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Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 11:41 AM
Kit Num: Z254561

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 34.87
2 E-African 27.78
3 Mediterranean 20.04
4 W-African 11.61
5 S-Indian 1.62
6 SE-Asian 1.42
7 Beringian 1.07
8 Papuan 1.06


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 libya_henn2012 @ 21.885094
2 saharawi_henn2012 @ 23.457977
3 moroccan_behar @ 23.768915
4 algeria_henn2012 @ 26.455385
5 mozabite_hgdp @ 26.581551
6 morocco-s_henn2012 @ 29.171026
7 ethiopian-jew_behar @ 30.624931
8 tygray_pagani @ 30.883831
9 ethiopian_behar @ 31.299780
10 amhara_pagani @ 32.159107
11 morocco-n_henn2012 @ 32.573685
12 afar_pagani @ 33.129456
13 egypt_henn2012 @ 34.053448
14 egyptian_behar @ 35.625809
15 tunisia_henn2012 @ 36.480476
16 oromo_pagani @ 36.822025
17 yemenese_behar @ 37.245686
18 somali_reich @ 38.008183
19 somali_harappa @ 39.312382
20 sandawe_henn2011 @ 40.579311

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +50% mozabite_hgdp @ 7.115479


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +25% morocco-s_henn2012 +25% mozabite_hgdp @ 6.335257


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 6.335257
2 ariblacksmith_pagani + morocco-s_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.367909
3 aricultivator_pagani + morocco-s_henn2012 + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.432889
4 maasai_1000genomes + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.452094
5 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 6.468756
6 maasai_hapmap + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.471620
7 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 6.615509
8 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.675050
9 qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + sudanese_pagani @ 6.683753
10 ariblacksmith_pagani + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 @ 6.734359
11 maasai_1000genomes + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.807070
12 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 @ 6.820513
13 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.822774
14 ariblacksmith_pagani + bedouin_hgdp + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.860982
15 anuak_pagani + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.871549
16 mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + sudanese_pagani @ 6.873597
17 aricultivator_pagani + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 @ 6.880802
18 aricultivator_pagani + bedouin_hgdp + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.935529
19 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 @ 6.963044
20 maasai_hapmap + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 6.971388




Kit Num: Z398780

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 38.60
2 E-African 28.93
3 Mediterranean 16.67
4 W-African 10.37
5 Siberian 1.52
6 American 1.06


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 libya_henn2012 @ 23.502832
2 saharawi_henn2012 @ 27.092142
3 moroccan_behar @ 27.652470
4 ethiopian-jew_behar @ 27.813017
5 tygray_pagani @ 28.539022
6 ethiopian_behar @ 28.601326
7 amhara_pagani @ 29.813110
8 mozabite_hgdp @ 30.306442
9 algeria_henn2012 @ 30.493010
10 afar_pagani @ 30.928524
11 morocco-s_henn2012 @ 33.865826
12 egypt_henn2012 @ 34.660233
13 oromo_pagani @ 34.916462
14 egyptian_behar @ 35.799225
15 somali_reich @ 36.419861
16 morocco-n_henn2012 @ 36.704643
17 yemenese_behar @ 36.803520
18 somali_harappa @ 37.028908
19 qatari_henn2012 @ 38.526527
20 bedouin_hgdp @ 38.889538

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +50% moroccan_behar @ 8.472501


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +25% moroccan_behar +25% mozabite_hgdp @ 8.413232


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 ariblacksmith_pagani + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.202908
2 aricultivator_pagani + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.329753
3 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.413232
4 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.435355
5 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 8.472501
6 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.482253
7 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.517167
8 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 8.553280
9 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.559402
10 maasai_1000genomes + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.564825
11 ariblacksmith_pagani + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.576731
12 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.610366
13 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.628104
14 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 8.649740
15 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.657415
16 ariblacksmith_pagani + moroccan_behar + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.671280
17 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.679742
18 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.721685
19 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 8.739717
20 aricultivator_pagani + mozabite_hgdp + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 8.764192




Kit Num: Z021633

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 36.81
2 E-African 29.86
3 Mediterranean 17.51
4 W-African 9.92
5 S-Indian 1.61
6 Papuan 1.52
7 Siberian 1.28


