Greece 20% Caucasus on AncestryDNA

[Lek]

Here is a screenshot that shows Greece has an average score of 20% Caucasus on AncestryDNA while Albania barely scores any.

Its taken from ancestryDNA chart , but apparently I am making falsehood.

I took the screenshot from a phone so its hard so try to zoom in to see if you can't see properly

https://i.imgur.com/kW8QWBY.png


Or just download the link here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_sjsM56m-0ewGu1RlWbg2MtEwhWJrcbc4sRnvpkUquU/edit#gid=1203387096


And then click on where it says Euro comp.

[Lek]

You can also see average score for Iberia, Italy etc. They all come out as less ''European'' than Albania.

Not only this but the East Europe on AncestryDNA is not of Slavic source which is why Greeks also come out more Slavic than Albanians on 23andme.

[Coolguy1]

Many of them are obviously Anatolian Greeks

[Lek]

Many of them are obviously Anatolian Greeks

Not denying that they aren't.

But then the samples must be very different from 23andme considering Greeks dont score that much there but should easily do if they were that much pontic Greeks considering they settled in Greece not too long ago and 23andme goes few hundred years back while ancestrydna is like 2000 years.

You can also see Italy has a score of 9%.


I think its Post-Bronze Age influence in both countries with some Pontic Greek influence maybe. And also the MENA. Greece being geographically closer to Anatolia etc its only natural

But that was not my point, Pontic or not it is still Greece and many Pontics have mixed with other Greeks.


I was also accused of lying which was my point. Not denying it could be pontic influence. But some of it definitely isn't.

Also apparently how a 1/4 pontic Greek plots with Albanians as if that matters regarding what Im saying, scoring this much still does not make you plot much different as long as it aint recent ancestry.

[Coolguy1]

Not denying that they aren't.

But then the samples must be very different from 23andme considering Greeks dont score that much there but should easily do if they were that much pontic Greeks considering they settled in Greece not too long ago and 23andme goes few hundred years back while ancestrydna is like 2000 years.

You can also see Italy has a score of 9%.


I think its Post-Bronze Age influence in both countries with some Pontic Greek influence maybe. And also the MENA. Greece being geographically closer to Anatolia etc its only natural

But that was not my point, Pontic or not it is still Greece and many Pontics have mixed with other Greeks.

Mainland Greeks should not be compared to Pontics. Both categories need to be separated. There is not point in having a Greek "Average" because each subgroup is different.

Pontics are definitely mostly native Caucasians genetically, with like 30% Mycenaean like input demonstrated by using nmonte.

Both mainland Greeks and Albanians have similar Caucasus levels, Greeks slightly more. Minoans and Mycenaeans had a shit ton of Caucasus ancestry

[Hellenas]

Many of them are obviously Anatolian Greeks

With "Anatolian Greeks" he put in the same sack Pontian Greeks(Near Caucasus), Cappadocians Greeks(Central Anatolia) and Aegean Anatolian Greeks(who are the majority of Anatolian Greeks). Something like saying "Europeans" while talking about Icelanders, Cretans and Russians lol!

Nice cherry picked results by the way!

[catgeorge]

Those results look bogus. France, England etc are 15% non Euro immigrant and yet they score 99% Euro.

These results are a bastardization of someones delusions. Surely you are not taking these results seriously.

[Lek]

With "Anatolian Greeks" he put in the same sack Pontian Greeks(Near Caucasus), Cappadocians Greeks(Central Anatolia) and Aegean Anatolian Greeks(who are the majority of Anatolian Greeks). Something like saying "Europeans" while talking about Icelanders, Cretans and Russians lol!

Nice cherry picked results by the way!

How the fuck have I cherrypicked the results? This is what the average country scores on ancestryDNA

It isnt my work. Youre the one claiming Albanians are Kavkaz. My thread was simply a response to this post:


That's not true at all, most of the Greek members on here posted their 23andMe results and they are all 100% European (or 99.9% with noise amounts of Middle Eastern or East Asian). Hell, even Raine clusters with North Albanians on a PCA plot by lukaszM if I remember correctly and she is 1/4 Pontian herself.

Hellenas is just a dumb troll, I'm surprised you guys are even replying to this thread. But don't fight falsehoods with other falsehoods.



After I had said this:


This forum has too many butthurts.


Your average Greek on ancestry DNA scores like 20% Caucasus and quite some MENA , that is higher than any other European population.

Ancient Hellenes my ass.

And also a responce to your thread.

AncedtryDNA goes much further back than 23andme.

[Lek]

Those results look bogus. France, England etc are 15% non Euro immigrant and yet they score 99% Euro.

These results are a bastardization of someones delusions. Surely you are not taking these results seriously.

AncestryDNA only uses sample of people that are 100% natives I believe from the specific countries. But this was funny to read. Your sense of humour never lets down.

[Coolguy1]

AncestryDNA only uses sample of people that are 100% natives I believe from the specific countries.

Jesus Christ, on the picture it says N=10, meaning its the average of ten people :picard1:

[Lek]

Jesus Christ, on the picture it says N=10, meaning its the average of ten people :picard1:

Yeah and the people they use are 100% natives with no known outside ancestry

[Coolguy1]

Yeah and the people they use are 100% natives with no known outside ancestry

The average is garbage. Anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics knows that a sample size of 10 cannot accurately represent a population of millions. Groups with obvious differences should not be averaged together, Simpson's Paradox.

[catgeorge]

AncestryDNA only uses sample of people that are 100% natives I believe from the specific countries. But this was funny to read. Your sense of humour never lets down.

You have got to be kidding.

These are all native French

https://androidtvfrance.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/france-android-live-tv.jpg

However in someones mind - those with high Asiatic haplos (Ukraine etc) are more Euro than those with Neolithic Haplos.

Get out of my face.

[StonyArabia]

My YDNA matches have often been Pontic Greeks to be honest

[Lek]

The average is garbage. Anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics knows that a sample size of 10 cannot accurately represent a population of millions. Groups with obvious differences should not be averaged together, Simpson's Paradox.


The people they have used aren't pontic Greeks apparently. Its people that are native as possible to represent the country. It is better than nothing. What do you suggest?

Even then, it could be some Pontic Greeks. I agree.

Still has Greeks coming out more Kavkaz than Albanians just by those samples, by far. But supposedly Albanians are recent Caucasus Immigrants. Lel.

It says it goes thousands of years back into your ancestry:


AncestryDNA uses recent advances in DNA technology to provide ethnicity estimates that span the past thousand years and provide insights that often aren't recorded in historical records.

Just googling Greek ancestryDNA results you'll see pretty much many Greeks score high Caucasus/Middle East.

Lmao. But Albanians be Kavkaz. Duh.

