50% Palestinian Christian + 50% European = Ashkenazi?

[Levant15]

I found a relative of mine on gedmatch whose Half Palestinian Christian and half white American. I ran his kit and many tests assign him Ashkenazi as one of the top results.





MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1South_and_West_European38.66
2Middle_East22.32
3North_and_East_European20.75
4Caucaus_Parsia15.10
5Indian1.19

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazim_V @ 2.768209
2 Jew_Romania @ 7.929392
3 Greek_South @ 8.284346
4 Greek_North @ 9.212742
5 Italian-Center @ 11.466781
6 Greek_Center @ 11.624181
7 Gagauz @ 11.708804
8 Greek_East @ 11.967515
9 Sicilian @ 13.461121
10 Bulgarian @ 14.104164
11 Italian-South @ 14.308277
12 Ashkenazim @ 15.348783
13 Macedonian @ 16.142460
14 Italian-North @ 16.158621
15 Greek_Cretan @ 16.970928
16 Romania @ 17.371918
17 Jew_France @ 17.439251
18 Jew_Italia @ 17.928949
19 Montenegrin @ 18.030523
20 Italian_North @ 19.077658

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bosnian +50% Jew_Tunisia @ 1.810364


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Tunisia +25% Gagauz +25% Sorb @ 1.078064


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Jew_Italia + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.514597
2 Jew_France + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.614170
3 Samaritian + Russian_cossack + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.647076
4 Samaritian + Jew_Tunisia + CEU + CEU @ 0.656535
5 Russian_Center + Jew_France + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.702929
6 Lithuanian_V + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.705379
7 Samaritian + Welsh + Jew_Tunisia + CEU @ 0.716515
8 Samaritian + Hungarian + Sephardim + CEU @ 0.747572
9 Russian + Jew_France + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.766412
10 Russian_Center + Jew_Italia + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.773630
11 Jew_Italia + Greek_North + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia @ 0.774646
12 Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.776992
13 Russian + Jew_Italia + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.791169
14 Samaritian + Belarusian_V + Greek_Cretan + Portugese @ 0.796439
15 Samaritian + Russian_V + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.797562
16 Samaritian + Slovenian + Sephardim + CEU @ 0.806162
17 Russian + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.813288
18 Samaritian + Hungarian + Welsh + Sephardim @ 0.820334
19 Samaritian + Russian_South + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.829854
20 Russian_Center + Jew_France + Jew_Libya + Greek_South @ 0.851996







puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1SW_Europe32.94
2NE_Europe27.82
3West_Asia20.82
4SW_Asia13.93
5West_Africa1.35
6Americas1.34

Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 6.624801
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.756689
3 Kosovar @ 7.044274
4 Greek_Central @ 8.434209
5 Bulgarian @ 8.704168
6 Macedonian @ 9.211697
7 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.499961
8 Romanian @ 9.727286
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 10.357078
10 Montenegrin @ 10.998377
11 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 13.049168
12 Serbian @ 13.816471
13 Italian_Sicilian @ 14.571710
14 Italian_Bergamo @ 15.071554
15 Sephardic_Jew @ 17.291582
16 Bosnian @ 17.324669
17 Moldavian @ 19.040251
18 Croatian @ 19.722961
19 Spaniard @ 20.446041
20 Turkish_Aydin @ 21.904053

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Utahn_European @ 2.485948


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Palestinian +25% Ukrainian @ 2.253307


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cypriot + German_South + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.130547
2 Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Palestinian + Utahn_European @ 2.156994
3 Cypriot + English + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.165204
4 Assyrian + Estonian + French_Basque + Jordanian @ 2.168012
5 Ashkenazy_Jew + Montenegrin + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.176598
6 Cypriot + Irish + Irish + Palestinian @ 2.181341
7 Armenian + Estonian + French_Basque + Palestinian @ 2.182046
8 Belarusian + Greek_Central + Italian_Tuscan + Jordanian @ 2.188035
9 Greek_Central + Irish + Montenegrin + Palestinian @ 2.195390
10 Belarusian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian @ 2.196935
11 English + Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Palestinian @ 2.198323
12 Cypriot + Irish + Palestinian + Utahn_European @ 2.198776
13 Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Orcadian + Palestinian @ 2.202755
14 Ashkenazy_Jew + Bosnian + Palestinian + Scottish @ 2.204519
15 Cypriot + English + German_North + Jordanian @ 2.209383
16 Cypriot + German_South + Palestinian + Swedish @ 2.218346
17 Cypriot + Norwegian + Palestinian + Scottish @ 2.218489
18 Albanian + Belarusian + Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian @ 2.218513
19 Cypriot + Palestinian + Scottish + Utahn_European @ 2.219334
20 Cypriot + German_North + Jordanian + Utahn_European @ 2.224508




Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med24.71
2Baltic19.67
3West_Med17.93
4North_Atlantic17.60
5West_Asian10.12
6Red_Sea7.05
7Northeast_African1.33

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.078651
2 Bulgarian @ 9.430357
3 Romanian @ 11.918304
4 Central_Greek @ 12.444420
5 East_Sicilian @ 12.960811
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.675026
7 Ashkenazi @ 14.054113
8 West_Sicilian @ 14.261455
9 Tuscan @ 15.202971
10 Serbian @ 16.129192
11 South_Italian @ 17.119114
12 North_Italian @ 19.413641
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.673113
14 Moldavian @ 22.065809
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.117805
16 Italian_Jewish @ 22.138384
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 25.284540
18 Libyan_Jewish @ 25.358402
19 Croatian @ 25.389385
20 Hungarian @ 25.399920

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.161038


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 2.517684


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Croatian + Samaritan @ 2.162367
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Samaritan + West_Sicilian @ 2.331027
3 Algerian_Jewish + Polish + Samaritan + Serbian @ 2.363844
4 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.370392
5 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Libyan_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.385249
6 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Samaritan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.394003
7 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 2.438813
8 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.466372
9 Central_Greek + East_Sicilian + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.484172
10 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.490123
11 Croatian + Croatian + Italian_Jewish + Samaritan @ 2.517684
12 East_Sicilian + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 2.519663
13 East_Sicilian + East_Sicilian + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.519918
14 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.520376
15 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.526461
16 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.538689
17 Algerian_Jewish + East_Sicilian + East_Sicilian + Lithuanian @ 2.538712
18 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.558057
19 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.589957
20 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.605828

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[StonyArabia]

Yeah there was half White American half Palestinian Christian girl on here who also clusters with Ashkenazim

[Leto]

It depends on the kind of white. To be the closest to the Ashkenazim one needs to be half North Italian or something like that.

[Meerkat]

It depends on the kind of white. To be the closest to the Ashkenazim one needs to be half North Italian or something like that.

Yeah I think the "North Italian" component in Ashkenazim is a mix of different Euro ethnic groups. Ashkenazim are genetically around 15% Central/Eastern European and the rest of the European genes in Ashkenazi Jews comes from Southern Europe, and so I think that that is what equals "North Italian."

