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Ajeje Brazorf
03-27-2018, 04:16 PM
Kivutkalns207, Late Bronze Age, 800-200 BC
Kit Num: RA5758803

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 43.74
2 Eastern_Euro 31.59
3 North_Sea 14.36
4 Atlantic 9.29

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 15.734270
2 Erzya @ 17.958105
3 Estonian_Polish @ 18.783714
4 Belorussian @ 18.994808
5 Southwest_Russian @ 19.416451
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.892614
7 Kargopol_Russian @ 20.848316
8 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.264290
9 Estonian @ 22.454384
10 Polish @ 23.798412
11 Ukrainian @ 24.731304
12 South_Polish @ 25.593922
13 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 25.842386
14 East_Finnish @ 27.478710
15 Finnish @ 31.098394
16 Croatian @ 31.365864
17 La_Brana-1 @ 31.625378
18 Moldavian @ 32.640472
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 33.597919
20 Tatar @ 34.182178

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Erzya +50% Lithuanian @ 15.251457

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Erzya +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 15.251457

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 15.066937
2 Erzya + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 15.251457
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 15.734270
4 Erzya + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 15.888590
5 Belorussian + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 15.952980
6 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.065342
7 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.129131
8 Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 16.146461
9 Erzya + Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 16.206400
10 Belorussian + Erzya + Erzya + Lithuanian @ 16.256525
11 Erzya + Erzya + Erzya + Lithuanian @ 16.262657
12 Erzya + Erzya + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian @ 16.268496
13 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 16.320770
14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.364094
15 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.420664
16 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 16.460274
17 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 16.497637
18 Erzya + Erzya + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.572855
19 Erzya + Erzya + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.638084
20 Chuvash + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 16.724571




Gyvakarai1, Corded Ware/Battle Axe, 2620–2470 calBCE
Kit Num: JK5903487

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.65
2 Eastern_Euro 22.07
3 Baltic 16.49
4 West_Asian 13.66
5 Atlantic 6.49
6 South_Asian 5.23
7 Amerindian 2.87

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Finnish @ 19.630045
2 East_Finnish @ 20.205437
3 North_Swedish @ 21.662619
4 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.907116
5 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 21.935841
6 Ukrainian @ 21.999718
7 Hungarian @ 22.733078
8 South_Polish @ 22.754345
9 Kargopol_Russian @ 22.967470
10 Estonian @ 22.993650
11 Moldavian @ 23.278170
12 East_German @ 23.774584
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 23.778593
14 Southwest_Russian @ 24.059050
15 Tatar @ 24.111752
16 Polish @ 24.138720
17 Erzya @ 24.256516
18 Swedish @ 24.658987
19 Croatian @ 25.103426
20 Norwegian @ 25.625477

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Tabassaran @ 17.044651

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% East_Finnish +25% North_Swedish +25% Tabassaran @ 12.772768

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Erzya + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.208358
2 Erzya + North_Swedish + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.488178
3 Erzya + Finnish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.509142
4 Erzya + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.563651
5 Erzya + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 12.615960
6 East_Finnish + Erzya + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.617052
7 Erzya + Estonian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.653338
8 Erzya + Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.659148
9 East_Finnish + Estonian + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.659333
10 Erzya + Finnish + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.684821
11 East_Finnish + Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.709307
12 Erzya + Finnish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 12.713247
13 Estonian + Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.744473
14 Kargopol_Russian + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.747439
15 East_Finnish + Estonian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.752735
16 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.772768
17 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.839010
18 East_Finnish + Estonian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.841720
19 Estonian + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 12.848374
20 Chuvash + Estonian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 12.851738




Donkalnis6, Narva, 4720–4530 calBCE
Kit Num: YB6562524

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.63
2 Baltic 30.28
3 Eastern_Euro 18.22
4 Atlantic 14.47
5 Oceanian 1.05

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Estonian @ 10.388614
2 Finnish @ 12.467600
3 Southwest_Finnish @ 14.653579
4 Polish @ 16.132517
5 East_Finnish @ 16.409546
6 Ukrainian @ 16.483772
7 North_Swedish @ 16.938753
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.938911
9 South_Polish @ 17.017981
10 Lithuanian @ 17.251448
11 Belorussian @ 17.621134
12 La_Brana-1 @ 17.988216
13 Estonian_Polish @ 18.862421
14 Southwest_Russian @ 18.934759
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 19.351974
16 Swedish @ 19.627672
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.856007
18 Kargopol_Russian @ 20.758499
19 East_German @ 21.239260
20 Hungarian @ 21.310743

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% North_Swedish @ 10.053235

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Estonian +25% Swedish @ 8.747920

