese_Muslim 27.74
19 Ashkenazi 28.06
20 East_Sicilian 28.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.5% Tunisian + 26.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 5.23
2 74.6% Tunisian + 25.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 5.56
3 75.1% Algerian + 24.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.76
4 76.2% Algerian + 23.8% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 7.05
5 55.9% Egyptian + 44.1% Moroccan @ 7.17
6 79.6% Tunisian + 20.4% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 7.35
7 80.5% Tunisian + 19.5% Somali @ 7.4
8 84.7% Egyptian + 15.3% Somali @ 7.43
9 81.5% Tunisian + 18.5% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 7.67
10 84.3% Egyptian + 15.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 7.67
11 89.2% Egyptian + 10.8% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 7.75
12 85.8% Egyptian + 14.2% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 7.76
13 87.1% Egyptian + 12.9% Maasai @ 7.78
14 73.2% Mozabite_Berber + 26.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 7.88
15 89.9% Egyptian + 10.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 7.89
16 89.2% Egyptian + 10.8% Hadza @ 8.03
17 82.1% Egyptian + 17.9% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 8.1
18 81.4% Egyptian + 18.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 8.11
19 76.8% Moroccan + 23.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 8.11
20 61.6% Egyptian + 38.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.22

[FilhoV]

From Sohag Upper Egypt

[Freeroostah]

You know when a calculator sucks when you are not mixed and your closest distance is 11.22.

You should try with MDLP K23b :thumb001:

[Leto]

Post his MDLP World results please

[FilhoV]

I’ll post them later

[Leto]

I’ll post them later
Post the kit no. please. :)

[Leto]

Okay, guys, here is the MDLP World result:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 42.52
2 South_and_West_European 22.58
3 Sub_Saharian 18.41
4 Caucaus_Parsia 10.73
5 Paleo_African 2.8
6 Indian 1.8
7 East_Asian 0.91
8 Melanesian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptian 9.88
2 Mozabite 14.64
3 Moroccan 15.6
4 Yemen 15.86
5 Jordanian 16.14
6 Palestinian 18.79
7 Jew_Libya 20.82
8 Jew_Tunisia 23.05
9 Jew_Algeria 23.56
10 Jew_Morocco 24.01
11 Syrian 24.61
12 Samaritian 25.25
13 Bedouin 25.29
14 Lebanese 26.28
15 Jew_Syria 26.62
16 Druze 27.48
17 Sephardim 27.56
18 Jew_Italia 28.26
19 Iraqi 28.5
20 Jew_France 28.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% Sephardim + 45.2% Ethiopian @ 2.39
2 54.4% Sephardim + 45.6% Jew-Ethiopia @ 2.54
3 58.7% Jew_Algeria + 41.3% Ethiopian @ 2.55
4 59.3% Jew_Tunisia + 40.7% Ethiopian @ 2.68
5 58.3% Jew_Morocco + 41.7% Ethiopian @ 2.71
6 58.4% Jew_Algeria + 41.6% Jew-Ethiopia @ 2.83
7 54.2% Sephardim + 45.8% Jew_Ethiopia @ 2.86
8 61.8% Jew_Libya + 38.2% Ethiopian @ 2.98
9 58.1% Jew_Algeria + 41.9% Jew_Ethiopia @ 3.04
10 58.9% Jew_Tunisia + 41.1% Jew-Ethiopia @ 3.44
11 57.9% Jew_Morocco + 42.1% Jew-Ethiopia @ 3.44
12 53.8% Jew_Italia + 46.2% Jew-Ethiopia @ 3.49
13 54.2% Jew_Italia + 45.8% Ethiopian @ 3.55
14 53.3% Jew_France + 46.7% Jew-Ethiopia @ 3.57
15 53.6% Jew_Italia + 46.4% Jew_Ethiopia @ 3.68
16 53.7% Jew_France + 46.3% Ethiopian @ 3.71
17 57.7% Jew_Morocco + 42.3% Jew_Ethiopia @ 3.74
18 53.1% Jew_France + 46.9% Jew_Ethiopia @ 3.75
19 58.7% Jew_Tunisia + 41.3% Jew_Ethiopia @ 3.79
20 52.1% Mozabite + 47.9% Yemen @ 3.92

Obviosuly mixed with Negroes after the rise of Islam.