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 libya_henn2012 @ 23.980087
2 saharawi_henn2012 @ 26.856466
3 ethiopian-jew_behar @ 27.224146
4 moroccan_behar @ 27.466803
5 tygray_pagani @ 27.808384
6 ethiopian_behar @ 27.952984
7 amhara_pagani @ 29.061588
8 afar_pagani @ 30.083582
9 algeria_henn2012 @ 30.085899
10 mozabite_hgdp @ 30.120913
11 morocco-s_henn2012 @ 33.301346
12 oromo_pagani @ 33.949081
13 egypt_henn2012 @ 34.820206
14 somali_reich @ 35.312817
15 morocco-n_henn2012 @ 36.039703
16 egyptian_behar @ 36.077450
17 somali_harappa @ 36.192890
18 yemenese_behar @ 37.430019
19 somali_pagani @ 38.747440
20 esomali_pagani @ 38.785614

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +50% moroccan_behar @ 7.102479


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +25% moroccan_behar +25% mozabite_hgdp @ 7.010492


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.010492
2 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.013835
3 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.018736
4 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.037632
5 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.037677
6 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.076345
7 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.102479
8 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.125745
9 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.163659
10 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.236262
11 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.236995
12 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.245651
13 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.260804
14 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.264853
15 ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp + somali_harappa @ 7.265075
16 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + mozabite_hgdp + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.283383
17 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.309709
18 ariblacksmith_pagani + qatari_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.313092
19 ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp + somali_harappa @ 7.379860
20 ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp + somali_reich @ 7.417394




Kit Num: Z554001

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW-Asian 36.50
2 E-African 29.52
3 Mediterranean 17.79
4 W-African 10.83
5 American 1.69
6 SE-Asian 1.09


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 libya_henn2012 @ 23.679079
2 saharawi_henn2012 @ 26.336699
3 moroccan_behar @ 26.831261
4 ethiopian-jew_behar @ 27.916325
5 tygray_pagani @ 28.447508
6 ethiopian_behar @ 28.636776
7 algeria_henn2012 @ 29.534351
8 mozabite_hgdp @ 29.559971
9 amhara_pagani @ 29.693367
10 afar_pagani @ 30.711624
11 morocco-s_henn2012 @ 32.396366
12 oromo_pagani @ 34.517025
13 egypt_henn2012 @ 34.783562
14 morocco-n_henn2012 @ 35.613655
15 somali_reich @ 35.835911
16 egyptian_behar @ 36.020905
17 somali_harappa @ 36.792336
18 yemenese_behar @ 37.407436
19 somali_pagani @ 39.306011
20 esomali_pagani @ 39.341900

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +50% moroccan_behar @ 7.233716


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ethiopian-jew_behar +25% morocco-s_henn2012 +25% saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.126975


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.126975
2 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.162034
3 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.178006
4 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.204237
5 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.232269
6 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.233716
7 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.247039
8 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.264288
9 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.265481
10 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.296715
11 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + moroccan_behar @ 7.313723
12 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.331117
13 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + moroccan_behar + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.342088
14 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + saharawi_henn2012 @ 7.379347
15 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.412557
16 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.415300
17 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + mozabite_hgdp + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.419971
18 ethiopian_behar + ethiopian_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 + mozabite_hgdp @ 7.442707
19 ethiopian-jew_behar + ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + morocco-s_henn2012 @ 7.462641
20 ethiopian-jew_behar + moroccan_behar + mozabite_hgdp + somali_harappa @ 7.503580

Sp_loa
03-26-2018, 03:11 PM
Apparently they were much more Sub-Saharan than modern day North Africans. Very interesting.

Kamal900
03-26-2018, 03:14 PM
Apparently they were much more Sub-Saharan than modern day North Africans. Very interesting.

Apparently, they're 1/3rd SSA. It proves really that the SSA ancestry among the Maghreb is pretty ancient and not recent or anything like that.

Sp_loa
03-26-2018, 03:17 PM
Apparently, they're 1/3rd SSA. It proves really that the SSA ancestry among the Maghreb is pretty ancient and not recent or anything like that.

Interestingly enough the SSA part seem to be similar to modern day east Africans- Ethiopians, Somalis and ect... Maybe back then West Africans and East Africans were similar? I also wonder what is the source of SW Asian DNA, it was thousand of years before the Arabs arrived to North Africa..
Another interesting question- what caused modern day Moroccans to become almost full caucasian? mixing with what population?

Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 03:24 PM
Apparently, they're 1/3rd SSA. It proves really that the SSA ancestry among the Maghreb is pretty ancient and not recent or anything like that.

It's remarkable that modern Moroccans score the same amount of West African as their 15k yo counterparts.

Marmara
03-26-2018, 03:40 PM
This was expected. Dark skinned (almost black) eb1's were the first inhabitants of Middle-East/North Africa. Only later Js and others bleached there.

