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Norb

04-02-2018, 07:29 PM

LOL they practically didn't update his results except for the fact they told him he has distant affinity to Ireland.
It's weird, I tought they will upate results in every cathegory. Mine haven't updated yet....

:picard1:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=73919&d=1522697378

Petalpusher

04-02-2018, 07:41 PM

I don't think the update is fully out for some people, i have no dots anywhere. Yet a different order in the list which could be a clue of the highest matches to come

https://tof.cx/images/2018/04/02/9b62ac9441b3724d7faa749c1333ae1f.jpg

RN97

04-02-2018, 07:42 PM

wait, it doesn't show which country is your Scandinavian or French & German from ???! What kind of lousy update is that ?

You don't get any new understanding with this tool that you didn't have with DNA relatives. It's just a sort of IDB tool that can determine recent origin due to shared segments. My dad is from Lillehammer so I got off course Norway and 3 dots on Sweden as it is closely related. My mother is from southern Arges in Wallachia/ southern Romania so I got Romania and one dot on Bulgaria as it's somewhat related. If ancestry is recent it's quite simple to pinpoint as you'll likely have ethnic-specific segments, but I also have a German great grandpa and no dots came up with Germany because it probably isn't so easy to pinpoint that since there is less DNA to work with.

frankhammer

04-02-2018, 07:43 PM

We can be quite impatient :laugh:

Carpatz

04-02-2018, 08:08 PM

It's weird how much this varies. I got a specific breakdown for a 11% component
https://i.imgur.com/gtYrVeL.jpg

while others didn't get anything

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298449695968067584/429509757343236097/Screenshot_2.png

Hopefully they will update it properly for everyone.

Kelmendasi

04-02-2018, 08:09 PM

I don't think the update is fully out for some people, i have no dots anywhere. Yet a different order in the list which could be a clue of the highest matches to come

[IG]https://tof.cx/images/2018/04/02/9b62ac9441b3724d7faa749c1333ae1f.jpg[/IMG]
Smart thinking right there

Norb

04-02-2018, 08:16 PM

Smart thinking right there

I dont get it, mine are in alphabetical order?

Kelmendasi

04-02-2018, 08:20 PM

I dont get it, mine are in alphabetical order?
So it seems, you could email them about this

Ylla

04-02-2018, 08:39 PM

Almost all the balkan ethnicities have full dots on mine so nothing specific

http://i63.tinypic.com/2mepoxz.png

Armenian Bishop

04-02-2018, 08:40 PM

My best DNA Test experience was with 23&Me, the biggest disappointment was Family Tree DNA -- terrible.

Carpatz

04-02-2018, 08:53 PM

Almost all the balkan ethnicities have full dots on mine so nothing specific

http://i63.tinypic.com/2mepoxz.png

Lol that doesn't seem right. btw i have the same amount of italian but didnt get any dots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401193447983153152/430469591144202241/9wMdIHR02.jpg

RN97

04-02-2018, 08:55 PM

Almost all the balkan ethnicities have full dots on mine so nothing specific

http://i63.tinypic.com/2mepoxz.png

Yours is the weirdest I've seen yet, seems to have no rhyme or reason. How can you be closely related to so many populations?
Do you have DNA relatives from all those places?

Catkin

04-02-2018, 08:58 PM

The only change I have is that under British and Irish it says ‘United Kingdom’ and it estimates I have ancestry from the UK in the last 200 years. My mum is half Irish and she gets the same for Ireland instead of the UK.

Ylla

04-02-2018, 08:59 PM

Yours is the weirdest I've seen yet, seems to have no rhyme or reason. How can you be closely related to so many populations?
Do you have DNA relatives from all those places?

Possibly with Albanian communities of those countries, including the Arvanite/Arbereshe populations. IDK though, otherwise Turkey would come up too.

User50

04-02-2018, 09:51 PM

What country's flag is that on your avatar? I honestly don't recognize your nation's flag.

Anyway, <0.1% of something is called statistical noise. I doubt it's real, since you seem to be in a European country. If you were in the US I guess you never know.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

04-02-2018, 10:03 PM

https://s31.postimg.org/gmeg0wcnf/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-04-02_225837_you.23andme.com.png

It only shows Portugal for me. I still get:

Broadly Southern European
15.2%
Broadly Northwestern European
9.8%
Broadly European
5.0%

30% broadly, I am still planing to test my parents.

