Slovenian GEDmatch Results

[Leto]

From Nazarje, Northern Slovenia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Karte_Nazarje_si.png
Y-DNA: I1-M253

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.77
2 North_Atlantic 27.17
3 West_Med 13.06
4 East_Med 10.57
5 West_Asian 7.99
6 South_Asian 1.7
7 Amerindian 1.58
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Oceanian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.23
2 Moldavian 4.82
3 Hungarian 6.59
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.81
5 South_Polish 7.39
6 Ukrainian 7.89
7 Serbian 10.19
8 East_German 10.64
9 Polish 10.67
10 Austrian 11.09
11 Southwest_Russian 11.26
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.53
13 Russian_Smolensk 12.77
14 Estonian_Polish 13.33
15 Romanian 13.79
16 Belorussian 13.92
17 Kargopol_Russian 15.74
18 Bulgarian 15.83
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.69
20 Erzya 17.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% Polish + 40.1% Bulgarian @ 1.67
2 69.9% Polish + 30.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.67
3 56.5% Polish + 43.5% Romanian @ 1.78
4 77.3% Polish + 22.7% South_Italian @ 1.8
5 75% Polish + 25% Central_Greek @ 1.82
6 57.1% Romanian + 42.9% Lithuanian @ 1.87
7 69.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.1% North_Italian @ 2
8 97.9% Croatian + 2.1% MA-1 @ 2.03
9 52% Russian_Smolensk + 48% Romanian @ 2.04
10 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.05
11 92.8% Croatian + 7.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.05
12 99.4% Croatian + 0.6% Karitiana @ 2.09
13 99.3% Croatian + 0.7% Pima @ 2.1
14 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Belorussian @ 2.11
15 99.4% Croatian + 0.6% Mayan @ 2.12
16 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.13
17 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.13
18 75.8% Polish + 24.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.13
19 99.3% Croatian + 0.7% North_Amerindian @ 2.14
20 64.2% Ukrainian + 35.8% Romanian @ 2.14


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 48.04
2 Atlantic_Med 26.39
3 Caucasus 16.64
4 Gedrosia 5.49
5 Southwest_Asian 1.71
6 South_Asian 0.98
7 Northwest_African 0.74
8 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.28
2 German (Dodecad) 8.88
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 15.75
4 Romanians (Behar) 15.96
5 Polish (Dodecad) 16.08
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 16.57
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 16.74
8 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.18
9 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.88
10 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 18.2
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.36
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 18.54
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 19.26
14 English (Dodecad) 19.51
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 19.52
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 20.28
17 French (Dodecad) 20.91
18 Argyll (1000Genomes) 21.32
19 French (HGDP) 21.33
20 Belorussian (Behar) 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 1.77
2 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 1.78
3 98% Hungarians (Behar) + 2% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 1.82
4 97.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.2% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.83
5 98% Hungarians (Behar) + 2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 1.85
6 98.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 1.87
7 98.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 1.88
8 98.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.7% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 1.88
9 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 1.89
10 97.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.7% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.89
11 98.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.7% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 1.9
12 98.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.7% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 1.9
13 98.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.5% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 1.91
14 98.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.7% Balochi (HGDP) @ 1.91
15 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% INS30 (SGVP) @ 1.91
16 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 1.92
17 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 1.92
18 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 1.92
19 98.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.6% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 1.92
20 98.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 1.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 1.94


MDLP World Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 41.7
2 North_and_East_European 41.62
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.99
4 Middle_East 4.23
5 Indian 0.94
6 Mesoamerican 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.42
2 Slovenian 4.02
3 Croatian 4.23
4 German 4.52
5 Czech 4.63
6 German_V 4.83
7 Croatian_V 4.86
8 Slovakian 5.24
9 German-North 5.32
10 Austrian 5.39
11 Bosnian 5.42
12 CEU_V 5.91
13 Norwegian_V 6.94
14 Latvian_V 7.64
15 Ukrainian-West 7.74
16 CEU 7.97
17 Swedish 8.04
18 Ukrainian_V 8.27
19 Welsh 8.3
20 British 8.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.2% German-North + 8.8% Kurd @ 0.78
2 90.8% German-North + 9.2% Azeri @ 0.99
3 91.4% German-North + 8.6% Jew-Uzbekistan @ 0.99
4 91.6% German-North + 8.4% Jew_Tat @ 1.02
5 91.5% German-North + 8.5% Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.08
6 91.4% Czech + 8.6% Chechen @ 1.1
7 91.5% German-North + 8.5% Iranian @ 1.11
8 91.8% German-North + 8.2% Jew_Kurd @ 1.13
9 78.4% Swedish_V + 21.6% Greek_Azov @ 1.13
10 91.4% Czech + 8.6% Georgian @ 1.14
11 91.8% Czech + 8.2% Lezgin @ 1.14
12 92.8% Czech + 7.2% Abhkasian @ 1.14
13 91.1% German-North + 8.9% Armenian @ 1.15
14 92.9% Czech + 7.1% Georgian_Imereti @ 1.19
15 91.8% Czech + 8.2% Lak @ 1.21
16 91% Czech + 9% Adygei @ 1.21
17 89.9% German-North + 10.1% Turk @ 1.23
18 91.8% Czech + 8.2% Avar @ 1.25
19 91.7% Czech + 8.3% Tabassaran @ 1.25
20 92% German-North + 8% Jew-Iran @ 1.26


MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 27.78
2 Caucasian 25.64
3 Neolithic 25.56
4 Steppe 20.08
5 Indian 0.73
6 Subsaharian 0.12
7 Ancestor 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croat (Croatia) 3.59
2 Hungarian (Hungary) 3.67
3 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.11
4 Hungarian (Budapest) 4.23
5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.32
6 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.36
7 Pole (EastPoland) 4.58
8 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.83
9 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.92
10 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.13
11 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 5.24
12 Czech (Czechia) 5.33
13 Dutch (Netherlands) 5.37
14 Sorb (Lusatia) 5.72
15 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.81
16 Pole (WestPoland) 5.85
17 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 5.88
18 German (Germany) 6.07
19 Austrian (Austria) 6.21
20 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 6.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 27.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.42
2 71.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 28.3% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.47
3 81.6% Pole (EastPoland) + 18.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.49
4 63.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 36.1% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2.53
5 81.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 18.2% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.55
6 79.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 20.6% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.57
7 92.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 7.6% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.63
8 82.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.5% Greek (Greece) @ 2.69
9 68.2% Pole (EastPoland) + 31.8% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 2.71
10 61.4% Croat (Croatia) + 38.6% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.75
11 54.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 45.1% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.76
12 52% Pole (EastPoland) + 48% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.76
13 94.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 5.9% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.8
14 93.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 6.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.82
15 82.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.2% Italian (Tuscany) @ 2.84
16 67.8% Croat (Croatia) + 32.2% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.87
17 66.2% Sorb (Lusatia) + 33.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.89
18 93.6% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 6.4% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.89
19 90.3% Sorb (Lusatia) + 9.7% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.91
20 52.9% Pole (EastPoland) + 47.1% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.91

[Jana]

Nothing suprising about these results.

[Leto]

Nothing suprising about these results.
No, but how many Slovenians have you seen on GM? They are extremely rare. So definitely worth posting.

[Leto]

They are not really Yugolsav genetically, in my opinion.

[Jana]

No, but how many Slovenians have you seen on GM? They are extremely rare. So definitely worth posting.

Not many. But I have seen fst distance table, and Croats are closest Slavs to Slovenes genetically (plus Hungarians and Austrians)

I don't know why does that suprise some people.

[Jana]

They are not really Yugolsav genetically, in my opinion.

what does that mean ?

Yugoslav strech from Slovenes to Kosovo Albanian ...they are south-central Europeans and Slavs with some celtic, illyrian and germanic influences.

[Leto]

what does that mean ?

Yugoslav strech from Slovenes to Kosovo Albanian ...they are south-central Europeans and Slavs with some celtic, illyrian and germanic influences.
Yugoslav = Serbo-Croat speakers. Albanians are not Slav at all.

[Jana]

Yugoslav = Serbo-Croat speakers. Albanians are not Slav at all.

Croats and Serbs aren't same at all genetically, so what's your point ? Yugoslav means nothing similar like Soviet.

I am far closer to Slovenes than to Serbs.

[Leto]

Croats and Serbs aren't same at all genetically, so what's your point ? Yugoslav means nothing similar like Soviet.

I am far closer to Slovenes than to Serbs.
Okay, nevermind. Anyway, the Slovenes are liguistically South Slavic, but genetically they are approaching the Slovaks. Very different from the Bulgarians.

[Jana]

Okay, nevermind. Anyway, the Slovenes are liguistically South Slavic, but genetically they are approaching the Slovaks. Very different from the Bulgarians.

Yes ofcourse, they are much closer to Slovaks than to Bulgarians.

South slavs are very heterogenous genetically.

[Hadouken]

nice east med and west asian ! we wuz slovenian

[Ylla]

I expected slovenes to have a Germanic shift, when I Was there I thought they looked like Austrians

[Kamal900]

Can we say that Slovenians are 1/4th Balkanic genetically? At least according to gedmatch K13 anyway. They don't seem to differ from other central Europeans genetically. Nothing unusual.

[Neon Knight]

I expected slovenes to have a Germanic shift, when I Was there I thought they looked like Austrians
Yeah. It is actually surprising that they are closer to Ukrainians than Austrians.

[Mingle]

Yeah. It is actually surprising that they are closer to Ukrainians than Austrians.

But they are genetically significantly closer to the generic 'German' sample there than they are to Ukrainians.

[Leto]

But they are genetically significantly closer to the generic 'German' sample there than they are to Ukrainians.
They are overwhelmingly Slavic genetically.

