Which of these men passes best as a mainstream Italian? Rank best to worst.

[Sikeliot]

I've posted both before.


#1:

http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/2016/11/18/6dbe8932-079c-43be-8069-16b5f61486a3/023913159926c0b84bed42a9e6393ddc/161118-justinbartha.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/resizer/qe_L6VQRzKAOaXnCU5w0NKooxcM=/1200x0/www.trbimg.com/img-537a747a/turbine/la-fi-hotprop-justin-bartha-20140519

#2:

http://www.kicktv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/world-cup-hottest-players-iker-casillas-spain-800x350.jpg
https://as01.epimg.net/en/imagenes/2016/12/17/football/1481964829_624772_1481965702_noticia_normal.jpg


#3:

http://cdn.skim.gs/images/c_fill,dpr_1.0,f_auto,fl_lossy,h_391,q_auto,w_695/iksil5lxklgd8x47wynl/nsync-jc-chasez-where-is-he-now
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/dc/86/0adc861d5cf85960e8e119db26450119.jpg


#4:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/9d/91/3f9d9148aa4a4885a07aff4f33f9840e.jpg
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-08/15/16/campaign_images/buzzfeed-prod-web-08/50-shades-of-greek-with-kostas-martakis-2-4186-1502827532-6_dblbig.jpg


#5:

https://media-public.fcbarcelona.com/20157/0/document_thumbnail/20197/75/194/141/42844747/1.0-10/42844747.jpg?t=1489703031000
http://www.tsmplug.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Gerard-Pique.jpg

[Sikeliot]

IMO Iker Casillas is the least Italian looking one in the group by far.

I'd say in order:

#1 is very Italian looking, then #3, #4, #5 and then #2 last.

[QUICAS]

1. Looks british or american
2. Looks iberian or french
3. Looks italian, israeli, dolphin or american
4. Looks Argentine
5. Looks iberian, french or belgiam

[QUICAS]

IMO Iker Casillas is the least Italian looking one in the group by far.

I'd say in order:

#1 is very Italian looking, then #3, #4, #5 and then #2 last.

2# and 5# looks too atlantid/western for italians. 1# looks english with african influence.

[Sikeliot]

2# and 5# looks too atlantid/western for italians. 1# looks english with african influence.

#1 is Ashkenazi, so of the people on the list he is the only one who has any actual direct Italian ancestry (Ashkenazim are half Italian).

But #3 was adopted and no one knows his ancestry, so he may be Italian American for all we know.

[Tauromachos]

3>4>1>5>2

2 looks kinda off to me for Italian the most but i may be wrong..

5 looks somehow Greek"could be Cretan"
Alot of people look kinda Greek also other than 5 ,3 and 1 could be Greek fairly well too

[QUICAS]

#1 is Ashkenazi, so of the people on the list he is the only one who has any actual direct Italian ancestry (Ashkenazim are half Italian).

But #3 was adopted and no one knows his ancestry, so he may be Italian American for all we know.

Very interesting to know. So maybe the foreigner vibe I noticed in number 1 is the ashkenazin element.

[trebil]

None of them. Mainstream Italian doesn't exist.

[JohnSmith]

Number 2 for Italian American, however, Italians are a difficult group to determine a mainstream you can have Nordids all the way to Laventine looking Italians. The Majority look like the typical South Central Europeans similar to Swiss and Balkanites.

[Sikeliot]

None of them. Mainstream Italian doesn't exist.

Which one do you think "looks" most and least Italian though? Or which would pass best in your view?

[Sikeliot]

Number 2.

Seriously? To me he looks the least Italian of all of them. By far.

[JohnSmith]

Seriously? To me he looks the least Italian of all of them. By far.

No way!! his eyebrows and sunken in eyes are common among Italians.

[trebil]

Which one do you think "looks" most and least Italian though? Or which would pass best in your view?

None of them looks particularly Italian to me. But I have friend who resembles somewhat n. 2.

[Kouros]

4 > 5 > 2 > 1 > 3

[JohnSmith]

Seriously? To me he looks the least Italian of all of them. By far.

His hair and eye color is very typical also for Italian but again Italian have really no mainstream.

[Tauromachos]

4 > 5 > 2 > 1 > 3

:confused:

[JohnSmith]

Number 3 looks Italian also is that the French guy from N'Sync

[JohnSmith]

Most Italians I have seen do not have full lips. I have no lips at all.

[Sikeliot]

Number 3 looks Italian also is that the French guy from N'Sync

He is not biologically of French background, he was adopted.

[Sikeliot]

Most Italians I have seen do not have full lips. I have no lips at all.

That comes from your British side.

[JohnSmith]

He is not biologically of French background, he was adopted.

Is he Italian he actually looks typical Italian American,, he could be cast as a mafia guy in a movie.

[JohnSmith]

That comes from your British side.

Not entirely my Italian grandparents have bird lips also.

[MysteriousWays]

#2 would be very typical for Italian-American where I'm from actually. More the first photo than second though.

[MysteriousWays]

As far as for all of Italy, I agree with trebil. Impossible to answer this question. Can perhaps answer for a small region or a group, but not all of Italy.