[Hellenas]

How the fuck have I cherrypicked the results? This is what the average country scores on ancestryDNA

Take these.

https://i.imgur.com/0s4WdyK.gif

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml


https://s1.postimg.org/8rpleba0v1/balkano-causaian.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224915-Post-K36-Balkano-Caucasian-or-Dinaro-Armenoid-component-)


We have the same.


Youre the one claiming Albanians are Kavkaz.

I am not the one claiming Albanians are Caucasians, it's Coon talking about the Asiatic Dinaric/Apine-Cappadocian hybrid type in Albania.

I made these thread because Albanians called Greeks Armenians/Georgians.


AncedtryDNA goes much further back than 23andme.

You say.

[Coolguy1]

The people they have used aren't pontic Greeks apparently. Its people that are native as possible to represent the country. It is better than nothing. What do you suggest?

Even then, it could be some Pontic Greeks. I agree.

Still has Greeks coming out more Kavkaz than Albanians just by those samples, by far. But supposedly Albanians are recent Caucasus Immigrants. Lel.

It says it goes thousands of years back into your ancestry:



Just googling Greek ancestryDNA results you'll see pretty much many Greeks score high Caucasus/Middle East.

Lmao. But Albanians be Kavkaz. Duh.

Yeah, I doubt those are official Ancestry DNA statistics, its obvious from the sample size. And there is no such thing as a company going back thousands of years and another only a couple of hundred years, its just a marketing ploy. All they do is look at your results and decide themselves what to give you. There is no such thing as 100% Balkan lmao, because the Balkans is the most mixed region of Europe, this includes Albanians.

A large portion of your ancestry is from the Caucasus, same with Greeks. Its from ancient Neolithic migrations mostly, so why do you seem so hostile to this fact?

[Lek]

They used 10 Greek samples from all over the country, they made sure these Greeks were as native as possible, even checked the family history of those people.

They did same thing with Albanians and still Greeks came out more Kavkaz/MENA. How is this a coincidence and not a good representive?

Those are quite average Albanian results, only thing that will vary is the East Europe and Italy/Greece

[Thanas Django]

IceT is pushing an agenda that even Laberia didn't touch.
Good luck to him.

[Sikeliot]

They used 10 Greek samples from all over the country, they made sure these Greeks were as native as possible, even checked the family history of those people.

They did same thing with Albanians and still Greeks came out more Kavkaz/MENA. How is this a coincidence and not a good representive?

Those are quite average Albanian results, only thing that will vary is the East Europe and Italy/Greece


Those are not samples, they are individual results based on people who posted them on Youtube.

[Sikeliot]

They used 10 Greek samples from all over the country, they made sure these Greeks were as native as possible, even checked the family history of those people.

They did same thing with Albanians and still Greeks came out more Kavkaz/MENA. How is this a coincidence and not a good representive?

Those are quite average Albanian results, only thing that will vary is the East Europe and Italy/Greece


Those are not samples, they are individual results based on people who posted them on Youtube.

[Lavrentis]

Not only this but the East Europe on AncestryDNA is not of Slavic source

Then what is it? I think you made up an excuse for the reason that Albanians score 20% East Euro on AncestryDNA tbh.

[Sikeliot]

The reason the average is so high is there is an outlier with 46% Caucasus who is 3/4 Anatolian Greek, and then another with 32%. Without them, the average comes to 15%. Which is much more realistic.

What I notice, since I have the entire spreadsheet, is Sicilians come up more Middle Eastern but less Caucasian by comparison, with some of the Middle Eastern scores in the high teens but Caucasus is closer to 10%.

[Dorian]

them siptar chicks worship Greek caucasian hairy balls.

[Lavrentis]

My YDNA matches have often been Pontic Greeks to be honest

Aren't you of Caucasus descent? If yes, it is obvious that you match Pontic Greeks. Pontic Greeks are genetically a Caucasus people.

[Wrong]

Those are not samples, they are individual results based on people who posted them on Youtube.

Near Eastern admixture:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGkmFfIxOvA/UFtHQeRcNHI/AAAAAAAAD18/ig60y5QeFYM/s1600/MDLPneareast.jpg



West Asian admixture:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LIug8kEPKW4/UFtC9XP-VsI/AAAAAAAAD1A/HTmsEscIGoI/s1600/MDLPwestasian.jpg




Atlantic_Mediterranean admixture:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg



MLDP project.

Actually the purer Ghegs like IceT have among the lowest West Asian admix I've seen in Albanians.

[Sikeliot]

From MLDP project:

Near Eastern admixture:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGkmFfIxOvA/UFtHQeRcNHI/AAAAAAAAD18/ig60y5QeFYM/s1600/MDLPneareast.jpg



West Asian admixture:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LIug8kEPKW4/UFtC9XP-VsI/AAAAAAAAD1A/HTmsEscIGoI/s1600/MDLPwestasian.jpg




Atlantic_Mediterranean admixture:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg


Interesting. Everyone has the Atlantic Mediterranean, but Iberians lack West Asian but have Near Eastern. Italians and Greeks have both (Greeks higher West Asian, Italians higher Near East).

[Lavrentis]

Albanians scoring more Italy/Greece than Greeks and Portuguese scoring only 38% Iberian on that chart is also suspicious. I mean, they literally took Greek samples for their 'Italy/Greece' component and Greeks scored only 62%?

[Wrong]

Interesting. Everyone has the Atlantic Mediterranean, but Iberians lack West Asian but have Near Eastern. Italians and Greeks have both (Greeks higher West Asian, Italians higher Near East).
Atlantic_Mediterranean in Eastern Europe peaks in Albanians, often among Ghegs.

It's WHG & EEF mixed-component, peaks the highest out of entire Europe in Sardinians.

[Sikeliot]

Albanians scoring more Italy/Greece than Greeks and Portuguese scoring only 38% Iberian on that chart is also suspicious. I mean, they literally took Greek samples for their 'Italy/Greece' component and Greeks scored only 62%?

The person who made the spreadsheet just took peoples results off Youtube and averaged them. It is not from a scientific study.

[Wrong]

The irony is that Greeks often call Albanians Caucuses-immigrants, despite Greeks themselves carrying more of the Kavkaz & MENA components and Albanians carrying more Megalithic admixture from WHG+EEF.

[Dibran]

You can also see average score for Iberia, Italy etc. They all come out as less ''European'' than Albania.

Not only this but the East Europe on AncestryDNA is not of Slavic source which is why Greeks also come out more Slavic than Albanians on 23andme.

Ever since the update, the "East-European" cluster for me and my mother is part of the North-East Italy/Croatia/Bosnia cluster. So I assume this cluster is more a "Dalmatian" cluster of East-Europe. Did anyone elses results get updated as well with specific clusters?

