The fallacy of DNA when used to identify someone's ethnicity

[aherne]

Some months ago, I've decided to do an ancestry.com DNA test to see what I'm made of. As far as I know, half of my ancestors were German speakers, while the other half were Romanian speakers. However, among my German speaking forebears some had Slovak surnames, while among Romanian forebears some had Hungarian or Greek surnames and one looked Gypsy admixed.

So in January I've finally ordered an Ancestry DNA test and now results have arrived.

AncestryDNA results:

Europe East: 41% (they pinpoint Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania)
Great Britain: 22% (WTF!!!)
Europe South: 15%
Caucasus: 5%
European Jewish: 5%
Iberian Peninsula: 5%
Europe West: 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia: < 1%
Middle East: < 1%
Asia South: < 1%

Finding results pretty absurd, I've decided to download my DNA and upload it to other sites for a second guess.

MyHeritage results:

Eastern European: 69,0%
- Balkans: 57,9%
- Broadly Eastern European: 11,1%
Southern European: 12,4%
- Iberian: 12,4% (!!!)
Northern and Western Europe: 7,3%
- Scandinavian: 7,3%
British Isles: 0%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 2,1%
West Asian: 8,2%
East Asian: 1,0%

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

[Kouros]

Nice results man, plan on doing GEDmatch any time soon?

[Wrong]

Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!
It's not, it's psuedo-science.

[Dragoon]

Correct me if im wrong...

a)Percentages from these tests can vary from your known ancestry, because of how much dna you get from each ancestor varies.
b)You may not know the exact details of who your grandparents ancestry were (they could be mixed).
c)These "ethnic" ancestry dna tests are far from being accurate. They are better at seperating continental, "racial" groups.
d)Each testing website can use different criteria for regional, ancestrial, cluster groups.
e)Its not really science or pseudo science... rather quasi science :)

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Everyone looks Jewish to me.

[Leto]

Show your GEDmatch results and we'll see. Ancestry is not very accurate in your case indeed.

[MercifulServant]

Cool results, Dont trust the european jewish or caucasus its just noise

[aherne]

Show your GEDmatch results and we'll see. Ancestry is not very accurate in your case indeed.

OK... Which one would you trust?

MDLP K16 :
Serbian_Serbia 2.934003
Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.119933
Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.486447
Moldavian_Molodva 3.650102
Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.675013
Montenegrian_Montenegro 3.727459
Romanian_Apuseni 3.852831
Croat_Croatia 4.174292
Austrian_Austria 5.217658
Romanian_Gorj 5.36755
Macedonian_Macedonia 5.91235
Slovenian_Slovenia 5.934282
Italian_Friul 6.489211
German_SouthGermany 6.558012
Swiss_Switzerland 6.767792
Bulgarian_Bulgaria 6.919811
Hungarian_Budapest 7.140243
Bulgarian_Bulgaria 7.227251
French_EastFrance 7.269889
Hungarian_Hungary 7.588099

MDLP K23B:
German-Volga_ 6.45425
Italian_North_ 7.267709
South_German_ 9.189939
Serb_Serbia_ 9.535735
Bulgarian_ 9.898164
Montenegrian_ 9.974197
Macedonian_ 11.028214
Irish_ 11.189871
Belgian_ 11.193378
Dutch_ 11.284018
Frisian_ 11.372464
English_ 11.492373
Austrian_ 11.761962
German_East_ 11.864394
Kosovar_ 13.002423
North_European_ 13.050632
English_Kent_GBR_ 13.083436
English_Cornwall_GBR_ 13.201774
Greek_Northwest_ 13.343715
Welsh_ 13.699927

:D

[Leto]

OK... Which one would you trust?

MDLP K16 :
Serbian_Serbia 2.934003
Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.119933
Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.486447
Moldavian_Molodva 3.650102
Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.675013
Montenegrian_Montenegro 3.727459
Romanian_Apuseni 3.852831
Croat_Croatia 4.174292
Austrian_Austria 5.217658
Romanian_Gorj 5.36755
Macedonian_Macedonia 5.91235
Slovenian_Slovenia 5.934282
Italian_Friul 6.489211
German_SouthGermany 6.558012
Swiss_Switzerland 6.767792
Bulgarian_Bulgaria 6.919811
Hungarian_Budapest 7.140243
Bulgarian_Bulgaria 7.227251
French_EastFrance 7.269889
Hungarian_Hungary 7.588099

MDLP K23B:
German-Volga_ 6.45425
Italian_North_ 7.267709
South_German_ 9.189939
Serb_Serbia_ 9.535735
Bulgarian_ 9.898164
Montenegrian_ 9.974197
Macedonian_ 11.028214
Irish_ 11.189871
Belgian_ 11.193378
Dutch_ 11.284018
Frisian_ 11.372464
English_ 11.492373
Austrian_ 11.761962
German_East_ 11.864394
Kosovar_ 13.002423
North_European_ 13.050632
English_Kent_GBR_ 13.083436
English_Cornwall_GBR_ 13.201774
Greek_Northwest_ 13.343715
Welsh_ 13.699927

:D
Post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b please.

[Dick]

MDLP K16 :
Serbian_Serbia 2.934003


:thumb001:

[aherne]

Post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b please.

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807

Dodecad K12b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 12.363100
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.034793
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.503826
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.542213
5 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.304138
6 German_Dodecad @ 16.366201
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.206444
8 French_Dodecad @ 17.413237
9 French_HGDP @ 17.570856
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 18.115234
11 North_Italian_HGDP @ 19.558912
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.066845
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.723948
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.583706
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.806709
16 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.972960
17 English_Dodecad @ 22.133614
18 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 23.308119
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.473982
20 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.544386

[Smeagol]

Exactly, physical anthropology is much more useful.

[catgeorge]

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807


Anything below Serbian and Romanian is noise as distances are too far

[Oneeye]

Clearly an Anglo Saxon man is in your line. We get around, globally.

[Leto]

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807

Dodecad K12b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 12.363100
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.034793
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.503826
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.542213
5 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.304138
6 German_Dodecad @ 16.366201
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.206444
8 French_Dodecad @ 17.413237
9 French_HGDP @ 17.570856
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 18.115234
11 North_Italian_HGDP @ 19.558912
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.066845
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.723948
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.583706
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.806709
16 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.972960
17 English_Dodecad @ 22.133614
18 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 23.308119
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.473982
20 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.544386
I mean the whole calculator results. Admixture.

