Alexander on Albanian coins

[Lek]

The currency of Albania was also named after him , Lek , which is the Albanian version for Alexander.

http://i1.wp.com/gazeta-shqip.com/lajme/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/monedha-te-prodhuara-nga-Italia-per-Shqiperine-pas-marreveshjes-se-vitit-1927.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8NVCpCg.jpg


Greece has no right to be the only people to claim this person as their historical figure.

He is considered a national hero in Albania along side Pyrrhus.

Even Skanderbeg and Barleti considered them as such.

[nightrider+]

A-lek-os

[Crn Volk]

Alexander had quite a bit of Illyrian blood in him, so sure why not.

[Queen B]

Poor Albos, no hero of their own. :patpat:

[Maintenance]

The jelousy..

[nightrider+]

Alexander had quite a bit of Illyrian blood in him

Source?

[Lek]

Source?

His mother was Epirotan , by Strabo they were said to be related to Ilyrians, and not Greeks. He never considered them as Greek.

From his father side he had also Ilyrian blood and many of the Macedonians had Thracian blood too.

[Thanas Django]

Albanian currency is such a joke.

The coins are made of tin and are easily bendable and even rust. The metal the coins are made of is worth more than the currency. The gypsies melt the coins and sell the metal and get more money than if they kept the currency itself and spent it.

[nightrider+]

His mother was Epirotan , by Strabo they were said to be related to Ilyrians, and not Greeks. He never considered them as Greek.

From his father side he had also Ilyrian blood and many of the Macedonians had Thracian blood too.She was Molossian. Molossians were Greek.

I was going to ask a source on Philip having Illyrian blood too but I get the feeling the logic behind it goes like this:
"Look, they were neighbors, they must have had some of their neighbors' blood, right? Right?"

[Thanas Django]

She was Molossian. Molossians were Greek.

I was going to ask a source on Philip having Illyrian blood too but I get the feeling the logic behind it goes like this:
"Look, they were neighbors, they must have had some of their neighbors' blood, right? Right?"

Everyone forgets that I am the only inheritor of Alexander's legacy.

source: pants behemoth

[Tauromachos]

Greece has no right to be the only people to claim this person as their historical figure.

He is considered a national hero in Albania along side Pyrrhus.

Even Skanderbeg and Barleti considered them as such.

Who cares or gives a fuck!

[Bosniensis]

Alexander lived over 2500 years ago, there is no proof that he actually wasn't Albanian.

The fact that today some nation named "Greeks" who speak "Greek" exist doesn't mean they represent Hellenic Civilization that spread from India to Britain.

[Tauromachos]

Alexander lived over 2500 years ago, there is no proof that he actually wasn't Albanian.


There is no proof that he was one.

His genealogy tree also are Argeads ,a Royal dynasty who descend from Mycanean Greeks who came from the South to Macedonia

[Bosniensis]

There is no proof that he was one.

His genealogy tree also are Agiads a royal dynasty who descend from Mycanean Greeks who came from the South to Macedonia

Well never the less... he was ruler of entire Balkans, Anatolia and Easter countries.

He used to unite peoples and he was not nationalist.

Hellenic Culture was present in Albania and is part of Albanian Heritage therefore you can't deny them right to remember Alexander the Great.

Alexander was a Hellene, therefore he identified himself with all Hellenic peoples not exclusively mainland Greeks.

Hellenes were Romans, Anatolians, Celts, Thracians, Illyrians, etc... they were all Hellenic Culture.

Today, Hellenic Culture is DEAD... and Greeks have identified it exclusively to themselves which is of course nationalism and wrong.

[Queen B]

Lol @ our neighbors pathetic attempts :rotfl:

[Bosniensis]

Lol @ our neighbors pathetic attempts :rotfl:

What if Italians put Alexander the Great on their Coins and called you all Liars and thiefs?

We all know that Italians are Hellenic people from Peloponese and Anatolia.

How can you identify Hellenic with modern Greece only... Hellenic World was enormous.

[Lek]

Alexander isn't a historical Greek figure. His empire was multicultural. He had Persians in his army even, he adopted Persian costumes and his men even took Persian wives. He had thousands of Ilyrians in his army. And thousands of Thracians. And thousands of Macedonians that were probably some Thrako-Ilyrian mix. Greeks weren't the only people that contributed to his empire. Actually thousands of Greeks fought against him on the Persian side. There wasn't some type of Greek consciousness. Pyrrhus was an Epirotan. The Epirotans by Strabo were described as Non Greeks.

Alexander and Pyrrhus simply remain ancient Balkanic Icons that Greeks do not have any more right to claim than any other population.

[Queen B]

What if Italians put Alexander the Great on their Coins and called you all Liars and thiefs?
We all know that Italians are Hellenic people from Peloponese and Anatolia.
How can you identify Hellenic with modern Greece only... Hellenic World was enormous.
It is as absurd as it is for the rest of our neighbors.

[Tauromachos]

Well never the less... he was ruler of entire Balkans, Anatolia and Easter countries.

He used to unite peoples and he was not nationalist.

Hellenic Culture was present in Albania and is part of Albanian Heritage therefore you can't deny them right to remember Alexander the Great.

Albanians are the ones who are nationalist and rascist against Hellenes and anything Hellenic.

If they want to be Hellenic and claim Hellenic history they should give up their barbaric insignificant language and speak Greek again
as most parts of Albania used to be North West Greek speaking regions.

They should stop their rascist slander against West Anatolian Greeks calling them Non Greek Armenians e.c.t

West Anatolian Greeks were much more significant to Hellenism than Albania and are superior in Intelligence and culture to
Albanians

End

[Lek]

Lol @ our neighbors pathetic attempts :rotfl:

To you everything seems to be a pathetic attempt. Actually, Albanians had Alexander and Pyrrhus as national heroes since Skanderbegs time at the very least. As far as we can record it. I guess it must of been a pathetic attempt. There are a lot of historical figures we have in our folklore which is a sign that these characters had an impact on us. For example we Albanians also have poems of Milos Obilic in our folklore , some knight that sacrificed himself in the Battle of Kosovo 1389. By various authors he was proposed to be a Vlach or Albanian.

[Thanas Django]

Actually, Albanians had Alexander and Pyrrhus as national heroes since Skanderbegs time at the very least.

When I was little my hero was Donald Duck. How can Disney claim copyright on my hero since childhood at the very least.

[Lek]

Albanians are the ones who are nationalist and rascist against Hellenes and anything Hellenic.

If they want to be Hellenic and claim Hellenic history they should give up their barbaric insignificant language and speak Greek again
as most parts of Albania used to be North West Greek speaking regions.

They should stop their rascist slander against West Anatolian Greeks calling them Non Greek Armenians e.c.t

West Anatolian Greeks were much more significant to Hellenism than Albania and are superior in Intelligence and culture to
Albanians

End

Hahahaha Hellenic history.