On one GEDMatch calculator my brother was 50% Bulgarian 50% Syrian and another on another he was 50% Albanian 50% Lebanese.

I'm assuming that her Euro side is more northern than North Italian, Bulgarian and Albanian.

These are my brother's puntdnal k13 oracle results:

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 34.78
2 West_Asia 23.96
3 NE_Europe 17.52
4 SW_Asia 17.14
5 South_Asia 2.02
6 NE_Asia 1.32
7 West_Africa 1.16


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 4.708764
2 Italian_Sicilian @ 5.807346
3 Sephardic_Jew @ 7.105482
4 Greek_Central @ 7.254670
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.071977
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.297396
7 Albanian @ 12.866675
8 Turkish @ 14.215649
9 Kosovar @ 14.296962
10 Italian_Tuscan @ 15.030744
11 Cypriot @ 15.768785
12 Turkish_Aydin @ 16.460672
13 Turkish_Kayseri @ 17.037689
14 Bulgarian @ 18.634686
15 Syrian @ 18.952791
16 Macedonian @ 19.274057
17 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.707327
18 Lebanese_Druze @ 20.054821
19 Romanian @ 20.361650
20 Jordanian @ 20.497488

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +50% Syrian @ 3.363352


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Sicilian +25% Jordanian +25% Romanian @ 2.749126


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazy_Jew + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.051054
2 Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.066211
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.105438
4 Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.163859
5 Ashkenazy_Jew + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish_Aydin @ 2.178166
6 Italian_Sicilian + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish_Aydin @ 2.219829
7 Ashkenazy_Jew + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.220088
8 Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.253841
9 Greek_Central + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.264097
10 Italian_Sicilian + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.270500
11 Greek_Thessaly + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.316253
12 Greek_Central + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.329773
13 Greek_Central + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.346723
14 Albanian + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.353923
15 Ashkenazy_Jew + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Aydin @ 2.362218
16 Greek_Central + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.373788
17 Italian_Sicilian + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Aydin @ 2.408776
18 Italian_Sicilian + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish @ 2.410581
19 Ashkenazy_Jew + Jordanian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.440507
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Spaniard + Turkish_Aydin @ 2.456085

[Leto]

Yeah I think the "North Italian" component in Ashkenazim is a mix of different Euro ethnic groups. Ashkenazim are genetically around 15% Central/Eastern European and the rest of the European genes in Ashkenazi Jews comes from Southern Europe, and so I think that that is what equals "North Italian."

On one GEDMatch calculator my brother was 50% Bulgarian 50% Syrian and another on another he was 50% Albanian 50% Lebanese.
I saw a study that said the ratio was more like 75% Southern and 25% other European. But I think there may be some variation among Ashkenazim. For example Romanian/Hungarian and Belorussian/Lithuanian.

[Leto]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +50% Syrian @ 3.363352

Pretty accurate. Bergamo is the capital of Lombardy.
http://ontheworldmap.com/italy/city/bergamo/bergamo-location-on-the-italy-map-min.jpg

[Meerkat]

I saw a study that said the ratio was more like 75% Southern and 25% other European. But I think there may be some variation among Ashkenazim. For example Romanian/Hungarian and Belorussian/Lithuanian.

I don't think that the variation is significant. Ashkenazim are all the same ethnic group regardless of which European countries their ancestors lived, and keep in mind that they were constantly running from place to place. Like my dad's side was from Czechoslovakia, but a few generations earlier they lived in Poland.

And while I know that genotype =/= phenotype, I have noticed that are no differences in looks between Ashkenazim from Poland vs. ones from Romania or Hungary or whatever. People who say that they notice differences in phenotypes are making shit up from what I've seen.

[Leto]

I don't think that the variation is significant. Ashkenazim are all the same ethnic group regardless of which European countries their ancestors lived, and keep in mind that they were constantly running from place to place. Like my dad's side was from Czechoslovakia, but a few generations earlier they lived in Poland.

And while I know that genotype =/= phenotype, I have noticed that are no differences in looks between Ashkenazim from Poland vs. ones from Romania or Hungary or whatever. People who say that they notice differences in phenotypes are making shit up from what I've seen.
Alright. I wasn't saying there must be differences. However, I thought some may be part Sephardic. For example the ones from France.

[AK-47]

A lot of the so called "Palestinian" Christians, may be converted ancient Judeans.
Israelites wern't Arabs.
Arabians have significantly higher SSA and Red Sea than true Levantines.
If you combined a Northern Italian and a true ancient Levantine from Lebanon, and not an Arabian admix, you would get something in the Ashkenazim range.

[Leto]

A lot of the so called "Palestinian" Christians, may be converted ancient Judeans.
Israelites wern't Arabs.
Arabians have significantly higher SSA and Red Sea than true Levantines.
If you combined a Northern Italian and a true ancient Levantine from Lebanon, and not an Arabian admix, you would get something in the Ashkenazim range.
Christian Lebanese and Syrians, Druze and Samaritans would be the best fits.

[Meerkat]

Pretty accurate. Bergamo is the capital of Lombardy.
http://ontheworldmap.com/italy/city/bergamo/bergamo-location-on-the-italy-map-min.jpg

Yep. And I heard this dumb guy on another forum say: "You would think people who are 50% Levantine 50% Italian would look like Cypriots." I explained to him that Cypriots are just Euro-shifted Middle Easterners and that the "Italian" in Ashkenazi Jews is Northern Italian and Northern Italians often have a generic pan-European look. He keeps claiming that Ashkenazim are too "Northern looking" given our genetics, but that's not true at all.

[Leto]

Yep. And I heard this dumb guy on another forum say: "You would think people who are 50% Levantine 50% Italian would look like Cypriots." I explained to him that Cypriots are just Euro-shifted Middle Easterners and that the "Italian" in Ashkenazi Jews is Northern Italian and Northern Italians often have a generic pan-European look. He keeps claiming that Ashkenazim are too "Northern looking" given our genetics, but that's not true at all.
Sicilians and Southern Italians would be a better comparison than Cypriots.

[Meerkat]

Sicilians and Southern Italians would be a better comparison than Cypriots.

Yep exactly.

And I don't think Sicilians/Southern Italians and Ashkenazim look the same as groups, but there is significant overlap and I think Ashkenazim as a group look like we would cluster with Sicilians (including the ones who don't pass for Sicilian).

[Leto]

Yep exactly.

And I don't think Sicilians/Southern Italians and Ashkenazim look the same as groups, but there is significant overlap and I think Ashkenazim as a group look like we would cluster with Sicilians (including the ones who don't pass for Sicilian).
True. Even similar peoples don't necessarily look the same. And Sicilians and Jews are not even totally from the same source to begin with. Ethnogenesis is a complicated thing and certain subtleties may not be reflected in a general autosomal analysis.

[Meerkat]

True. Even similar peoples don't necessarily look the same. And Sicilians and Jews are not even totally from the same source to begin with. Ethnogenesis is a complicated thing and certain subtleties may not be reflected in a general autosomal analysis.