[Jana]

I expected slovenes to have a Germanic shift, when I Was there I thought they looked like Austrians

Because many Austrians are germanized Caranthanians (proto-Slovenes) rather than other way around (despite genetic exchange went both ways).

Eastern Austrians are genetically not different than Slovenes. It is western Austrians that differ and have little to none slavic influences.

Btw this person has typical Germanic ydna.

[Jana]

Can we say that Slovenians are 1/4th Balkanic genetically? At least according to gedmatch K13 anyway. They don't seem to differ from other central Europeans genetically. Nothing unusual.

Yes, ofcourse they are. Illyrians lived in Slovenia before Celtic and Slavic tribes.

Paleo-Balkan influences can go as far as southeastern Poland.

[Jack_vorobey]

What does this person look like? I imagine he's one of those dinaric-looking slovenes?

[Insuperable]

....

Odakle je ovaj Max_Soldo? Je li iz sjeverne Hrvatske kao ovaj Anđelko? Obojica su genetski sjevernije pozicionirani od ovoga Slovenca sto nema logike.
http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=1025055&page=31

[Lucas]

No, but how many Slovenians have you seen on GM? They are extremely rare. So definitely worth posting.

Not so rare if you know how to seek them:)
I have 15 from Gedmatch.

Also uploaded 13 from academic dataset. Three random of them in K13

First

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.37
2 North_Atlantic 30.22
3 West_Med 14.46
4 East_Med 13.36
5 West_Asian 7.65
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Oceanian 0.29
9 Amerindian 0.12
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.05
2 Serbian 5.34
3 Croatian 6.14
4 Moldavian 6.57
5 Austrian 7.67
6 East_German 8.87
7 Romanian 9.77
8 South_Polish 11.89
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.22
10 Bulgarian 12.36
11 Ukrainian 13.34
12 West_German 14.45
13 Polish 15.6
14 South_Dutch 15.89
15 Southwest_Russian 16.97
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.3
17 French 17.34
18 North_German 17.51
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.18
20 North_Swedish 18.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.2% South_Polish + 33.8% Tuscan @ 1.75
2 58.5% Hungarian + 41.5% Serbian @ 2.05
3 79.6% Serbian + 20.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.08
4 59.8% Polish + 40.2% Tuscan @ 2.24
5 70.7% Serbian + 29.3% South_Polish @ 2.26
6 78.3% Hungarian + 21.7% Bulgarian @ 2.27
7 82.3% Serbian + 17.7% Estonian @ 2.34
8 76.3% Serbian + 23.7% Polish @ 2.35
9 74.5% Hungarian + 25.5% Romanian @ 2.44
10 55% Belorussian + 45% Tuscan @ 2.49
11 86.5% Hungarian + 13.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.51
12 70.1% South_Polish + 29.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.52
13 79.8% Serbian + 20.2% North_Swedish @ 2.55
14 90.5% Hungarian + 9.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.59
15 93.2% Hungarian + 6.8% Cyprian @ 2.61
16 80.1% Serbian + 19.9% Belorussian @ 2.62
17 92.2% Hungarian + 7.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.62
18 94% Hungarian + 6% Samaritan @ 2.63
19 64.5% Serbian + 35.5% East_German @ 2.63
20 82.6% Serbian + 17.4% Finnish @ 2.64


Second

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.31
2 Baltic 33.21
3 West_Med 14.02
4 East_Med 8.17
5 West_Asian 7.41
6 Red_Sea 1.34
7 South_Asian 0.96
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Oceanian 0.44
10 Siberian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.05
2 East_German 4.26
3 Austrian 4.62
4 Croatian 6.12
5 Moldavian 8.4
6 South_Polish 8.84
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.87
8 Serbian 10.2
9 Ukrainian 10.93
10 Polish 12.41
11 West_German 12.88
12 North_German 13.96
13 North_Swedish 13.99
14 South_Dutch 13.99
15 Romanian 14.54
16 Southwest_Finnish 15
17 Southwest_Russian 15.17
18 Swedish 15.36
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.4
20 Russian_Smolensk 15.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Croatian + 26.3% North_Dutch @ 1.22
2 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% West_Scottish @ 1.23
3 75.3% Croatian + 24.7% Orcadian @ 1.24
4 52.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.3% French @ 1.26
5 73.4% Croatian + 26.6% Danish @ 1.27
6 74.8% Croatian + 25.2% Southeast_English @ 1.28
7 76.6% Croatian + 23.4% Southwest_English @ 1.29
8 76.3% Croatian + 23.7% Irish @ 1.32
9 57.5% Austrian + 42.5% Croatian @ 1.33
10 70% Croatian + 30% North_German @ 1.36
11 67.3% East_German + 32.7% Moldavian @ 1.39
12 69% Austrian + 31% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.42
13 59.7% East_German + 40.3% Croatian @ 1.44
14 71.4% Austrian + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 1.58
15 74.7% Croatian + 25.3% Norwegian @ 1.67
16 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.78
17 78% Austrian + 22% Southwest_Russian @ 1.81
18 60.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.93
19 70.5% Croatian + 29.5% South_Dutch @ 1.96
20 67.4% Austrian + 32.6% South_Polish @ 1.98