So many different populations contributed to Alexanders empire and your telling me its Hellenic history in the end

We have had Alexander as hero since atleast Skanderbegs time, back then we had no quarrels with Greeks in the first place. Its obvious our ancestors were part of this characters army and marched all the way to India. This is also what Skanderbeg says.

[Queen B]

To you everything seems to be a pathetic attempt. Actually, Albanians had Alexander and Pyrrhus as national heroes since Skanderbegs time at the very least. As far as we can record it. I guess it must of been a pathetic attempt. There are a lot of historical figures we have in our folklore which is a sign that these characters had an impact on us. For example we Albanians also have poems of Milos Obilic in our folklore , some knight that sacrificed himself in the Battle of Kosovo 1389.
The fact that they had an impact to you, doesn't mean that they are Albanian. Alexander the Great had an impact everywhere he step foot on, as well as some many other historical figures from antiquity since modern times.
Pathetic impact is '' he might have ancestry of his mother's father blablabla'' so therefore he is Albanian, that's pathetic.
Pathetic is also ''we have him on our currency, so he is ours''
Pathetic is also trying to discredit everything Greek on them, so you can ''fight'' who will take it then. All these years here, and this is all I read about. Discrediting everything Greek, and the worst of that, there is no proof.

[Lek]

A quote from George Finlay

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6WevIcM21-0/hqdefault.jpg

[Tauromachos]

Hahahaha Hellenic history.

So many different populations contributed to Alexanders empire and your telling me its Hellenic history in the end


Yes it is
Alexander's empires culture was Hellenic/Hellenistic and the official language was Greek.

Alexander recieved classical Greek education,he was trained by the philosopher Greek Aristotelis.

All Greek city states participated in Alexanders conquest except the Spartans becuase they wanted to be the leaders and Alexander
refused that role to them.


Alexander came from a royal family of Macedonian Greeks who belonged to the Argead Dynasty which had their origins in
Argos"Peloponnese"


Alexander III of Macedon descended from the Argead dynasty. The Argead dynasty claimed descent from the Temenids of Argos, in the Peloponnese, whose legendary ancestor was Temenus, the great-great-grandson of Heracles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

[Thanas Django]

A quote from George Finlay

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6WevIcM21-0/hqdefault.jpg

A quote from Thanas Django

" I used to read Mickey Mouse comics all the time, my favourite hero was Donald Duck"

[Tauromachos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ws68s0Vlp0

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Mother of Alexander the Great was Epirote who in ancient accounts they were referred/regarded as barbarians, a well known definition for non Greeks.


The Epirotes, The 5th-century BC Athenian historian Thucydides describes them as "barbarians" in his History of the Peloponnesian War,[16] as does Strabo in his Geography.

Modern greeks are stuck up with their history that keep on claiming non Greek elements, even Arvanites are not saved from their nationalistic agendas, just figure.

[nightrider+]

Mother of Alexander the Great was Epirote who in ancient accounts they were referred/regarded as barbarians, a well known definition for non Greeks.


She was Greek, her name was Polyxeni (100% Greek etymologically and still used today). There's no getting around this fact.

[Queen B]

Mother of Alexander the Great was Epirote who in ancient accounts they were referred/regarded as barbarians, a well known definition for non Greeks.
Modern greeks are stuck up with their history that keep on claiming non Greek elements, even Arvanites are not saved from their nationalistic agendas, just figure.
1) Athenians also called other Athenians as barbarians. And athenians called non-Athenians as barbarians as well. So according to your logic, neither was Greek.
2) Mother of Alexander was a Mollosian. Mollosians (and Epirotes in general) were Greek tribes.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

1) Athenians also called other Athenians as barbarians. And athenians called non-Athenians as barbarians as well. So according to your logic, neither was Greek.
2) Mother of Alexander was a Mollosian. Mollosians (and Epirotes in general) were Greek tribes.

Wrong.

[Bosniensis]

She was Greek, her name was Polyxeni (100% Greek etymologically and still used today). There's no getting around this fact.

My Grand Grand Father was called Alexander, Michael etc...

But today it's Mehmed, Osman etc...

The sheer fact that your people are being called by Greek names and speak Greek language means absolutely nothing.

Even Persians had Greek names at some point.

The claims of Greek that they represent a Hellenic Civilization is ridiculous. Of Course, modern Greeks are Hellens... but Hellenes is a wide term for many many peoples not just Mainland Greeks rofl.

Alexander the Great could easily be Grand Father of Italians, Turks, Albanians, Northern Egyptians etc...

[nightrider+]

My Grand Grand Father was called Alexander, Michael etc...

But today it's Mehmed, Osman etc...

The sheer fact that your people are being called by Greek names and speak Greek language means absolutely nothing.

Even Persians had Greek names at some point.

The claims of Greek that they represent a Hellenic Civilization is ridiculous. Of Course, modern Greeks are Hellens... but Hellenes is a wide term for many many peoples not just Mainland Greeks rofl.

Alexander the Great could easily be Grand Father of Italians, Turks, Albanians, Northern Egyptians etc...

The only thing this thread was missing is you.

[Bosniensis]

The only thing this thread was missing is you.

We need to discover this:

"How many Africans have been Hellenized from 4th to 15th century and incorporated into Hellenic World"

How many Africans has Heraclius brought to Greece in 6th century to fight Persians

etc...

How many Hellenes has been Turkified?

How many Hellenes has been Germanized in Italy?

How many Hellenes has been Arabized...


That's why we research Genetics so we can uncover TRUE Mycenian Hellenes and eventually to uncover imposters.

[Lavrentis]

Για ποιο λογο απαντατε σε αυτα τα threads; Δεν θα βγαλετε ακρη με αυτους, καλυτερα να τους αγνοησετε. Οι Βαλκανιοι δεν θα βαρεθουν ποτε να σας τρολαρουν, σταματηστε να απαντατε

[Queen B]

Wrong.
Not wrong.

[Wrong]

Hypocrisy stronk from cybernautic:



Albanians are the ones who are nationalist and rascist against Hellenes and anything Hellenic.

If they want to be Hellenic and claim Hellenic history they should give up their barbaric insignificant language and speak Greek again
as most parts of Albania used to be North West Greek speaking regions.

They should stop their rascist slander against West Anatolian Greeks calling them Non Greek Armenians e.c.t

West Anatolian Greeks were much more significant to Hellenism than Albania and are superior in Intelligence and culture to
Albanians

End

What sort of subhuman individuals revel in the suffering of children and innocents? Hellenas and cybernautic. The banhammer should be on you both.