Schipperman

04-02-2018, 10:28 PM

Why don't they give me 100% French & German if they can't connect me with any population of the other regional groups ?

https://s17.postimg.org/nze7oh47j/Capture_d_cran_23.png

100% proof that their regional breakdown is bullshit

firemonkey

04-02-2018, 10:37 PM

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I have one line the Fletts that may have Scandinavian origins ie Norway- Orkneys- Findochty in Banffshire. Any Norwegian connection would be many centuries ago though. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sheena_charles/flettorg.htm

My heritage gives me a 5 person triangulated match of 12cMs with 4 people from Norway and one with an English surname but she has 50+ surnames from Norway.

Grace O'Malley

04-03-2018, 03:03 AM

My update is 5 dots for Ireland and 4 dots for the UK. Rest of the family is the same except daughter has 5 dots for Ireland and 5 dots for the UK.

Catkin

04-03-2018, 05:49 AM

I have mine now

Me
UK 4
Ireland 3

Mum
UK 5
Ireland 5

Dad
UK 4
Ireland 1

Mum’s brother
UK 5
Ireland 5

None of us have any other dots elsewhere.

StonyArabia

04-03-2018, 05:51 AM

My update is 5 dots for Ireland and 4 dots for the UK. Rest of the family is the same except daughter has 5 dots for Ireland and 5 dots for the UK.

Probably due to the Irish and British groups being very similar to each other.

Grace O'Malley

04-03-2018, 06:18 AM

Probably due to the Irish and British groups being very similar to each other.

Yes this is true. There was also a lot of immigration in both directions.

Levant15

04-03-2018, 08:09 PM

I got mine today.
It looks like they're splitting Palestinians between Lebanon and Jordan. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180403/8df85703153492ed253361aa259b91bb.jpg

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Sp_loa

04-03-2018, 08:14 PM

I still think Ancestry is the Best company. I prefer to get a guess than "Broadly...." I feel your range.

Kouros

04-04-2018, 03:43 PM

Mine is simple
https://i.imgur.com/hrRj36q.png

Leto

04-04-2018, 06:30 PM

My best DNA Test experience was with 23&Me, the biggest disappointment was Family Tree DNA -- terrible.
What are your FTDNA results if you don't mind me asking?

Norb

04-04-2018, 07:04 PM

why dont I have any matches for French and German and Scandinavian? Maybe because there is no one on 23andme who has the same German/Scando DNA as me? Just a theory!

Catkin

04-04-2018, 07:13 PM

why dont I have any matches for French and German and Scandinavian? Maybe because there is no one on 23andme who has the same German/Scando DNA as me? Just a theory!

I suspect maybe it’s because our German/French and Scandinavian is of older origin, not a more recent connection where we’d share long DNA strands with people from that ethnicity. We might just get ours from Anglo-Saxon and Viking influence etc.

Neon Knight

04-04-2018, 07:28 PM

Full match strength for both UK & Ireland and zero for everywhere else.

Nurzat

04-04-2018, 08:23 PM

it reads it well for me. dad is Carpathian Rusnak (Ukrainian), mom is Moldavian (Romanian), both have maximum dots. I would have expected at least one Germany dot, but 23andme is very conservative, it's going with the most recent ancestry

https://scontent.fsbz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/30007762_10209562503659306_154081820_n.png?_nc_cat =0&oh=2cd70a318d9c1e290bb769eaa43a2559&oe=5AC7DAFD

Drawing-slim

04-04-2018, 08:44 PM

http://i65.tinypic.com/359iuc5.jpg

Lek

04-04-2018, 08:48 PM

http://i65.tinypic.com/359iuc5.jpg

Only Montenegro? Seems bullshit.

Jana

04-04-2018, 08:52 PM

Mine are chaos :D
http://oi67.tinypic.com/ou2p06.jpg

Drawing-slim

04-05-2018, 03:14 AM

Only Montenegro? Seems bullshit.

It just shows montenegros first cuz my closest dna relatives are albanians from montenegro then albanians albo kosovars grece serbia etc so basically is based on top closest dna relatives in that order

Drawing-slim

04-05-2018, 03:28 AM

http://i65.tinypic.com/359iuc5.jpg

Basically i am one of the purest universal balkanite there’s,lol

http://i63.tinypic.com/104gpkw.jpg

Leto

04-05-2018, 04:13 AM

Lek

04-05-2018, 10:14 AM

Basically i am one of the purest universal balkanite there’s,lol

http://i63.tinypic.com/104gpkw.jpg

Nice

Ylla

04-05-2018, 11:54 AM

Basically i am one of the purest universal balkanite there’s,lol

http://i63.tinypic.com/104gpkw.jpg

Ours are so similar, and I saw we are related :thumb001:

Norb

04-05-2018, 05:22 PM

Thanks for contacting the 23andMe Team. I'm sorry to hear you're disappointed with the update we recently released to our Ancestry Composition report. Ancestry Composition now compares your ancestry to an additional 120+ regions from around the world to predict your “Recent Ancestor Locations” in order to provide more insight on where your ancestors may have lived within the last 200 years.