Yep. Clustering with a group doesn't mean you're descended from them or closely related to them. Like I saw the GEDMatch results of a half Assyrian/half Swedish girl who plot closets to Bulgarians and other people from Balkans and Central/Eastern Europe, but it doesn't mean that she's related to those people.

[Levant15]

A lot of the so called "Palestinian" Christians, may be converted ancient Judeans.
Israelites wern't Arabs.
Arabians have significantly higher SSA and Red Sea than true Levantines.
If you combined a Northern Italian and a true ancient Levantine from Lebanon, and not an Arabian admix, you would get something in the Ashkenazim range.My brother is married to a Polish but I wouldn't say their two kids look Ashkenazi rather they look very European with meduim to light blonde hair and blue eyes.
Yet my brother has darker skin and dark hair.

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[AK-47]

True. Even similar peoples don't necessarily look the same. And Sicilians and Jews are not even totally from the same source to begin with. Ethnogenesis is a complicated thing and certain subtleties may not be reflected in a general autosomal analysis.
There are subtle differences between Ashkenazi's and southern Italians in genetics.
Ashkenazim did live deep in Eastern Europe for 1000 plus years.
Southern Italians and Sicilians' ancient Levantine component, is likely Phoenician and not Israelite.
Sicilians are more Arabian admixed in regions like Palermo.
There is significant Greek input in regional Sicilian populations, also.
I'm not a typical Sicilian in phenotype, and most Ashkenazim Jews I see tend to be more pale than Sicilians, and have significantly higher rates of red hair in particular.
Ashkenazim, myself included, have higher rates in general of light eyes than Sicilians.
https://image.ibb.co/cG7Lvx/20180213025010_hd.png

[Leto]

Half Ashkenazi, half Belorussian

puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 36.93
2 SW_Europe 30.29
3 West_Asia 14.45
4 SW_Asia 10.47
5 Siberia 2.02
6 South_Asia 1.59
7 NE_Asia 1.02
8 East_Africa 0.92
9 SE_Asia 0.78
10 Oceania 0.61
11 Americas 0.49
12 West_Africa 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.89
2 Serbian 6.55
3 Montenegrin 6.89
4 Bosnian 7.65
5 Moldavian 7.72
6 Macedonian 8.25
7 Bulgarian 8.27
8 Croatian 9.5
9 Slovene 11.13
10 Hungarian 11.32
11 Slovak 12.34
12 Kosovar 12.68
13 French 13.18
14 Albanian 13.2
15 German_South 13.36
16 Belgian 13.78
17 Greek_Thessaly 13.98
18 Italian_Tuscan 14.2
19 English 14.56
20 Italian_Bergamo 15.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.9% Italian_Sicilian + 48.1% Russian @ 2.88
2 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% Tunisian @ 3.11
3 86.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Egyptian_Copts @ 3.16
4 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Egyptian @ 3.2
5 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Moroccan @ 3.2
6 66.6% Norwegian + 33.4% Palestinian @ 3.22
7 74.6% Irish + 25.4% Yemeni @ 3.26
8 65.6% Norwegian + 34.4% Jordanian @ 3.27
9 53.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 46.7% Russian @ 3.28
10 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Algerian @ 3.29
11 76.6% English + 23.4% Yemeni @ 3.29
12 63.9% Swedish + 36.1% Jordanian @ 3.29
13 74.8% Orcadian + 25.2% Yemeni @ 3.33
14 78.8% Slovene + 21.2% Palestinian @ 3.34
15 66.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 33.7% Finnish @ 3.35
16 50.7% Russian + 49.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 3.35
17 71.1% German_North + 28.9% Palestinian @ 3.38
18 70.1% German_North + 29.9% Jordanian @ 3.42
19 78% Slovene + 22% Jordanian @ 3.42
20 74.8% Utahn_European + 25.2% Yemeni @ 3.44

[Meerkat]

My brother is married to a Polish but I wouldn't say their two kids look Ashkenazi rather they look very European with meduim to light blonde hair and blue eyes.
Yet my brother has darker skin and dark hair.

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I think some people of such a mix would look Ashkenazi and some wouldn't, but as I've mentioned earlier, someone who is half Polish/half Levantine is actually more northern-shifted than an Ashkenazi. I think someone who is half Balkanite and half Levantine would be more likely to look Ashkenazi, but not necessarily.

[Leto]

There are subtle differences between Ashkenazi's and southern Italians in genetics.
Ashkenazim did live deep in Eastern Europe for 1000 plus years.
Southern Italians and Sicilians' ancient Levantine component, is likely Phoenician and not Israelite.
Sicilians are more Arabian admixed in regions like Palermo.
There is significant Greek input in regional Sicilian populations, also.
I'm not a typical Sicilian in phenotype, and most Ashkenazim Jews I see tend to be more pale than Sicilians, and have significantly higher rates of red hair in particular.
Ashkenazim, myself included, have higher rates in general of light eyes than Sicilians.

I agree. Jews in the West are definitely lighter than a stereotypical Sicilian.

[AK-47]

I agree. Jews in the West are definitely lighter than a stereotypical Sicilian.
I'm not a particularly light example of an Ashkenazi, and my skin has freckles, and I have no ability to tan.
My beard is also red and here is the color of my eyes...
https://image.ibb.co/f2R5qH/20180305_113223.jpg

[Meerkat]

I agree. Jews in the West are definitely lighter than a stereotypical Sicilian.

Fully blooded Ashkenazi Jews are 30% light eyed, which is the same as Central Italians. I actually calculated that Ashkenazim would be 25% light eyed if not for genetic isolation. It's only 5% more...not a big difference.

A lot of "Jews in the West" aren't fully blooded Ashkenazim, and you need to only count fully blooded ones when comparing Ashkenazim to Sicilians. Ashkenazim do have higher levels of depigmentation, but we aren't lighter in terms of facial features. A lot of light-skinned Ashkenazim would pass in Mesopotamia or the Levant without a problem.

[Leto]

I think some people of such a mix would look Ashkenazi and some wouldn't, but as I've mentioned earlier, someone who is half Polish/half Levantine is actually more northern-shifted than an Ashkenazi. I think someone who is half Balkanite and half Levantine would be more likely to look Ashkenazi, but not necessarily.
Eric Saade is half Palestinian/Syrian and half Swedish, yet he is darker than an average Ashkenazi. Recent mixes and ancient ethnogenesis are two different things
https://w.cdn-expressen.se/images/36/ca/36caffd4fb874980a1bfc68d29ea4b84/4x3/650@80.jpg
http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/pop/eric_saade/saade_10.jpg

His dad may be part Arabian though
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1391000/1391364_1300392734690.73res_400_300.jpg

[Meerkat]

I'm not a particularly light example of an Ashkenazim, and my skin has freckles, and I have no ability to tan.
My beard is also red and here is the color of my eyes...
https://image.ibb.co/f2R5qH/20180305_113223.jpg

I really think you're LARPing as Jewish. I am not saying this because I disagree with most of what you say on here or because of your pigmentation, but you really don't sound like you're actually Jewish to me.