[Petalpusher]

Your matches are not very tight, which is normal if you have different ancestries, it's usually more useful to look at multi pop fits and mixed mode in those cases.

[mike86]

Have you tried 24Genetics? They give lot of information about world regions, in my case, it was super accurate with the info that I already have. You can do it from 23andme or FTDNA raw data also. They still have the father´s day offer:

DADDY10: 10€ discount on 49€+ orders
BIGDADDY15: 15% Discount on 250€+ Orders (Smart Packs)

Hope it helps!

[Not a Cop]

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.

[Leto]

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.
He could at least post some calculator results. All he has posted so far is a couple of GEDmatch oracles without any admix results.

[aherne]

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean that it's wrong. You took the worst possible test and your knowledge of pop. genetics is very limited.

Speaking in anthro terms, you in genetics is like someone who count both baltids and nordids of the same type basing on pigmentation.

Ok, enlighten me of the "correct" test that fits the criteria of science:D

[Not a Cop]

Ok, enlighten me of the "correct" test that fits the criteria of science:D

You can start with posting or PMing me your gedmatch kit number.

[Lucas]

Have you tried 24Genetics? They give lot of information about world regions, in my case, it was super accurate with the info that I already have. You can do it from 23andme or FTDNA raw data also. They still have the father´s day offer:

DADDY10: 10€ discount on 49€+ orders
BIGDADDY15: 15% Discount on 250€+ Orders (Smart Packs)

Hope it helps!

Hahah Peterski sockpuppet:) You make account on The Apricity just to tell it in this thread:)?

[Sp_loa]

Phenotype almost never tells the whole story. DNA isn't accurate but it still might say something.
I have relatives that are Alpine-Gorid or very few who are even Nordids, and we are Jews, meaning we do have Levantine to some extent. Logan Lerman is Ashkenazi (meaning that it is reasonable to think that he will score 50% Samaritan+50% Tuscan on gedmatch) and still.... He looks 100% NW European. So.... you can never know by look.

[Norb]

aherne post GEDmatch admix please

[Norb]

Some months ago, I've decided to do an ancestry.com DNA test to see what I'm made of. As far as I know, half of my ancestors were German speakers, while the other half were Romanian speakers. However, among my German speaking forebears some had Slovak surnames, while among Romanian forebears some had Hungarian or Greek surnames and one looked Gypsy admixed.

So in January I've finally ordered an Ancestry DNA test and now results have arrived.

AncestryDNA results:

Europe East: 41% (they pinpoint Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania)
Great Britain: 22% (WTF!!!)
Europe South: 15%
Caucasus: 5%
European Jewish: 5%
Iberian Peninsula: 5%
Europe West: 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia: < 1%
Middle East: < 1%
Asia South: < 1%

Finding results pretty absurd, I've decided to download my DNA and upload it to other sites for a second guess.

MyHeritage results:

Eastern European: 69,0%
- Balkans: 57,9%
- Broadly Eastern European: 11,1%
Southern European: 12,4%
- Iberian: 12,4% (!!!)
Northern and Western Europe: 7,3%
- Scandinavian: 7,3%
British Isles: 0%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 2,1%
West Asian: 8,2%
East Asian: 1,0%

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

aherne post GEDmatch admix please

[Lemgrant]

you are posting irrelevant stuff because you are mixed. Show us complete gedmatch results with admixture oracles. Also 23andme is the only serious company with detailed results now. They have no problem pinpointing Romania and Germany in your case.
https://www.23andme.com/publications/for-scientists/

[Voskos]

Wait till full genome sequencing becomes affordable.If that happens Youre gonna see some Greeks scoring up to 60% mena and north europeans up to 30% mongoloid.

[JosephK]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... this stuff only works if you're relatively, or largely "ethnically pure."

It is true that if you don't know something about your heritage, or if you're 'mixed'; there's no way any of this will help.

Neither 23andMe nor Ancestry can tell that my wife is 1/4 Southern Italian.

[Norb]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... this stuff only works if you're relatively, or largely "ethnically pure."

It is true that if you don't know something about your heritage, or if you're 'mixed'; there's no way any of this will help.

Neither 23andMe nor Ancestry can tell that my wife is 1/4 Southern Italian.

I didn't have any understanding of my ancestry before I took a test, and all I know now is that I am a certain % of a Country, but I think that is more to do with 23andme not being able to break down my 20% 'broadly' NW Euro and 66% British and Irish..

[Lemgrant]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... this stuff only works if you're relatively, or largely "ethnically pure."

It is true that if you don't know something about your heritage, or if you're 'mixed'; there's no way any of this will help.

Neither 23andMe nor Ancestry can tell that my wife is 1/4 Southern Italian.

That's a lot. She has many Italian matches on gedmatch or 23andme?

[Westbrook]

I've never done one of these tests for various reasons, but it would be somewhat entertaining to see what they come up with for me and how it matches up with what I already know from actual ancestry records my family and I have collected over the years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... this stuff only works if you're relatively, or largely "ethnically pure."

It is true that if you don't know something about your heritage, or if you're 'mixed'; there's no way any of this will help.

Neither 23andMe nor Ancestry can tell that my wife is 1/4 Southern Italian.

[Zmey Gorynych]

aherne post GEDmatch admix please
He wont, he's not happy with the result (not german enough). By the looks of it he plots west of balkanites and south of germans-austrians or in other word just west of serbs.

[GreentheViper]

They’re always improving their reference populations and methods of delivering your results. I don’t think testing from commercial companies will ever be “perfect”, but it sure as hell helps get a clearer picture with records.

[Scandal]

He wont, he's not happy with the result (not german enough). By the looks of it he plots west of balkanites and south of germans-austrians or in other word just west of serbs.

hmm, perhaps German minority of Romania mixed with Romanians(or even with hungarians)? Wouldn't be surprising given they've spent 700 years in Transylvania.

[Zmey Gorynych]

hmm, perhaps German minority of Romania mixed with Romanians(or even with hungarians)? Wouldn't be surprising given they've spent 700 years in Transylvania.
or family stories are not accurate

[El_Abominacion]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... this stuff only works if you're relatively, or largely "ethnically pure."