Kamal900
03-26-2018, 04:18 PM
It's remarkable that modern Moroccans score the same amount of West African as their 15k yo counterparts.

Indeed. Again, their west African ancestry is very ancient rather than recent as what some people claim or something.

happycow
03-26-2018, 04:20 PM
very cool

Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 04:47 PM
Indeed. Again, their west African ancestry is very ancient rather than recent as what some people claim or something.

Exactly. Now that we have ancient DNA, we can only laugh to the crap people said in the 20th and 19th century about ancient peoples...

Aren
03-26-2018, 05:05 PM
Indeed. Again, their west African ancestry is very ancient rather than recent as what some people claim or something.

And the Egyptian mummies being far less East African than modern day Egpytians? What does that tell us?

StonyArabia
03-26-2018, 05:11 PM
Apparently, they're 1/3rd SSA. It proves really that the SSA ancestry among the Maghreb is pretty ancient and not recent or anything like that.

Yep and it shows that the slave trade influence is rather very minimal, unlike what Eurocentrists claim.

Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 05:23 PM
And the Egyptian mummies being far less East African than modern day Egpytians? What does that tell us?

They were low quality, late Egyptians from the north of Egypt. I think in Upper Egypt people were more like the modern Egyptian sample.
Actually I know little about Egypt so I do not want to draw any conclusion.

Smeagol
03-26-2018, 05:28 PM
Exactly. Now that we have ancient DNA, we can only laugh to the crap people said in the 20th and 19th century about ancient peoples...

Except that the genes don't really contradict any of it. In fact, they agree perfectly with Coon's description of Mesolithic North Africans in Origin of Races as predominantly Caucasoid with significant ''native African'' admixture. Obviously, they became much more Caucasoid later on with the Neolithic expansion from the Near East and other Eurasian invasions/migrations, while the slave trade partially reversed the trend since the Muslims arrived, same as in Egypt.

StonyArabia
03-26-2018, 05:32 PM
They were low quality, late Egyptians from the north of Egypt. I think in Upper Egypt people were more like the modern Egyptian sample.
Actually I know little about Egypt so I do not want to draw any conclusion.

The three samples were Greco-Roman shifted which might mean they were colonists. Three samples not conclusive.

Smeagol
03-26-2018, 05:40 PM
The three samples were Greco-Roman shifted which might mean they were colonists. Three samples not conclusive.

No, they weren't European shifted at all, and predate any Greeks or Romans in Egypt.

Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 05:43 PM
The three samples were Greco-Roman shifted which might mean they were colonists. Three samples not conclusive.

There was nothing European in those samples, I only remember one sample which had something like 15% West_Med and 7% Northeast_African.

Aren
03-26-2018, 05:44 PM
They were low quality, late Egyptians from the north of Egypt. I think in Upper Egypt people were more like the modern Egyptian sample.
Actually I know little about Egypt so I do not want to draw any conclusion.

All three showed about the same results. You can't nitpick. There's a much bigger probabilty that modern day North Africans are descendands of ancient Egyptians + some Arabian + a significant SSA input. Rather than being direct descendants of these 15k year old samples(LOL). You can't really think there has been this kind of genetic continuity in North Africa?

Haider
03-26-2018, 05:52 PM
So the SSA in North Africans is very ancient. Another anthrofora myth proved to be exactly the opposite of they claimed. Next.

Aren
03-26-2018, 06:06 PM
So the SSA in North Africans is very ancient. Another anthrofora myth proved to be exactly the opposite of they claimed. Next.

Yeah cause 15 000 year old samples contributed more to modern day North Africans than the much later Egpytian mummies :picard1:

Ajeje Brazorf
03-26-2018, 06:24 PM
All three showed about the same results. You can't nitpick. There's a much bigger probabilty that modern day North Africans are descendands of ancient Egyptians + some Arabian + a significant SSA input. Rather than being direct descendants of these 15k year old samples(LOL). You can't really think there has been this kind of genetic continuity in North Africa?

I wasn't nitpicking, I just chose the best quality one (which was low quality itself). Lol, Maghrebis and Egyptians are not to put in the same bag. I was just stating that the West_African in Moroccans did not arrive in the Middle Ages but was very ancient.

Haider
03-26-2018, 06:32 PM
Yeah cause 15 000 year old samples contributed more to modern day North Africans than the much later Egpytian mummies :picard1:

We're talking about Maghrebis/North Africans here, not Egyptians who have always been a West Asian population.

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 09:43 PM
Looks like Morocco got a later influx from Iberia and then from the Levant.