No Jewish person says "an Ashkenazim." You're a LARPer.

[AK-47]

Eric Saade is half Palestinian/Syrian and half Swedish, yet he is darker than an average Ashkenazi. Recent mixes and ancient ethnogenesis are two different things
https://w.cdn-expressen.se/images/36/ca/36caffd4fb874980a1bfc68d29ea4b84/4x3/650@80.jpg
http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/pop/eric_saade/saade_10.jpg

His dad may be part Arabian though
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1391000/1391364_1300392734690.73res_400_300.jpg
Many "Palestinians" and Syrians are transplanted gulf Arabs.
Goes to my point about their higher SSA and Read Sea.
Ashkenazi's Levantine ancestors were living outside of the ancient Levant, well before the rampages and invasion of the Levant by Muslims in the 7th century.

[Leto]

I really think you're LARPing as Jewish. I am not saying this because I disagree with most of what you say on here or because of your pigmentation, but you really don't sound like you're actually Jewish to me.

No Jewish person says "an Ashkenazim." You're a LARPer.
He may have made a typo or just not familiar with Hebrew. Not every single Jew is a liberal Hillary voter ;)

[Meerkat]

Eric Saade is half Palestinian/Syrian and half Swedish, yet he is darker than an average Ashkenazi. Recent mixes and ancient ethnogenesis are two different things
https://w.cdn-expressen.se/images/36/ca/36caffd4fb874980a1bfc68d29ea4b84/4x3/650@80.jpg
http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/pop/eric_saade/saade_10.jpg

His dad may be part Arabian though
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1391000/1391364_1300392734690.73res_400_300.jpg

Yeah it's true that recent mixes are different things, but I have seen a lot of people of recently mixed origin (though not necessarily half European half Levantine) who look Ashkenazi. I just said that someone who is half Balkanite half Levantine would maybe be more likely to look Ashkenazi than someone who is half Polish and half Levantine, but I don't think either mix would produce someone who looks Ashkenazi most of the time.

[Leto]

Many "Palestinians" and Syrians are transplanted gulf Arabs.
Goes to my point about their higher SSA and Read Sea.
Ashkenazi's Levantine ancestors were living outside of the ancient Levant, well before the rampages and invasion of the Levant by Muslims in the 7th century.
I know. They entered Europe long before Arabians and Negroes started pooring into the region.

[Leto]

Yeah it's true that recent mixes are different things, but I have seen a lot of people of recently mixed origin (though not necessarily half European half Levantine) who look Ashkenazi. I just said that someone who is half Balkanite half Levantine would maybe be more likely to look Ashkenazi than someone who is half Polish and half Levantine, but I don't think either mix would produce someone who looks Ashkenazi most of the time.
Half ME and half Euro people usually take after one of their parents or turn out somewhere in between the two.

[Meerkat]

He may have made a typo or just not familiar with Hebrew. Not every single Jew is a liberal Hillary voter ;)

Yeah but the thing is that he's said "an Ashkenazim" and "Ashkenazim Jews" multiple times, and at the same time he claims to live in New York City and be surrounded by Jews all the time. I get that not all Jews are familiar with Hebrew, but it's highly unlikely that any Jew from New York would say "Ashkenazim Jews."

And the fact that he says that all the time combined with being really stereotypical makes me think that he's definitely LARPing.

[Meerkat]

Half ME and half Euro people usually take after one of their parents or turn out somewhere in between the two.

Yeah exactly. And I think most of the time they wouldn't look Ashkenazi regardless of what the Euro side is. A lot of half white and half South Asian people turn out looking Ashkenazi.

[AK-47]

He may have made a typo or just not familiar with Hebrew. Not every single Jew is a liberal Hillary voter ;)
Leto, this woman Meerkat is not well.
As time goes on, you will see what I mean.
You would be well advised not to get caught in her orbit of mental illness.
No need to address her noxious posts.
No typo, I favor the term Ashkenazim.
I use it often.
Meerkat is actually the ignorant and trollish one, here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים‬, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim, aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכְּנַז‬ Y'hudey Ashkenaz),[18] are a Jewish diaspora population who coalesced as a distinct community in the Holy Roman Empire around the end of the first millennium.[19]

[Leto]

Yeah but the thing is that he's said "an Ashkenazim" and "Ashkenazim Jews" multiple times, and at the same time he claims to live in New York City and be surrounded by Jews all the time. I get that not all Jews are familiar with Hebrew, but it's highly unlikely that any Jew from New York would say "Ashkenazim Jews."

And the fact that he says that all the time combined with being really stereotypical makes me think that he's definitely LARPing.
Well, I don't care. I'm only opposed to actual sock puppets who fool other people pretending they're someone else.

[AK-47]

Well, I don't care. I'm only opposed to actual sock puppets who fool other people pretending they're someone else.
It's actually a classic case of projection, Leto.
I legitimately suspect Meerkat of being a poser and a gentile.

[waam]

There's this Arab who works at the supermarket where I live and by the looks of it she is probably half european (a lot of Arabs in Israel are half european because their fathers usually study abroad in europe, and marry there), and she looks extremely Ashkenazi.

[Leto]

(a lot of Arabs in Israel are half european because their fathers usually study abroad in europe, and marry there
Lol, they are not real Arabs then. However, I don't think that's really THAT widespread as you claim.

[Meerkat]

There's this Arab who works at the supermarket where I live and by the looks of it she is probably half european (a lot of Arabs in Israel are half european because their fathers usually study abroad in europe, and marry there), and she looks extremely Ashkenazi.

A lot of pure Levantines look Ashkenazi as well. You don't have to be mixed with European in order to look Ashkenazi. A lot of very typical Ashkenazim don't look European in the slightest.

[waam]

No no she has very visible European mixture, and it's very common in Israel for Arab men to take European wives so it shouldn't strike anyone as a surprise.

[Meerkat]

Leto, this woman Meerkat is not well.
As time goes on, you will see what I mean.
You would be well advised not to get caught in her orbit of mental illness.
No need to address her noxious posts.
No typo, I favor the term Ashkenazim.
I use it often.
Meerkat is actually the ignorant and trollish one, here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים‬, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim, aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכְּנַז‬ Y'hudey Ashkenaz),[18] are a Jewish diaspora population who coalesced as a distinct community in the Holy Roman Empire around the end of the first millennium.[19]

"Ashkenazi" is singular.

"Ashkenazim" is plural.

You can't be "an Ashkenazim"; that would be like saying I am "an Americans."

And saying "Ashkenazim Jews" is like saying "Americans people."

If you were a Jew from New York you would know this.

[Leto]

No no she has very visible European mixture, and it's very common in Israel for Arab men to take European wives so it shouldn't strike anyone as a surprise.
You mean they become Israeli citizens and converts to Islam?

[waam]

I never asked anyone personally but they probably convert to Islam. Yes they become Israeli.