third

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.36
2 North_Atlantic 28.78
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 9.52
5 West_Asian 6.1
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Siberian 0.81
8 East_Asian 0.19
9 Sub-Saharan 0.11
10 Oceanian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.99
2 Moldavian 5.97
3 Hungarian 6.34
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.52
5 South_Polish 7.76
6 Ukrainian 8.46
7 East_German 9
8 Austrian 9.58
9 Serbian 10.1
10 Polish 11.03
11 Southwest_Russian 12.77
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.31
13 Russian_Smolensk 13.63
14 Estonian_Polish 14.03
15 Romanian 14.12
16 Belorussian 14.62
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.22
18 Bulgarian 16.31
19 Kargopol_Russian 16.76
20 West_German 17.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.9% Russian_Smolensk + 35.1% North_Italian @ 1.92
2 75.2% Ukrainian + 24.8% North_Italian @ 1.93
3 64.2% Estonian_Polish + 35.8% North_Italian @ 2
4 86.1% South_Polish + 13.9% Sardinian @ 2.07
5 56.9% Lithuanian + 43.1% North_Italian @ 2.08
6 77.3% Ukrainian + 22.7% Tuscan @ 2.36
7 72% Polish + 28% Tuscan @ 2.42
8 77.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.2% North_Italian @ 2.43
9 94.5% Croatian + 5.5% Southwest_French @ 2.55
10 96.2% Croatian + 3.8% French_Basque @ 2.56
11 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.64
12 63.4% Belorussian + 36.6% North_Italian @ 2.64
13 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.65
14 86.3% Croatian + 13.7% East_German @ 2.66
15 59.5% Lithuanian + 40.5% Tuscan @ 2.67
16 95.4% Croatian + 4.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.7
17 69.9% Polish + 30.1% North_Italian @ 2.7
18 95.2% Croatian + 4.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.71
19 95.6% Croatian + 4.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.71
20 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.71

[Jana]

Odakle je ovaj Max_Soldo? Je li iz sjeverne Hrvatske kao ovaj Anđelko? Obojica su genetski sjevernije pozicionirani od ovoga Slovenca sto nema logike.
http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=1025055&page=31

Ja mislim da je Max Soldo iz Dalmatinske Zagore ako se ne varam, J2b2 haplogrupa. Što se Anđelka tiče, mislim da je on atipičan čak i za Zagorca. Pa on je sjevernije pozicioniran od prosječnog Mađara.

[Insuperable]

Ja mislim da je Max Soldo iz Dalmatinske Zagore ako se ne varam, J2b2 haplogrupa. Što se Anđelka tiče, mislim da je on atipičan čak i za Zagorca. Pa on je sjevernije pozicioniran od prosječnog Mađara.

Soldo je stavio k15 umjesto k13 pa ne bi zapravo bio sjevernije pozicioniran, ali bi bili tu negdje. Ne znam koliko bi on bio tipican za Dalmatinsku Zagoru.

[Leto]

Not so rare if you know how to seek them:)
I have 15 from Gedmatch.

Maybe you could send them to me, couldn't you?

[Leto]

Because many Austrians are germanized Caranthanians (proto-Slovenes) rather than other way around (despite genetic exchange went both ways).

Eastern Austrians are genetically not different than Slovenes. It is western Austrians that differ and have little to none slavic influences.

Btw this person has typical Germanic ydna.
The ones posted by Lukasz are more Germanic than the OP.

[Lucas]

The ones posted by Lukasz are more Germanic than the OP.

Yes second example was very likely German admixed

[Leto]

@LukaszM, post the academic kit numbers please.

[Massagetae]

Slovenia > Croatia.

[Jana]

The ones posted by Lukasz are more Germanic than the OP.

Nothing strange, many Slovenes have german admix. I'm still sure austrians are more slavic, than slovenes germanic.

and celtic shouldn't be forgoten, mabye their nw admix is more keltic ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

this dude is pretty similar to me, but he's more slavic and less german shifted than i am. got germanic ydna just like me though

[Ayetooey]

Interesting results. Slovenes are very northern, and lack much Balkan admixture. This person has less med than me and less west Asian than me.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yeah. It is actually surprising that they are closer to Ukrainians than Austrians.

lol no way man. half slovenec here
http://oi66.tinypic.com/e86f07.jpg
http://oi68.tinypic.com/fwpz14.jpg

i don't have known german ancestors, only slovenians from upper carniola. some did have german family names though, but that's completely usual in slovenia for slavic speakers

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

this guy Leto posted is styrian if that matters. slovenia is small like fuck so likely regional differences are little to none