[Leto]

Sohag Governorate:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Sohag_in_Egypt.svg/650px-Sohag_in_Egypt.svg.png

[Sikeliot]

As you move south in Egypt the East African ancestry increases.

In Eurogenes, Sicily is in their top 20 still but at a large distance.

[Leto]

As you move south in Egypt the East African ancestry increases.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 25.54
2 Caucasus 21.45
3 Northwest_African 15
4 East_African 14.09
5 Atlantic_Med 13.05
6 Sub_Saharan 8.62
7 Gedrosia 1.48
8 East_Asian 0.7
9 South_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptans (Behar) 11.57
2 Yemenese (Behar) 19.53
3 Palestinian (HGDP) 22.54
4 Jordanians (Behar) 22.81
5 Bedouin (HGDP) 24.97
6 Algerian (Dodecad) 25.12
7 Syrians (Behar) 26.48
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 26.68
9 Lebanese (Behar) 27.16
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 29.78
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 32.56
12 Samaritians (Behar) 32.64
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 33.1
14 Druze (HGDP) 33.2
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.79
16 Moroccans (Behar) 33.82
17 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.11
18 Cypriots (Behar) 35.13
19 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 35.28
20 Moroccan (Dodecad) 35.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 27.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 6.85
2 78.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 21.8% Moroccans (Behar) @ 6.99
3 79.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 20.3% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 7.51
4 57.2% Yemenese (Behar) + 42.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 7.94
5 66.1% Yemenese (Behar) + 33.9% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 8.52
6 65.2% Yemenese (Behar) + 34.8% Moroccans (Behar) @ 8.88
7 92.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.3% LWK30 (Behar) @ 9.13
8 92.9% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.1% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 9.18
9 90.5% Egyptans (Behar) + 9.5% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 9.36
10 93.6% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.4% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 9.43
11 93.9% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.1% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 9.45
12 94.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 5.8% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 9.54
13 91.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 8.3% Sandawe_He (Henn) @ 9.57
14 94.8% Egyptans (Behar) + 5.2% Mandenka (HGDP) @ 9.67
15 87.5% Egyptans (Behar) + 12.5% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 9.71
16 95% Egyptans (Behar) + 5% Yoruba (HGDP) @ 9.75
17 95% Egyptans (Behar) + 5% YRI30 (HGDP) @ 9.75
18 93.4% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 9.87
19 92.1% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.9% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 9.92
20 91.8% Egyptans (Behar) + 8.2% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 9.95