[MercifulServant]

20% is way to high

[Lavrentis]

The irony is that Greeks often call Albanians Caucus immigrants despite Greeks carrying more of the Caucasus & MENA components and Albanians themselves carrying more Megalithic admixture from WHG+EEF.

Caucasus in Greece is ancient, MENA is recent (mostly from Anatolian Greeks imo). Although there are cases of Greeks scoring recent ‘MENA’ (if you consider Jewish components as MENA). Cretans for example cluster with Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. That’s certainly ‘recent’ admixture, and not ancient.

Btw Albanians score more WHG than Greeks, but not by a large margin. About EEF, I think Greeks score more than Albanians tbh. This is how much of these two components Greeks score:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180320/18ef775b081a2cb766e72bf03661a0d2.jpg

Too bad that the map doesn’t include Albanians so we can compare.

[MercifulServant]

The irony is that Greeks often call Albanians Caucuses-immigrants, despite Greeks themselves carrying more of the Kavkaz & MENA components and Albanians carrying more Megalithic admixture from WHG+EEF.

The reason they are more kavkaz/MENA is because of Pontic Greeks and islanders

[Sikeliot]

The reason they are more kavkaz/MENA is because of Pontic Greeks and islanders

Caucasus input in there is heavily inflated by just 2 outliers in the sample who are Anatolian Greeks. If you remove them, that average already drops to 15%.

[Wrong]

The reason they are more kavkaz/MENA is because of Pontic Greeks and islanders
Not according to the maps I posted earlier that cover region by region.

[Lavrentis]

I just checked the map posted by OP again, and East Euro peaks in Lithuanians, Poles and Ukrainians. The Albanian sample scores 20% of it, the Greek sample scores 7%.

Verdict: If Greeks are 20% Caucasus, Albanians are 20% Balto-Slavic.


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[Wrong]

I just checked the map posted by OP again, and East Euro peaks in Lithuanians, Poles and Ukrainians. The Albanian sample scores 20% of it, the Greek sample scores 7.

Verdict: If Greeks are 20% Caucasus, Albanians are 20% Balto-Slavic.


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It peaks in Lithuanians and they're not Slavs. Alot of this East Euro admixture is Steppe-based.

[Sikeliot]

I just checked the map posted by OP again, and East Euro peaks in Lithuanians, Poles and Ukrainians. The Albanian sample scores 20% of it, the Greek sample scores 7.

Verdict: If Greeks are 20% Caucasus, Albanians are 20% Balto-Slavic.


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If you take out the 2 outliers from Anatolia, the Greek average surpasses 10%. I also have seen northern Greeks scoring 20%. So it really depends. A "Greek" average tells you very little unless it is broken up regionally.

Also, notice Sicilians have 0% East Europe :)

[Lavrentis]

It peaks in Lithuanians and they're not Slavs.

Yeah that’s why I said Balto-Slavic. Balts and Slavs are closely related anyway.

Anyway, the Polish and Ukrainian samples score more than 90% of the East Euro component.


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[Lavrentis]

If you take out the 2 outliers from Anatolia, the Greek average surpasses 10%. I also have seen northern Greeks scoring 20%. So it really depends. A "Greek" average tells you very little unless it is broken up regionally.

Also, notice Sicilians have 0% East Europe :)

Why would Sicilians score East Euro? They’re pretty far away from Poles and other East Euros :D


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[Wrong]

Yeah that’s why I said Balto-Slavic. Balts and Slavs are closely related anyway.

Anyway, the Polish and Ukrainian samples score more than 90% of the East Euro component.


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It's not Balto-Slavic, since Finnish people who do carry more Slavic-like admixture score less of EE than Germans and Swedes/Norwegians.

[Sikeliot]

Why would Sicilians score East Euro? They’re pretty far away from Poles and other East Euros :D


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I'm just demonstrating this because it is one of the differences between them and the Greek sample.

The other being that the Middle East is higher than in Greeks and the Caucasus lower.

[Freeroostah]

No way....only my Pontic matches have 20+ Caucasus. Anatolian Greeks are around 14% while Mainlanders between 0%-10%
I score 7%

[Freeroostah]

I just checked the map posted by OP again, and East Euro peaks in Lithuanians, Poles and Ukrainians. The Albanian sample scores 20% of it, the Greek sample scores 7%.

Verdict: If Greeks are 20% Caucasus, Albanians are 20% Balto-Slavic.


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I've seen Greeks with 33% East Euro. It could be Balkan though....

[kleenex]

I am full Greek mainland and got about 9 % Caucasus but were talking about an ancient (neolithic) component that is present in South, Central, Italy, Tuscany, all Greeks, Albanians as well. I do think that on Ancestry the Caucusus score is inflated however.

[kleenex]

Here is a screenshot that shows Greece has an average score of 20% Caucasus on AncestryDNA while Albania barely scores any.

Its taken from ancestryDNA chart , but apparently I am making falsehood.

I took the screenshot from a phone so its hard so try to zoom in to see if you can't see properly

https://i.imgur.com/kW8QWBY.png


Or just download the link here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_sjsM56m-0ewGu1RlWbg2MtEwhWJrcbc4sRnvpkUquU/edit#gid=1203387096


And then click on where it says Euro comp.

A composite Greek score would include Eastern Aegean Greeks, Cretans, possibly Anatolian Greeks so obviously it's higher than a much smaller less genetically diverse Albanian population. Check the Caucasus average for Italians as well and it may be in the 10-15% range because of Sicilians, Southern Italians most likely.

[Sikeliot]

I am full Greek mainland and got about 9 % Caucasus but were talking about an ancient (neolithic) component that is present in South, Central, Italy, Tuscany, all Greeks, Albanians as well. I do think that on Ancestry the Caucusus score is inflated however.

Yes. This component makes up a significant portion of DNA for such a large part of Europe that it should definitely not be treated as a "MENA" component or foreign for Europe.

Sub-Saharan, North African, Berber, and SW Asian are the components that should be seen as foreign.

[kleenex]

Yes. This component makes up a significant portion of DNA for such a large part of Europe that it should definitely not be treated as a "MENA" component or foreign for Europe.

Sub-Saharan, North African, Berber, and SW Asian are the components that should be seen as foreign.

I agree because of the origin of pre IE peoples in Europe not exclusively Southern Euro.

[Sikeliot]

I agree because of the origin of pre IE peoples in Europe not exclusively Southern Euro.

From my experience Caucasus for island Greeks tends to be in the 10-20% range. I remember one person from Cyclades got 18%, but their Middle East was only 6% and then the rest was European.