Kek @ pulling the racist card on Albanians, when you yourself support racist posts towards Albanians and support posters such as this:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPPbOXqYK68


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43IB7b4p_kg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV8NA4934-g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JWfFCnoIXU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRc_mrXmS5s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V03KEYtAekg&t=118s


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6a/dc/1a/6adc1a92ab5fe36b652a6774d206cbf3--serbian-greece.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/96DUARx.png?1

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bWu_OhBJ6bU/TtJ_MxygYcI/AAAAAAAACSQ/d2RSYSJbOls/s1600/248961_105425546219203_100002552740522_40926_61372 85_n.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/fb/d7/cbfbd7113639ab6a5da6ba2ad2b5d237.jpg

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/cyprus-problem.jpg

https://pics.onsizzle.com/serbians-were-here-holding-the-greek-cypriot-flag-~redboss-1617214.png

http://www.serbia-hellas.com/images/pilots.jpg

https://img00.deviantart.net/29ae/i/2012/004/9/e/albanian_turkish_friendship_by_ay_deezy-d4l95og.png

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7dFW325mIIk/hqdefault.jpg

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57cdf073/turbine/sdut-46-kosovo-albanians-slain-in-1999-are-reburied-2014mar26

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ethnic-albanian-girls-from-the-village-of-donje-prekaze-cry-as-they-picture-id151978435

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/11910298_105199566499861_506776803_n.jpg?ig_cache_ key=MTA1Mjg2NDM2ODc3NTU1NzExNA%3D%3D.2

You gonna pay for turning to enemies your saviors, the Greeks, who saved you from starvation since 1990, you hungry and ungrateful animals.

Albanians gonna cry with black tears... soon or later!


The Albanian hungry animals come in Greece since 1990 to get feeded by Greeks and live like human beings and that's what we get back.

https://i1.wp.com/thesprotianow.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Untitled-5_33.jpg?resize=620%2C400

http://www.lifo.gr/icache/860/573/1/1101613_614657_Untitled-49_3.jpg


But Greeks will not forget this ungrateful people.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/albanian-students-burn-a-greek-national-flag-as-they-protest-in-front-picture-id98117073

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WypiCoS58hw/Th7scJo7c3I/AAAAAAAAA_A/zQwspLdIWdE/s1600/cypro-is-not-turkey.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD2ujEeHY4



Italians knew better what they deserve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUok2sBsqew

[Tauromachos]

Hypocrisy stronk from cybernautic:




What sort of subhuman individuals revel in the suffering of children and innocents? Hellenas and cybernautic. The banhammer should be on you both.


Find any quote where i posted this.

These videos were not posted be me,why are you mentioning my name?

[Wrong]

Find any quote where i posted this.

These videos were not posted be me,why are you mentioning my name?
Thumb-ups alone is a fact of support in this regard. We know that you support Hellenas in every regard, even against the better Greek posters.

[Thanas Django]

Thumb-ups alone is a fact of support in this regard. We know that you support Hellenas in every regard, even against the better Greek posters.

We need to find a middle ground where we can have a serious discussion about what matters.

[Tauromachos]

Thumb-ups alone is a fact of support in this regard. We know that you support Hellenas in every regard, even against the better Greek posters.

I didn't thumbed up the post where he linked pictures of the childrens and victims of the Kosovo war.

You linked videos and pictures of two different posts from him together.


I support him in respect to many regards and i don't feel ashamed of it.
He should get thumbs up from other Greek users as well for many posts he does"not all"

[Kelmendasi]

She was Molossian. Molossians were Greek.

I was going to ask a source on Philip having Illyrian blood too but I get the feeling the logic behind it goes like this:
"Look, they were neighbors, they must have had some of their neighbors' blood, right? Right?"
I'm pretty sure that it's believed that the father of Phillip's mother called Sirras was of Illyrian origin.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lJ0uDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=Sirras+father+of+Eurydice&source=bl&ots=V51zBVInG8&sig=wIPHlt98dUIs3cddRRmxuN3TL2c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi79qOmqvvZAhXiC8AKHZbbALkQ6AEISTAD#v=on epage&q=Sirras&f=false

[Astarte]

His mother was Epirotan , by Strabo they were said to be related to Ilyrians, and not Greeks. He never considered them as Greek.

From his father side he had also Ilyrian blood and many of the Macedonians had Thracian blood too.

His mom was Angelina Jolie, duh!

[wvwvw]

Alexander had quite a bit of Illyrian blood in him, so sure why not.

Wishful thinking. Alexander was an Argive on his father side and on his mothers side he was Aeolian Greek descended from Achilles.

Molossians
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molossians

Not a single quote from ancient sources exist where an ancient Macedonian identifies himself as an Illyrian. In fact Macedonians never regarded Illyrians as their kinsmen. Alexander the Great left no doubt as to who the Ancient Macedonians were by emphasizing the Otherness of the Illyrians, in contrast with the Macedonian acknowledgement of being Greek.

Besides ancient Greek, Roman, Jewish, Persian sources always seperate ancient Macedonians and Illyrians. The ancient sources leave no doubt that the ancients saw among Macedonians and Illyrians not only two alien people, but the persistent source-tradition portrays Illyrians as the greatest enemies of Macedonians. Illyrian incursions in Macedonian territory was a frequent phenomenon before Philip’s Reign. During Perdiccas and Brasidas joint expedition, their Illyrian Allies changed sides without scruples and became the chief instrument or the explulsion of the Macedonian expeditionary force. Alexander the Great, in the battle of Pelium (335 BC) defeated the Illyrian forces of Glaukias and Cleitus. The persistent armed conflicts between the two rival people kept up during Hellenistic ages till the Roman Occupation.

Furthermore the Illyrian tribes were never assimilated by the Macedonians, and their land was not taken into the administrative borders of the Macedonian districts established in 167 BC. So, although the Illyrians at Lychnitis were conquered by Philip II in 358 BC, the ethnic border between the Illyrians, on one side, and the Paeonians and Macedonians, on the other, always lay to the east of Lake Ochrid- ancient Lychnitis, and the Dassaretis area respectively (224–230; 1985; e.g. Livy XXXII 9, wrote that the Illyrian Dasaretioi were the neighbours of the Macedonian Lynkestai).

All Ancient soutces refer to Macedonia as a Greek state:

Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip"

To YOU (Philip) AND ALL THE OTHER Hellenes unless the GREATEST STATES OF HELLAS should resolve to put an end to their mutual quarrels and carry the war beyond our borders into Asia and should determine to wrest from the barbarians the advantages which they now think it proper to get for themselves at the expense of the Hellenes

Curtius also speaks about Macedonia as a state of Greece

Quote:
Alexander was recognized the future of Macedonia as depending on her intimate connection with the other Hellenic states.
The city of Pella began to be not only the ‘greatest city in Macedonia’,but a centre of Greek culture (Curtius-The History of Greece Vol. 2 Book)

(Diodorus Sikeliotis, 16-95)

“Is considered this king (Philip) began his monarchy with the bad conditions and he conquered the bigger monarchy of HELLENES [GREEKS]: Macedonia, increasing the hegemony no so much with the heroism of arms, as long as with the skilful handlings and his diplomacy.”

Joseph M. Bryant, Moral codes and social structure in ancient Greece,
The Macedonians were of Greek stock, though for centuries they had remained outside the mainstream of Hellenic civilization.