It is true that if you don't know something about your heritage, or if you're 'mixed'; there's no way any of this will help.

Neither 23andMe nor Ancestry can tell that my wife is 1/4 Southern Italian.

As a heavily mixed person I found 23andMe at least to be quite accurate based on my known ancestry

[JosephK]

As a heavily mixed person I found 23andMe at least to be quite accurate based on my known ancestry

Looks accurate, but then again it's very generalized. As 23andme results have, in fact, "generalized" they have become more accurate... more accurate, less precise.

[Aspirin]

Eurogenes K13
Serbian 6.364151
Romanian 7.703753
Bulgarian 10.653673
Moldavian 11.331934
Hungarian 11.594993
Austrian 12.808122
Croatian 13.57568
East_German 15.068576
West_German 16.563581
North_Italian 17.023569
French 17.171921
South_Dutch 18.17486
Greek_Thessaly 18.36467
Portuguese 19.950708
Tuscan 20.014435
Spanish_Galicia 20.038834
Ukrainian_Lviv 20.71117
Spanish_Cataluna 20.854227
South_Polish 21.159929
Spanish_Extremadura 21.239807

Dodecad K12b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 12.363100
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.034793
3 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.503826
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.542213
5 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.304138
6 German_Dodecad @ 16.366201
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.206444
8 French_Dodecad @ 17.413237
9 French_HGDP @ 17.570856
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 18.115234
11 North_Italian_HGDP @ 19.558912
12 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.066845
13 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.723948
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 21.583706
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 21.806709
16 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 21.972960
17 English_Dodecad @ 22.133614
18 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 23.308119
19 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.473982
20 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.544386

Post your entire Gedmatch results please.

[Leto]

Post your entire Gedmatch results please.
Yep, it's been two and a half years and we still haven't seen his admixture proportions :)

[aherne]

Yep, it's been two and a half years and we still haven't seen his admixture proportions :)

I don't even bother. They are worthless...:) My original point stands: it's pseudoscience (everyone give wildly different interpretations of same data). Exactly like horoscope

[Leto]

I don't even bother. They are worthless...:) My original point stands: it's pseudoscience (everyone give wildly different interpretations of same data). Exactly like horoscope
Alright, that is your opinion, I got it. But can you do that for us? We are interested to see that regardless of what you think. Especially given that Ion Basescul runs a project collecting Romanian results from different regions, so pretty much every sample matters.

[EternalYouth]

Michael Jackson is the ultimate proof one does not always look like what their DNA says they are.

[J. Ketch]

I don't even bother. They are worthless...:) My original point stands: it's pseudoscience (everyone give wildly different interpretations of same data). Exactly like horoscope
Pseudoscience that accurately predicts what part of Europe one (who isn't mixed) comes from, every time. Anthropology can only accurately predict someone's origins on a very broad racial level.

[Leto]

Armchair "classifications" are pure bullshit most of the time. A bunch of trolls taking the piss out of other people's ethnicities.
There are so many factors that can influence the phenotype.

[JamesBond007]

Some months ago, I've decided to do an ancestry.com DNA test to see what I'm made of. As far as I know, half of my ancestors were German speakers, while the other half were Romanian speakers. However, among my German speaking forebears some had Slovak surnames, while among Romanian forebears some had Hungarian or Greek surnames and one looked Gypsy admixed.

So in January I've finally ordered an Ancestry DNA test and now results have arrived.

AncestryDNA results:

Europe East: 41% (they pinpoint Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania)
Great Britain: 22% (WTF!!!)
Europe South: 15%
Caucasus: 5%
European Jewish: 5%
Iberian Peninsula: 5%
Europe West: 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia: < 1%
Middle East: < 1%
Asia South: < 1%

Finding results pretty absurd, I've decided to download my DNA and upload it to other sites for a second guess.

MyHeritage results:

Eastern European: 69,0%
- Balkans: 57,9%
- Broadly Eastern European: 11,1%
Southern European: 12,4%
- Iberian: 12,4% (!!!)
Northern and Western Europe: 7,3%
- Scandinavian: 7,3%
British Isles: 0%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 2,1%
West Asian: 8,2%
East Asian: 1,0%

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

It's not a fallacy you are just an idiot for trusting AncestryDNA and MyHeritage to tell you the truth and that is retarded. Here is what MyTrueAncestry.com has to say on AncestryDNA, LivingDNA, 23andme etc.. etc..


Unlike other companies which try to cater to target audiences pre-conceptions about their identity, MyTrueAncestry focuses in accurately determing one's closest match based on tens of thousands of data samples.

So what is one to do ? One has to use advanced reasoning skills. AncestryDNA says I'm mostly Irish and Scottish probably because they know I have an 'Irish name' and they think I'm expecting to get back those kind of results. Yeah, it's that bad. Also, Americans like to hear they are certain ethnicities over others so that skews the results as well. I dunno, maybe if you do paperwork on your ancestry via their database they calibrate it towards that but that is not real science.

So what to do ? You need to use sophisticated critical thinking skills. First : trust in high Ashkenazi Jewish intelligence combined with high Asian intelligence . Normally most Ashkenazi Jews would be opposed to this sort of thing out of political correctness but since ones native ancestry can be used to gauge various risks for different diseases they slipped up and let the cat out of the bag :

https://nypost.com/2012/10/21/new-dna-database-helps-nyers-find-out-where-theyre-really-from/

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

So that maps me to Chiddingfold England to within about 500 KMS of accuracy.

Then I compared it to this :

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm

Maps me just East of Chiddingfold England around East Anglia accurate to within 400 KMS


Now what ? Well remember MyTrueAncestry.com ? Let us see how they stack up given their claims about how shitty other commercial services are :

1. Southwest_English (4.229)
2. Southeast_English (4.317)
3. North_Dutch (4.418)
4. Danish (4.780)
5. West_Scottish (4.970)
6. Irish (5.036)
7. Orcadian (5.145)
8. North_German (6.157)

^ not bad at all and and Eurogenes K15 pretty much agrees and no MyTrueAncestry does not use Eurogenes K15 despite popular belief it just so happens that Eurogenes K15 and K13 are really good calculators (one or the other will be better for you depending your ancestry and the sample sizes e.g. genoplot, DNAGenics and vahaduo have larger sample sizes available).

