Log in

View Full Version : Why is my MENA so similar to Egyptians?



Congolese Rice
04-02-2018, 12:39 PM
Because so far as i know my MENA/Arabic is around 10-22% MAX, it's definitely somewhere in the 15-20% mark though but that's beside the point. Even after a year of research i still don't know where my middle eastern origins are, i only have a few suspicious surnames in my families which are "Elam" and "Da Costa Gomez" < which could possibly either be Latin American or Sephardic jewish.

I'll let you see my findings for yourself
=========================================

Gedrosia K3:


Egyptian Non Copt:


Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 79.42
2 SSA 19.75


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 4.091216
2 BedouinA @ 6.234015
3 Jordanian @ 11.719205
4 Palestinian @ 12.226099
5 Syrian @ 13.375533
6 Yemenite_Jew @ 13.597380
7 Saudi @ 14.058925
8 Lebanese @ 15.370902
9 Iranian @ 20.264505
10 Makrani @ 20.481878
11 Kurd_C @ 20.756744
12 Iraqi_Jew @ 21.397829
13 Iranian_Jew @ 22.072006
14 Turkish @ 22.148859
15 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 22.191015
16 Kurd_N @ 22.503643
17 Assyrian @ 22.506966
18 Georgian_Jew @ 22.665575
19 Cypriot @ 23.073996
20 Sicilian @ 23.125597
============

Me:

Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136
================

Dodecad Africa9:


Egyptian Non Copt:



Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asia 44.70
2 Europe 25.48
3 NW_Africa 16.44
4 E_Africa 6.82
5 W_Africa 3.04
6 S_Africa 1.77
7 Biaka 1.55


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egypt @ 5.900919
2 Egyptans @ 8.317840
3 Libya @ 17.655241
4 Yemenese @ 18.713020
5 Jordanians @ 19.754730
6 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 22.309565
7 Druze @ 26.050005
8 Morocco_Jews @ 26.949406
9 Bedouin @ 27.422979
10 North_African_Dodecad @ 33.488708
11 Yemen_Jews @ 33.885841
12 Saudis @ 38.077118
13 Algeria @ 40.414524
14 Ethiopian_Jews @ 47.482704
15 Ethiopians @ 48.088036
16 Morocco_N @ 48.327503
17 East_African_Dodecad @ 48.371239
18 Tuscan @ 49.382549
19 Moroccans @ 51.082603
20 North_Italian @ 54.150337

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanians +50% Libya @ 4.203730


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptans +25% Jordanians +25% North_African_Dodecad @ 1.657262


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++
1 Egyptans + Egyptans + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad @ 1.657262
2 Egypt + Egyptans + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad @ 2.250904
3 Egyptans + Egyptans + Libya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.607289
4 Algeria + Druze + Egyptans + Egyptans @ 2.790123
5 Egyptans + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad + Yemenese @ 2.836667
6 Egypt + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad + Yemenese @ 2.857319
7 Egypt + Egyptans + Libya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.884506
8 Druze + Egyptans + Egyptans + North_African_Dodecad @ 2.938474
9 Egypt + Egypt + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad @ 3.011055
10 Egyptans + Egyptans + Libya + Morocco_Jews @ 3.011222
11 Algeria + Egyptans + Egyptans + Jordanians @ 3.058392
12 Druze + Egyptans + Morocco_N + Yemenese @ 3.252186
13 Algeria + Druze + Egyptans + Yemenese @ 3.325350
14 Egyptans + Jordanians + Morocco_N + Yemenese @ 3.345883
15 Egypt + Egypt + Libya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.386412
16 Algeria + Bedouin + Egyptans + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.388979
17 Druze + Egyptans + Libya + Libya @ 3.390400
18 Algeria + Egypt + Egyptans + Jordanians @ 3.398689
19 Egyptans + North_African_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yemenese @ 3.473000
20 Algeria + Egyptans + Jordanians + Jordanians @ 3.490878
===========================

Me:


Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brong + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.292991
2 French_Basque + Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.523308
3 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.658659
4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
5 French_Basque + Igbo + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.975921
6 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.985883
7 French_Basque + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.000863
8 Brong + French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 3.191340
9 French_Basque + Igbo + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.200177
10 Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.284655
11 French_Basque + Jordanians + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews @ 3.290316
12 Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.294896
13 French_Basque + Hausa + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.328845
14 Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.338498
15 Brong + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.393985
16 Brong + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.409166
17 Druze + French_Basque + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews @ 3.435745
18 Brong + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.442931
19 French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews + Yoruba @ 3.470489
20 Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + North_Italian + Yoruba @ 3.547149
============================



Since i also score alot of Palestinian/Jordanian and BedouinA could that mean that it's like in other words telling me that those components combined it equals to "Egyptian" ? As i heard Egyptians are genetically rather more Middle eastern/Levantine than Berber/North African.


I'll post 1 more test and then i'd like to ask any Egyptians or Semitic brothers to help me figure out my origins if possible? Because i tried to shake the idea of me having middle eastern but i cant because i know that it's definitely there, everybody said so.