[Hellenas]

Caucasus in Greece is ancient, MENA is recent (mostly from Anatolian Greeks imo). Although there are cases of Greeks scoring recent ‘MENA’ (if you consider Jewish components as MENA). Cretans for example cluster with Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. That’s certainly ‘recent’ admixture, and not ancient.

Btw Albanians score more WHG than Greeks, but not by a large margin. About EEF, I think Greeks score more than Albanians tbh. This is how much of these two components Greeks score:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180320/18ef775b081a2cb766e72bf03661a0d2.jpg

Too bad that the map doesn’t include Albanians so we can compare.

You keep accusing Anatolian Greeks for bringers of "MENA" admixture in mainland Greece and Cretans as being mixed with Jews, both are wrong claims.

I have correct you many times but you keep doing the same mistakes.

For another one time.

MENA= Middle East and North Africa.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/MENA

Greeks don't have NA, so they are not NA, only partly ME.


Mainland Greeks alredy were mixed both with Caucasians and Middle Easterners before the coming of Anatolian Greeks.

"Minoans, Mycenaeans, and modern Greeks also had some ancestry related to the ancient people of the Caucasus, Armenia, and Iran(10-15%). This finding suggests that some migration occurred in the Aegean and southwestern Anatolia from further east after the time of the earliest farmers," said Lazaridis."

https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html

Aegean West Anatolian Greeks(who were the majority of Anatolian Greeks) are not more out-Europeans genetically than other Greeks or mainland Greeks.

According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European

All Greeks : 93,4 % European"

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


As for Cretans being mixed with Jews that's another wrong claim.

Cretans, Greeks, Italians cluster with Euro-Jews because Euro-Jews are half south Europeans genetically.

'European' ancestry in the Ashkenazi Jews is predominitely South European.

"most of this historical European ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews comes from Southern Europe. In particular Southeastern Europe [not Iberia or France]."

"So basically Ashkenazi Jews could be modeled as being 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. The Middle Eastern ancestry was pretty much all Levantine, which is not surprising. Meanwhile 3/4s of the European ancestry looked to be South European, for 37.5% total South European admixture. The remaining admixture in the Ashkenazi was mostly East European."

"two clostest populations in the Near Eastern direction [Levantine Christians] and European direction [Southern Italians and Southern Greeks]"

http://archhades.blogspot.gr/2015/05/european-ancestry-in-ashkenazi-jews-is.html


Cretans are only 9-10% out-Europeans genetically and they had most of this component since the Minoan period.

[Hellenas]

The irony is that Greeks often call Albanians Caucuses-immigrants, despite Greeks themselves carrying more of the Kavkaz & MENA components and Albanians carrying more Megalithic admixture from WHG+EEF.

It's the other way round, Greeks usually do not even care about your people Albanians, while Albanians have a psychosis with Greeks and they attack them with the first opportunity, especially in forums. Kastrioti, Laberia permanently banned mainly for this reason. It is Albanian Greek haters who come in forums to attack and slander the Greeks by calling them among other things Anatolian Armenoids/Armenians/Georgians etc. They use Anatolian Greeks(especially Pontians) to do that by claiming they are not Greeks.

I just showed you Greeks and Albanians have about the same admixture with Caucasians.


The "mixed Greeks" and from the other hand "the pure European Albanians" don't stand for real.

[Kouros]

It's the other way round, Greeks usually do not even care about your people Albanians, while Albanians have a psychosis with Greeks and they attack them with the first opportunity, especially in forums. Kastrioti, Laberia permanently banned mainly for this reason. It is Albanian Greek haters who come in forums to attack and slander the Greeks by calling them among other things Anatolian Armenoids/Armenians/Georgians etc. They use Anatolian Greeks(especially Pontians) to do that by claiming they are not Greeks.

I agree with you here for once. Some of the members you're referring too (mostly banned now) have a huge inferiority complex and serious cases of butthurt. I would log in and the recent threads list would be flooded with these fools' insecure circlejerking about Greeks. I don't know if the shit you say is in retaliation or not but regardless you do the same, so I don't care to differentiate between you and them.

[Hellenas]

I don't know if the shit you say is in retaliation or not but regardless you do the same, so I don't care to differentiate between you and them.

The "shit" is not mine but of American Anthropologist Carleton Coon, by the way when people don't like evidences they start insulting= calling anthrpological data "shit" etc. What I did was to show them that Albanians, like Greeks, also are mixed with Caucasians, so it's hilarious having Albanians talking abut the mixed Greeks and the pure Albanians. I didn't start this, I finished it.

[Kouros]

The "shit" is not mine but of American Anthropologist Carleton Coon, by the way when people don't like evidences they start slandering as well as insulting= calling anthrpological data "shit", typical low level behavior. I did that to show them that Albanians, like Greeks, also are mixed with Caucasians, so it's hilarious having Albanians talking abut the mixed Greeks and the pure Albanians. I didn't start this, I finished it.

I don't really care what Albanians are mixed with. If their are Albanians claiming they are a completely pure population, which I'm sure their are, then let their stupidity speak for themselves. I only care if they are spewing garbage about Greece/Greeks.

Clearly IceT made this thread in retaliation to yours.

[Voskos]

Here we go again. Serbs claim shiptar is Caucasus import, shiptar has no balls to face serbs and finds easier trolling target in fellow swarthy Greek. The same old niggery from shiptar over and over.

[Hellenas]

I don't really care what Albanians are mixed with. If their are Albanians claiming they are a completely pure population, which I'm sure their are, then let their stupidity speak for themselves. I only care if they are spewing garbage about Greece/Greeks.

Clearly IceT made this thread in retaliation to yours.

And I made the thread you talking about answering to the trolling of Albanian posters piro ilir, Wrong, Kelmendasi etc.

[user_]

Here we go again. Serbs claim shiptar is Caucasus import, shiptar has no balls to face serbs and finds easier trolling target in fellow swarthy Greek. The same old niggery from shiptar over and over.

If Greeks are swarthy, that's no fault of Caucasus. Caucasus component is quite light and definitely lighter than Mediterranean component.

[Voskos]

If Greeks are swarthy, that's no fault of Caucasus. Caucasus component is quite light and definitely lighter than Mediterranean component.

who gives a fuck, I was just commenting on the thread title and not on caucasus admixture.

[Kouros]

So now the Eastern European component in Ancestry isn't Slavic because Albanians score 20% of it? So we change the goalpost just for you?

Poles, Ukrainians, and Lithuanians score 90-98% of it according to the chart you posted. Western Euros score 3% at most if we exclude Germans who have 20% that is explained by Slavic influence in their Eastern region. Scholarly consensus is that proto/early Slavs split from Baltic peoples and are closest to Ukrainians, so you do the math.


And I made the thread you talking about answering to the trolling of Albanian posters piro ilir, Wrong, Kelmendasi etc.