[Bobby Martnen]

I saw a study that said the ratio was more like 75% Southern and 25% other European. But I think there may be some variation among Ashkenazim. For example Romanian/Hungarian and Belorussian/Lithuanian.

What Y-DNA do you think Michael Bolton has?

He's of Russian Jewish origins, and the original surname was "Bolotin"

[Leto]

What Y-DNA do you think Michael Bolton has?

He's of Russian Jewish origins, and the original surname was "Bolotin"
Probably J1, E1b or Q. Who knows.

[Bobby Martnen]

Probably J1, E1b or Q. Who knows.

Q?

[Leto]

Q?
Yeah. It's not uncommon among Jews.

[AK-47]

Attacking my Jewishness is actually pretty typical of Meerkat.
I actually questioned the Jewishness of Meerkat, due to the fact that she seems totally oblivious to the standard range of Ashkenazim phenotypes.
I have already commented that Meerkat either lives in a community with no Jews around her, or she is just a gentile poser.
My best guess is that she probably is indeed Ashkenazi, and just a far left progtard with the typical baggage that accompanies it.
Indoctrinated leftard's like Meerkat generally tow the line that Ashkenazim and Arabs are "cousins" and they attempt to portray us as "people of color."
Anything that conflicts with her libtarded narrative must be attacked.
Meerkat is attempting to cast me as a gentile, for using the plural Ashkenazim, as a term for more than one Ashkenazi Jew.
Clear as day to any non mentally ill poster, that follows my posts that I'm Jewish, and hardly a poser of any kind.
Yes Meerkat, I'm a pro 2nd amendment Jew, that hates Hillary and supports Trump, and yes kid, I was born in and still live in Manhattan.
Deal with it.

[Meerkat]

Attacking my Jewishness is actually pretty typical of Meerkat.
I actually questioned the Jewishness of Meerkat, due to the fact that she seems totally oblivious to the standard range of Ashkenazim phenotypes.
I have already commented that Meerkat either lives in a community with no Jews around her, or she is just a gentile poser.
My best guess is that she probably is indeed Ashkenazi, and just a far left progtard with the typical baggage that accompanies it.
Indoctrinated leftard's like Meerkat generally tow the line that Ashkenazim and Arabs are "cousins" and they attempt to portray us as "people of color."
Anything that conflicts with her libtarded narrative must be attacked.
Meerkat is attempting to cast me as a gentile, for using the plural Ashkenazim, as a term for more than one Ashkenazi Jew.
Clear as day to any non mentally ill poster, that follows my posts that I'm Jewish, and hardly a poser of any kind.
Yes Meerkat, I'm a pro 2nd amendment Jew, that hates Hillary and supports Trump, and yes kid, I was born in and still live in Manhattan.
Deal with it.

I don't have an agenda to prove that Ashkenazim are "people of color" or anything like that. I don't like the whole whites vs. poc dichotomy to begin with.

And for the millionth time, I am not "attacking your Jewishness" because of your political views; it's just that you don't seem real and seem like a non-Jew pretending to be a right-wing Jew.

No Jewish person from New York would say "Ashkenazim phenotypes"; that is like saying "Georgians phenotypes" instead of "Georgian phenotypes."

[AK-47]

He may have made a typo or just not familiar with Hebrew. Not every single Jew is a liberal Hillary voter ;)
To be fair to Meerkat, if one does make any error between singular and plural usage of a word, that does cast doubt on their Jewishness.
Nothing mentally ill with that "logic."
Clearly I know zilch about Jews, and I'm some hick from Arkansas posing as a Jew for some strange reason.
Good on Meerkat for outing me.
Her theory like totally makes sense, and is in no way paranoid, obnoxious and deranged.:picard2:

[Sikeliot]

Yep. And I heard this dumb guy on another forum say: "You would think people who are 50% Levantine 50% Italian would look like Cypriots." I explained to him that Cypriots are just Euro-shifted Middle Easterners and that the "Italian" in Ashkenazi Jews is Northern Italian and Northern Italians often have a generic pan-European look. He keeps claiming that Ashkenazim are too "Northern looking" given our genetics, but that's not true at all.

Half SICILIAN, half Levantine is basically a Cypriot. Half North Italian, half Levantine is basically a Sicilian (or Ashkenazi).


There are subtle differences between Ashkenazi's and southern Italians in genetics.
Ashkenazim did live deep in Eastern Europe for 1000 plus years.
Southern Italians and Sicilians' ancient Levantine component, is likely Phoenician and not Israelite.
Sicilians are more Arabian admixed in regions like Palermo.
There is significant Greek input in regional Sicilian populations, also.
I'm not a typical Sicilian in phenotype, and most Ashkenazim Jews I see tend to be more pale than Sicilians, and have significantly higher rates of red hair in particular.
Ashkenazim, myself included, have higher rates in general of light eyes than Sicilians.
https://image.ibb.co/cG7Lvx/20180213025010_hd.png


Sicilians from some regions (Palermo, Agrigento, Messina) are closer to Ashkenazim, while the Greek input is more to be found around Ragusa and Syracuse. The main genetic difference between Sicilians and Ashkenazim is that there are some Sicilians with Greek ancestry, whereas Ashkenazim do not seem to have a strong Greek component.

Sicilians who do not have as much Greek ancestry are the ones closer to Ashkenazim.

[boredva]

I wouldn't trust gedmatch,tests made by amateurs. Ashkenazim and Sephardic Jews are descended from peoples from Anatolia. Like Greeks and Iranian Jews. Look at real genetic studies that place Jews in anatolia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4860683/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478715/

[Meerkat]

Half SICILIAN, half Levantine is basically a Cypriot. Half North Italian, half Levantine is basically a Sicilian (or Ashkenazi).


Yep exactly. I saw the GEDMatch results of a Cypriot who came out as 55% Druze 45% South Italian on one calculator.

[boredva]

https://khazardnaproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/adna1.jpg

[boredva]

https://khazardnaproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/adna1.jpg from ancient DNA samples

[MysteriousWays]

Probably J1, E1b or Q. Who knows.

R1a is decently common too, but impossible to say.

[AK-47]

"Ashkenazi" is singular.

"Ashkenazim" is plural.

You can't be "an Ashkenazim"; that would be like saying I am "an Americans."

And saying "Ashkenazim Jews" is like saying "Americans people."

If you were a Jew from New York you would know this.
Crazy lady, this is the last time I'm responding to you.
Ashkenazi is singular and Ashkenazim is plural.
If I made a mistake in usage, it's not proof of anything other than a grammatical error.
My writing is far from perfect, but it's better than most on this site.
I'm often on the computer for 12 hours or more in a stretch.
I'm a fair and reasonable poster, and I apologize and admit my character flaws regularly.
I sincerely believe that you're mentally ill, and are the worst poster I have encountered on this site.
Anyone is free to search my posts and see if I throw around such accusations often.
Go away stalker.
Be gone.

