R1b Haplogroup

[Marmara]

How much is it related to Yamnaya? Why is it widespread in Western Europe, especially Spain and İreland, and how did it spread?

[Pahli]

ANE related haplogroup which was also later found in EHG in Latvia, R1b is related to Centum speaking Indo-Europeans although I am not sure how it ended up dominating Western Europe.

[Armenian Bishop]

ANE related haplogroup which was also later found in EHG in Latvia, R1b is related to Centum speaking Indo-Europeans although I am not sure how it ended up dominating Western Europe.

Was it a Post Ice Age Migration?

[Pahli]

Was it a Post Ice Age Migration?

I think so, but its predecessor R has been found in Mal'ta and its over 25000 years old.

[Massagetae]

I think so, but its predecessor R has been found in Mal'ta and its over 25000 years old.

In case people don't know where Mal'ta is located. Let your minds chew on that.

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[Pahli]

In case people don't know where Mal'ta is located. Let your minds chew on that.

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Inb4 claiming it to the Turkic

[Dick]

ANE related haplogroup which was also later found in EHG in Latvia, R1b is related to Centum speaking Indo-Europeans although I am not sure how it ended up dominating Western Europe.

and Cameroon or did it spread from Cameroon to Europe?

[Massagetae]

Inb4 claiming it to the Turkic

100% TURK WITHOUT A DOUBT.

[Massagetae]

Some of the figurines found there. Looks Asian to me.

https://s10.postimg.org/5ky1cc015/download_1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/od9wfwwf9/)

[Pahli]

100% TURK WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Go get an education and stop being autistic, Turks didn't exist in that time horizon, no modern ethnic identity did.

[Massagetae]

Go get an education and stop being autistic, Turks didn't exist in that time horizon, no modern ethnic identity did.

Obviously, there was no label for them at that time, but Turkics/Native Indians/Inuits etc are the genetic descendants of the people who lived there.

Your the autistic idiot, who thinks Turks are C.

[Pahli]

Obviously, there was no label for them at that time, but Turkics/Native Indians/Inuits etc are the genetic descendants of the people who lived there.

Your the autistic idiot, who thinks Turks are C.

No they are not, because the people that spoke Turkic were 100% East Eurasian, its Siberian people like Selkups, Kots, Mansi and Native Amerindians that carry the most ANE, Turks don't for a good reason, look at this map and stop talking out of your ass for nationalistic purposes:

http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

And C was found in the Andronovo culture and Andronovo overlapped with the ancient Turkic people of the Altais, so I guess few of them could have carried C, why do you take it as an insult you fucking moron?

[Massagetae]

You absolute moron, show me a paper that says that Turks were originally 100% East Eurasian and what exactly do mean by East Eurasian? When I say Turks, I'm not talking Turkey Turks which are by far the most mixed modern "Turkic" nation.

Yes look at the map you moron, Bashkirs, Chuvash, Tatars, Hakas, Nogay, Kumyks are in the Red Zones. Fucking retard.


No they are not, because the people that spoke Turkic were 100% East Eurasian, its Siberian people like Selkups, Kots, Mansi and Native Amerindians that carry the most ANE, Turks don't for a good reason, look at this map and stop talking out of your ass for nationalistic purposes:

http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

And C was found in the Andronovo culture and Andronovo overlapped with the ancient Turkic people of the Altais, so I guess few of them could have carried C, why do you take it as an insult you fucking moron?

[Token]

R1b is PIE, R1a is assimilated Indo-Uralic, this is a well-established fact among Indo-Europeanists from every single academic field. Answering you question, it spread mainly by IE-speaking invaders replacing natives during the LN-early Bronze Age period.

[Massagetae]

Selkup ydna. Fucking moron @pahli.

https://s17.postimg.org/8uowi2djj/selkup-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Massagetae]

And what Selkup people look like. Fucking moron @pahli.

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[Marmara]

R1b is PIE, R1a is assimilated Indo-Uralic, this is a well-established fact among Indo-Europeanists from every single academic field. Answering you question, it spread mainly by IE-speaking invaders replacing natives during the LN-early Bronze Age period.

R1b was in Europe and West Asia before Yamnaya and IE expansion. More than half of Basques are R1b. R1a is usually considered the Indo-European marker.

[Kelmendasi]

R1b was in Europe and West Asia before Yamnaya and IE expansion. More than half of Basques are R1b. R1a is usually considered the Indo-European marker.
The R1b that was in Europe before PIE expansion was a non-IE marker which today is mainly found in the Middle east and Africa. The Basque R1b is IE, it's from the same clade as many Iberians and has been found among Bell Beakers iirc and is often seen as an Ibero-Celtic clade.

[Kelmendasi]

The Yamnaya themselves were nearly completely R1b-Z2103 going by the ancient samples that we have

[Kelmendasi]

https://d8v5jhqx5tv4l.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/palaeolithic-1.jpg

https://d8v5jhqx5tv4l.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/copper-age-early-1.jpg

[Aren]

R1b was in Europe and West Asia before Yamnaya and IE expansion. More than half of Basques are R1b. R1a is usually considered the Indo-European marker.

And the Bell Beakers? Why were they all R1b when some of them had up to 75% Yamnaya admix? Or the R1b-U106 found in Battle-Axe Sweden?

[Pahli]

You absolute moron, show me a paper that says that Turks were originally 100% East Eurasian and what exactly do mean by East Eurasian? When I say Turks, I'm not talking Turkey Turks which are by far the most mixed modern "Turkic" nation.