I haven't seen any thing close to trolling from Wrong. And if he has then it was before I signed up. Kelmendasi is out of the question, he's the most chill user on this forum. In comparison to what I've seen behaviour-wise from members on this forum I would never guess him to be Albanian or anything close to the Balkans. He makes a lot of the Balkan users on here look like savages.

As for piro illir, I don't know what the fuck this guy's problem is. He is a month old user and already has dozens of posts about Greeks. You and him were successfull in derailing that thread by safinator though.

And then we have that one dude badabum, who seems keen on falling in the footsteps of his shiptaro-troll predecessors. I reported his 5th sockpuppet to the mods before he can even post. I sincerely feel sorry for this guy as I do most insecure Albanians on here.

[Voskos]

...

yes serbs often call you albanians as caucasians. funny thing is even what you prefer in terms of dna results, serbs dictate it .

[Voskos]

The irony is that Greeks often call Albanians Caucuses-immigrants, despite Greeks themselves carrying more of the Kavkaz & MENA components and Albanians carrying more Megalithic admixture from WHG+EEF.

if greeks do it then they're wrong obviously. but irl its the serbs and fyromians who promote the anatolian theories against albos and greeks, though IceT basically tries to refute it by saying he's less caucasian than Greeks, lol, that's not very difficult as Greeks are the most caucasian in europe.

[Hellenas]

I haven't seen any thing close to trolling from Wrong. And if he has then it was before I signed up. .

Your opinion is biased and you are nothing more than a little hypocrite who defend Albanians just because you dislike me personally(since I said American-Greeks are not pure Greek looking). You also come in all threads and you attack me.

Your Albanian Wrong insults worse than Kastrioti...


Hahahahahhhhhhhhh, the homeland of Hellenass.

Fuck these brainless hyper-nationalist retards in their anuses, Greek, Albanian ones or others, same shits! :thumbs


Fuck "Mediterranean" faggots. .

Lol, Wrong is the Kastrioti-Moderator of the Apricity.

I reported him at least two times but nothing happened.

And he is trolling by caling me "Anatolian".


You are what, a cypriot living in Canada? And Hellenas - Anatolian immigrant to Greek lands?


As for you, you are not better than him.


Hellenas shut your fucking mouth for once


dumb fuck, In what world does this guy look 'Anglo' retard?


Give this dude Hellenas a phat ban as well plz


You even beg this Albanian insulter to ban me.

I can't decide who is worse here, you or Albanians, most probably you, as you are a Greek-American.



Kelmendasi is out of the question, he's the most chill user on this forum. In comparison to what I've seen behaviour-wise from members on this forum I would never guess him to be Albanian or anything close to the Balkans. He makes a lot of the Balkan users on here look like savages.

Let's see.


Hellenas is completely fucked in the head lol


Fucktard

He even troll me by calling me "Pontian".


You are retarded. Aren't you Pontic Greek? Well then you are going to be closer genetically to Armenians


I guess you're just trying to cope because as a Pontic Greek you are much closer genetically and phenotypically to some peoples from that region than any other south Euro.


Here he troll Greeks by claiming that Albanians look more European than Greeks and that a lot of Greeks are Anatolian like.


But yet we look more Euro than you


Your genetics do show that a lot of you are Anatolian like.


Those are the Albanians you defend.



As for piro illir, I don't know what the fuck this guy's problem is. He is a month old user and already has dozens of posts about Greeks. You and him were successfull in derailing that thread by safinator though.

I derailed a thread because I answered to the BS of an Albanian? Because I answered him with evidences and he started calling me and all Greeks Armenians/Georgians mixed with Albanians/Romanians and that Albanians will do the same BS in Greece as they did in Cosovo by invading Greece with an army? Lol!


cybernautic gave you the answer of what happened.


Typical coward thug behaviour three people among them one mod ganging up against one

Albanian warriors :lol: pfffffffffff


They are nothing more than an Albanian gang and you a biased supporter of them who insult and attack in the same way.

[Voskos]

...

What is your opinion on brown people in the Balkans and Greece? I noticed there's a lot of browns even in countries like Bosnia, Romania etc, browner than some North Africans. What the fuck, are we descended from negros?

[Hellenas]

What is your opinion on brown people in the Balkans and Greece? I noticed there's a lot of browns even in countries like Bosnia, Romania etc, browner than some North Africans. What the fuck, are we descended from negros?

I don't know man what you talking about!

[Voskos]

I don't know man what you talking about!

I noticed more and more people with brown skin among Balkanites, so I figured I should ask if you had an idea where such phenotypes come from, because for sure they're not the norm for the rest of europe.

[Kelmendasi]

Your opinion is biased and you are nothing more than a little hypocrite who defend Albanians just because you dislike me personally(since I said American-Greeks are not pure Greek looking). You also come in all threads and you attack me.

Your Albanian Wrong insults worse than Kastrioti...





Lol, Wrong is the Kastrioti-Moderator of the Apricity.

I reported him at least two times but nothing happened.

And he is trolling by caling me "Anatolian".




As for you, you are not better than him.








You even beg this Albanian insulter to ban me.

I can't decide who is worse here, you or Albanians, most probably you, as you are a Greek-American.




Let's see.





He even troll me by calling me "Pontian".






Here he troll Greeks by claiming that Albanians look more European than Greeks and that a lot of Greeks are Anatolian like.






Those are the Albanians you defend.




I derailed a thread because I answered to the BS of an Albanian? Because I answered him with evidences and he started calling me and all Greeks Armenians/Georgians mixed with Albanians/Romanians and that Albanians will do the same BS in Greece as they did in Cosovo by invading Greece with an army? Lol!


cybernautic gave you the answer of what happened.




They are nothing more than an Albanian gang and you a biased supporter of them who insult and attack in the same way.
Why don't you put the context up? You were the one who was insulting us first so obviously I am going to insult back, the fact that you posted without context just to present us as "trolls" shows us how much of a cunt you really are. I called you a Pontian because I actually thought you were a Pontian, and yes Anatolian Greeks genetically plot east and are more MENA like

[Lavrentis]

This below is a graph very similar to that posted by OP, it even got the data from the same source, AncestryDNA. However, the results have changed. As we can see, Greeks score 15% Caucasus:



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180324/70de51ae283e31b8f5c4661705fa6b9e.jpg

I found it from a thread on this forum some months ago and had it saved on my phone.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hellenas]

Why don't you put the context up? You were the one who was insulting us first so obviously I am going to insult back, the fact that you posted without context just to present us as "trolls" shows us how much of a cunt you really are. I called you a Pontian because I actually thought you were a Pontian,

You thought I am a Pontian? But you Albanians think that for all Anatolian Greeks, partly or not, this goes for 4.000.000 Greeks lol! Why not you an Asiatic Dinaric cappadocian hybrid, with ancestry from Caucasus Albanians? Lol!