[Sikeliot]

As far as for all of Italy, I agree with trebil. Impossible to answer this question. Can perhaps answer for a small region or a group, but not all of Italy.


Which fits best in the south?

[JohnSmith]

#2 would be very typical for Italian-American where I'm from actually. More the first photo than second though.

Yeah, that is what I thought. His second picture looks a bit washed out so it doesn't look the best. But you can even see from his second pic he probably shaves that unibrow that many Italians have. # 1 , 4 ,5 do not look that typical to me as far as Italian American.

[Sikeliot]

#2 would be very typical for Italian-American where I'm from actually. More the first photo than second though.

Where are the Italian Americans from where you are? He does not look Sicilian/Calabrese at all so he would stand out in my area among Italian Americans.

[MysteriousWays]

Where are the Italian Americans from where you are? He does not look Sicilian/Calabrese at all so he would stand out in my area among Italian Americans.

Well most are mixed to some degree, but I believe I'm from the same general area as JohnSmith is. You would probably say many Italian-AMericans (lighter ones) look French. Most typical is some mix of Puglia, Molise, Abruzzo, and interior Campania. We have some of Sicilian/Calabrian descent as well as a smaller minority of mostly Tuscan and Emilian as well, but those last two are mostly mixed with Anglos and/or German Americans I believe. AFAIK, they came to the U.S. earlier than most from further south in Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Well most are mixed to some degree, but I believe I'm from the same general area as JohnSmith is. You would probably say many Italian-AMericans (lighter ones) look French. Most typical is some mix of Puglia, Molise, Abruzzo, and interior Campania. We have some of Sicilian/Calabrian descent as well as a smaller minority of mostly Tuscan and Emilian as well, but those last two are mostly mixed with Anglos and/or German Americans I believe. AFAIK, they came to the U.S. earlier than most from further south in Italy.

So Abruzzo area basically.

I could see #2 as Irish-Italian, but not a full Sicilian nor Calabrese at all. I actually don't think any of the people in my post look Sicilian, except #1 and #4 could pass as atypical.

[MysteriousWays]

#4 is probably second most typical as Italian-American where I'm from.

[Tauromachos]

So Abruzzo area basically.

I could see #2 as Irish-Italian, but not a full Sicilian nor Calabrese at all. I actually don't think any of the people in my post look Sicilian, except #1 and #4 could pass as atypical.

1 fits in Greece like a glove by the way

[Sikeliot]

#4 is probably second most typical as Italian-American where I'm from.

What about this guy?
I didn't include him in the original post.

if I included him I think he'd be first.

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/gregg-sulkin-hs-4-1.jpeg?w=427
https://images-production.global.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/posts/image/61077/gregg-sulkin-invisible.jpg

[Sikeliot]

1 can pass as Greek without a glove by the way

JEsus christ if you're going to use an English language expression, use it right!

[MysteriousWays]

What about this guy?
I didn't include him in the original post.

if I included him I think he'd be first.

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/gregg-sulkin-hs-4-1.jpeg?w=427
https://images-production.global.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/posts/image/61077/gregg-sulkin-invisible.jpg

Assuming he was in the U.S., I'd probably guess him as Italian-American but I still don't think he is all that typical for where I'm from.

[JohnSmith]

Where are the Italian Americans from where you are? He does not look Sicilian/Calabrese at all so he would stand out in my area among Italian Americans.

You really think he would stand out! I just do not see that as happening.

[JohnSmith]

Assuming he was in the U.S., I'd probably guess him as Italian-American but I still don't think he is all that typical for where I'm from.

He certianly can pass but I think he actually looks more Spanish.

[Sikeliot]

You really think he would stand out! I just do not see that as happening.

I really do not think Iker Casillas looks even remotely Sicilian. At all.

[JohnSmith]

This is a typical Italian American. Lips are not really full.

https://celebritypictures.wiki/images/0205789/0205789_30.jpeg

[Tauromachos]

JEsus christ if you're going to use an English language expression, use it right!

If you use the name of Jesus than use it for a good and postive deed

[Zroota]

#2 (and he is the most attractive one as well)
#4
#1 (this one looks Ashkenazi)
#5
#3

[JohnSmith]

Even Italian Americans like Joe Pantoliano are not uncommon even if they are not the most typical.

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/joe-pants.png?w=652&quality=80&strip

[JohnSmith]

I think a lot of people under estimate how much Italians look Western vs Eastern European. I honestly think there are a lot more similarities generally among Italians and Western Europeans than with Eastern Europeans.

[MysteriousWays]

^Nothing particularly uncommon about him IMO. I have met plenty of Italian-Americans (of fully Italian descent) who look similar.

[Sikeliot]

I think a lot of people under estimate how much Italians look Western vs Eastern European. I honestly think there are a lot more similarities generally among Italians and Western Europeans than with Eastern Europeans.

This is because southern Italians have the least "Slavic" like DNA in all of Europe.

[Sikeliot]

^Nothing particularly uncommon about him IMO. I have met plenty of Italian-Americans (of fully Italian descent) who look similar.

The Italian Americans you see look different than here.