So is this confirmation bias ? Maybe, slightly because I would rather be of British origin than Irish but really this all hinges on the validity of superior Ashkenazi and Jewish intelligence. Also, my intelligence plays a role too I know that I am Irish or Scottish, English and German on paper and I know for a fact that mix would approximate middle England more or less.

[Leto]

Those Ancestry results are totally outdated by now. They are from early 2018.

[JamesBond007]

The real problem with DNA for ancestry or ethnicity is most people can't handle the truth :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.

[JamesBond007]

Those Ancestry results are totally outdated by now. They are from early 2018.

AncestryDNA is trash because the customer is always right and most of the customers want to be lied to so it fits their preconceived false notion of 'who they are'.

[aherne]

I am very mixed and that's one thing I cannot deny: Romanian, German, Slovak, Gypsy, Greek, Hungarian. So probably a very difficult case... Anyway: using Y-DNA and MT-DNA to guess one's affiliation is same as racial anthropology.

Presence of a phenotype such as "Nordid" only proves at least one of someone's ancestors was "Indo-European". The more you have it unmixed with other elements, the more it occurs among your immediate ancestors, the more likely it is for most of your ancestry originating in the steppes. This is probabilistic science...

Presence of R1b-M269 or R1a Y-DNA haplogroups proves at least one of someone's ancestors was Aryan. The more immediate ancestors you have belonging to these haplogroups, the higher Aryan admixture is likely to be. To make things even more difficult, they tell nothing about your MATERNAL ancestry not to mention that both occurred in other unrelated populations.

So, if personal DNA studies would include not just you but also your grand-parents at least, the lower randomness would be! Same for racial anthropology: you may be a Corded but if your immediate ancestors are all Baltids probability is that Aryan is a secondary component in your ancestry.

Truth is that, apart of ancestors we can scientifically prove existence of (by building a family tree), we will never know our ancestry with any accuracy. Just like convergent evolution can make unrelated populations look similar due to same environmental constraints, so there is something called "drift" in genetics, causing haplogroups distribution in European antiquity to be drastically different from that among modern Europeans in absence of any major migration.

[Leto]

Okay, so you're a dick who can't even do other people a favor.

[Dušan]

Yep, it's been two and a half years and we still haven't seen his admixture proportions :)



I dont understand people who are ashamed on their autosomal results.

[aherne]

Post your entire Gedmatch results please.

OK. My astrological sign is pending:

https://www.gedmatch.com/AdmixtureHeritage.php

Which is the ultimate check you guys believe into?

[Cristiano viejo]

Aherne, the ultimate Romanian Aryan.

[Celine]

Everyone looks Jewish to me.


;)

[vbnetkhio]

OK. My astrological sign is pending:

https://www.gedmatch.com/AdmixtureHeritage.php

Which is the ultimate check you guys believe into?

i can tell you are Balkanian because your NA and Baltic add up to ~50 and they aren't too far from each other (28 -24)
that can also appear in Italian/Greek + East Euro mixed individuals, but that's what Balkanians are, pretty much.

also, your NA is higher than Baltic, and West med significantly higher than East med, which means at least some West Euro ancestry.
i can't tell it's recent German ancestry though, it could also be some ancient, pre-Slavic west shift.

the same goes for MDLP K11, your WHG is higher than EHG.

k15 and k36 are similar to these, but try to break down West and East Eruope into smaller regions.
other calcs don't differentiate West from East Europe and aren't that useful for Europeans.

this is stuff that's obvious just from looking at the results. now let's try some calculations on your results:

since you know you are mostly a 50/50 mix of 2 ethnicities, let' check your 50/50 model first:


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % Macedonian_Central" "4.5"
[2,] "50% % Bulgaria_Northcentral + 50% % Swiss_French" "4.7001"
[3,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % Moldova_South_Gagauzia" "4.7051"
[4,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % Macedonian_Southeast" "4.7083"
[5,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % Bulgaria_Southeastern" "4.7261"
[6,] "50% % Pomak + 50% % Swiss_German" "4.9756"
[7,] "50% % FRA_Alsace + 50% % Pomak" "5.1771"
[8,] "50% % Bulgaria_Southcentral + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.2458"
[9,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % Macedonian_North" "5.2652"
[10,] "50% % Macedonian_Central + 50% % Swiss_German" "5.2883"
[11,] "50% % East_German + 50% % Greek_Eastern-Macedonia" "5.2898"
[12,] "50% % Lazio + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "5.3731"
[13,] "50% % Bulgaria_average + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.3955"
[14,] "50% % Albanian_north_Albania + 50% % East_German" "5.4224"
[15,] "50% % Marche + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "5.4273"
[16,] "50% % Albanian_Kosovo + 50% % Austrian" "5.4599"
[17,] "50% % Albanian_Kosovo + 50% % Croat_Croatia_Zagorje" "5.4683"
[18,] "50% % Bulgaria_Northeastern + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.4853"
[19,] "50% % Bosniak_Bosnia_proper + 50% % Veneto" "5.4886"
[20,] "50% % Moldova_South_Gagauzia + 50% % Swiss_German" "5.4895"
[21,] "50% % Bulgaria_Northwestern + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.5025"
[22,] "50% % Romania_Dobruja + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.5051"
[23,] "50% % Croat_B&H_Herzegovina + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.5842"
[24,] "50% % Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 50% % Slovak" "5.5844"
[25,] "50% % East_German + 50% % Torbesh" "5.611"
[26,] "50% % Czech + 50% % Tuscany" "5.6244"
[27,] "50% % Moldova_Centre + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.6404"
[28,] "50% % Romania_Muntenia + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.6494"
[29,] "50% % Albanian_Montenegro + 50% % East_German" "5.6514"
[30,] "50% % Moldova_South + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.6574"
[31,] "50% % German_east + 50% % Greek_Western-Thrace" "5.6806"
[32,] "50% % Austrian + 50% % MMacedonian" "5.6962"
[33,] "50% % FRA_Alsace + 50% % Macedonian_Central" "5.7079"
[34,] "50% % FRA_Belgica + 50% % Macedonian_Greece" "5.7228"
[35,] "50% % Lazio + 50% % South_Polish" "5.7483"
[36,] "50% % Albanian + 50% % East_German" "5.7987"
[37,] "50% % German_east + 50% % Greek_West" "5.837"
[38,] "50% % Croat_Croatia_Zagorje + 50% % Macedonian_Southeast" "5.8605"
[39,] "50% % Hungarian_Transylvania + 50% % Montenegrin" "5.8689"
[40,] "50% % Bulgaria_Southeastern + 50% % Swiss_German" "5.9036"
[41,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Umbria" "5.9089"
[42,] "50% % Bosniak_Sarajevo + 50% % Swiss_French" "5.9154"
[43,] "50% % Bosniak_Sandzak + 50% % Hungarian_Transylvania" "5.9193"
[44,] "50% % Croat_Slavonia + 50% % Friuli-VG" "5.9198"
[45,] "50% % FRA_Alsace + 50% % Moldova_South_Gagauzia" "5.9214"
[46,] "50% % Friuli-VG + 50% % Moldova_North" "5.9343"
[47,] "50% % Albanian_Macedonia + 50% % East_German" "5.9441"
[48,] "50% % Pomak + 50% % Swiss_German2" "5.9649"
[49,] "50% % German_east + 50% % Romagna" "5.9654"
[50,] "50% % Macedonian_Southeast + 50% % Slovenian" "5.9879"