I never insulted you, you are just a liar. You, 3-4 Albanians come in a thread and insulted me, slandered me and attacked me all together. Noted also by cybernautic who called your behavior as a "coward thug behaviour". That's the common Albanian behavior, when you don't like what others say, you start the insults. Albanian posters Kastrioti and Laberia already banned permanently for that, I hope more of you Albanians will follow!



and yes Anatolian Greeks genetically plot east and are more MENA like

And the hilarious Albanian slander goes on. You will never stop! You put in the same sack, the Pontians(who lived near Caucasus), Cappadocian Greeks(Central Anatolia) and Aegean Anatolian Greeks(of Western Anatolia, who were the majority of Anatolian Greek). Something like saying that Europeans are all Asians because Eastern Europeans have Asian admixture, Russians, English, Spaniards= All Europeans, same people!

I have repeat here 50.000 million times, you ridiculous Albanian troll, I am only partly Aegean West Anatolian Greek and not Pontian and you Albanians keep calling not only me but all Anatolian Greeks, along with half of modern Greeks, as Pontians, Armenians and Georgians. <----------------All of you Albanians must get banned for hateful trolling!


Dream on Muslim enemy of the Greeks, Aegean West Anatolian Greeks genetically plot east and are more Middle Eastern.

According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European

All Greeks : 93,4 % European"

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t994640-13/?postcount=126#post11562743

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)

I included Ionian GREEKS with the rest of Greeks

Their Y-DNA allmost perfectly resembles that of Aegean Greeks with whom I have classified them under Eastern Greeks (GREEKS not Greece). It also resembles average or mainstream Greek Y-DNA.

in fact Ionian Greeks and those from the Aegean islands might be the purest of Greeks since Ionians definetely didn't mix with Turks (no Central or East Asian haplogroups detected) and Albanian or Slavic influence in Ionia is zero...allthough some native Anatolian ancestry can't be ruled out.

Finally Ionian and other Anatolian Greeks are currently living in Greece and constitute a large section of the population...

As I explained Ionians seem very mainstream Greeks like those from the Aegean...

Their ancestors who lived under Ottoman Empire had a native Greek language, were Christian Orthodox and allways thought of themselves as Greeks (which is now proven by genetics).

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Anatolian Greeks are close genetically to: 1)Aegean islanders, 2)south Italians, 3)mainland Greeks and 4)Balkanians according to the samples Sikeliot posted. They are not close with Turks or Armenians. Also they don't have any Central/East Asian admixture so they are not mixed with Turks at all.

Sikeliot to a poster:


You realize that only Pontians differ from the Greek mainstream genetically and that other "Anatolian" Greeks were genetically just like the natives, no?

Anyway, you didn't read the chart.


Anatolian Greeks(everything about them)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220411-Anatolian-Greeks(everything-about-them)&p=4624163#post4624163

DO YOU ALBANIAN TROLLS EVER GET WHAT THEY TELL YOU!!!

ANSWER: NO NEVER!



a cunt you really are

You just desribed your own serlf and mouth! The things you throw out of your trollish mouth goes only for your self.

[Hellenas]

I noticed more and more people with brown skin among Balkanites, so I figured I should ask if you had an idea where such phenotypes come from, because for sure they're not the norm for the rest of europe.

Obviously Anatolia, not North Africa.

[Kelmendasi]

You thought I am a Pontian? But you Albanians think that for all Anatolian Greeks, partly or not, this goes for 4.000.000 Greeks lol! Why not you an Asiatic Dinaric cappadocian hybrid, with ancestry from Caucasus Albanians? Lol!

I never insulted you, you are just a liar. You, 3-4 Albanians come in a thread and insulted me, slandered me and attacked me all together. Noted also by cybernautic. That's the common Albanian behavior, when you don't like what others say, you start the insults. Albanian posters Kastrioti and Laberia already banned permanently for that, I hope more of you Albanians will follow!




And the hilarious Albanian slander goes on. You will never stop! You put in the same sack, the Pontians(who lived near Caucasus), Cappadocian Greeks(Central Anatolia) and Aegean Anatolian Greeks(of Western Anatolia, who were the majority of Anatolian Greek). Something like saying that Europeans are all Asians because Eastern Europeans have Asian admixture, Russians, English, South Spaniards= All Europeans, same people!

I have repeat here 50.000 million times, you ridiculous Albanian troll, I am only partly Aegean West Anatolian Greek and not Pontian and you Albanians keep calling not only me but all Anatolian Greeks, along with half of modern Greeks, as Pontians, Armenians and Georgians. <----------------All of you Albanians must get banned for hateful trolling!


Dream on Muslim enemy of the Greeks, Aegean West Anatolian Greeks genetically plot east and are more Middle Eastern.

According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European

All Greeks : 93,4 % European"

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t994640-13/?postcount=126#post11562743

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Eastern Greeks (Aegean islands & Ionia) (158 samples)

I included Ionian GREEKS with the rest of Greeks

Their Y-DNA allmost perfectly resembles that of Aegean Greeks with whom I have classified them under Eastern Greeks (GREEKS not Greece). It also resembles average or mainstream Greek Y-DNA.

in fact Ionian Greeks and those from the Aegean islands might be the purest of Greeks since Ionians definetely didn't mix with Turks (no Central or East Asian haplogroups detected) and Albanian or Slavic influence in Ionia is zero...allthough some native Anatolian ancestry can't be ruled out.

Finally Ionian and other Anatolian Greeks are currently living in Greece and constitute a large section of the population...

As I explained Ionians seem very mainstream Greeks like those from the Aegean...

Their ancestors who lived under Ottoman Empire had a native Greek language, were Christian Orthodox and allways thought of themselves as Greeks (which is now proven by genetics).

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


Anatolian Greeks are close genetically to: 1)Aegean islanders, 2)south Italians, 3)mainland Greeks and 4)Balkanians according to the samples Sikeliot posted. They are not close with Turks or Armenians. Also they don't have any Central/East Asian admixture so they are not mixed with Turks at all.

Sikeliot to a poster:




Anatolian Greeks(everything about them)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220411-Anatolian-Greeks(everything-about-them)&p=4624163#post4624163

DO YOU ALBANIAN TROLLS EVER GET WHAT THEY TELL YOU!!!

ANSWER: NO NEVER!




You just desribed your own serlf and mouth! The things you throw out of your trollish mouth goes only for your self.
If I have Asiatic origin from Caucasus Albania then why don't I plot with the Cacuasian people. why don't I look Caucasian, why don't I speak Udin etc? You are purely retarded and this is shown by what you have just written. You are far worse than Laberia, and as for hateful trolling, aren't you the one who posted photos of Albanian kids crying and said that Albanians should be killed and shit like that....