In less than four years he (Filippos) had transformed Macedonia from a backward and primitive kingdom ”’to one of the most powerful states in Greece”’”
(Peter Green page 8-9)

Mortimer Chambers (1997) “The Western Experience”,
page 79,
Macedonia (or Macedon) was an ancient, somewhat backward kingdom in northern Greece. Its emergence as a Hellenic (Greek) power was due to a resourceful king, Philip II (359-336)

J.J. Pollitt Art and Experience in Classical Greece
The Macedonians were Greeks, but their loose feudal kingdom the northern border of the Greek world had always been regarded as culturally backward.

"Alexander was king of Macedon, one of the states of Greece. He first conquered the other Grecian states, & then Persia, & India, & other countries one by one till the whole known world was conquered by him"
Plutarchos [Loeb FC Babbitt]

[nightrider+]

I'm pretty sure that it's believed that the father of Phillip's mother called Sirras was of Illyrian origin.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lJ0uDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=Sirras+father+of+Eurydice&source=bl&ots=V51zBVInG8&sig=wIPHlt98dUIs3cddRRmxuN3TL2c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi79qOmqvvZAhXiC8AKHZbbALkQ6AEISTAD#v=on epage&q=Sirras&f=false

Possible but doubtful. There's very little evidence (if any).

The problem with all these people is that they wanted to be Greek anyway, it's like modern people peripheral to NW Europe (like Finns, Poles etc) that want to be associated with it.

Even Argeads themselves claimed Peloponnesian origins, that's were the all the glamour was (Southern Greece).

[wvwvw]

His mother was Epirotan , by Strabo they were said to be related to Ilyrians, and not Greeks. He never considered them as Greek.

From his father side he had also Ilyrian blood and many of the Macedonians had Thracian blood too.

There is no evidence the Epirotes weren’t Greek. And why would the most important centre of Zeus cult be located in Epirus if it was not Greek.

[wvwvw]

Possible but doubtful. There's very little evidence (if any).

The problem with all these people is that they wanted to be Greek anyway, it's like modern people peripheral to NW Europe (like Finns, Poles etc) that want to be associated with it.

Even Argeads themselves claimed Peloponnesian origins, that's were the all the glamour was (Southern Greece).

Read Thucydides histories

[2.99.3]

The country on the sea coast, now called Macedonia, was first acquired by Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his ancestors, originally Temenids from Argos.

The Makedonians they became known under this name after the Trojan war, they remained where they were, known under other names, from there they arrived in Thessaly where they became known as Hellenes ...from there they went back to Pindus where they became known as Macedones and from there they ended up in Peloponnesos and they became known as Dorians.

Macedonia was ruled by a monarch surrounded wit an aristocracy of knights very much like the Homeric model.

[Dimos]

Skopjans, some Albos, a muslim slav and their obsession with Greek history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDzlhW3XTM

[ShenGjergj]

Poor Albos, no hero of their own. :patpat:

We have at least Gjergj Kastrioti and believe me that's more than enough.

[Trilecce]

The currency of Albania was also named after him , Lek , which is the Albanian version for Alexander.

http://i1.wp.com/gazeta-shqip.com/lajme/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/monedha-te-prodhuara-nga-Italia-per-Shqiperine-pas-marreveshjes-se-vitit-1927.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8NVCpCg.jpg


Greece has no right to be the only people to claim this person as their historical figure.

He is considered a national hero in Albania along side Pyrrhus.

Even Skanderbeg and Barleti considered them as such.

He was a greek speaker. Spreading hellenism all the way to the Indus river. He considered himself greek, hes teacher Aristotle was greek. His role model and hero (hwo far surpassed) Achilles was also greek. The one who gave him the idea of invading Persia (Xenophon) was also greek. I am proud to honor Alexander, but i can never claim that he is anything but greek.

[Trilecce]

Poor Albos, no hero of their own. :patpat:

Skenderbeg is for defence what Alexander is for offence. 400'000 turks killed by 15'000 albos is within the same category with Alexandros feats.

[Trilecce]

Alexander lived over 2500 years ago, there is no proof that he actually wasn't Albanian.

The fact that today some nation named "Greeks" who speak "Greek" exist doesn't mean they represent Hellenic Civilization that spread from India to Britain.

One can ask himself, what was an albanian 2500 years ago? Before latin conquest no one knows what pur öanguage even was. My surest bet is that Illyrians and Greeks were related like Swedes and Norwegians. Both speaking a similar paleobalkanic language.

[Trilecce]

There is no evidence the Epirotes weren’t Greek. And why would the most important centre of Zeus cult be located in Epirus if it was not Greek.

If you translate Phosphorus into albanian it becomes Afrodita. Your cult was not only yours. Italians copied all of it for themselves.
But what is interesting is that YOU today do not call this godesses name in greek, but you use the albanian word Afrodita! Phos Phorus is the name of the planet that brings the light. Venus is the planet that shows that the sun is coming. In latin its Venus which means it comes. Please tell me how is it possible that you use this albanian word Afrodita and not the greek Phosphorus, as you once did long time ago.

[Thanas Django]

If you translate Phosphorus into albanian it becomes Afrodita.

https://www.google.de/search?q=phosphorus+etymology&oq=phosphorus+etymology&aqs=chrome..69i57.5164j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As for Aphrodite, Hesiod's theogony gives the explanation http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hes.+Th.+173

[Trilecce]

https://www.google.de/search?q=phosphorus+etymology&oq=phosphorus+etymology&aqs=chrome..69i57.5164j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Afrodita does not mean born from the foam off the shores of Cyprus. If you ask a greek he will say it is somehow related to fros (sea foam). This is not true, before Venus was called Afrodita, it was called Phosphorus, i know exactly what it means, you dont need to translate it to me. BUT if you translate phosphorus inte albanian, you will get AFRODITA. Explain this to me.

My guess is that this changed maybe with the Macedonian conquests.

[Trilecce]

https://www.google.de/search?q=phosphorus+etymology&oq=phosphorus+etymology&aqs=chrome..69i57.5164j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As for Aphrodite, Hesiod's theogony gives the explanation http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hes.+Th.+173

This is the meaning of Aphrodita/Phosphorus:
https://www.windows2universe.org/venus/morning_star.html

The most probable reason for why its associated with love and sex, is because the man who is a healthy man gets really hard and horny in the morning. And if a woman is near, they will have sex. Thus why the morning star is a symbol of eros, love.

[Thanas Django]

BUT if you translate phosphorus inte albanian, you will get AFRODITA. Explain this to me.

https://translate.google.de/#auto/sq/phosphorus

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[Thanas Django]

This is the meaning of Aphrodita/Phosphorus:
https://www.windows2universe.org/venus/morning_star.html

Maybe you are confusing things. Aphrodite was a goddess the Greeks copied from Semitic peoples. (Ishtar/Astarte).

Eosphorus/Phosphorus was a Greek name given to Satan in the old testament.

[Trilecce]

https://translate.google.de/#auto/sq/phosphorus

?