============================


EthioHelix K10 + French:

EthioHelix K10 + French 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EthioHelix Africa + French

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 French 50.28
2 North-Africa 27.67
3 Omotic 17.89
4 Biaka-Pygmy 1.52
5 Eastern-Bantu 1.47
6 Hadza 1.00


Finished reading population data. 59 populations found.
10 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 egyptans @ 5.792282
2 egypt @ 8.177290
3 libya @ 14.051492
4 algeria @ 33.992580
5 morocco-n @ 35.792068
6 EtA @ 38.129486
7 EtT @ 39.639847
8 ethiopian-jews @ 40.500835
9 moroccans @ 42.934258
10 EtT-P @ 44.193001
11 EtA-P @ 46.932163
12 Afar @ 48.826405
13 EtO-P @ 49.504303
14 morocco-s @ 53.667049
15 EtO @ 53.929554
16 sahara-occ @ 56.036411
17 EtS-P @ 59.512077
18 french @ 59.685013
19 Somali @ 59.704067
20 Wolayta @ 61.655811

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% egyptans +50% libya @ 5.538151


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% egyptans +25% egyptans +25% libya @ 3.293767


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++
1 EtA-P + french + libya + morocco-n @ 2.511996
2 EtA-P + algeria + french + libya @ 2.612171
3 EtT-P + french + libya + moroccans @ 2.626519
4 EtA-P + french + libya + moroccans @ 2.687291
5 EtT-P + egypt + french + sahara-occ @ 2.717980
6 EtT-P + french + libya + morocco-n @ 2.748115
7 EtT-P + algeria + french + libya @ 2.780994
8 EtO-P + french + libya + morocco-n @ 2.797923
9 EtO-P + algeria + french + libya @ 2.871020
10 Afar + french + libya + morocco-n @ 2.911797
11 EtA-P + egypt + french + sahara-occ @ 2.954480
12 Afar + french + libya + moroccans @ 2.977787
13 Afar + algeria + french + libya @ 3.086949
14 EtT-P + egyptans + french + sahara-occ @ 3.190131
15 egyptans + egyptans + egyptans + libya @ 3.293767
16 Afar + egypt + french + sahara-occ @ 3.456357
17 EtO-P + french + libya + moroccans @ 3.497334
18 EtT + egypt + french + sahara-occ @ 3.529184
19 EtO-P + egypt + french + sahara-occ @ 3.533518
20 EtT + egyptans + french + sahara-occ @ 3.576118


^ as you can see this person has very weird results on this test, probably because majority of his/her MENA got sucked into the European component, as far as i've seen this person has around 20-25% european ancestry, not 50%. So i probably have the same case


===============

Me:



EthioHelix K10 + French 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EthioHelix Africa + French

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 French 58.53
2 West-Africa 20.48
3 North-Africa 14.17
4 Eastern-Bantu 2.94
5 Biaka-Pygmy 1.96


Finished reading population data. 59 populations found.
10 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 egypt @ 28.436947
2 egyptans @ 29.843468
3 libya @ 37.148422
4 french @ 48.514793
5 algeria @ 51.793137
6 morocco-n @ 53.296841
7 EtA @ 58.839912
8 EtT @ 59.205017
9 ethiopian-jews @ 59.574738
10 moroccans @ 59.989388
11 morocco-s @ 62.576019
12 EtT-P @ 63.774693
13 EtA-P @ 66.219421
14 EtO-P @ 67.785980
15 Afar @ 67.821465
16 fulani @ 67.871010
17 hema @ 69.191284
18 EtO @ 69.218773
19 fang @ 73.385963
20 sahara-occ @ 73.605812

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% french +50% fulani @ 10.784990


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% french +25% morocco-n +25% yoruba @ 2.858610


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 algeria + bambaran + french + french @ 1.866526
2 bambaran + french + french + morocco-n @ 1.937596
3 algeria + brong + french + french @ 2.001741
4 brong + french + french + morocco-n @ 2.077469
5 brong + french + french + moroccans @ 2.676510
6 algeria + french + french + yoruba @ 2.727184
7 algeria + french + french + yoruba @ 2.727184
8 french + french + morocco-n + yoruba @ 2.858610
9 french + french + morocco-n + yoruba @ 2.858610
10 bambaran + french + french + moroccans @ 2.894958
11 french + french + moroccans + yoruba @ 3.262558
12 french + french + moroccans + yoruba @ 3.262558
13 dogon + french + french + morocco-n @ 3.613788
14 algeria + french + french + mandenka @ 3.645414
15 french + french + mandenka + morocco-n @ 3.725548
16 algeria + dogon + french + french @ 3.743774
17 dogon + french + french + moroccans @ 4.410098
18 algeria + french + french + hausa @ 4.434712
19 french + french + mandenka + moroccans @ 4.485708
20 french + french + hausa + morocco-n @ 4.611527

==============


I would like to know how close i would be to Egyptians according to yall because since i score a good amount of Levantine and Middle Eastern on most tests.


Thanks for reading by the way, have a good day