[Mingle]

lol no way man. half slovenec here
http://oi66.tinypic.com/e86f07.jpg
http://oi68.tinypic.com/fwpz14.jpg

i don't have known german ancestors, only slovenians from upper carniola. some did have german family names though, but that's completely usual in slovenia for slavic speakers

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say your Slovene ancestor came to Croatia 6 generations ago? If his family came from Slovenia 6 generations ago, that means they must have mixed with the Croats for 6 generations and he'd thus be mainly genetically Croat (in addition to already being culturally Croat). So do you think it makes sense to call him Slovene instead of Croat then? Is he seen as Slovene in Croatia?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say your Slovene ancestor came to Croatia 6 generations ago? If his family came from Slovenia 6 generations ago, that means they must have mixed with the Croats for 6 generations and he'd thus be mainly genetically Croat (in addition to already being culturally Croat). So do you think it makes sense to call him Slovene instead of Croat then? Is he seen as Slovene in Croatia?

my father is fully slovenian though, except serb ancestor from 18th century. there was big colony of slovenians in zagreb and they married each other, becoming culturally croat much later
all his ancestors are from north of ljubljana. he is seen as croat in croatia today

[Leto]

my father is fully slovenian though, except serb ancestor from 18th century. there was big colony of slovenians in zagreb and they married each other, becoming culturally croat much later
all his ancestors are from north of ljubljana. he is seen as croat in croatia today
I don't think there is much cultural difference between Slovenes and Croats. Extremely close to each other in all aspects.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't think there is much cultural difference between Slovenes and Croats. Extremely close to each other in all aspects.

yes. north croats are closer to slovenes than to southern croats in all aspects except they're different ethnic group

[Leto]

yes. north croats are closer to slovenes than to southern croats in all aspects except they're different ethnic group
Well, that's kind of political. They're different states with two different standard languages. Lombardians and Campanians are considered one nation - Italians, but they are even genetically more different from each other than Slovenes from Croats. However, they've been part of the same state for 150 years and have the same standard idiom.

[Ayetooey]

Well, that's kind of political. They're different states with two different standard languages. Lombardians and Campanians are considered one nation - Italians, but they are even genetically more different from each other than Slovenes from Croats. However, they've been part of the same state for 150 years and have the same standard idiom.

Not quite. North Croats speak kajkavian, very close to Slovenian, but nothing like Stokvakian, which they mainly speak in south Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc. He is right that North Croats are much closer to Slovenes in that sense.

[Leto]

Not quite. North Croats speak Kakvakian, very close to Slovenian, but nothing like Stokvakian, which they mainly speak in south Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc. He is right that North Croats are much closer to Slovenes in that sense.
What I mean is the standard languages. In Croatia it is Croatian (actually Serbo-Croatian) and in Slovenia it is Slovenian. Two different STANDARD languages.
Even on this forum Bosnians, Serbs and Croats interact with each other in Serbo-Croatian without trouble.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not quite. North Croats speak kajkavian, very close to Slovenian, but nothing like Stokvakian, which they mainly speak in south Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc. He is right that North Croats are much closer to Slovenes in that sense.

that's historically true, but not today. štokavski is standard in all croatia, but at home,street we speak regional dialects

[Leto]

that's historically true, but not today. štokavski is standard in all croatia, but at home,street we speak regional dialects
Do Serbs in Croatia have any linguistic differences? I'm under the impression the only difference is religion.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do Serbs in Croatia have any linguistic differences? I'm under the impression the only difference is religion.

very small. it's same language. but to be honest i didn't met many serbs from croatia

[Ayetooey]

Do Serbs in Croatia have any linguistic differences? I'm under the impression the only difference is religion.

Serbs from Croatia speak East-Herzegovinan dialect, which is also spoken by some inland Dalmatian Croats, and Croats in parts of Slavonia, it's very similar to West-Herzegovinian spoken by most Dalmatian Croats, interchangable, and most Serbs from Croatia know both. East-Herzegovinan in yellow, west in pink.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Shtokavian_subdialects1988_incl_Slovenia.png/800px-Shtokavian_subdialects1988_incl_Slovenia.png

[Mingle]

that's historically true, but not today. štokavski is standard in all croatia, but at home,street we speak regional dialectsDo any Kaykavian or Chakavian speakers care that their language/dialect has no recognition in Croatia and isn't taught in schools? Also, do you think all of Croatia will be speaking exclusively Shtokavian in the near future?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do any Kaykavian or Chakavian speakers care that their language/dialect has no recognition in Croatia and isn't taught in schools? Also, do you think all of Croatia will be speaking exclusively Shtokavian in the near future?

yeah it should be. i hope it won't, dialects are treasure that should be preserved. in bigger cities they are evaporating pretty fast, but in countryside they will remain

[Leto]

Do any Kaykavian or Chakavian speakers care that their language/dialect has no recognition in Croatia and isn't taught in schools? Also, do you think all of Croatia will be speaking exclusively Shtokavian in the near future?
You can't expect every dialect to become a standard language, that's ridiculous. The Russian language for example is very uniform, in Odessa (Ukraine), in Vitebsk (Belarus) and in Perm (Northern Urals) it is virtually the same, everyone would understand everything. The problem is that many if not most Russian speakers have a problem with the correct use of the language.