Yes look at the map you moron, Bashkirs, Chuvash, Tatars, Hakas, Nogay, Kumyks are in the Red Zones. Fucking retard.

Read what I wrote again you cunt, you are seriously blind: "Its Siberian people like Selkups, Kots, Mansi and Native Amerindians that carry the most ANE". Ancient Turks of the Altais were most likely fully Mongoloid, then after mixing with Scythians they became partially Caucasoid, but this is after they mixed, do you understand or are you too dumb to understand? Selkups are not Turkic, they are an Uralic speaking people, regardless of what you think, then you show me a fucking website from Turkicworld which is obviously biased xD

[Massagetae]

Selkups main Haplogroup is Q. Do you even know what the main haplogroup is for Uralics you degenerate. Are Algerians French because they speak French wtf is your point about them speaking Uralic? If you think the ydna breakdown of Selkups is biased then show me another one, if you think it's gonna be different.

Some the highest ANE is in Uralic People which are mainly Haplogroup N, in one of your posts you say Turks are from Haplogroup N (Uralic!!) and C. Make up your mind you fucking idiot.

https://s17.postimg.org/3yzif9vzz/pahli----turks.png (https://postimages.org/)






Read what I wrote again you cunt, you are seriously blind: "Its Siberian people like Selkups, Kots, Mansi and Native Amerindians that carry the most ANE". Ancient Turks of the Altais were most likely fully Mongoloid, then after mixing with Scythians they became partially Caucasoid, but this is after they mixed, do you understand or are you too dumb to understand? Selkups are not Turkic, they are an Uralic speaking people, regardless of what you think, then you show me a fucking website from Turkicworld which is obviously biased xD

[Jana]

R1b is PIE, R1a is assimilated Indo-Uralic, this is a well-established fact among Indo-Europeanists from every single academic field. Answering you question, it spread mainly by IE-speaking invaders replacing natives during the LN-early Bronze Age period.

Very interesting! But are you certain about R1a ?
Can we know for sure ?

[Pahli]

Selkups main Haplogroup is Q. Do you even know what the main haplogroup is for Uralics you degenerate. Are Algerians French because they speak French wtf is your point about them speaking Uralic? If you think the ydna breakdown of Selkups is biased then show me another one, if you think it's gonna be different.

Some the highest ANE is in Uralic People which are mainly Haplogroup N, in one of your posts you say Turks are from Haplogroup N and C. Make up your mind you fucking idiot.

https://s17.postimg.org/3yzif9vzz/pahli----turks.png (https://postimages.org/)

Look at the map, do Turks carry the most ANE? No. It is found mostly in Uralic people and Amerindians, followed by some Volga Turkic people but they are not carrying the most ANE so stop twisting my words you fucking retard.

Y-Dna doesn't always correlate with fucking autosomal admixture you nutsack, otherwise most R1a carriers would have autosomally been somewhat Slavic which they are not and you don't understand that. I never said the y-dna breakdown was biased you cunt, but I knew you were going to throw the "ANE WAS TURK" card and look like a complete retard as usual, idk where some of you fucking Turks get these crazy ideas from, they are not supported by any research ffs xD

Ancient Turks were N and C you nut job, then the Scythians came and raped them or mixed with them which explains the high frequency of R1a in some Turkic groups. Look at the map, Turkic people are not the ones that carry the most ANE admixture.

[Kouros]

Epicanthic folds developed 30k YBP during the LGM. MA1 has been dated back to around this time as well so it's normal that they carry this feature themselves. Slanty eyes are now a metric for what's Turkic?

[Massagetae]

Look at the map, do Turks carry the most ANE? No. It is found mostly in Uralic people and Amerindians, followed by some Volga Turkic people but they are not carrying the most ANE so stop twisting my words you fucking retard.

Ancient Turks were N and C you nut job, then the Scythians came and raped them or mixed with them which explains the high frequency of R1a in some Turkic groups.

You don't make any fucking sense Pahli. On one hand you say the highest ANE is in Uralics, then you say Ancient Turks were N which is Uralic. So which is it?

[Pahli]

You don't make any fucking sense Pahli. On one hand you say the highest ANE is in Uralics, then you say Ancient Turks were N which is Uralic. So which is it?

Dude you cannot put it up like that. Just because they carry the haplogroup N doesn't mean they are the same as Turks, they carry N1c and Turks carry N1b, there is a difference.

[ovidiu]

R1b became dominant in Basques and Iberians due to a few adventurous Central European Celtic marauders who invaded in the Bronze Age, slew the men, and spread their haplogroup to their offspring with the women they took as "wives". But were not good fathers and probably moved on after pillaging, leaving the native women to raise the children and pass on their original, non IE Basque/Iberian type languages (and still autosomally retaining most of their native prehistoric DNA). In a way kind of a bottleneck situation maybe.

I don't actually think Iberians and Basques really have a strong tie to the original Proto Indo European people.

[Master]

Epicanthic folds developed 30k YBP during the LGM. MA1 has been dated back to around this time as well so it's normal that they carry this feature themselves. Slanty eyes are now a metric for what'

There is no evidence for when epicanthic folds "developed" and the epicanthic fold is not a racial trait. The racial diagnosis of Mal'ta-Buret has been Caucasoid since 2003, the MA-1 skeleton is also fully Eurodont meaning he lacks the diagnostic dental morphology of Native Americans and East Asians (Sinodonty). The oldest Sinodont remains are over 20,000 years old, so Malta-Buret was certifiably not Mongoloid.

[Kouros]

so Malta-Buret was certifiably not Mongoloid.

Never claimed otherwise