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Swedish @ 8.747920
2 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + West_Norwegian @ 8.867920
3 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + North_Swedish @ 9.116613
4 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Norwegian @ 9.123108
5 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 9.171881
6 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 9.328998
7 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 9.574683
8 Estonian + Estonian + Finnish + Swedish @ 9.688801
9 Estonian + Finnish + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 9.738305
10 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish @ 9.772470
11 Estonian + Finnish + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 9.841530
12 Estonian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 9.864071
13 Estonian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 9.884203
14 Estonian + Estonian + Finnish + North_Swedish @ 9.929483
15 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 9.941416
16 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 9.997208
17 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + North_Dutch @ 10.026641
18 Belorussian + Estonian + Estonian + West_Norwegian @ 10.036898
19 Estonian + Estonian + Finnish + West_Norwegian @ 10.048148
20 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 10.053235




Spiginas1, Narva, 4440–4240 calBCE
Kit Num: KL8191906

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.74
2 North_Sea 29.60
3 Atlantic 19.56
4 Eastern_Euro 16.33

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Estonian @ 7.973372
2 Lithuanian @ 12.028021
3 Polish @ 12.280703
4 Belorussian @ 12.593458
5 Finnish @ 13.677919
6 South_Polish @ 13.963901
7 Estonian_Polish @ 14.191471
8 Southwest_Finnish @ 14.510146
9 Russian_Smolensk @ 14.561338
10 Ukrainian @ 14.617207
11 La_Brana-1 @ 14.823277
12 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.908257
13 Southwest_Russian @ 15.483765
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.466219
15 East_Finnish @ 16.978342
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 19.331558
17 North_Swedish @ 20.000557
18 East_German @ 20.301451
19 Hungarian @ 20.336012
20 Croatian @ 21.012987

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Estonian @ 7.973372

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% West_Norwegian @ 7.111797

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 6.993606
2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 7.111797
3 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 7.171591
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 7.290611
5 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 7.402867
6 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 7.425169
7 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 7.540647
8 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Dutch @ 7.604300
9 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish @ 7.683552
10 La_Brana-1 + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 7.791487
11 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Dutch @ 7.797000
12 Belorussian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 7.838465
13 Danish + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.840111
14 Estonian + Irish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 7.849022
15 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Scottish @ 7.863681
16 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 7.887760
17 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 7.892264
18 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 7.919403
19 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 7.938015
20 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Scottish @ 7.938716




Kretuonas4, Narva, 5500/5300-3100/2900 BC
Kit Num: KH8385537

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.00
2 Baltic 32.16
3 Eastern_Euro 22.12
4 Atlantic 12.71

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Estonian @ 8.664057
2 Finnish @ 13.735807
3 Lithuanian @ 14.236084
4 Polish @ 14.997239
5 Belorussian @ 15.288611
6 East_Finnish @ 15.361924
7 Ukrainian @ 15.396323
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.305838
9 South_Polish @ 16.345114
10 Estonian_Polish @ 16.353086
11 Southwest_Russian @ 16.390549
12 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.541580
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.398598
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 17.524078
15 Kargopol_Russian @ 17.841072
16 La_Brana-1 @ 19.353897
17 Erzya @ 19.710205
18 North_Swedish @ 20.518848
19 Hungarian @ 22.638332
20 East_German @ 23.269699

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Estonian @ 8.664057

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Estonian +25% Estonian @ 8.664057

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Estonian @ 8.664057
2 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Finnish @ 9.271954
3 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish @ 9.426442
4 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 9.556892
5 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + North_Swedish @ 9.590390
6 Estonian + Estonian + Finnish + Lithuanian @ 9.627946
7 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 9.697159
8 East_Finnish + Estonian + Estonian + Estonian @ 9.781553
9 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Swedish @ 9.806583
10 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Southwest_Finnish @ 9.897004
11 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian @ 9.937531
12 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Swedish @ 9.950743
13 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 9.972299
14 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 10.001667
15 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 10.016748
16 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 10.051784
17 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.084882
18 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Polish @ 10.086658
19 Belorussian + Estonian + Estonian + Estonian @ 10.096487
20 Estonian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish @ 10.183234

Pahli
03-27-2018, 04:25 PM
So the Narva culture was WHG shifted, correct?

Aren
03-27-2018, 04:35 PM
So the Narva culture was WHG shifted, correct?

They had some EHG/ANE but not as much as the SHG. So many different HG have been found in Northeastern Europe.

https://genetiker.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/all-33-14.png

Pahli
03-27-2018, 04:39 PM
They had some EHG/ANE but not as much as the SHG. So many different HG have been found in Northeastern Europe.

https://genetiker.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/all-33-14.png

Not a lot though it seems, because the Latvian_HGs were initially also WHG but later became EHG shifted

Harkonnen
03-27-2018, 04:53 PM
These gedmatch population estimates are almost always at least 35% nonsense. I don't know why folk take them seriously.

Proto-Shaman
02-16-2019, 11:17 PM
These gedmatch population estimates are almost always at least 35% nonsense. I don't know why folk take them seriously.

why 35%´?

Bellbeaking
02-16-2019, 11:40 PM
do the cool map thing