[AK-47]

I'm not bothered so much by Meerkat's rudeness or obtuse trolling.
What really bothers me is that a purported Jewess, uses a very minor grammatical error as proof that I'm somehow not Jewish.
Sure, Ashkenazim is used to describe a plural community of Jews, and using Ashkenazim and Jews together is incorrect usage.
Pretty basic mistake and really not much of a concern.
Sad that a bile filled troll, with a nefarious agenda and obsessive compulsive disorder, would pounce on it, and somehow twist that into some lunatic theory that I'm not Jewish.
I'm a pretty intuitive individual and can sense that Meerkat is suffering from a myriad of debilitating mental disorders.
I actually pity her.
Enough time wasted on this broken person, her kind are psychic vampires and feed off negativity.:D

[Meerkat]

Crazy lady, this is the last time I'm responding to you.
Ashkenazi is singular and Ashkenazim is plural.
If I made a mistake in usage, it's not proof of anything other than a grammatical error.

Yes it most certainly is.

The same way no native English speaker would say "Americans people" instead of "Americans" or "American people," no Jew from New York would say "Ashkenazim Jews" instead of "Ashkenazim" or "Ashkenazi Jews."

Yes, there are grammatical errors that a native English speaker would make, but "Americans people" wouldn't be one of them. I'm pretty sure that every single Jew from New York knows that "Ashkenazim" is plural for "Ashkenazi."

[Bobby Martnen]

R1a is decently common too, but impossible to say.

He could even be I1, like Hamlet was

[Sikeliot]

Yep exactly. I saw the GEDMatch results of a Cypriot who came out as 55% Druze 45% South Italian on one calculator.

If we consider that southern Italians can be modeled as half Levantine and half North Italian, then Cypriots should come out like Levantines shifting 1/4 or 1/5 of the way toward northern Italy.

[Leto]

R1a is decently common too, but impossible to say.
Less than 5% is not common at all.

[Bobby Martnen]

If we consider that southern Italians can be modeled as half Levantine and half North Italian, then Cypriots should come out like Levantines shifting 1/4 or 1/5 of the way toward northern Italy.

How much do they shift towards Mainland Greece?

[Sikeliot]

How much do they shift towards Mainland Greece?

I don't think they really shift toward them much except in the sense of generally being more toward Southern Europe than a pure Levantine is.

[MysteriousWays]

Less than 5% is not common at all.

In most studies I have seen, it's more like 10-15% but OK

[Kamal900]

It's actually a classic case of projection, Leto.
I legitimately suspect Meerkat of being a poser and a gentile.

The same way I suspect of you in being that Israeli Jew who ran away to Belgium due to his refusal in serving in the Israeli army for his laziness and so on. You barely have any understanding and knowledge on how genetics work.

[Kamal900]

I'm not bothered so much by Meerkat's rudeness or obtuse trolling.
What really bothers me is that a purported Jewess, uses a very minor grammatical error as proof that I'm somehow not Jewish.
Sure, Ashkenazim is used to describe a plural community of Jews, and using Ashkenazim and Jews together is incorrect usage.
Pretty basic mistake and really not much of a concern.
Sad that a bile filled troll, with a nefarious agenda and obsessive compulsive disorder, would pounce on it, and somehow twist that into some lunatic theory that I'm not Jewish.
I'm a pretty intuitive individual and can sense that Meerkat is suffering from a myriad of debilitating mental disorders.
I actually pity her.
Enough time wasted on this broken person, her kind are psychic vampires and feed off negativity.:D

The perpect description of Jews since antiquity. The narrsistic hypocrisey that is puring out of you is truly revolting. Just admit that you're not an American but rather than Israeli troll that is living in Belgium.

[Kamal900]

Many "Palestinians" and Syrians are transplanted gulf Arabs.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/handsome-black-man-laughing-late-s-face-hand-isolated-white-background-61785199.jpg


The ADMIXTURE results indicate that K = 6 (Fig. 4 and Table 1; other K plots are displayed in S38 Fig.) is the number of clusters that best represents the population structure of the analysed populations. Here it is already possible to distinguish between a Southwest Asian/Caucasian and an Arabian/North African component; these two components have similar proportions of ∼30% each in Yemen and UAE, but the Arabian/North African proportion increases to 52–60% in Saudi and Bedouin. In Near Eastern populations, correspondingly, the Southwest Asian/Caucasian component rises to ∼50% and the Arabian/North African cluster decreases to ∼20–30%, even in Palestinians (similar to the Samaritans and some of the Druze), highlighting their primarily indigenous origin, with the most extreme values for the Druze, carrying the Southwest Asian/Caucasian component at ∼80%.

European background is higher in Near Eastern populations (around 9–15%) than in Arabia (1.5–5%) while the African ancestry is ∼25% in Yemen, and then 4–8% in all Arabian and Near East populations except in Samaritans and Druze, with 0–2%. The UAE has a substantial pool from South Asia (21%) similar to the proportion displayed in Iran (24%), which falls to below 10% in all other Arabian and Near Eastern populations, except Turkey (18%).

ADMIXTURE allows us to calculate FST values between the components in order to quantify their similarity (Fig. 5A). For K = 6, Arabia showed a lower distance from the Near East (0.046), than from Europe (0.052), eastern Africa (0.098) and finally western Africa (0.140). Arabia and the Near East have similar genetic distances from eastern African (0.098 and 0.097, respectively), double that of the value between western and eastern Africa (0.046). When evaluating FST values in pairwise comparisons between Arabian and Near Eastern populations (Fig. 5B), we see that FST values are higher between Yemen and all other populations (and also for comparisons with Samaritans, but these results may be biased by low sample size). The UAE is closer to Jordan, Syria and Lebanon than Saudi Arabia is; while Saudi are closer to Palestinians, Druze and Samaritans than UAE. Thus, FST values support lower or similar genetic distances between UAE and Near Eastern populations as between Saudi and Near Eastern populations, while Yemen is clearly more divergent.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118625

[Bobby Martnen]

The perpect description of Jews since antiquity. The narrsistic hypocrisey that is puring out of you is truly revolting. Just admit that you're not an American but rather than Israeli troll that is living in Belgium.

Acquisit0r?

I don't think so, because Acquisit0r posted gross sexual stuff 24/7

[Kamal900]

Acquisit0r?

I don't think so, because Acquisit0r posted gross sexual stuff 24/7

The man is an illustrious troller, and the way he talks and his tone towards me and others made very suspicious of him being the same guy as that Israeli man living in Belgium. I know it's gonna sound funny or whatever, but like a camel I never forget those who had hurted me in the past, and this "American" guy talks and behaves in a very similar manner as that Israeli guy. Again, do you remember our Indian "friend", Fractal? When he first began posting here, he pretended to be a German guy who kept on praising Indians on how awesome they are in comparison to others and so on? It was some member here who pulled his pants down and revealed his true identity. Again, the apricity is very well known in having such people here.

Remember, fantasy role playing is key for many trollers on the internet, and this guy is no exception. Just read the posts in Acquisit0r's account and compare them to that guy's postings.