Google translate uses tosk albanian, and when you translate Phosphorous it does not break it down, but instead it translates the atomic substance of Phosphorous, which is fosfor in many other languages not only albanian.

This is gheg:
Afro = Bring closer / Come closer
Dita = The day
Drita = The light

[Trilecce]

Maybe you are confusing things. Aphrodite was a goddess the Greeks copied from Semitic peoples. (Ishtar/Astarte).

Eosphorus/Phosphorus was a Greek name given to Satan in the old testament.

Phosphorus was the name of the planet Venus in ancient times, today its Afrodita. Phos = Drita, Phoros = Afro.

[Thanas Django]

Google translate uses tosk albanian, and when you translate Phosphorous it does not break it down, but instead it translates the atomic substance of Phosphorous, which is fosfor in many other languages not only albanian.

This is gheg:
Afro = Bring closer / Come closer
Dita = The day
Drita = The light

The next question is then, how does Aphrodite, a semitic origin goddess of fertility, bring the light?

Also, do you know how Aphrodite was worshipped in Cyprus? (irrelevant question, but you know, exchanging knowledge)

[Queen B]

If you translate Phosphorus into albanian it becomes Afrodita. Your cult was not only yours. Italians copied all of it for themselves.
But what is interesting is that YOU today do not call this godesses name in greek, but you use the albanian word Afrodita! Phos Phorus is the name of the planet that brings the light. Venus is the planet that shows that the sun is coming. In latin its Venus which means it comes. Please tell me how is it possible that you use this albanian word Afrodita and not the greek Phosphorus, as you once did long time ago.
Αφροδίτη is not Albanian. Ιt is from Αφρος+δύω
More importantly, Afroditi isn't a new word, used only in modern times. I don't care what means in Albanian unless you can find a source with the etymology of Afroditi older than Hesiod's? if you can, then I'm all for accepting your side.
Afroditi is the name of the Goddess. Phosphoros is the name of a planet. The name of a Goddess was given to a planet (as in most of planets).

[Trilecce]

The next question is then, how does Aphrodite, a semitic origin goddess of fertility, bring the light?

Also, do you know how Aphrodite was worshipped in Cyprus? (irrelevant question, but you know, exchanging knowledge)

Its not a semitic origin, everyone who has seen the morning star, has admired it. And associated it with gods. This is what Phosphorus, Venus, Afrodita truly means. Its the morning star.

There are caves with stalagtites carved out like penises in Croatia believed to be for an illyrian form of the love godess. Did cypriots do something similar?

[Trilecce]

Αφροδίτη is not Albanian. Ιt is from Αφρος+δύω
More importantly, Afroditi isn't a new word, used only in modern times. I don't care what means in Albanian unless you can find a source with the etymology of Afroditi older than Hesiod's? if you can, then I'm all for accepting your side.
Afroditi is the name of the Goddess. Phosphoros is the name of a planet. The name of a Goddess was given to a planet (as in most of planets).

BUT!!! In ALBANIAN the name of the planet PHOSPHORUS translates into AFRODITA!


TODAY in modern times, YOU CALL THIS PLANET AFRODITA!!! And NOT PHOSPHOROUS! WHY!?

[Thanas Django]

BUT!!! In ALBANIAN the name of the planet PHOSPHORUS translates into AFRODITA!


TODAY in modern times, YOU CALL THIS PLANET AFRODITA!!! And NOT PHOSPHOROUS! WHY!?

You are asking the wrong question, names are given arbitrarily and change from culture to culture.

Instead, you should go all the way back to Ishtar, which is the proto-aphrodite and trace it all the way to the goddess becoming Venus to find the truth.

Your claim is logical, but logic is not that much of an indicator of human history. We do lots of illogical things too.

[Trilecce]

You are asking the wrong question, names are given arbitrarily and change from culture to culture.

Instead, you should go all the way back to Ishtar, which is the proto-aphrodite and trace it all the way to the goddess becoming Venus to find the truth.

Your claim is logical, but logic is not that much of an indicator of human history. We do lots of illogical things too.

Dude, all ancient peoples looked upon the stars wondering what they were and why they were so regular in their paths across the sky. To ancient people, they were spirits, gods and godesses. Affecting humans by their very presence. One effect of the morning star is that the male becomes very horny. If you have a penis you know what happens to it when you wake in the morning. Me personally, when i woke up without a female, I grabbed something to hump, driven by a very strong sexual desire. This happens to every male, everywhere. Greek or semitic, doesnt matter.

In ancient times, this was due to the presence of Aphrodite (the morning star).

[Thanas Django]

unless you can find a source with the etymology of Afroditi older than Hesiod's? if you can, then I'm all for accepting your side.
Afroditi is the name of the Goddess.

Hesiod is a source, and a good one at that. He described what he saw as he understood it and/or others around him explained it to him. The loophole where we are open to look for alternative sources for alternative interpretations is the fact that Hesiod didn't invent Aphrodite.

If trilecce can produce something, we are open to examine it.

[Tauromachos]

Its not a semitic origin, everyone who has seen the morning star, has admired it. And associated it with gods. This is what Phosphorus, Venus, Afrodita truly means. Its the morning star.



How do you know?

Maybe semitic languages come from Albanian

[Trilecce]

Hesiod is a source, and a good one at that. He described what he saw as he understood it and/or others around him explained it to him. The loophole where we are open to look for alternative sources for alternative interpretations is the fact that Hesiod didn't invent Aphrodite.

If trilecce can produce something, we are open to examine it.

How am I to produce anything of such sort? I can only tell you what Phosphorus means in albanian since I understand albanian very well. Whatever the reason behind the fact that Phosphorous means Afrodita in albanian, one can not simply ignore this just because it doesnt fit ones apetite.

[Trilecce]

How do you know?

Maybe semitic languages come from Albanian

It may be a common origin of concept, but not of language (albanian is an IE language). Afro and Dita is very clear and fully intelligable to any albanian speaker living today. But due to albanians being very poor in their mind, no one has ever bothered to ask or te even find out the relation between Phosphorous and Afrodita. No one told this to me, i found it out my self.

[Tauromachos]

It may be a common origin of concept, but not of language (albanian is an IE language). Afro and Dita is very clear and fully intelligable to any albanian speaker living today. But due to albanians being very poor in their mind, no one has ever bothered to ask or te even find out the relation between Phosphorous and Afrodita. No one told this to me, i found it out my self.


How do you exclude the possibility that these words didn't enter Albanian language from Ancient Greek influence?

[Trilecce]

How do you exclude the possibility that these words didn't enter Albanian language from Ancient Greek influence?

Well, you have already words for this (phos and phoros). Afro, is very probably related to greek Phoro. But Dita, i cant stretch my imagination far enough to give it a greek etymology.

I cant give any explanations that says why Phosphorous = Afrodita. All i know is that it is there, whether you like it or not.