[Leto]

Serbs from Croatia speak East-Herzegovinan dialect, which is also spoken by some inland Dalmatian Croats, and Croats in parts of Slavonia, it's very similar to West-Herzegovinian spoken by most Dalmatian Croats, interchangable, and most Serbs from Croatia know both. East-Herzegovinan in yellow, west in pink.

Ok. But I guess you're an English speaker, are you? Why do you not seem to care much about being British? After all, you don't live in Croatia but England. You're still white and European, so you shouldn't have problems with assimilation.

[Mingle]

You can't expect every dialect to become a standard language, that's ridiculous. The Russian language for example is very uniform, in Odessa (Ukraine), in Vitebsk (Belarus) and in Perm (Northern Urals) it is virtually the same, I understand everything. The problem is that many if not most Russian speakers have a problem with the correct use of the language.

From what I understand, Kaykavian and Chakavian are distinct languages from Shtokavian like how Bulgarian and Serbian are distinct from each other.

[Ayetooey]

Ok. But I guess you're an English speaker, are you? Why do you not seem to care much about being British? After all, you don't live in Croatia but England. You're still white and European, so you shouldn't have problems with assimilation.

What does that have to do with anything? Why the personal attacks? I was just answering your question.

[Leto]

What does that have to do with anything? Why the personal attacks? I was just answering your question.
It's not an attack. Sorry, just skip it if you don't want.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

From what I understand, Kaykavian and Chakavian are distinct languages from Shtokavian like how Bulgarian and Serbian are distinct from each other.

they aren't separate languages, just separate dialects, but standard croatian is based on stokavian dialect

[Dick]

From what I understand, Kaykavian and Chakavian are distinct languages from Shtokavian like how Bulgarian and Serbian are distinct from each other.

Words can be the same but different meaning. For example in Dalmatia gache means pants by in Serbia gache means underwear

[Ayetooey]

It's not an attack. Sorry, just skip it if you don't want.

I am "fully integrated, thanks. I'd rather talk about the culture I don't experience as much, rather than "British culture" which I have to endure every day of my life, considering I live in Britain, at a university with 0 Serbs, and speak only to British people within my immediate location. I don't believe in full assimilation, being born in another country and forgetting your ancestors roots is pathetic.

[Leto]

From what I understand, Kaykavian and Chakavian are distinct languages from Shtokavian like how Bulgarian and Serbian are distinct from each other.
No way, Bulgarian is much more mutated. It lost cases for example and has some weird postpositional articles. As a practicing Orthodox believer I'm familiar with Church Slavonic (even if it is heavily Russified and mutated itself) and I can tell you that Bulgarian is extremely different, I barely understand it.

[Leto]

I am "fully integrated, thanks. I'd rather talk about the culture I don't experience as much, rather than "British culture" which I have to endure every day of my life, considering I live in Britain, at a university with 0 Serbs, and speak only to British people within my immediate location. I don't believe in full assimilation, being born in another country and forgetting your ancestors roots is pathetic.
Why pathetic? You are half British. Assimilation works well on a large scale only with groups that are already similar. You can't bring a bunch of Negroes, Muslims and other kinds of backassward folks hoping they'll become just like you in a while.
I think you, as many other whites, desperately want to find something 'exotic' in them. Being 'just' British or German is supposedly 'uncool' or 'boring'.

[nittionia]

My K16 is kinda similar:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% Sorb (Lusatia) + 20.8% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.95
2 83.3% Sorb (Lusatia) + 16.7% Basque (France) @ 2.02
3 78.9% Sorb (Lusatia) + 21.1% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.05
4 56.5% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 43.5% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.1
5 77% Pole (WestPoland) + 23% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.35
6 65.4% French (France) + 34.6% Latvian (Latvia) @ 2.36
7 66.1% French (France) + 33.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.41
8 76.6% Pole (WestPoland) + 23.4% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.48
9 68.2% Belarusian (Belarus) + 31.8% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.49
10 66.3% French (France) + 33.7% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.59
11 62% Belarusian (Belarus) + 38% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.63
12 69% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) + 31% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.64
13 66.9% French (France) + 33.1% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.64
14 88.9% Swede (Sweden) + 11.1% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.68
15 69.6% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) + 30.4% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.7
16 74.9% Sorb (Lusatia) + 25.1% Spanish (Cantabria) @ 2.74
17 58.9% English (Kent) + 41.1% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.76
18 78.6% Ukrainian (Ukraine) + 21.4% Basque (Spain) @ 2.77
19 78.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 21.6% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.77
20 52.3% Latvian (Latvia) + 47.7% Spanish (Cataluna) @ 2.78

[Ayetooey]

Why pathetic? You are half British. Assimilation works well on a large scale only with groups that are already similar. You can't bring a bunch of Negroes, Muslims and other kinds of backassward folks hoping they'll become just like you in a while.
I think you, as many other whites, desperately want to find something 'exotic' in them. Being 'just' British or German is supposedly 'uncool' or 'boring'.