[Meerkat]

Acquisit0r?

I don't think so, because Acquisit0r posted gross sexual stuff 24/7

Yeah I totally see why he thinks he's Acquisit0r, but I don't think there are any Israeli Jews who don't know that "Ashkenazim" is plural of "Ashkenazi."

I really think he's a non-Jew roleplaying as Jewish, but I could be wrong. He just doesn't sound like a real person, and his grammatical errors make it obvious.

[Kamal900]

Yeah I totally see why he thinks he's Acquisit0r, but I don't think there are any Israeli Jews who don't know that "Ashkenazim" is plural of "Ashkenazi."

I really think he's a non-Jew roleplaying as Jewish, but I could be wrong. He just doesn't sound like a real person, and his grammatical errors make it obvious.

Nabatea/TheBedouin knows the guy since Acquisit0r is actually a guy from another forum. When I asked him if it's true that he's an Israeli guy living in Belgium or whatever he didn't really denied it or anything. Again, the way he talks and his tone to me, you and others made me very suspicious of him.

[Mingle]

^ He's definitely not Acquisit0r. Their writing styles are completely different. Just cause they're both Jewish doesn't mean they're the same person.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yeah I totally see why he thinks he's Acquisit0r, but I don't think there are any Israeli Jews who don't know that "Ashkenazim" is plural of "Ashkenazi."

I really think he's a non-Jew roleplaying as Jewish, but I could be wrong. He just doesn't sound like a real person, and his grammatical errors make it obvious.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1f448bzFleG

[Bobby Martnen]

^ He's definitely not Acquisit0r. Their writing styles are completely different. Just cause they're both Jewish doesn't mean they're the same person.

Also Acquisit0r posted sex stuff all the time, and AK doesn't.

[Meerkat]

Also Acquisit0r posted sex stuff all the time, and AK doesn't.

And Acquisit0r hated talking about phenotypes and where people pass.

And like I said, I think an Israeli would know proper Hebrew grammar.

[Bobby Martnen]

And Acquisit0r hated talking about phenotypes and where people pass.

And like I said, I think an Israeli would know proper Hebrew grammar.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1f448bzFleG

[Kamal900]

^ He's definitely not Acquisit0r. Their writing styles are completely different. Just cause they're both Jewish doesn't mean they're the same person.

Really? Have you actually read the posts between him and AK-47? No, I'm not stupid or infantile of me to base my evidence simply because both of these shady characters are Jewish. Again, his tone and his language towards me and others made me suspicious about him. Again, the apricity is well known in having such people here. Fractal for example is a prime example of that.

As I said, I have no solid proof about that, but it just made me suspicious of him, that's all.

[Kamal900]

And Acquisit0r hated talking about phenotypes and where people pass.

And like I said, I think an Israeli would know proper Hebrew grammar.

He might be a White nationalist from some site or forum like the Daily Stormer or whatever that is pretending to be a Jew for the sake in making look bad or something. I mean, there was once an incident when a WN pretending to be a Jewish author of the times of Israel a few years back managed to hack the site and written a very racist and provoking article against non-Jews. Whatever's the case, he is certainly not much credible when it comes to anthropology and genetics, and really, he's on the same basket as other trolls here like Fractal, Rolando Grande or whatever the fuck his name was(he was a Brazillian member who kept on creating countless sockpuppet accounts after he was banned for posting disgusting content here) and so on.

[Mingle]

Really? Have you actually read the posts between him and AK-47? No, I'm not stupid or infantile of me to base my evidence simply because both of these shady characters are Jewish. Again, his tone and his language towards me and others made me suspicious about him. Again, the apricity is well known in having such people here. Fractal for example is a prime example of that.

As I said, I have no solid proof about that, but it just made me suspicious of him, that's all.

Both are just a bit nationalistic. They don't have much in common. Acquisit0r doesn't sound like an American whereas AK-47 does.

[Kamal900]

Both are just a bit nationalistic. They don't have much in common. Acquisit0r doesn't sound like an American whereas AK-47 does.

A bit? lol. He came to my thread and began insulting my cousin and my people out of nowhere:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238874-Classify-my-maternal-cousin/page2

Again, the fact that he refuses to answer ANY of my posts regarding whether or not he's the same guy as that Israeli guy living in Belgium just made me even more suspicious of him. Again, the apricity is well known in having banned members pretending to be someone else hence the terminology "sockpuppet" is used to describe such people.

[Mingle]

A bit? lol. He came to my thread and began insulting my cousin and my people out of nowhere:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238874-Classify-my-maternal-cousin/page2

Again, the fact that he refuses to answer ANY of my posts regarding whether or not he's the same guy as that Israeli guy living in Belgium just made me even more suspicious of him. Again, the apricity is well known in having banned members pretending to be someone hence the terminology "sockpuppet" is used to describe such people.

I didn't literally mean only "a bit". My point was that them being nationalists was the only thing they have in common. Their writing is completely different. AK-47 talks like an American whose first language is English. Acquisit0r sounds completely different. I don't get why its even that important anyways.

[Kamal900]

I didn't literally mean only "a bit". My point was that them being nationalists was the only thing they have in common. Their writing is completely different. AK-47 talks like an American whose first language is English. Acquisit0r sounds completely different. I don't get why its even that important anyways.

Because such people really get on my nerves, especially when they start attacking others. I mean, remember Fractal for example? He pretended to be a German who kept on insulting others and praising Indians and so on until someone exposed him for being an Indian himself. While the guy isn't on the same level as him, he's still an asshole who insults others and puts his people above the pedestal like Fractal.

[Anglojew]

I found a relative of mine on gedmatch whose Half Palestinian Christian and half white American. I ran his kit and many tests assign him Ashkenazi as one of the top results.





MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1South_and_West_European38.66
2Middle_East22.32
3North_and_East_European20.75
4Caucaus_Parsia15.10
5Indian1.19

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazim_V @ 2.768209
2 Jew_Romania @ 7.929392
3 Greek_South @ 8.284346
4 Greek_North @ 9.212742
5 Italian-Center @ 11.466781
6 Greek_Center @ 11.624181
7 Gagauz @ 11.708804
8 Greek_East @ 11.967515
9 Sicilian @ 13.461121
10 Bulgarian @ 14.104164
11 Italian-South @ 14.308277
12 Ashkenazim @ 15.348783
13 Macedonian @ 16.142460
14 Italian-North @ 16.158621
15 Greek_Cretan @ 16.970928
16 Romania @ 17.371918
17 Jew_France @ 17.439251
18 Jew_Italia @ 17.928949
19 Montenegrin @ 18.030523
20 Italian_North @ 19.077658

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bosnian +50% Jew_Tunisia @ 1.810364


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Tunisia +25% Gagauz +25% Sorb @ 1.078064