your closest models (4% distance) are a combination of Swiss/Austrian + Macedonian/Bulgarian/Gagauz.
these obviously represent your German and Romanian sides, and that's nothing weird, each ethnicity reaches well into their neighbouring nations clusters.

now the single distances and the 2-way oracle:

[1,] "Romania_Crisana" "6.478"
[2,] "Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia" "6.9141"
[3,] "Hungarian_Szekely" "7.1054"
[4,] "Montenegrin" "7.1255"
[5,] "Romania_Transylvania" "7.1472"
[6,] "Hungarian_Eastern" "7.2013"
[7,] "Hungarian_Transylvania" "7.2553"
[8,] "Romania_Moldavia_South" "7.3066"
[9,] "Serb_Croatia" "7.4084"
[10,] "Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija" "7.5697"
[11,] "Serb_Croatia_Lika" "7.7103"
[12,] "Hungarian_Csango" "7.7375"
[13,] "Bosniak_Sandzak" "7.7694"
[14,] "Romania_Oltenia" "7.8008"
[15,] "Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina" "7.9262"
[16,] "Serb" "7.9581"
[17,] "Romania_average" "8.0053"
[18,] "Serb_Serbia_West&Central" "8.0448"
[19,] "Serb_Serbia" "8.065"
[20,] "Romania_Maramures" "8.3651"
[21,] "Serb_B&H_Krajina" "8.43"
[22,] "Serb_B&H" "8.4826"
[23,] "Romania_Wallachia" "8.715"
[24,] "Macedonian_Northwest" "8.788"
[25,] "Serb_Serbia_South&East" "8.8097"
[26,] "Romania_Banat" "8.8396"
[27,] "Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper" "8.8735"
[28,] "Bulgaria_Southwestern" "8.8907"
[29,] "Bosniak" "8.9012"
[30,] "Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia" "9.0755"
[31,] "Moldova_average" "9.0764"
[32,] "Serb_B&H_Herzegovina" "9.1213"
[33,] "Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia" "9.1355"
[34,] "Romania_Moldavia_North" "9.2307"
[35,] "Moldova_South" "9.3961"
[36,] "Moldova_Centre" "9.6329"
[37,] "Romania_Muntenia" "9.6857"
[38,] "Croat_B&H" "9.897"
[39,] "Bulgaria_Northwestern" "9.9897"
[40,] "Romania_Dobruja" "10.0733"
[41,] "Croat_B&H_Bosnia" "10.0762"
[42,] "Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj" "10.1407"
[43,] "Bulgaria_average" "10.1945"
[44,] "Bosniak_Sarajevo" "10.2604"
[45,] "Bulgaria_Northeastern" "10.3285"
[46,] "Croat" "10.6653"
[47,] "Moldova_North" "10.7832"
[48,] "Croat_Croatia" "10.7926"
[49,] "Croat_B&H_Herzegovina" "10.794"
[50,] "Bulgaria_Northcentral" "10.8708"