[JohnSmith]

Chris Tardio is typical Italian American,, again he looks more Western European skewed vs Eastern European.

https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMDMyY2FkMDgtMmUzNS00MzM3LWIwMjctZTA2OTYyZGZmZT IxL2ltYWdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDM5MTczNQ@@._V1_SY1000_ SX1500_AL_.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Chris Tardio is typical Italian American


Which region of Italy would this correspond to? He is passable as Sicilian but does not look as "southern" as a typical Sicilian nor Calabrese.

Based on surnames I think most Italian Americans are Campanian.

[JohnSmith]

This is because southern Italians have the least "Slavic" like DNA in all of Europe.

To be honest that is why I do not understand why many think Italians and Greeks look alike (in the far south they do but not near Rome). I think Italians generally look more French. For god sakes I have even seen Dutch and Anglos that look similar to Italians. They are probably the most diverse country in Europe.

[Sikeliot]

To be honest that is why I do not understand why many think Italians and Greeks look alike (in the far south they do but not near Rome). I think Italians generally look more French. For god sakes I have even seen Dutch and Anglos that look similar to Italians. They are probably the most diverse country in Europe.

Then what do Greeks look like? Balkan and Slavic?

I think central-southern Italians facing the Adriatic look more Greek, Sicilians and Calabrese look more Near Eastern influenced, and the rest of Italy is similar to southern France.

I don't think Iberians look Italian. I think Iberians have a distinct look that in general can be distinguished.

[MysteriousWays]

Some Greeks and Italians look similar to one another, some don't. Both can be northern shifted or southern shifted. In general, where I'm from, Italian-Americans tend to look more northern shifted than Greek-Americans do where I'm from on average (we don't have many of Greek origins though). But much depends on comparing specific region in Italy to a specific region in Greece. It's extremely hard to generalize.

[Sikeliot]

Some Greeks and Italians look similar to one another, some don't. Both can be northern shifted or southern shifted. In general, where I'm from, Italian-Americans tend to look more northern shifted than Greek-Americans do where I'm from on average (we don't have many of Greek origins though). But much depends on comparing specific region in Italy to a specific region in Greece. It's extremely hard to generalize.


Which region of Italy do you think the people look similar to Greek?

How do the Greek Americans compare to the people you know for a fact to be Sicilian?

[JohnSmith]

Then what do Greeks look like? Balkan and Slavic?

I think central-southern Italians facing the Adriatic look more Greek, Sicilians and Calabrese look more Near Eastern influenced, and the rest of Italy is similar to southern France.

I don't think Iberians look Italian. I think Iberians have a distinct look that in general can be distinguished.

It all depends,but if I had to pick one group with the closest similarities it would be the French and Western Europeans generally. I used to think it was the Central/SouthEast Europeans like the Austrians and South Slavs but they are more Eastern European Skewed than I thought while Italians seem to be more Western skewed.

[Sikeliot]

It all depends,but if I had to pick one group with the closest similarities it would be the French and Western Europeans generally. I used to think it was the Central Europeans like the Austrians but they are more Eastern European Skewed than I thought while Italians seem to be more Western skewed.

Then what do Greeks look?

[JohnSmith]

Then what do Greeks look?

They look to me closest to Slavs and Albanians. However, you will never here any of these groups agree with that. lol.

[Sikeliot]

They look to me closest to Slavs and Albanians. However, you will never here any of these groups agree with that. lol.

I think Aegean islanders look more Italian though. and some people in Apulia look "Eastern European" also.

[JohnSmith]

Which region of Italy would this correspond to? He is passable as Sicilian but does not look as "southern" as a typical Sicilian nor Calabrese.

Based on surnames I think most Italian Americans are Campanian.

I think he looks just Italian. Not sure about the region differences like that.

[JohnSmith]

I think Aegean islanders look more Italian though. and some people in Apulia look "Eastern European" also.

Yeah it all depends,, but there is some evidence in the R1b distribution. I am no expert on genetics but Italians in most regions correspond more so with the Western Europeans than Eastern. Interesting how the Dutch and Italians can share more similarities in some regard vs other Northern Europeans. However, a lot of people do not focus on the West to East skew they mostly focus on the North to South Skew.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b-borders.png

[Bobby Martnen]

#2

Who are these people?

[Bakha]

IMO 3rd

[Sp_loa]

They all just look Ashkenazi (or SJ which is similar) to me :confused:

[Iloko]

#3

[magicalM]

4,51,2,3

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[Odin]

3.

[Cristiano viejo]

Number 2 for Italian American, however, Italians are a difficult group to determine a mainstream you can have Nordids all the way to Laventine looking Italians. The Majority look like the typical South Central Europeans similar to Swiss and Balkanites.
2 is the Spanish Iker Casillas.
5 is Spanish too.

[Jocorpi]

The last one, cause he is spanich. Hi, can you answer my red head thread?

[Aren]

5 and 4 the best
1 the least and the other two don't look Italian but can pass

[Sikeliot]

5 and 4 the best
1 the least and the other two don't look Italian but can pass

What does #1 look to you?

[Carlito's Way]

Not entirely my Italian grandparents have bird lips also.

my italian relatives have full lips but they vary a lot, some have bird lips others full