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Sebbo
03-20-2018, 10:02 PM
Hi guys

Is this normal for an East Slav, to my knowledge she has:

A Russian grandfather from Kostroma
A Polish great grandmother
A grandmother from Odessa with rumours of Balkan ancestry
The rest as far as we know is Ukrainian from central west Ukraine.

I attached her 23andme, her Eurogenes K15, and JTest, it has some Ashkenazi matches. The level of Ashkenazi ancestry on 23andme is very small, is it likely noise or real? Why is her mixed matched sharing on gedmatch so often linked to Levant populations?


Can some of you guys explain this to me, thanks (from a newbie)

S


Jtest

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 25.11
EAST_EURO 20.89
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.33
ATLANTIC 11.99
WEST_MED 5.99
ASHKENAZI 3.31
EAST_MED 9.34
WEST_ASIAN 2.05
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.98
WEST_AFRICAN -




Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.53
2 Baltic 24.5
3 Eastern_Euro 17.1
4 West_Med 9.74
5 Atlantic 7.24
6 East_Med 7.08
7 West_Asian 4.37
8 Red_Sea 1.35
9 Oceanian 0.79
10 Siberian 0.78
11 Southeast_Asian 0.67
12 Amerindian 0.49
13 Sub-Saharan 0.19
14 South_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.96
2 Ukrainian 8.3
3 Moldavian 9.48
4 Hungarian 10.38
5 South_Polish 10.44
6 Croatian 11.2
7 Polish 12.65
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.21
9 Southwest_Russian 13.26
10 Estonian 14.02
11 Finnish 14.2
12 Russian_Smolensk 14.24
13 East_German 14.57
14 Belorussian 14.83
15 Serbian 14.96
16 East_Finnish 15.02
17 Estonian_Polish 15.15
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.17
19 Austrian 15.76
20 Southwest_Finnish 16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.81
2 91.6% Ukrainian + 8.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.95
3 91.5% Ukrainian + 8.5% Samaritan @ 6.97
4 91.7% Ukrainian + 8.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.99
5 84.3% Ukrainian + 15.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.03
6 91.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 8.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 7.04
7 91.9% Ukrainian + 8.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.06
8 91.4% Ukrainian + 8.6% Jordanian @ 7.07
9 93% Ukrainian + 7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.08
10 91.7% Ukrainian + 8.3% Palestinian @ 7.08
11 91.2% Ukrainian + 8.8% Syrian @ 7.1
12 91.6% Ukrainian + 8.4% Bedouin @ 7.14
13 87.5% Ukrainian + 12.5% Ashkenazi @ 7.15
14 91.2% Ukrainian + 8.8% Cyprian @ 7.16
15 91.9% Ukrainian + 8.1% Assyrian @ 7.17
16 93.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 6.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 7.18
17 93.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 6.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.18
18 91.5% Ukrainian + 8.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 7.18
19 93% Ukrainian + 7% Saudi @ 7.19
20 93.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 6.6% Samaritan @ 7.2


http://i64.tinypic.com/11h6h77.png

Leto
03-20-2018, 10:07 PM
0.9% is basically nothing. May not be real at all. Could you post her K13 and Dodecad 12b please?

RN97
03-20-2018, 10:22 PM
Probably a Moldovan in the woodpile.
Super tare frate! :D

Leto
03-20-2018, 11:06 PM
I wonder how much Eastern Euro I would be on 23andme. Probably 85-90% or so.

Not a Cop
03-20-2018, 11:15 PM
0.9% is basically nothing. May not be real at all. Could you post her K13 and Dodecad 12b please?

If it's 23andme it's real. They have the best algorythm for Ashk Jews.

Sebbo
03-21-2018, 07:08 AM
Here you go.

K12b


Population
Gedrosia 4.35
Siberian 2.40
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.75
North_European 50.71
South_Asian 1.02
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.57
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.20
Sub_Saharan



K13

Population
North_Atlantic 23.22
Baltic 41.12
West_Med 13.26
West_Asian 5.21
East_Med 10.44
Red_Sea 1.74
South_Asian 0.66
East_Asian 0.93
Siberian 1.33
Amerindian 1.01
Oceanian 0.90
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18


So what does it mean? S-

Sebbo
03-21-2018, 07:10 AM
If it is only 0.9%, why are her mixed population scores like this : #

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.81

Thank you for your input

Leto
03-21-2018, 08:09 AM
Here you go.

K12b


Population
Gedrosia 4.35
Siberian 2.40
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.75
North_European 50.71
South_Asian 1.02
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.57
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.20
Sub_Saharan



K13

Population
North_Atlantic 23.22
Baltic 41.12
West_Med 13.26
West_Asian 5.21
East_Med 10.44
Red_Sea 1.74
South_Asian 0.66
East_Asian 0.93
Siberian 1.33
Amerindian 1.01
Oceanian 0.90
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18


So what does it mean? S-
The results do show some elevated Southern admixture. Probably there is some Romanian in there indeed.

Petalpusher
03-21-2018, 08:40 AM
If it is only 0.9%, why are her mixed population scores like this : #

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.81

Thank you for your input

All the fits are not great at 6-7 of distance, just tries to model with a bit of something southern compared to the Ukrainian reference but no population fits really well, not much better than the single pop first matches. Ashkenazi is likely real, 23andme detects it well, at 0.1/0.2 it could be false positive but not nearly 1%, though it's still only 1/128 or so, and could be mixed with something else Balkan.

EdwardS
03-21-2018, 10:28 AM
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