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "74.6 % Moldova_South + 25.4 % Welsh" "3.1499"
[2,] "67.9 % Macedonian_Central + 32.1 % Welsh" "3.1846"
[3,] "78.7 % Romania_Oltenia + 21.3 % Welsh" "3.3769"
[4,] "76.4 % Romania_Wallachia + 23.6 % Welsh" "3.3957"
[5,] "31 % Irish + 69 % Macedonian_Central" "3.4378"
[6,] "74.2 % Romania_Muntenia + 25.8 % Welsh" "3.4792"
[7,] "76.2 % Romania_Banat + 23.8 % Welsh" "3.4976"
[8,] "76.1 % Bulgaria_Southwestern + 23.9 % Welsh" "3.5591"
[9,] "68.2 % Moldova_South_Gagauzia + 31.8 % Welsh" "3.5884"
[10,] "30.4 % Irish_Munster + 69.6 % Macedonian_Central" "3.6302"
[11,] "38.8 % German_West + 61.2 % Macedonian_Central" "3.6371"
[12,] "51.6 % East_German + 48.4 % Greek_Eastern-Macedonia" "3.6567"
[13,] "69.4 % Macedonian_Central + 30.6 % Scottish" "3.6572"
[14,] "66.9 % Pomak + 33.1 % Welsh" "3.6619"
[15,] "33.3 % English + 66.7 % Macedonian_Central" "3.6631"
[16,] "32.8 % English_North + 67.2 % Macedonian_Central" "3.6725"
[17,] "73.2 % Bulgaria_average + 26.8 % Welsh" "3.6775"
[18,] "78.5 % Romania_average + 21.5 % Welsh" "3.6777"
[19,] "34.7 % English_Southeast + 65.3 % Macedonian_Central" "3.6837"
[20,] "69.8 % Macedonian_Central + 30.2 % West_Scottish" "3.7103"
[21,] "79.2 % Bosniak_Sandzak + 20.8 % Welsh" "3.7245"
[22,] "73.5 % Romania_Dobruja + 26.5 % Welsh" "3.7429"
[23,] "68.4 % Macedonian_Central + 31.6 % Orcadian" "3.7529"
[24,] "69.3 % Macedonian_Central + 30.7 % Norwegian" "3.7892"
[25,] "81 % Romania_Transylvania + 19 % Welsh" "3.7915"
[26,] "33.1 % English_Midlands + 66.9 % Macedonian_Central" "3.8193"
[27,] "65 % Macedonian_Central + 35 % North_German" "3.8255"
[28,] "34.2 % AostaValley + 65.8 % Serb_B&H_Krajina" "3.8296"
[29,] "81.2 % Montenegrin + 18.8 % Welsh" "3.8297"
[30,] "68.6 % Macedonian_Central + 31.4 % North-Dutch" "3.8384"
[31,] "27.3 % English_Southeast + 72.7 % Moldova_South" "3.8442"
[32,] "71.8 % Bulgaria_Northcentral + 28.2 % Welsh" "3.8455"
[33,] "76.6 % Macedonian_Northwest + 23.4 % Welsh" "3.8547"
[34,] "31.1 % Denmark + 68.9 % Macedonian_Central" "3.857"
[35,] "27.6 % FRA_Armorica + 72.4 % Moldova_South" "3.8583"
[36,] "75.5 % Moldova_South + 24.5 % Southwest_English" "3.8703"
[37,] "45.7 % German_east + 54.3 % Greek_Eastern-Macedonia" "3.8766"
[38,] "37.9 % AostaValley + 62.1 % Moldova_Centre" "3.8816"
[39,] "60.9 % Macedonian_Greece + 39.1 % Welsh" "3.8833"
[40,] "35 % FRA_Armorica + 65 % Macedonian_Central" "3.8912"
[41,] "36.2 % AostaValley + 63.8 % Moldova_average" "3.9052"
[42,] "62.3 % Romania_Moldavia_South + 37.7 % Swiss_French" "3.9116"
[43,] "69.2 % Macedonian_Central + 30.8 % Sweden_Götaland" "3.923"
[44,] "68.6 % Macedonian_Central + 31.4 % Southwest_English" "3.9236"
[45,] "69.4 % Macedonian_Central + 30.6 % Norway_South_Central" "3.9267"
[46,] "23.5 % Irish_Munster + 76.5 % Moldova_South" "3.9303"
[47,] "71.2 % Bulgaria_Southcentral + 28.8 % Welsh" "3.9339"
[48,] "23.9 % Irish + 76.1 % Moldova_South" "3.9372"
[49,] "80.8 % Romania_Moldavia_South + 19.2 % Welsh" "3.9517"
[50,] "59.4 % Romania_average + 40.6 % Swiss_French" "3.9575"

in the last model you get 59.4 % Romania_average + 40.6 % Swiss_French , with only 3.9 distance.
that could be more realistic. the distance is a bit smaller, and the Germans in Romania mixed a little bit with Romanians, so you are closer to 60% Romanian than 50.

[Norb]

I am very mixed and that's one thing I cannot deny: Romanian, German, Slovak, Gypsy, Greek, Hungarian. So probably a very difficult case... Anyway: using Y-DNA and MT-DNA to guess one's affiliation is same as racial anthropology.

Presence of a phenotype such as "Nordid" only proves at least one of someone's ancestors was "Indo-European". The more you have it unmixed with other elements, the more it occurs among your immediate ancestors, the more likely it is for most of your ancestry originating in the steppes. This is probabilistic science...

Presence of R1b-M269 or R1a Y-DNA haplogroups proves at least one of someone's ancestors was Aryan. The more immediate ancestors you have belonging to these haplogroups, the higher Aryan admixture is likely to be. To make things even more difficult, they tell nothing about your MATERNAL ancestry not to mention that both occurred in other unrelated populations.

So, if personal DNA studies would include not just you but also your grand-parents at least, the lower randomness would be! Same for racial anthropology: you may be a Corded but if your immediate ancestors are all Baltids probability is that Aryan is a secondary component in your ancestry.

Truth is that, apart of ancestors we can scientifically prove existence of (by building a family tree), we will never know our ancestry with any accuracy. Just like convergent evolution can make unrelated populations look similar due to same environmental constraints, so there is something called "drift" in genetics, causing haplogroups distribution in European antiquity to be drastically different from that among modern Europeans in absence of any major migration.

your Gypsy! I didn't know you were that mixed

[aherne]

your Gypsy! I didn't know you were that mixed

Very very mixed. Here were the surnames of my German-speaking great-grandparents:

- Höber: German surname
- Hudáček: Slovak surname
- Krivi: Croat surname
- Roth: German surname

Based on that I may very well be only 1/4 that happens to have inherited German look from his father that happens to have inherited German look from his father that happens to have inherited German look from his father (4 generations in a row). It is unusual for such coincidences to occur, so I believe (but I may be wrong) that it's more than 1/4.

[Scandal]

I don't even bother. They are worthless...:) My original point stands: it's pseudoscience (everyone give wildly different interpretations of same data). Exactly like horoscope

What is it that you don't like about your results? Just because you don't like the result that doesn't mean it's necessarily incorrect.

[Chris596]

It's basically true, especially in my case.

If you look at my DNA tests and autosomal results, I'm basically a Serbian genetically.

But of course, by ethnicity I'm Hungarian, and I still consider myself Hungarian. I'm something of a rarity, but people like me exist.

[Norb]

I am very mixed and that's one thing I cannot deny: Romanian, German, Slovak, Gypsy, Greek, Hungarian. So probably a very difficult case... Anyway: using Y-DNA and MT-DNA to guess one's affiliation is same as racial anthropology.

Presence of a phenotype such as "Nordid" only proves at least one of someone's ancestors was "Indo-European". The more you have it unmixed with other elements, the more it occurs among your immediate ancestors, the more likely it is for most of your ancestry originating in the steppes. This is probabilistic science...

Presence of R1b-M269 or R1a Y-DNA haplogroups proves at least one of someone's ancestors was Aryan. The more immediate ancestors you have belonging to these haplogroups, the higher Aryan admixture is likely to be. To make things even more difficult, they tell nothing about your MATERNAL ancestry not to mention that both occurred in other unrelated populations.

So, if personal DNA studies would include not just you but also your grand-parents at least, the lower randomness would be! Same for racial anthropology: you may be a Corded but if your immediate ancestors are all Baltids probability is that Aryan is a secondary component in your ancestry.