[Tauromachos]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238783-Does-Aphrodite-look-Albanian&p=5036027#post5036027

[Trilecce]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238783-Does-Aphrodite-look-Albanian&p=5036027#post5036027

This is Afrodita, or should I say Phosphorous in your language.

https://readersrecommend.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/venus-pacific-levelled-1.jpg

The very meaning of both names comes from this picture, where Afrodita/Phosphoros brings with it the dawn of day.

Even the albanian word for dawn (agim) is related to greek avgi.

[Tauromachos]

This is Afrodita, or should I say Phosphorous in your language.

https://readersrecommend.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/venus-pacific-levelled-1.jpg

She was called Aphroditi by the ancient Greeks

And was part of the Greek Pantheon i personally never heard of the name Phosphorus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite


Aphrodite (/æfrəˈdaɪti/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)<small class="nowrap" style="font-size: 11.9px;"> (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Loudspeaker.svg/11px-Loudspeaker.svg.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-us-Aphrodite.ogg) listen (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/En-us-Aphrodite.ogg))</small> af-rə-DY-tee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key); Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Ἀφροδίτη Aphrodítē) is the ancient Greek goddess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_religion) of love (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love), beauty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty), pleasure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasure), and procreation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procreation). She is identified with the planet Venus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus), which is named after the Roman goddess Venus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_(mythology)), with whom Aphrodite was extensively syncretized (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_graeca). Aphrodite's major symbols include myrtles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrtle_(plant)), roses, doves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove), sparrows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparrow), and swans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan).

[nightrider+]

I'm pretty sure we call her Aphrodite because it's the Greek equivalent of Venus.

I also have a hard time believing that the supposed Albanian etymology of "Afrodita" is not related to the above fact...

[Trilecce]

She was called Aphroditi by the ancient Greeks

And was part of the Greek Pantheon i personally never heard of the name Phosphorus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite

Phosphoros is the ancient name of the planet which you today call Afrodita.

[Trilecce]

I'm pretty sure we call her Aphrodite because it's the Greek equivalent of Venus.

I also have a hard time believing that the supposed Albanian etymology of "Afrodita" is not related to the above fact...

The same with Ionian. Ioni in albanian means "one of us". It is a pan greek way of saying that you are ethnically related, meaning that this person is one of us IONI.

The roman and the greek:

The roman says: Who are you?

The greek says: Ego einai Greko.

The roman says: And who is that person over there?

The greek says: He is one of us (Ioni einai).

Ionia In albanian means a thing that belongs to us. As for example; a piece of land.

[Tauromachos]

Phosphoros is the ancient name of the planet which you today call Afrodita.

Even if this would be true the name Aphrodite was used by the ancient Greeks for the godess.

[Trilecce]

Even if this would be true the name Aphrodite was used by the ancient Greeks for the godess.
Maybe its from dorian greek. Dorains are the earliest known migrants from my georgraphical area to yours.

I truly cant explain why this is, but the mere fact that you use Afrodita instead of your Phosphoros as reference to the morning star is undeniable. And that Phosphorus translates into Afrodita (exact translation) in albanian is not something to be ignored.

[nightrider+]

Maybe its from dorian greek. Dorains are the earliest known migrants from my georgraphical area to yours.

I truly cant explain why this is, but the mere fact that you use Afrodita instead of your Phosphoros as reference to the morning star is undeniable.

Ancient Greeks believed they were two different stars (morning and evening) up until a point. Then they (allegedly Pythagoras) discovered it's just one but I'm not sure what they called it then and if Aphrodite was given by them as a name.

Most of our modern astronomical knowledge is brought from the west anyway, we get teached the west's discoverings, and it's the same for Albanians.

[Tauromachos]

Maybe its from dorian greek. Dorains are the earliest known migrants from my georgraphical area to yours.


There is no proof that Dorians migrated from Albania to Greece

Dorian dialect is related to North West Greek dialects linguistically but geographicaly alot of Ancient Doric speakers were located in Southern
parts of Greece and this includes South Eastern Non Mainland parts"Crete,Rhodes,Kos,South West Asia Minor"

If anything Albanians may be partialy descended from Dorian Greeks considering that Albanians plot between North-Central Italians and Greeks and
are one of the modern populations closest to Mycanaeans along with Italians,Greeks and Greek Cypriots



On a final note, I kept thinking while reading this article that many Greeks will certainly welcome the conclusion that the modern populations most similar to the Mycenaeans are Greeks, Cypriots, Italians, and Albanians.

https://englianos.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/on-genetics-and-the-aegean-bronze-age/

[Trilecce]

Ancient Greeks believed they were two different stars (morning and evening) up until a point. Then they (allegedly Pythagoras) discovered it's just one but I'm not sure what they called it then and if Aphrodite was given by them as a name.

Most of our modern astronomical knowledge is brought from the west anyway, we get teached the west's discoverings, and it's the same for Albanians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)

Much of our asronomical knowledge come from the arabs, and the arabs got it from you... It was your people that made the first mechanical computer to help navigators to track the stars and sail safely over the seas instead of following the coasts.

[Tauromachos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)

Much of our asronomical knowledge come from the arabs, and the arabs got it from you... It was your people that made the first mechanical computer to help navigators to track the stars and sail safely over the seas instead of following the coasts.
:thumb001:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Also interesting apropos

Aphrodite had many other epithets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithet), each emphasizing a different aspect of the same goddess, or used by a different local cult. Thus she was also known as Cytherea (Lady of Cythera) and Cypris (Lady of Cyprus), due to the fact that both locations claimed to be the place of her birth.

[Queen B]

BUT!!! In ALBANIAN the name of the planet PHOSPHORUS translates into AFRODITA!
So? There is one part you don't get. The planets got their names from Gods. Not as a translation to another language.
It wasn't named after Afroditi because it translates to Afrodita to Albanian (a language that didn't exist back then).
It was named after Goddess Afroditi like other planets are named after Ermis, Aris, Kronos, Poseidon,etc.

[Trilecce]

:thumb001:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Also interesting apropos

Whatever name is given to this deity. It does not diminish the fact that Phosphoros means Afrodita in albanian. And that you today call this morning star Afrodita and not Phosphoros as you once did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)

[nightrider+]

Whatever name is given to this deity. It does not diminish the fact that Phosphoros means Afrodita in albanian. And that you today call this morning star Afrodita and not Phosphoros as you once did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)

"Afrodita" (and looking it up, I see it as Afërdita in Albanian) most likely comes from Αφροδίτη/Aphrodite, whatever it came to mean later on.

[Thanas Django]

Whatever name is given to this deity. It does not diminish the fact that Phosphoros means Afrodita in albanian. And that you today call this morning star Afrodita and not Phosphoros as you once did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)

Yes, but (1) what concrete evidence do you have to support your theory?
(2) in the case your theory is correct, what purpose does it fulfil?

[Trilecce]

"Afrodita" (and looking it up, I see it as Afërdita in Albanian) most likely comes from Αφροδίτη/Aphrodite, whatever it came to mean later on.