These Recent Ancestor Locations are calculated and assigned by comparing your DNA to reference individuals with known ancestries from more than 100 countries around the world. If you have five or more DNA segments in common with any of these individuals, you will see that location reflected in your Ancestry Composition report. If you do not have a predicted Recent Ancestor Location other than the United Kingdom, this means that at this time you don’t share at least five identical DNA segments with a reference individual from the other regions.

Keep in mind that Ancestry Composition is a living analysis, so your report may change over time. If new matches are detected or new locations are added, these will be reflected within your report.

Morena

04-05-2018, 05:45 PM

This update was mostly for MENA scores, since they were abysmal. They tested all the wrong areas.

Voskos

04-05-2018, 05:54 PM

Just Greece for me, no other dots.
https://i.imgur.com/Upa7TBM.png

Nilotik

04-06-2018, 01:20 AM

Basically i am one of the purest universal balkanite there’s,lol

http://i63.tinypic.com/104gpkw.jpg

Very similar to mine in terms of matches.
https://i.imgur.com/NdmyEcC.png

Oneeye

04-06-2018, 01:32 AM

This update is clearly more fun for the Americans.

Most of my ancestors came to America longer than 200 years ago, thos that came more recently pop up higher than the dots of my majority ethnicity.

Freeroostah

04-06-2018, 01:34 AM

Seems right for me. I also get AncestryDNA genetic communities from South-West FYROM and South Albania (wonder why...)

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Neowarior

04-06-2018, 01:36 AM

Hello.

Has anyone ever tried GEDmatch Genesis with 23andme raw data? I'm curious about the new match system. People says there is also a small amount of shift in ADMIXTURE results.

Gangrel

04-06-2018, 08:14 PM

https://i.imgur.com/o2pDIc2.png

Oneeye

04-06-2018, 08:20 PM

why dont I have any matches for French and German and Scandinavian? Maybe because there is no one on 23andme who has the same German/Scando DNA as me? Just a theory!

Do you have Ancestry from those regions?

Norb

04-06-2018, 08:34 PM

Do you have Ancestry from those regions?

not that I know of

Oneeye

04-06-2018, 08:40 PM

not that I know of

Recombination rate of autosomes limits matches to being within 500 years for 23andme. I get as many matches from Scandinavia due to my Norwegian ancestors coming to the US during the 19th century while my English came during the 18th and 17th, despite having much more from the UK.

Norb

04-06-2018, 08:43 PM

Recombination rate of autosomes limits matches to being within 500 years for 23andme. I get as many matches from Scandinavia due to my Norwegian ancestors coming to the US during the 19th century while my English came during the 18th and 17th, despite having much more from the UK.

what Catkin said is now what I believe - that the reason it is not showing up because the ancestry is very old and we dont have any matches for it on 23andme because no one has this 'old' DNA..BUT I have a total of 20% French and German/Scandinavian, odd? why is it showing as high as 20% despite being 200 years old (according to 23andme)?

Oneeye

04-06-2018, 08:52 PM

what Catkin said is now what I believe - that the reason it is not showing up because the ancestry is very old and we dont have any matches for it on 23andme because no one has this 'old' DNA..BUT I have a total of 20% French and German/Scandinavian, odd? why is it showing as high as 20% despite being 200 years old (according to 23andme)?

The old DNA is there, its just tossed up like a salad bowl.
According to 23andme, it is up to 500 years old.. the new dot feature is up to two hundred, the older percentage given feature is up to 500.

How much of each is it? Seems to be just plain common DNA spread across the area.. of which it probably is prefered to have it associated where it is more strongly at rather than increasing "the broadlys."? (Love that term, btw)

Norb

04-06-2018, 08:55 PM

The old DNA is there, its just tossed up like a salad bowl.
According to 23andme, it is up to 500 years old.. the new dot feature is up to two hundred, the older percentage given feature is up to 500.

How much of each is it? Seems to be just plain common DNA spread across the area.. of which it probably is prefered to have it associated where it is more strongly at rather than increasing "the broadlys."? (Love that term, btw)

Broadly!!, dont talk to me about that word!! I still have 25% 'Broadly' NW Euro..If they did match this do you think it would bump my French and German and Scandinavian up significantly? Or could it even bump my British up even higher?

Oneeye

04-06-2018, 09:03 PM

Broadly!!, dont talk to me about that word!! I still have 25% 'Broadly' NW Euro..If they did match this do you think it would bump my French and German and Scandinavian up significantly? Or could it even bump my British up even higher?