But I'm not just British, my dad is fully Serb, and this is an ethnic forum, where we discuss ethnicity not nationality, so I'm not looking for anything exotic, are you blind? According to you, a random Russian off the interweb, I'm not allowed to take any pride in half of my ethnicity and culture?

[Leto]

But I'm not just British, my dad is fully Serb, and this is an ethnic forum, where we discuss ethnicity not nationality, so I'm not looking for anything exotic, are you blind? According to you, a random Russian off the interweb, I'm not allowed to take any pride in half of my ethnicity and culture?
No, I don't tell you what to do, was just curious. You can identify as you wish, not my business.

[Ayetooey]

No, I don't tell you what to do, was just curious. You can identify as you wish, not my business.

You've made it your business by attacking me, retarded troll. Attacking someone for identifying with half of their ethnicity on an ethnic forum, why are you even here?

[Leto]

You've made it your business by attacking me, retarded troll. Attacking someone for identifying with half of their ethnicity on an ethnic forum, why are you even here?
That wasn't an attack, please stop! I already got an answer from you.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

would you move to serbia if you could ?

[Ayetooey]

would you move to serbia if you could ?

No. I just enjoy talking about history and genetic related stuff. I don't have many people to talk to IRL about these topics.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No. I just enjoy talking about history and genetic related stuff. I don't have many people to talk to IRL about these topics.

same here

[Mingle]

No way, Bulgarian is much more mutated. It lost cases for example and has some weird postpositional articles. As a practicing Orthodox believer I'm familiar with Church Slavonic (even if it is heavily Russified and mutated itself) and I can tell you that Bulgarian is extremely different, I barely understand it.

Okay, maybe Bulgarian was a bit of a stretch, but Serbs and Croats have both told me in the past that they're separate languages, as opposed to just separate dialects. Although Nato has said that they're just dialects so maybe its a more complicated issue. Can Kaykavian really be called a dialect of Croatian if its closer to Standard Slovenian than to Standard Croatian?

[Leto]

Okay, maybe Bulgarian was a bit of a stretch, but Serbs and Croats have both told me in the past that they're separate languages, as opposed to just separate dialects. Although Nato has said that they're just dialects so maybe its a more complicated issue. Can Kaykavian really be called a dialect of Croatian if its closer to Standard Slovenian than to Standard Croatian?
It's often difficult to draw a line between what's a dialect and what's a separate language. I don't speak any South Slavic language, so I don't know. Only some general encyclopedic knowledge.

[Dick]

No. I just enjoy talking about history and genetic related stuff. I don't have many people to talk to IRL about these topics.


same here

#metoo

[Leto]

@Nato, you asked for K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.31
2 North_Sea 19.59
3 Atlantic 16.17
4 Eastern_Euro 14.59
5 West_Med 8.93
6 East_Med 7.58
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Amerindian 1.03
9 South_Asian 0.67
10 Red_Sea 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.88
2 Moldavian 4.76
3 Hungarian 5.84
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.24
5 South_Polish 6.5
6 Ukrainian 7.16
7 Austrian 8.24
8 Polish 9.28
9 Russian_Smolensk 9.86
10 Serbian 9.89
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.33
12 East_German 10.53
13 Southwest_Russian 10.73
14 Romanian 11.77
15 Belorussian 11.94
16 Estonian_Polish 12.25
17 Bulgarian 14.04
18 Estonian 14.14
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.44
20 Finnish 14.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69% South_Polish + 31% Bulgarian @ 1.78
2 77.6% South_Polish + 22.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.78
3 83.5% South_Polish + 16.5% South_Italian @ 1.79
4 78.5% South_Polish + 21.5% Greek @ 1.87
5 81.9% South_Polish + 18.1% Central_Greek @ 1.9
6 65.2% South_Polish + 34.8% Romanian @ 1.99
7 82.5% South_Polish + 17.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.09
8 67% Ukrainian + 33% Bulgarian @ 2.11
9 50.2% Bulgarian + 49.8% Estonian @ 2.2
10 62.9% Ukrainian + 37.1% Romanian @ 2.21
11 70.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.6% Bulgarian @ 2.22
12 70.6% Polish + 29.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.24
13 81.7% South_Polish + 18.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.26
14 87.2% South_Polish + 12.8% Cyprian @ 2.28
15 85.3% South_Polish + 14.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.32
16 66.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.4% Romanian @ 2.37
17 85.8% South_Polish + 14.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.38
18 79.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.3% Greek @ 2.4
19 56.6% Romanian + 43.4% Lithuanian @ 2.42
20 78.8% Croatian + 21.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.44


Hrvatska strong!