No no friend, Aferdita means the day is close... AFRODITA means brings the day.

[nightrider+]

No no friend, Aferdita means the day is close... AFRODITA means brings the day.

Interesting, to be honest, even the "rising from foam" Greek etymology is dubious (even though it makes much sense), though I still can't find any use of the word Afrodita in Albanian (only in Spanish).

Also interesting that the Albanian word for day is "dita" which is related to day, dia etc. from other IE Languages (probably through the latin "dies") and even δύση (sunset) from Greek. Words like die/death are probably connected too.

[wvwvw]

Afrodite was no morning star. She was a historical queen of Cythera and Cyprus and real daughter of Ouranos. Ouranos was a real Greek king of the Ectenes tribe and ruled Greece in 1750 BC.

His adoption into IE would have to have been after 1750 BC which is when Ouranos actually reigned over Greece, Asia-Minor, Phoenicia, India as Varuna and the Vikings as Borr.

The so called IndoEuropean religion was concocted at the time of the Thera Eruption Mega Tsunami and was based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine and India by Uranus, Kronos, Zeus and Dionysus. All Indo-European religion as well as the Phoenician religion is derived from those events and the worship of the kings and generals who participated in them. They are all based on the conquest of Europe, Egypt, Palestine, and India by these Greek kings.

The Hindu gods are exactly the same as the Greek gods and the Norse gods, because India was ruled over by Uranus (Varuna or Buri) since 1740 BC and succeeded by Kronos (Brahma or Borr in about 1705 BC) and Zeus (Deyus 
Piter or Ve) in about 1680 BC. In about 1520 BC Dionysus also conquered 
India.

The most advance Indo-European civilisation of this time 
were the Minoan and Mycenaean Greeks. All Indo-European religions and even 
the primary part of the Phoenician and Jewish religion came from them and 
their kings and conquests.

Ouranos was the first who ruled over the whole world. [Apoll. 1.1.1] Even Eusebius clearly says that the Gods were Human Beings and former Kings of Greece, NOT supernatural beings, nor natural forces or an attempt to explain nature, nor a product of allegory, nor a relic of non-existent indo-European beliefs but they were real people and their temples were ware
they were buried.

Later these kings were deified, i.e mystery cults borrowed from Egyptians were attached to their personas. Most of the traditions of the Greek Gods were established when the Greek mystery cults were created with the borrowing of Egyptian ritual during the period between 1500 and 1400 BC when Danaus and the sons of Aegyptus came to Greece.

Each Greek city state had its own kings and queens who were identified with the new Pantheon but the contemporary poets so over time and long before the Trojan War occured these kings and queens were merged with the original Gods. By the time of Herakles birth on November 4 1286 BC Perseus was already being regarded as a son of Zeus and Herakels himself became a God in his own right somewhere between 1226 and 1150 BC in a manner much like the way Julius Caesar and Augustus were made into Gods.

All these Greek Gods are the former kings of Greece who ruled during the time of the Cretan Palace Civilisation and the Incachid/Achaean/Hellenic civilisation which followed it.

All the Olympian Gods including Poseidon and Dionysus have been identified in Greek Linear B inscriptions and the original kings whose ancestor cults their worship was based on have been identified in Greek Linear A inscriptions which corroborate the accounts of Diodorus and other Greek historians as to when and where they ruled.

The Greek God Sarapis king of the Peloponnese, Pontus and Egypt is named in Greek Linear A inscriptions dating form the time he ruled as is Zeus (Saasitepis) the king of Lato and Dictys corroborating Diodorus. Cronos/Saturn is also named (Satur).

On top of that the names of several of the Greek Heroes including Epaphus (Apepi I), Agenor (Aaqenenre), Apis (Sarapis/Saiapis/Apepi II), Danuas, Aegyptus ([A]Djehutymes III), Amyclas, Teucer the king of Salamis in Cyprus (Tjekker) are referred to in Egyptian texts dating from the time when the were supposed to have lived according to Greek historians.

Further more Deukalion, Dionysus, Tantalus (Canduales/Myrsilus), Lycus and Odysseus (Attarsiya) can be identified from Hittite texts and the Achaiwoi (Ahhiyawa/Ekwesha/Hyksos), Millitus (Millawanda), Lyki (Lukka), Sparti (Sped), Danai (Denyen), and Pelasgi (Pelsast) are all referred to in Hittite and Egyptian texts.

The Phaistos Disc also refers to the death of Herakles the Idean Dactyl and the inscription of the Assyrian king Tiglaths Pilaser I refers to him worshiping Herakles (The son of Alkmene). Ericthonius (Arioch/Eri-Aku) the king of Troy and Pontus is referred to in a Babylonian text which also refers to Dionysus king of Phrygia (Tudhayia III) and both of these kings of
Asia-Minor are referred to in the bible at the time of Abram which is when they were supposed to have lived according to the Traditional Chronology. The El-Armana archive with texts dating form the same period also mentions the kings who the Hindu pantheon was based on who were allies of Dionysus when he conquered India.

[wvwvw]

The Greek religion of worshiping the 12 Olympian gods existed since Mycenaean times as inscriptions have shown. Before the Olympians there was no religion. Read Herodotus histories book 2.51.1 The Greek religion was created between 1628 and 1472 BC based on Herodotus. Before that time there was no religion practiced in Greece, and they didn't worship anyone or anything by any disticnt name or appellation.

There was no Pelasgian religion before Danaus came to Greece and initiated Pelasgus the king of Argos in the names and appellations of the gods. And Danaus of course was the brother of Aegyptus whose reign Jerome dates to 1480 BC whereas Jerome dates Danaus reign at Argos to 1474 to 1424 BC in the standard ancient Greek chronology. The Pelasgian language was Arcado-Cypriot since the Pelasgians came from Arcadia, which is of course otherwise referred to as Mycenaean Greek.

The Minoans didn't have a religion because their kings became the gods of the Greeks and Romans including Satur ie. Saturn. Religion was invented by the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians and consisted entirely of the worship of their departed ancestors. This is what all religion boils down too. The Phoenicians did exactly the same thing and documents existed which showed every step in their religions development from the deification and worship of their own kings, as well as it also being the root of the ancient Greek religion also.

The Japanese worship their own family members, emperors and Gods in exactly the same way as the Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians and Rehab did. That was what religion throughout the ancient world meant. The Japanese worship their family members and have shrines in their homes to them as did the Romans and the Greeks and the people of the Bible like Rehab. The Japanese made all their emperors into God just like the Romans, the Phoenicians and the Egyptians. The Hindus made their early kings into Gods and their later kings into Heroes just like the Greeks and even had their Gods coming back to earth to take part in wars just like the Greeks.

Mystery religions were so called because they were about the misdeeds or sins of the gods and were so called from the Greek word Mysos meaning Unclean. There was nothing whatsoever mysterious about them. They were kept secret because people didn't want to talk about the gods committing the rape and murder of their own sisters and brothers.