[Sikeliot]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 25.54
2 Caucasus 21.45
3 Northwest_African 15
4 East_African 14.09
5 Atlantic_Med 13.05
6 Sub_Saharan 8.62
7 Gedrosia 1.48
8 East_Asian 0.7
9 South_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptans (Behar) 11.57
2 Yemenese (Behar) 19.53
3 Palestinian (HGDP) 22.54
4 Jordanians (Behar) 22.81
5 Bedouin (HGDP) 24.97
6 Algerian (Dodecad) 25.12
7 Syrians (Behar) 26.48
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 26.68
9 Lebanese (Behar) 27.16
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 29.78
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 32.56
12 Samaritians (Behar) 32.64
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 33.1
14 Druze (HGDP) 33.2
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.79
16 Moroccans (Behar) 33.82
17 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.11
18 Cypriots (Behar) 35.13
19 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 35.28
20 Moroccan (Dodecad) 35.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 27.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 6.85
2 78.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 21.8% Moroccans (Behar) @ 6.99
3 79.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 20.3% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 7.51
4 57.2% Yemenese (Behar) + 42.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 7.94
5 66.1% Yemenese (Behar) + 33.9% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 8.52
6 65.2% Yemenese (Behar) + 34.8% Moroccans (Behar) @ 8.88
7 92.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.3% LWK30 (Behar) @ 9.13
8 92.9% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.1% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 9.18
9 90.5% Egyptans (Behar) + 9.5% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 9.36
10 93.6% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.4% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 9.43
11 93.9% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.1% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 9.45
12 94.2% Egyptans (Behar) + 5.8% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 9.54
13 91.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 8.3% Sandawe_He (Henn) @ 9.57
14 94.8% Egyptans (Behar) + 5.2% Mandenka (HGDP) @ 9.67
15 87.5% Egyptans (Behar) + 12.5% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 9.71
16 95% Egyptans (Behar) + 5% Yoruba (HGDP) @ 9.75
17 95% Egyptans (Behar) + 5% YRI30 (HGDP) @ 9.75
18 93.4% Egyptans (Behar) + 6.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 9.87
19 92.1% Egyptans (Behar) + 7.9% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 9.92
20 91.8% Egyptans (Behar) + 8.2% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 9.95



WHAT. Closer to Sicily than to Morocco!!

[Leto]

A Copt for comparison:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M735006

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 48.61
2 Red_Sea 20.66
3 West_Med 13.19
4 Northeast_African 11.77
5 West_Asian 5.56
6 East_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptian 11.25
2 Yemenite_Jewish 12.48
3 Bedouin 13.88
4 Palestinian 14.22
5 Jordanian 15.48
6 Samaritan 16.83
7 Saudi 17.72
8 Libyan_Jewish 18.76
9 Lebanese_Christian 19.38
10 Tunisian_Jewish 19.83
11 Syrian 20.74
12 Lebanese_Druze 21.57
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.36
14 Cyprian 23.66
15 Algerian_Jewish 24.07
16 Tunisian 24.12
17 Italian_Jewish 24.79
18 Sephardic_Jewish 24.84
19 Algerian 25.53
20 Moroccan 26.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% Egyptian + 45.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.53
2 73.3% Yemenite_Jewish + 26.7% Moroccan @ 8.42
3 64.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 35.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 8.54
4 71.4% Yemenite_Jewish + 28.6% Tunisian @ 8.64
5 72.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 27.1% Algerian @ 8.72
6 74.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 25.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.81
7 85.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 14.8% Sardinian @ 8.87
8 72.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 27.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 9.03
9 67.4% Yemenite_Jewish + 32.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 9.11
10 91.1% Yemenite_Jewish + 8.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 9.34
11 90.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 9.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 9.44
12 73.8% Yemenite_Jewish + 26.2% Italian_Jewish @ 9.46
13 60.3% Yemenite_Jewish + 39.7% Jordanian @ 9.55
14 90.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 9.1% Hadza @ 9.66
15 91.5% Yemenite_Jewish + 8.5% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.83
16 79.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 20.8% South_Italian @ 9.85
17 88.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 11.3% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 9.89
18 79.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 20.8% East_Sicilian @ 9.91
19 75.1% Yemenite_Jewish + 24.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.93
20 88% Yemenite_Jewish + 12% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.96

[FilhoV]

His 23andMe results that he used for this Gedmatch

https://i.imgur.com/EcbqIgn.jpg

[Voskos]

interestinfg result, especially Dodecad K12B where he scores a total of 38% African.

[FilhoV]

I find it amazing how his 23 in the results don’t go hand-in-hand with his GED match results
Commercial tests are incorrect it seems

Phenotype wise he looks much more SSA than 1.8% his 23&me state.

[FilhoV]

WHAT. Closer to Sicily than to Morocco!!