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Thanks bro! This one is quite Slavic, more eastern shifted than us from Upper Carniola. That make sense since Styria is Northeastern Slovenia and Upper Carniola Northwestern.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/5cawj5.jpg

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Iron Age Slovenes


Slovenia_EIA:I5689,0.132035,0.142174,0.050911,0.01 8411,0.046162,0.007809,0.00329,0.005077,0.00634,0. 006925,0.001786,0.001649,-0.00892,-0.002752,0.002172,0.004641,-0.002868,0.00038,-0.000754,0.003126,0.00025,0.002102,-0.000616,-0.008796,-0.000958
Slovenia_EIA:I5690,0.127482,0.135065,0.058454,0.02 6809,0.044624,0.006414,0.007285,0.013846,0.001432, 0.006378,0.002436,0.006744,-0.01219,-0.009221,0.007057,0.004906,-0.003651,0.003167,0.001634,-0.000375,-0.002995,0.006059,0.000123,0.007832,-0.003712
Slovenia_EIA:I5691,0.129758,0.146236,0.043369,0.00 6783,0.044008,-0.000837,-0.002585,-0.000231,0.012885,0.028429,0.002761,0.008243,-0.016501,-0.011423,0.002443,-0.001989,0.004433,0.00228,-0.002137,0.002001,0.000374,0.006925,-0.000616,0.001687,0.000239
Slovenia_EIA:I5692,0.125205,0.15436,0.033187,0,0.0 35083,-0.008646,-0.00188,0.001385,0.014521,0.030798,-0.004547,0.005245,-0.018583,-0.008808,-0.005972,-0.00305,0.002086,0.000887,0.00352,-0.007003,-0.001996,0.000989,-0.001602,-0.004699,-0.00479
Slovenia_EIA:I5693,0.129758,0.151314,0.049403,-0.000969,0.047393,-0.001673,0.002115,-0.001615,0.009408,0.033714,-0.00341,0.002997,-0.020069,0.001789,-0.000136,-0.00305,-0.014342,0.005321,0.004777,-0.00075,0.00549,0.01694,-0.002218,-0.002169,0.003473
Slovenia_EIA:I5696,0.12862,0.147252,0.039975,-0.008721,0.049855,-0.018686,-0.001175,-0.003,0.024134,0.041914,0.001786,0.014387,-0.026164,-0.011147,-0.0038,0.009944,0.007953,0.000253,0.007919,-0.008879,-0.000374,0.003339,-0.011339,-0.008073,0.003712
Slovenia_EIA:I5697,0.126344,0.139128,0.047517,0.02 5194,0.041546,0.004741,0.00094,0.002538,0.001432,0 .010205,-0.003897,0.007194,-0.014866,-0.012799,0.006786,0.012066,0.014342,-0.003547,0.002765,-0.005002,0.003868,0.002226,0.00419,-0.003253,-0.008023
Slovenia_EIA:I5698,0.12862,0.147252,0.052797,0.005 814,0.051086,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.004846,0.020248,0.027153,0.00341,0.0028 47,-0.004162,-0.016102,-0.004343,0.011668,0.021774,-0.00076,0.011187,0.003502,0.000499,0.007048,-0.001109,-0.010363,-0.002275

PCA

https://i.imgur.com/ZB8JMZ4.png

Info about male samples


I5689; 750-400 BC; Grofove njive; Slovenia_IA; I2a1b1a1b1a1a-Y3721>Y3670>L1229>Z2069>Z2059>Z2068>Y3672 (xY11521,Y10648,Y7243,FGC15111,Y13325,Y31802)
I5690; 750-400 BC; Grofove njive; Slovenia_IA; R1b1a1b1a1a2b1-U152>L2 (xS255,L196,Z49,FGC22500)
I5691; 787-544 BC; Kapiteljska njive, Novo mesto; Slovenia_IA; J2b2a1a1a-L283>Z622>Z600>Z2509>Z585>Z615>Z597 (xZ2507,FGC64029)
I5696; 401-208 BC; Obrežje; Slovenia_IA; R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a-L21>DF13>DF49>DF23>M222>DF85>S668>DF97 (xFGC19851,A1332)

The ethnic profile of pre-Slavic Slovenes looks North Italian though, not EIA Slovenian.


Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.7263% / 0.72633519 | R2P
68.9 South_Polish
31.1 Italian_Trentino

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.2992% / 0.29920387 | R3P
40.1 Polish_GreaterPoland
31.1 Italian_Veneto
28.8 South_Polish

[RogueState]

I was looking on Eurogenes K13 about Slovenians, and I was shocked how far they are to North Italians, distance of 27 !

On the closest population list, even Finns or Orcadians (Northern Islands of Scotland !) were closer to Slovenians than they direct neighbor 50 km away...

I am wondering now if it is the case of the highest genetical gap between neighbouring populations in Europe ?