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ButlerKing
03-20-2018, 08:49 PM
Why is haplogroup O so widespread like haplogroup C? Ussually whenever there's C in Turks there's also haplogroup O aswell.

Was O in Central Asia spread by Mongols, Turks, or Chinese ?
Did it happen before Mongol invasion or after ? If it was from Mongol invasion was it part of Mongols, Turks or the Chinese soldiers under Mongol empire ?

World map haplogroup O ( There's O1, O2, O3 )
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Haplogrupo_O_%28ADN-Y%29_edit.png

All the haplogroup O markers in Turks, Mongols are all haplogroup O3. Other places with haplogroup O outside of East/Southeast Asia have nothing to do with the Mongols, Turks nor Chinese because they are not O3

Pacific islands have 10-30% of mostly haplogroup O1
Melanesia have 10-30% of mostly haplogroup O1
Northern Australia have 2-10% haplogroup O1,
East India have 10-30% mostly haplogroup O2a are limited mostly to just tribals of India. The Indian Austro-Asiatic tribal people have substantial mongoloid DNA because their male ancestors were southeast Asians.


As for haplogroup O3


East Central Asian have 10-30% haplogroup O3
West Central Asians have 2-10% haplogroup O3
Middle east of Iran, Afghanistan have 2-10% haplogroup O3
A small region between the are of Turkey, Syria, Iraq have 2-10% haplogroup O3
In Siberia there's also 2-10% to 10-30% haplogroup O

Turks, Mongols, Siberians haplogroup O3 ?????? I'm surprised how high haplogroup O is in the isolated eastern Siberia where it is 30-60%.


SHOCKINGLY !!!!!

In Mongol tribes
32% of haplogroup O3 in Inner Mongolia but in Outer Mongolia also have 8-23% but in Khalka is 18% of O3

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cin-ic-mogolistan-mogollari-ydna-haplogrup-dagilimi-inner-mongolia-ydna-haplogroups.png


In Central Asian tribes

All Turks and Iranians Tajiks, Pamiri have haplogroup O in different frequencies

For example In a sample of 54 Kazakhs and 119 Altaian Kazakh. The main paternal lineages of Kazakhs are: C (66.7% and 59.5%), O (9% and 26%), N (2% and 0%), J (4% and 0%), R (9% and 1%).[49]


Kyrgyz 25% haplogroup O properly mostly O3

http://i65.tinypic.com/8yvrx5.gif

ButlerKing
03-20-2018, 09:09 PM
Any answer for this ?

All those high percentages of O was it from Mongol/Turkic to begin with or was it from Chinese or Tibetans ???
Given the presense of haplogroup O in Turkey and even as far as Kazan Tatars I would have to think it came from Mongols.
Unless you're telling me there was Chinese soldiers that made it as far as Turkey, Kazan Tatarstan.

Turkey 2% C, 0.5% O
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0886a0ba94cec6344b9d9a3d0a02d9be

Kazan Tatars 5.7% C, 1.9% O.
https://haplogruplar.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/kazan-tatarlari-y-dna-haplogrup-dagilimi.jpg

ButlerKing
03-20-2018, 11:29 PM
Nobody can explain ???

Marmara
03-20-2018, 11:58 PM
No idea, but if the map is correct then it's Kurds who have O (The Y-DNA map of Turkey includes all ethnicities)

Pahli
03-21-2018, 12:13 AM
Turks were originally N and C carriers, later R1a as well.

Marmara
03-21-2018, 12:21 AM
Turks were originally N and C carriers, later R1a as well.

You can never know. R1a was definetly adopted later, but it's very unclear for others.

Mingle
03-21-2018, 12:24 AM
A lot of it spreading in lands west is related to the Austro-Asiatic expansion (South Asia used to be Austro-Asiatic before it was Dravidian and then later partially Aryan). So the O in South Asia and regions neighboring South Asia is probably related to Austro-Asiatics. It may also have been spread by the Proto-Sino-Tibetans.

Pahli
03-21-2018, 12:31 AM
You can never know. R1a was definetly adopted later, but it's very unclear for others.

The pazyryk Scythian was N1b, and N hasn't been found among any other Scythians, let alone Indo-Iranian groups, so it means that the pazyryk Scythian was paternally Turkic.

EdwardS
03-21-2018, 01:03 AM
This is the result of very ancient migrations!

Freeroostah
03-21-2018, 01:14 AM
Its probably due to the Mongol expansion.
When Genghis Khan spread towards the West Eurasia, he hired thousands of Chinese engineers, scholars, commanders, etc in order to help him conquering powerful kingdoms such as the Khwarazmian Empire.

ButlerKing
03-21-2018, 07:23 AM
A lot of it spreading in lands west is related to the Austro-Asiatic expansion (South Asia used to be Austro-Asiatic before it was Dravidian and then later partially Aryan). So the O in South Asia and regions neighboring South Asia is probably related to Austro-Asiatics. It may also have been spread by the Proto-Sino-Tibetans.

No! As you can from the map of haplogroup O. Western Indians are not influenced by Austro-Asiatics.

ButlerKing
03-21-2018, 07:26 AM
Its probably due to the Mongol expansion.
When Genghis Khan spread towards the West Eurasia, he hired thousands of Chinese engineers, scholars, commanders, etc in order to help him conquering powerful kingdoms such as the Khwarazmian Empire.

So you're telling me haplogroup O was spread by Chinese ?

Strangely enough, Caucasus people generally have low/moderate frequencies of C, Q, N but several of them also have O
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_the_Caucasus

So Chinese made it as far as Caucasus ( technically it can also be considered part of Europe ) ???

Leto
03-21-2018, 09:22 AM
O is rare in European Russia. A small percentage of Volga Tatars are O.

ButlerKing
03-21-2018, 12:36 PM
O is rare in European Russia. A small percentage of Volga Tatars are O.

It's more common in Caucasus ethnic groups.