Well yeah, unless they were able and willing to break it down further by region. ( not holding my breath in anticipation of that) celtic fringe folk tend to score the highest British, while Anglos get more broadlies.

Norb

04-06-2018, 09:05 PM

Well yeah, unless they were able and willing to break it down further by region. ( not holding my breath in anticipation of that) celtic fringe folk tend to score the highest British, while Anglos get more broadlies.

have you seen this happening with lots of results then? Anglo's get more Broadly

Neon Knight

04-08-2018, 09:45 AM

Mine are chaos :D
http://oi67.tinypic.com/ou2p06.jpgWhy do you say that? You get full matches with Croatians and neighbours.

Jana

04-08-2018, 09:49 AM

Why do you say that? You get full matches with Croatians and neighbours.

Yes, and I have recent ancestry from all top 3. But I'm suprised I'm matching Romania, Macedonia or Bulgaria, no known ancestry from there.

Neon Knight

04-08-2018, 10:09 AM

Yes, and I have recent ancestry from all top 3. But I'm suprised I'm matching Romania, Macedonia or Bulgaria, no known ancestry from there.That's really just like a Briton getting a degree of similarity with French and Germans. These tests are not accurate enough to always be capable of discriminating between close populations. Just take notice of the strong results.

But if those matches go back far in time then you might well have ancestry from Bulgaria and Romania.

Grace O'Malley

04-08-2018, 10:24 AM

I suspect maybe it’s because our German/French and Scandinavian is of older origin, not a more recent connection where we’d share long DNA strands with people from that ethnicity. We might just get ours from Anglo-Saxon and Viking influence etc.

I've looked at this and have come to the conclusion that commercial dna companies do not work like that. They aren't looking at deep admixture. The reason why some people get a varied Ancestry Composition is because they don't match the population that they use for their components. The British & Irish is heavily skewed to the Irish so all Irish people get a huge amount of this. The French & German is matching Swiss and South Germans. There was a Swiss man who got 99.1% French & German on 23andMe. People like the Finnish will get nearly 100% of that component, Scandinavian is highest in South-East Norway and South-West Sweden. If you aren't a good match for any of these you will get a more mixed Ancestry Comp. This is why a lot of people won't get dots because they don't match people that actually live in those populations. People like the Dutch, Southeast English etc always get a more varied Ancestry Composition. Iberian is centred on the Basque and Southwestern French.

23andMe are looking at more recent ancestry e.g. the last 200 - 300 years. They aren't picking up ancient admixture. Some populations will have less of a distinct signal though due to their locations so they will always be difficult to pinpoint.

Norb

04-08-2018, 10:55 AM

I've looked at this and have come to the conclusion that commercial dna companies do not work like that. They aren't looking at deep admixture. The reason why some people get a varied Ancestry Composition is because they don't match the population that they use for their components. The British & Irish is heavily skewed to the Irish so all Irish people get a huge amount of this. The French & German is matching Swiss and South Germans. There was a Swiss man who got 99.1% French & German on 23andMe. People like the Finnish will get nearly 100% of that component, Scandinavian is highest in South-East Norway and South-West Sweden. If you aren't a good match for any of these you will get a more mixed Ancestry Comp. This is why a lot of people won't get dots because they don't match people that actually live in those populations. People like the Dutch, Southeast English etc always get a more varied Ancestry Composition. Iberian is centred on the Basque and Southwestern French.

23andMe are looking at more recent ancestry e.g. the last 200 - 300 years. They aren't picking up ancient admixture. Some populations will have less of a distinct signal though due to their locations so they will always be difficult to pinpoint.

so we have basically wasted our money with the testing?

Grace O'Malley

04-08-2018, 11:20 AM

so we have basically wasted our money with the testing?

Why do you say that? It is very good at telling people the regions they come from. There is no dna test that is going to be able to pinpoint exactly where you are from because every population has mixture. I've had virtually every dna test including LivingDNA, DNA Tribes, Ancestry, FTDNA, 23andMe, 24Genetics etc.

If you want a good breakdown on the admixture for the UK you can look at the People of the British Isles dna project. To see the proper breakdown of an ethnicity you have to remove those people of that ethnicity and test each individual against other populations. If you want to know how this works the People of the British Isles initially used Ireland but had to remove Ireland because it was masking what was in the UK. People like the Highlanders were coming out over 63% Irish. They removed the Irish because Ireland both contributed to the UK population and also had similar admixture especially with people like the Western Scots.

Anyway another advantage of getting your dna done is that you can use it for third party sites like Gedmatch, Wegene etc. You just have to understand how these tests work. If you wanted to get an accurate admixture result you most likely would have to be a part of a study like the People of the British Isles or the Irish DNA Atlas.