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Jew_Italia + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.514597
2 Jew_France + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.614170
3 Samaritian + Russian_cossack + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.647076
4 Samaritian + Jew_Tunisia + CEU + CEU @ 0.656535
5 Russian_Center + Jew_France + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.702929
6 Lithuanian_V + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.705379
7 Samaritian + Welsh + Jew_Tunisia + CEU @ 0.716515
8 Samaritian + Hungarian + Sephardim + CEU @ 0.747572
9 Russian + Jew_France + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.766412
10 Russian_Center + Jew_Italia + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.773630
11 Jew_Italia + Greek_North + Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia @ 0.774646
12 Belarusian + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.776992
13 Russian + Jew_Italia + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_South @ 0.791169
14 Samaritian + Belarusian_V + Greek_Cretan + Portugese @ 0.796439
15 Samaritian + Russian_V + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.797562
16 Samaritian + Slovenian + Sephardim + CEU @ 0.806162
17 Russian + Jew_Tunisia + Sephardim + Greek_South @ 0.813288
18 Samaritian + Hungarian + Welsh + Sephardim @ 0.820334
19 Samaritian + Russian_South + Iberian + Greek_Cretan @ 0.829854
20 Russian_Center + Jew_France + Jew_Libya + Greek_South @ 0.851996







puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1SW_Europe32.94
2NE_Europe27.82
3West_Asia20.82
4SW_Asia13.93
5West_Africa1.35
6Americas1.34

Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 6.624801
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.756689
3 Kosovar @ 7.044274
4 Greek_Central @ 8.434209
5 Bulgarian @ 8.704168
6 Macedonian @ 9.211697
7 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.499961
8 Romanian @ 9.727286
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 10.357078
10 Montenegrin @ 10.998377
11 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 13.049168
12 Serbian @ 13.816471
13 Italian_Sicilian @ 14.571710
14 Italian_Bergamo @ 15.071554
15 Sephardic_Jew @ 17.291582
16 Bosnian @ 17.324669
17 Moldavian @ 19.040251
18 Croatian @ 19.722961
19 Spaniard @ 20.446041
20 Turkish_Aydin @ 21.904053

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Utahn_European @ 2.485948


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Palestinian +25% Ukrainian @ 2.253307


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cypriot + German_South + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.130547
2 Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Palestinian + Utahn_European @ 2.156994
3 Cypriot + English + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.165204
4 Assyrian + Estonian + French_Basque + Jordanian @ 2.168012
5 Ashkenazy_Jew + Montenegrin + Norwegian + Palestinian @ 2.176598
6 Cypriot + Irish + Irish + Palestinian @ 2.181341
7 Armenian + Estonian + French_Basque + Palestinian @ 2.182046
8 Belarusian + Greek_Central + Italian_Tuscan + Jordanian @ 2.188035
9 Greek_Central + Irish + Montenegrin + Palestinian @ 2.195390
10 Belarusian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian @ 2.196935
11 English + Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Palestinian @ 2.198323
12 Cypriot + Irish + Palestinian + Utahn_European @ 2.198776
13 Greek_Central + Montenegrin + Orcadian + Palestinian @ 2.202755
14 Ashkenazy_Jew + Bosnian + Palestinian + Scottish @ 2.204519
15 Cypriot + English + German_North + Jordanian @ 2.209383
16 Cypriot + German_South + Palestinian + Swedish @ 2.218346
17 Cypriot + Norwegian + Palestinian + Scottish @ 2.218489
18 Albanian + Belarusian + Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian @ 2.218513
19 Cypriot + Palestinian + Scottish + Utahn_European @ 2.219334
20 Cypriot + German_North + Jordanian + Utahn_European @ 2.224508




Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med24.71
2Baltic19.67
3West_Med17.93
4North_Atlantic17.60
5West_Asian10.12
6Red_Sea7.05
7Northeast_African1.33

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.078651
2 Bulgarian @ 9.430357
3 Romanian @ 11.918304
4 Central_Greek @ 12.444420
5 East_Sicilian @ 12.960811
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.675026
7 Ashkenazi @ 14.054113
8 West_Sicilian @ 14.261455
9 Tuscan @ 15.202971
10 Serbian @ 16.129192
11 South_Italian @ 17.119114
12 North_Italian @ 19.413641
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.673113
14 Moldavian @ 22.065809
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.117805
16 Italian_Jewish @ 22.138384
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 25.284540
18 Libyan_Jewish @ 25.358402
19 Croatian @ 25.389385
20 Hungarian @ 25.399920

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.161038


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 2.517684


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Croatian + Samaritan @ 2.162367
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Samaritan + West_Sicilian @ 2.331027
3 Algerian_Jewish + Polish + Samaritan + Serbian @ 2.363844
4 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.370392
5 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Libyan_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.385249
6 Algerian_Jewish + Croatian + Samaritan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.394003
7 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 2.438813
8 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.466372
9 Central_Greek + East_Sicilian + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.484172
10 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.490123
11 Croatian + Croatian + Italian_Jewish + Samaritan @ 2.517684
12 East_Sicilian + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 2.519663
13 East_Sicilian + East_Sicilian + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.519918
14 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.520376
15 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.526461
16 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.538689
17 Algerian_Jewish + East_Sicilian + East_Sicilian + Lithuanian @ 2.538712
18 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 2.558057
19 Belorussian + East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.589957
20 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.605828

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No surprise. AJs are half Judean & half Euro (Goth, Slav, Scyth mostly in my opinion) & a little Khazar

[Meerkat]

No surprise. AJs are half Judean & half Euro (Goth, Slav, Scyth mostly in my opinion) & a little KhazarThat's not true.

Gedmatch calculators for pure Ashkenazim always come out as half Levantine (either Lebanese or Syrian) and half some part of Southern Europe that isn't extremely southern (like Northern Italy, Albania or Bulgaria), and so I don't think that the Goth, Slav and Scythian ancestry could be significant.

https://i.imgur.com/kIE04Li.jpg

See? Those are my brother's MDLP World results, and he's 92.6% Ashkenazi according to MyHeritage.

Like I said, the person whose GEDMatch results OP posted is more northern-shifted than an Ashkenazi.

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[Bobby Martnen]

my people

I thought you were Emirati?

[Kamal900]

I thought you were Emirati?

Um..no. I live in the UAE but I'm a Palestinian. So..yeah.

[Anglojew]

That's not true.

Gedmatch calculators for pure Ashkenazim always come out as half Levantine (either Lebanese or Syrian) and half some part of Southern Europe that isn't extremely southern (like Northern Italy, Albania or Bulgaria), and so I don't think that the Goth, Slav and Scythian ancestry could be significant.

https://i.imgur.com/kIE04Li.jpg

See? Those are my brother's MDLP World results, and he's 92.6% Ashkenazi according to MyHeritage.

Like I said, the person whose GEDMatch results OP posted is more northern-shifted than an Ashkenazi.

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18% YDNA haplogroups R:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1a1aaf2c80ec860c2aa8a7ce107ec2c3

But more significantly MtDNA with 81% European (Esp. U5, H etc):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WZf9-QXTXa4/UlRIo-tQSlI/AAAAAAAAJKk/e_Udbvh0ChA/s1600/ncomms3543-f10.jpg