[Hellenas]

If I have Asiatic origin from Caucasus Albania then why don't I plot with the Cacuasian people. why don't I look Caucasian, why don't I speak Udin etc? You are purely retarded and this is shown by what you have just written. You are far worse than Laberia, and as for hateful trolling, aren't you the one who posted photos of Albanian kids crying and said that Albanians should be killed and shit like that....

Listen you hateful troll, you was the one who called me Pontian and said that I am close genetically with Caucasians by knowing nothing about me, my genetics, my look etc. If you look what you call others or not is not really my business.



aren't you the one who posted photos of Albanian kids crying and said that Albanians should be killed and shit like that....

Once again the Albanian trolls claim Greeks are bad here and attack Albanians without a reason. THE HYPOCRISY OF THE ALBANIAN IS UNBELIEVABLE!!! I posted that because the Albanian piro ilir said that Albanians will do in Greece what they did in Cosovo and that an Albanian army of Skanderbeg will invade Greece. You only mention my answers to his trolling posts!



You are purely retarded

Insult all you want, you only show your 3rd World Balkanian nature!

[Kelmendasi]

Listen you hateful troll, you was the one who called me Pontian and said that I am close genetically with Caucasians by knowing nothing about me, my genetics, my look etc. If you look what you call others or not is not really my business.




Once again the Albanian trolls claim Greeks are bad here and attack Albanians without a reason. THE HYPOCRISY OF THE ALBANIAN IS UNBELIEVABLE!!! I posted that because the Albanian piro ilir said that Albanians will do in Greece what they did in Cosovo and that an Albanian army of Skanderbeg will invade Greece. You only mention my answers to his trolling posts!




Insult all you want, you only show your 3rd World Balkanian nature!
See you cannot answer the question because even you know it's BS and that you are using it for trolling purposes, anyways calling me "hateful" is pure BS since you are the only Greek that I am arguing with and not other Greeks who are fine, but you feel victimized like a little sensitive girl which isn't my problem. I already explained why I called you a Pontian but it seems as if you can't read properly, I do know however that Greek islanders are more eastern shifted. Can you show me where he said that and what you said to him before he posted that? Stop putting exclamation marks like a little kid, you're a grown man ffs start acting like it. You are a Balkanite as well, but you and a few other Greeks here seem to have a complex about that

[Tauromachos]

I called you a Pontian but it seems as if you can't read properly,

You call him Pontian"which he is not by the way" ,so what?

Do you have a problem with Pontians?

If you or other user's do why don't go to some Pontians and tell it to their faces



I do know however that Greek islanders are more eastern shifted. Can you

Even if they are what does it mean

It only shows the stupidity and primitive reasoning of alot of Albanians and Balkanians.

In what sense does being less Eastern makes you better in any regard?
Look at your countries history its full of violence,corruption and *********

Also Albanians are known for criminal behaviour in the rest of Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MX3-51ztk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq3I4uET1wI


They are far ahead before any group of Greek immigrants in the crime statistics.

All we want is just that you leave Greeks wether Mainlanders,Islanders or Greeks with Anatolian Greek ancestry in peace and no one
would bother attacking you or your country

Hellena's posted these videos after a trollish user piro illir called West Anatolian Greeks Armenians,Turks and claimed he is more Greek than them
and after he claimed that all the Neolithic population of Greece became extinct by IE Invadors from Albania..

[Kelmendasi]

You call him Pontian"which he is not by the way" ,so what?

Do you have a problem with Pontians?

If you or other user's do why don't go to some Pontians and tell it to their faces



Even if they are what does it mean

It only shows the stupidity and primitive reasoning of alot of Albanians and Balkanians.

In what sense does being less Eastern makes you better in any regard?
Look at your countries history its full of violence,corruption and *********

Also Albanians are known for criminal behaviour in the rest of Europe.
[ideo=youtube;x7MX3-51ztk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MX3-51ztk[/video]
[video=youtube;Lq3I4uET1wI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq3I4uET1wI[/vdeo]


They are far ahead before any group of Greek immigrants in the crime statistics.

All we want is just that you leave Greeks wether Mainlanders,Islanders or Greeks with Anatolian Greek ancestry in peace and no one
would bother attacking you or your country

Hellena's posted these videos after a trollish user piro illir called West Anatolian Greeks Armenians,Turks and claimed he is more Greek than them
and after he claimed that all the Neolithic population of Greece became extinct by IE Invadors from Albania..
I am seriously beginning to think that you cannot read properly, I already explained why I called Hellenas a Pontian but for some reason you still bring this up, never said I have a problem with Pontians and actually bring in context before you start babbling on. I said that Pontians were eastern shifted which they are and if you have a problem with this then it's your own complex and problem. Oh stop it with this "say it to their faces" bullshit, it just makes you seem childish as we are on an online forum. Again who said it's a problem that islanders are eastern shifted? This clearly just shows your own complexes about shifting to the east, Greeks are also Balkan so idk why you lot make yourself seems as if you aren't. The fact that you bring in crime just shows that you have nothing else to talk about so you bring in crime to somewhat justify what you are saying even though there is no link whatsoever with what I said which is just plain stupid. Also aren't you and Hellenas now "ganging up" lol, before you were crying about it when Albanians did the same thing, just shows your hypocrisy and how much you like to play the victim card. Also it's interesting how you don't talk when Hellenas or someone else isn't there to back you up

[Kouros]

If Greeks are swarthy, that's no fault of Caucasus. Caucasus component is quite light and definitely lighter than Mediterranean component.

Pontic Greeks which are genetically/ancestrally Laz Georgian and south Georgian are still darker than your average mainland Greek. I don't know why you keep bringing this up anyway, its not even related to the thread topic.

[Tauromachos]

Pontic Greeks which are genetically/ancestrally Laz Georgian and south Georgian are still darker than your average mainland Greek. I don't know why you keep bringing this up anyway, its not even related t

Both dark and light types exist among groups of Caucasus people

Why are you claiming that Pontic Greeks come from Laz people?

This hasn't been proved in studies of genetics i have seen in the past.
Also that Pontian Greeks are darker than other Greeks or Balkanians in general is rubbish.

I doubt you know anything about the history about Greeks in Pontus.
I know that Laz but even Georgians for that manner were often hostile towards Greeks from Pontus.
Laz participated in the ethnic cleansings of Greeks from Pontus conducted by the Turks.

Laz never spoke Greek but they have their own languege"Lazuri" which is a Georgian dialect.