Leto
03-26-2018, 10:29 PM
The SSA in North Africa might as well be both ancient and medieval.

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 10:39 PM
The SSA in North Africa might as well be both ancient and medieval.

It's less than it is today which must mean that waves of Iberian and Levantine migration reduced it.

Aren
03-26-2018, 10:40 PM
It's less than it is today which must mean that waves of Iberian and Levantine migration reduced it.

Is this gonna be your "thing" now? "Iberians in North Africa hurr durr!!11!"

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 10:41 PM
Is this gonna be your "thing" now? "Iberians in North Africa hurr durr!!11!"

Well, considering that such migration is proven to have occurred, I think in this particular thread it is worth discussing. You do not have to be nasty, I have never been that way to you.

Leto
03-26-2018, 10:42 PM
It's less than it is today which must mean that waves of Iberian and Levantine migration reduced it.
Maybe they did, who the heck knows. Of course blacks have been present in Southern Maghreb since the dawn of time.

Aren
03-26-2018, 11:04 PM
Well, considering that such migration is proven to have occurred, I think in this particular thread it is worth discussing. You do not have to be nasty, I have never been that way to you.

I'm not being nasty lol! I'm just fascinated how you keep repeating some mantras over and over again.
Don't take it personally.

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 11:05 PM
I'm not being nasty lol! I'm just fascinated how you keep repeating some mantras over and over again.
Don't take it personally.


Well I didn't repeat it more than once in this thread so you can lose the attitude. There is no need for that shit.

Aren
03-26-2018, 11:07 PM
Well I didn't repeat it more than once in this thread so you can lose the attitude. There is no need for that shit.

Nah you've been saying it in other threads too. Don't act like a spoiled liberal millennial no one has attacked you.

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 11:08 PM
Nah you've been saying it in other threads too. Don't act like a spoiled liberal millennial no one has attacked you.

It was pertinent in the threads where I mentioned it. I am telling you to lose the attitude and stop being a little bitch for no reason.

Aren
03-26-2018, 11:11 PM
It was pertinent in the threads where I mentioned it. I am telling you to lose the attitude and stop being a little bitch for no reason.

What attitude?

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 11:12 PM
What attitude?

See your comment on the other page. I did not even talk to you to warrant your rude ass comment.

Insuperable
03-26-2018, 11:13 PM
Indeed. Again, their west African ancestry is very ancient rather than recent as what some people claim or something.

A lot of things can happen in 15000 years, depopulations, replacements and migrations. That is like saying that South Slav I2 is native to area because it was carried by Balkan HG 15000 years ago.

Aren
03-26-2018, 11:14 PM
See your comment on the other page. I did not even talk to you to warrant your rude ass comment.

How is my comment considered rude? It's the fucking internet

Sikeliot
03-26-2018, 11:17 PM
How is my comment considered rude? It's the fucking internet

It was unnecessary. That's all. Let's just try to be nice.

Leto
03-26-2018, 11:18 PM
A lot of things can happen in 15000 years, depopulations, replacements and migrations. That is like saying that South Slav I2 is native to area because it was carried by Balkan HG 15000 years ago.
I2 is an indigenous European haplogroup.

Insuperable
03-26-2018, 11:19 PM
I2 is an indigenous European haplogroup.

I2 being indigenous to Europe or not has nothing to do with my post.

Kamal900
03-27-2018, 03:36 PM
Exactly. Now that we have ancient DNA, we can only laugh to the crap people said in the 20th and 19th century about ancient peoples...

Well, science is key to knowledge really.

Kamal900
03-27-2018, 03:37 PM
How is my comment considered rude? It's the fucking internet

That's no excuse, bro.

Kamal900
03-27-2018, 03:38 PM
A lot of things can happen in 15000 years, depopulations, replacements and migrations. That is like saying that South Slav I2 is native to area because it was carried by Balkan HG 15000 years ago.

But the ancient North Africans are genetically the closest to the modern day Maghreb, so it's very unlikely that their genetics have changed all that much really.

User50
03-28-2018, 06:10 PM
Except that the genes don't really contradict any of it. In fact, they agree perfectly with Coon's description of Mesolithic North Africans in Origin of Races as predominantly Caucasoid with significant ''native African'' admixture. Obviously, they became much more Caucasoid later on with the Neolithic expansion from the Near East and other Eurasian invasions/migrations, while the slave trade partially reversed the trend since the Muslims arrived, same as in Egypt.


This is probably correct.

This study suggests that the first North Africans might have come north from sub-Saharan Africa, rather than South from Israel as sometimes suggested.