Egyptians have a lot more east Mediterranean than Moroccans

[Petalpusher]

I find it amazing how his 23 in the results don’t go hand-in-hand with his GED match results
Commercial tests are incorrect it seems

Phenotype wise he looks much more SSA than 1.8% his 23&me state.

Because he scores 95% N.African, they are not going to give him the SSA two times, the N.African cluster is already ~20% SSA. The 1.8 he scores is likely much more recent SSA.

[FilhoV]

Because he scores 95% N.African, they are not going to give him the SSA two times, the N.African cluster is already ~20% SSA. The 1.8 he scores is likely much more recent SSA.

I understand that’s because I have a somewhat limited knowledge on genetics but to the average consumer they don’t know what genetics are all about it seems like these tests are promoting false advertisement because when someone sees who’s not into genetics 95% north African they automatically assume Caucasoid

[Petalpusher]

I understand that’s because I have a somewhat limited knowledge on genetics but to the average consumer they don’t know what genetics are all about it seems like these tests are promoting false advertisement because when someone sees who’s not into genetics 95% north African they automatically assume Caucasoid

The average consumer knows even less what ethnic goups are supposed to be made of (and likely don't care too much) as well as their ethnogenesis in the last 50-100ky, as discussed many times it's not a racial test, it just tries to tell you where your recent ancestry is from. Most of it comes from MENA and this is what it simply shows here.
Realistically they should define his ancestry as a basal Eurasian, SSA, some bits of proto Euro etc., etc.. it's way too complicated if they were showing like 20% SSA and the rest something European and west eurasian Caucasoid that wouldn't fit any modern population, it would confuse even more everybody that indeed doesn't posess intricate knowledge on paleo genetic.

To go deeper you have gedmatch that breaks down the ancestry in sometimes more racialized groups

[Leto]

The average consumer knows even less what ethnic goups are supposed to be made of (and likely don't care too much) as well as their ethnogenesis in the last 50-100ky, as discussed many times it's not a racial test, it just tries to tell you where your recent ancestry is from. Most of it comes from MENA and this is what it simply shows here.
Realistically they should define his ancestry as a basal Eurasian, SSA, some bits of proto Euro etc., etc.. it's way too complicated if they were showing like 20% SSA and the rest something European and west eurasian Caucasoid that wouldn't fit any modern population, it would confuse even more everybody that indeed doesn't posess intricate knowledge on paleo genetic.

To go deeper you have gedmatch that breaks down the ancestry in sometimes more racialized groups
It's okay though for a country like the US or Canada. An African American is mostly African on 23andme and a white American is mostly European. However, what I consider to be pretty bad is the fact that many people take these tests literally. For example my mom is 21% Finnish on FTDNA but I know for a fact she has no actual ancestry from Finland, she's just Northern Russian and not even particularly close to the Finns on GEDmatch. But many lay people would assume she must be mixed with Finns, hence not really Russian which is ridiculous.

[FilhoV]

It's okay though for a country like the US or Canada. An African American is mostly African on 23andme and a white American is mostly European. However, what I consider to be pretty bad is the fact that many people take these tests literally. For example my mom is 21% Finnish on FTDNA but I know for a fact she has no actual ancestry from Finland, she's just Northern Russian and not even particularly close to the Finns on GEDmatch. But many lay people would assume she must be mixed with Finns, hence not really Russian which is ridiculous.
My point exactly

Ancestry has me at 33% Italian but I know that’s BS

[Leto]

My point exactly

Ancestry has me at 33% Italian but I know that’s BS
Almost every Mexican that takes the test comes out part Italian, lol.

[Petalpusher]

Isn't NW Russia and Finland lumped together on their test? but yea Ancestry is terrible.

[AK-47]

When I get my 23andMe results, I can upload the raw data and get this info for free?

[Mingle]

When I get my 23andMe results, I can upload the raw data and get this info for free?

Yes.

[Leto]

Isn't NW Russia and Finland lumped together on their test? but yea Ancestry is terrible.
Yes, but I didn't take that test.