If Pontic Greeks are Laz why do they speak a Greek dialect which is even more similar to Ancient Greek than alot of other Greek dialects of today.?

[Kouros]

post
I don't think Laz ever participated against genocide towards Pontic Greeks. Actually, a good portion of the Laz in the area that still spoke their own language eventually assimilated into Pontus and adopted Greek to avoid conversion to Islam by the Turks. When Greeks colonized Colchis, Pontus, and black sea region in 800BC there were not enough colonists to alter the makeup of the native population in any significant way.

What matters is that the cultural impact was big enough so that they retained their language and identity. I don't think I know what you're talking about anyway. By the way "Lazi", "Lazaridis", and "Georgiadis" are all relatively common Pontian surnames. Of course I consider them Greek, but you would be dumb to claim they are anywhere near other Greeks in terms of genetics. In terms of phenotype they are diverse, usually Taurid/Mtebid, Med, or Alpine but on average darker than Greeks from the mainland.

[Hellenas]

See you cannot answer the question because even you know it's BS and that you are using it for trolling purposes, anyways calling me "hateful" is pure BS since you are the only Greek that I am arguing with and not other Greeks who are fine, but you feel victimized like a little sensitive girl which isn't my problem. I already explained why I called you a Pontian but it seems as if you can't read properly, I do know however that Greek islanders are more eastern shifted. Can you show me where he said that and what you said to him before he posted that? Stop putting exclamation marks like a little kid, you're a grown man ffs start acting like it. You are a Balkanite as well, but you and a few other Greeks here seem to have a complex about that

You keep trolling troll, you keep presenting white for black and black for white, you keep instulting/offending like another subhuman Albanian street person, you keep pretending the victim while you Albanians first attack Greeks in this forum and most of you admit you are Greek haters, then after our answers you come, as hypocrites that you are, pretending the victims.

What is exactly the question, if you are Asiatic and why I asked if you are Asiatic after you calling me Asiatic? Lol. I don't even know who or what you are but I do know you are a liar by claiming that you called me Pontian because you though I was one, as some posts before in the same thread I explained I am not a Pontian but Mainlander/West Aegean Anatolian Greek. Besides that you also know my age that has been said in older threads/posts. You knew very well I am not a Pontian and you trolled.


I do know however that Greek islanders are more eastern shifted.


Again who said it's a problem that islanders are eastern shifted? This clearly just shows your own complexes about shifting to the east,

Dream on...

Aegean islanders are so Europeans genetically as rest of Greeks are. Mainland Greeks are 92-94% Europeans, Aegean Islanders 91-92%, the difference is insignificant.


According to the genetic site eupedia.com:

Northern Greeks(Thrace & Macedonia) : 93,7 % European
Central Greeks(Epirus & Thessaly) : 92,2 % European
Southern Greeks(Sterea Hellas & Peloponnese) : 93,9 % European
Eastern Greeks(Aegean islands & Ionia) : 91,7% European
Cretan Greeks(Crete) : 91,1 % European

All Greeks : 93,4 % European"

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t994640-13/?postcount=126#post11562743

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/printthread.php?t=26644&pp=25&page=1


piro ilir came to this forum to attack Greeks and instead Albanians to stop him, they attacked to me(including you) because I answered with the same way he spoke about Greeks.

See piro ilir's last post:


Archaeologist Manfred Bietak conducted extensive research on ancient Greek civilizations and their connections to ancient Egypt. Bietak unearthed evidence from artwork as early as 7000 B.C. that depicts the early people inhabiting Greece were of African descent. The Minoan culture of Ancient Greece reached its peak at about 1600 B.C. They were known for their vibrant cities, opulent palaces and established trade connections. Minoan artwork is recognized as a major era of visual achievement in art history. Pottery, sculptures and frescoes from the Minoan Bronze age grace museum displays all over the world. Palace ruins indicate remnants of paved roads and piped water systems.



You are a Balkanite as well, but you and a few other Greeks here seem to have a complex about that

The complex is of Albanians because a lot of Greeks, if not more, do not identify with Balkans(Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs etc) but with south Italians, feeling south European-Mediterraneans and not Balkanians.


like a little sensitive girl

you're a grown man ffs start acting like it

I told you, the insults and offends someone throws to others goes for himself, usually people accuse people for things they feel insecure.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbsVkIrW8AAVAgS.jpg


By calling me a "Pontian" and Greek Islanders "eastern shifted" and "having complexes about it" it also show you also are here to troll the Greeks.

[Jack_vorobey]

What a crybaby that Hellenas dude.

[Kelmendasi]

Wtf did I just read

[Cristiano viejo]

You can also see average score for Iberia, Italy etc. They all come out as less ''European'' than Albania.

Not only this but the East Europe on AncestryDNA is not of Slavic source which is why Greeks also come out more Slavic than Albanians on 23andme.

How is this? Spain scores 96,8% Euro and Albania 96,4% :thumb001:

[Hellenas]

What a crybaby that Hellenas dude.

You obviously have a low IQ if that's what you understood! They accuse me and Greeks for things that are completely false, I explain what stands for real and I am a "crybaby" for doing so... lol, you either are a kid or your brain don't work properly! ...Then all accused people in all courts of the world who defend themselves are "crybabies", lol, never heard anything more hilarious!

[Tauromachos]

You obviously have a low IQ if that's what you understood! They accuse me and Greeks for things that are completely false, I explain what stands for real and I am a "crybaby" for doing so... lol, you either are a kid or your brain don't work properly! ...Then all accused people in all courts of the world who defend themselves are "crybabies", lol, never heard anything more hilarious!

I'm pretty sure this guy is another Albanian who posts here with fake identity :lol:

Why should a Bellarussian be interested in making such a comment in this thread? :lol:

Or mind meddling in here at all since the thread is about Albanians

[Hellenas]

I'm pretty sure this guy is another Albanian who posts here with fake identity :lol:

Why should a Bellarussian be interested in making such a comment in this thread? :lol:

Or mind meddling in here at all since the thread is about Albanians

:thumb001: Lol, he has 11 posts!

[Bosniensis]

I'm pretty sure this guy is another Albanian who posts here with fake identity :lol:

Why should a Bellarussian be interested in making such a comment in this thread? :lol:

Or mind meddling in here at all since the thread is about Albanians

laberia, epirot and other banned members probably stalking ...

[Bosniensis]

I'm pretty sure this guy is another Albanian who posts here with fake identity :lol:

Why should a Bellarussian be interested in making such a comment in this thread? :lol:

Or mind meddling in here at all since the thread is about Albanians

laberia, epirot and other banned members probably stalking ...

[paradox]

I scored exactly 20% caucasus on Ancestry. My dad scored only 8%. My mother who is from Crete must have high component of this. What is the average for Crete?

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