All ancient historians state that the gods were nothing more than defied kings and since the gods of the ancient Greeks were the kings of the Minoan era as is clear from all historical texts and chronologies it is also clear that there was no religion before them. The cults attached to the gods came to Greece and that was in around 1474 BC brought by the Greek Egyptians and before that the kings were simply regarded as kings and paid funery honours and nothing more. The gods were known to be historical kings (and not legends) and nothing more than that. Their locations of their graves were known and became places of pilgrimage.

Then they were deified and were also associated with the forces of nature and this was done by the poets not by any priests since the job of the priests was to supervise rituals not to theologise.

Herodotus was a primary source since he had eyewitness accounts to go by or was an eye witness himself and copied directly from primary sources including civic records or the work of his predecessors which was regarded as the historical consensus and had full provenance all they way back to primary sources.

The history of the gods was written in the time in which they lived by the palace chronographers and historians and other clerics who wrote day to day records of all the events that took place and was also based on primary sources including official dispatches, recognisance reports carried out in regard to battles and defence and logistics documents, the latter of
which are still extant today in Linear B and Linear A (but mostly illegible in Linear A).

The height of power of the gods was during the Hyksos period before the Thera Eruption between 1700 and 1628 BC. We have the names of gods including Saturn, Zeus, Sarapis and the Phoenician and Jewish god Jehovah extant in Egyptian and Linear A inscriptions as kings from that period, Satur, Sheshi (Saasitepis/Ausstaeb/Istaveon), Saapis (Apophis/Awoserre Apepi), Meruserenre Yakubher, as well as the names of other Greek kings who ruled over Egypt including Epaphus - Apachnas/Seneferankhre Apepi, Agenor - Aqenienre Apepi, Aegyptus...

[Trilecce]

Interesting, to be honest, even the "rising from foam" Greek etymology is dubious (even though it makes much sense), though I still can't find any use of the word Afrodita in Albanian (only in Spanish).

Also interesting that the Albanian word for day is "dita" which is related to day, dia etc. from other IE Languages (probably through the latin "dies") and even δύση (sunset) from Greek. Words like die/death are probably connected too.

Dita, day, dag, tag. Its all IE.

BUT... read closely.

Phos = Drita
Phoro = Afro

Light and day could have both been represented by the word dita in proto aöbanian since if you only add an R and say drita you get perfect translation of phosphoros.

But still the question remains? Why do you call this planet Afrodita and NOT phosphoros as you did in ancient times?
And why is Afrodita the albanian word for Phosphoros?

[Queen B]

But still the question remains? Why do you call this planet Afrodita and NOT phosphoros as you did in ancient times?
And why is Afrodita the albanian word for Phosphoros?
Because all the planets of our solar system traditionally got names from Gods.
How hard is for you to understand it ?
They didn't get a translation from what they were called back then to some modern language.

GOT IT ?

[Voskos]

His mother was Molossian, and wherever archaeologists dig in North Epirus, they find Greek names, Greek inscriptions , Greek temples. There's two options for you, IceT:

1-Everyone in North Epirus was Greek until the middle ages when albanians arrived, along with slavs and vlachs.
2-They were all Grecophone, Hellenized ancient Albanians.

Which version do you prefer?

[Trilecce]

Because all the planets of our solar system traditionally got names from Gods.
How hard is for you to understand it ?
They didn't get a translation from what they were called back then to some modern language.

GOT IT ?

Venus name is PHOSPHOROS in your language! Not Afrodita. Afrodita means PHOSPHOROS IN ALBANIAN. Do you get it?

[Voskos]

Venus name is PHOSPHOROS in your language! Not Afrodita. Afrodita means PHOSPHOROS IN ALBANIAN. Do you get it?

ca ban o Trilecce? mir jeni?

[Trilecce]

ca ban o Trilecce? mir jeni?

Kala eni. Esi?

[Voskos]

Kala eni. Esi?

jam mir, flm.

[Queen B]

Venus name is PHOSPHOROS in your language! Not Afrodita. Afrodita means PHOSPHOROS IN ALBANIAN. Do you get it?
Venus name is Aphrodite in our language. Aφροδίτη. It was named Phsophoros, but guess what? If the international scientific community started using names of Gods, then so would we. And it is because all planets got the name of Gods. Who cares what it means in a new language?

[Trilecce]

Venus name is Aphrodite in our language. Aφροδίτη. It was named Phsophoros, but guess what? If the international scientific community started using names of Gods, then so would we. And it is because all planets got the name of Gods. Who cares what it means in a new language?

Lol... What does Afrodita mean in your language??? In mine it means PHOSPHOROUS!

[Queen B]

Lol... What does Afrodita mean in your language??? In mine it means PHOSPHOROUS!
Αfroditi (not Afrodita) means the one that is emerging from the foam/sea.
The etymology of Aphroditi is explained in Theogonia by Hesiod. In 700BC.
This is - 2700 years ago.
PS: I don't care what it means to a language that is modern.
PS1: The planets got their names from Gods. How hard it is for you to understand that?

[Trilecce]

Αfroditi (not Afrodita) means the one that is emerging from the foam/sea.
The etymology of Aphroditi is explained in Theogonia by Hesiod. In 700BC.
This is - 2700 years ago.
PS: I don't care what it means to a language that is modern.
PS1: The planets got their names from Gods. How hard it is for you to understand that?

Albanian is not esperanto my dear. Its a very old language squashed by latin. Our language has the farthest reach amongst all IE languages. Showing ancient connections with Armenian to Germanic and Baltic languages. Albanian language is a subject in itself for linguists and no one studying linguistics is unfamiliar with it. So chill... its not a modern language, its a language mostly destroyed by latin.

Secondly... the age of the source does not give it any credit for being truthful. Its quite the opposite.

Dont you think that its at least a bit curious why Afrodita means Phosphorous in my language? And that Venus was once called Phosphorous and not its albanian translation Afrodita? Do you think its pure coincidence?

Btw there is more words like this. Wanna hear them?

[Queen B]

Albanian is not esperanto my dear. Its a very old language squashed by latin. Our language has the farthest reach amongst all IE languages. Showing ancient connections with Armenian to Germanic and Baltic languages. Albanian language is a subject in itself for linguists and no one studying linguistics is unfamiliar with it. So chill... its not a modern language, its a language mostly destroyed by latin.

Can you confirm how old this etymology of Albanian language?


Secondly... the age of the source does not give it any credit for being truthful. Its quite the opposite.

How come? So, the etymology of Hesiod for the word Afroditi is not truthful but the online etymology by an Albanian in a forum is ?


Dont you think that its at least a bit curious why Afrodita means Phosphorous in my language? And that Venus was once called Phosphorous and not its albanian translation Aphrodita? Do you think its pure coincidence?
No, I don't .
1) Because both Afrodite and Venus etymology can be traced waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back. While the ''Afrodita'' can't.
2) You have to discredit the fact that planets got their names from Gods.
3) What about Hesperus and Eosphoros?;)