Truth is that, apart of ancestors we can scientifically prove existence of (by building a family tree), we will never know our ancestry with any accuracy. Just like convergent evolution can make unrelated populations look similar due to same environmental constraints, so there is something called "drift" in genetics, causing haplogroups distribution in European antiquity to be drastically different from that among modern Europeans in absence of any major migration.

is your R1a Slavic?

[Scandal]

It's basically true, especially in my case.

If you look at my DNA tests and autosomal results, I'm basically a Serbian genetically.

But of course, by ethnicity I'm Hungarian, and I still consider myself Hungarian. I'm something of a rarity, but people like me exist.

On avarage individual results closely correlate with ethnicity though. Aherne doesn't like his result probably because he wishes he was more NW euro or something, idk. I heard he plots with Serbs/Bosnians or something. He has right to dislike his result but saying it's incorrect isn't justified.

[Trouble]

This guy is a nutcase if he thinks racial anthropology is more reliable than genetics.

[Jana]

On avarage individual results closely correlate with ethnicity though. Aherne doesn't like his result probably because he wishes he was more NW euro or something, idk. I heard he plots with Serbs/Bosnians or something. He has right to dislike his result but saying it's incorrect isn't justified.

He actually scores significant west Euro admix.
If he didn't have it, he'd plot with Macedonians/Bulgarians. He just doesn't know how to interpret his results.

[Jana]

double post

[Benyzero]

On avarage individual results closely correlate with ethnicity though. Aherne doesn't like his result probably because he wishes he was more NW euro or something, idk. I heard he plots with Serbs/Bosnians or something. He has right to dislike his result but saying it's incorrect isn't justified.

His ass came out too southern for his taste

[Norb]

does your gypsy ancestry show in your results?

[aherne]

does your gypsy ancestry show in your results?

Not at all! My great-grand-father may only have looked gypsy admixed...

[Mortimer]

You cannot take it literally and probably it cannot narrow you 100% down. But you can get an idea of your ethnicity. Lets say if you were adopted, you would realize that you are romanian or at least similar by your results. You probably would not realize that you are half south romanian half romanian saxon though. But broadly romanian you would realize. Just like I would realize Im Roma_Balkan and a little admixed for Roma_Balkan too because I score more european then Roma_Balkan or I would at least broadly realize Im Roma.

[aherne]

Aherne doesn't like his result probably because he wishes he was more NW euro or something, idk.

Aherne doesn't know what to believe. His ancestors not only were German but they also looked German (Faelid mainly)! By studying surnames of my ancestors and their close relatives, the region of origin was South-Western Germany (Rhineland, Palatinate, Baden)... Dominant phenotype among Banat Swabians was Alpine mixed with Faelid as in region of origin. Those regions have highest neolithic component in all of Germany, increasing that percentage in my genes as well...

The only real answer is by studying my family tree up to 1700s at least... Do you guys have any recommendation?

[Mortimer]

Aherne doesn't know what to believe. Looks wise his ancestors not only were German but they also looked German (Faelid), but genetic results show they were not! The only real answer is by studying my family tree up to 1700s at least... Do you guys have any recommendation?

Look might be deceiving to a certain degree. Well if you look fully faelid it is unlikely you are african american but you still can be eastern european and not german. Hell you could look faelid and even be fully jewish.

[Cristiano viejo]

Look might be deceiving to a certain degree. Well if you look fully faelid it is unlikely you are african american but you still can be eastern european and not german. Hell you could look faelid and even be fully jewish.

Full jewish Dont look faelid at all. The opposite, full Jewish often look full Arabid, Semitic or Armenoid.
But yes, I took your point.

[Mortimer]

Full jewish Dont look faelid at all. The opposite, full Jewish often look full Arabid, Semitic or Armenoid.
But yes, I took your point.

yes i meant fully ashkenazi jewish they can look very northern. not all but sometimes they do.

[Cristiano viejo]

yes i meant fully ashkenazi jewish they can look very northern. not all but sometimes they do.

I also meant full Ashkenazis.
Mijjail Tal was a full Ashkenazi, or Jeff goldblum

https://antoniogude.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Tal.87.Bruselas.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Jeff_Goldblum_by_Gage_Skidmore_3.jpg

It is Ashkenazis that are mixed with north Europeans who can look northern. Only them.

[Ford]

I don't even know where to begin with this post...

[Norb]

Aherne doesn't know what to believe. His ancestors not only were German but they also looked German (Faelid mainly)! By studying surnames of my ancestors and their close relatives, the region of origin was South-Western Germany (Rhineland, Palatinate, Baden)... Dominant phenotype among Banat Swabians was Alpine mixed with Faelid as in region of origin. Those regions have highest neolithic component in all of Germany, increasing that percentage in my genes as well...

The only real answer is by studying my family tree up to 1700s at least... Do you guys have any recommendation?

Germany isn't full of Faelids! Why do some people think this? Faelids don't look German anymore than a 'Nordid' German

[MandM]

I dont understand people who are ashamed on their autosomal results.

I do belive that people imagen them self as beeing a surten etnicity, or at least closly, so when some results come and are not what they imagend or hoped, the maby feel a bit ashamed, that people wont se them as there etnicity or they have more of somthing that they may not like, so they dont post, that would be my guess

[yowasgeht]

OK. My astrological sign is pending:

https://www.gedmatch.com/AdmixtureHeritage.php

Which is the ultimate check you guys believe into?

Post your Eurogenes K13 Admixture.

[aherne]

I do belive that people imagen them self as beeing a surten etnicity, or at least closly, so when some results come and are not what they imagend or hoped, the maby feel a bit ashamed, that people wont se them as there etnicity or they have more of somthing that they may not like, so they dont post, that would be my guess

I'm seeing their argument repeated. You guys really believe in the accuracy of these oracles then look sideways when they are shown to be blatantly conflicting. It's your religion, spending worthless hours trying to interpret them and see nonexistent patterns...

I'm knowingly of mixed ancestry (half were romanian speakers, half were german speakers but neither were pure Romanian or German), but regardless of how mixed they were my Romanian ancestors looked Romanian and my German ancestors looked German. All up to farthest generation I can trace racial anthropology proves relatively accurate...

[MandM]

I'm seeing their argument repeated. You guys really believe in the accuracy of these oracles then look sideways when they are shown to be blatantly conflicting. It's your religion, spending worthless hours trying to interpret them and see nonexistent patterns...

I'm knowingly of mixed ancestry (half were romanian speakers, half were german speakers but neither were pure Romanian or German), but regardless of how mixed they were my Romanian ancestors looked Romanian and my German ancestors looked German. All up to farthest generation I can trace racial anthropology proves relatively accurate...

my awnser to him have nothing to do with you my friend, it was just my thought and reflecion on the questiot, i have been on apricity for a while, like back sence 2012 i think, and it was a real shit storm back then,many balkan and south euros were VERTY nordist or baltic orianted and of cours other regions and countrys hade there shit,so by just posting your picture and you didint look like they wanted,,ohh my good he or she was eather this or that, i came to apricity to try o learn about genetics and phenotypes the onely thing i learnd that people were assholes, but i came back and hope that times are better, and i dont think people take orecals 100% like its true but more like guidelines and, am from serbia ,and i get very balkan results, and io read some get spott on correcy, so it is at leas doing somthing right, and it will only get better over time=)

[Ascended]

These genetic kits are Jewish psyops, they laugh as you all sit around spitting in saliva tubes.

[Lemminkäinen]

Some months ago, I've decided to do an ancestry.com DNA test to see what I'm made of. As far as I know, half of my ancestors were German speakers, while the other half were Romanian speakers. However, among my German speaking forebears some had Slovak surnames, while among Romanian forebears some had Hungarian or Greek surnames and one looked Gypsy admixed.

So in January I've finally ordered an Ancestry DNA test and now results have arrived.

AncestryDNA results:

Europe East: 41% (they pinpoint Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania)
Great Britain: 22% (WTF!!!)
Europe South: 15%
Caucasus: 5%
European Jewish: 5%
Iberian Peninsula: 5%
Europe West: 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia: < 1%
Middle East: < 1%
Asia South: < 1%

Finding results pretty absurd, I've decided to download my DNA and upload it to other sites for a second guess.

MyHeritage results:

Eastern European: 69,0%
- Balkans: 57,9%
- Broadly Eastern European: 11,1%
Southern European: 12,4%
- Iberian: 12,4% (!!!)
Northern and Western Europe: 7,3%
- Scandinavian: 7,3%
British Isles: 0%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 2,1%
West Asian: 8,2%
East Asian: 1,0%

Then continued to GEDMATCH and got similar wildly different or plain absurd results. To me all of this sure looks like reading the horoscope (pretentious pseudo science in its purity). Therefore, I'll stick to racial anthropology which provides FAR more reliable results and proved itself to be a science (only not an exact one). Based on racial anthropology:

- my father (3/4 German, 1/4 Romanian) looks typical German: Nordo-Faelid mixed with some Alpine-Med
- my mother (1/4 German, 3/4 Romanian) looks typical Romanian: Nordo-Baltid mixed with strong Alpine-Med

If you look at them, or at their parents, their looks reflect their ethnicity. This is science!

It happens because these analyses oveweight genetic homogeneity over complexity. German inheritance is more complex than "Balto-Slavic" and English and is more difficult to define. In other words, companies making these tests select what they use from your data and simplify results. In case of Gedmatch and oracles the mismatch is due to the high LD pruning. For me Gedmatch usually gives Karelian 50%+German 50% or Estonian 50% + North Swedish 50%, rarely Finnish. Dna.land is a different case, they give me Finnish 90% and Greek+ Italian 10%, which is wrong as well. They miss the Finnish match, because I don't match with their too simplified Finnish model and the formula tries to correct it using South Europeans.

[aherne]

Post your Eurogenes K13 Admixture.

It was posted already:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333794-My-dna-analysis-according-to-GedMatch

[Leto]

It was posted already:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333794-My-dna-analysis-according-to-GedMatch
You forgot Dodecad K12b, please post it there.

[Scandal]

I'm seeing their argument repeated. You guys really believe in the accuracy of these oracles then look sideways when they are shown to be blatantly conflicting. It's your religion, spending worthless hours trying to interpret them and see nonexistent patterns...

Some calculators are accurate, others are not. For europeans Eurogenes k13 and Dodecad k12b are considered the most accurate.

I'm knowingly of mixed ancestry (half were romanian speakers, half were german speakers but neither were pure Romanian or German)
Your dna shows you're mostly balkan with some western ancestry. You seem 1/3 Western and 2/3 Balkan-Romanian.

but regardless of how mixed they were my Romanian ancestors looked Romanian and my German ancestors looked German. All up to farthest generation I can trace racial anthropology proves relatively accurate...

Okay, but Klaus Johannis looks German too and this is how a pure translyvanian saxon scores: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319438-Transylvanian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results&p=6734610&viewfull=1#post6734610
Not too different to your result. They have significant Romanian admix - the ones I've seen were more Romanian than German genetically because they mixed with Romanians in the past..

So I think you dna test result is in line with your actual ancestry.

[Scandal]

His vahaduo k13:

Target: Aherne(Romanian)
Distance: 1.8107% / 1.81067202 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Swiss_French
26.6 Bosniak_Krajina
21.6 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
10.8 Romania_Crisana
3.2 Vlach_North-Macedonia
1.0 Sardinian
0.4 Dai

A combination of western and southeastern european, like his stated ancestry.

[Scandal]

All in all, I am:
7/16 Romanian
6/16 German
2/16 Czech
1/16 Greek
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/viewtopic.php?p=78975#p78975

[Norb]

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/viewtopic.php?p=78975#p78975

Balkan R1a

[aherne]

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/viewtopic.php?p=78975#p78975

This was a long time ago. Based on surnames:

7/16 Romanian
1/16 Greek
6/16 German
1/16 Slovak
1/16 Croat

My paternal haplogroup is West Slavic (definitely coming from Slovak ancestors). I could only trace ancestors up to 1870s, but not more... Funny how I've changed in ten years... Picture of me 1 year ago:

https://instagram.fotp3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/fr/e15/s1080x1080/66648135_190929635266382_916358975749444569_n.jpg? _nc_ht=instagram.fotp3-3.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=AGCbBkFbTo0AX_BmO55&oh=cf717495cf8c01e281d416ae97ac2030&oe=5FA7BC5D