Greeks closer to Romanians than to any Balkanite.

[Voskos]

https://i.imgur.com/AvOncqH.jpg

[Lek]

This isn't a PCA map as far as I know?

Becsuse the study this map was taken from concluded totally different, Kosovars were closer to Greeks and other South Euros.

[Tauromachos]

This isn't a PCA map as far as I know?

Becsuse the study this map was taken from concluded totally different, Kosovars were closer to Greeks and other South Euros.

The thing is from what i see in the map Albanians are not there.

And Romanians aren't realy that close to Greeks in the map.

If Albanians would have been included they certainly would have been closer both to Greeks and the Tuscans.

Its true what you said
Romanians show more affinity to Eastern Europe than Greeks and Albanians do.

Albanians are closer to Greeks and Italians than the other Balkan countries.

[RN97]

This isn't a PCA map as far as I know?

Becsuse the study this map was taken from concluded totally different, Kosovars were closer to Greeks and other South Euros.

It's not a PCA, it's better. It's a Fst analysis of some sort. Unless it's haplogroup, it's a better estimate of genetic relatedness than PCA's. I'm sure Albanians would be closer if included.

[Wrong]

The thing is from what i see in the map Albanians are not there.

And Romanians aren't realy that close to Greeks in the map.

If Albanians would have been included they certainly would have been closer both to Greeks and the Tuscans.

Its true what you said
Romanians show more affinity to Eastern Europe than Greeks and Albanians do.

Albanians are closer to Greeks and Italians than the other Balkan countries.
Albanians are there(Kosovars), seemingly next to French.

[RN97]

Albanians are there(Kosovars), seemingly next to French.

They aren't next to French. It's the line that counts.

[Wrong]

They aren't next to French. It's the line that counts.
The names are next to one-another, that's what I am referring to.

I stand corrected.

[Lek]

Kosovars don't cluster with French or Spaniards. They Cluster east of Tuscans / North Italians.

This map is taken from a study I made a thread about here,

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239581-Genetic-Study-On-The-Western-Balkans



The study concluded Kosovars are closer to Greeks and other South Europeans. Gaugaz were also close to Kosovars than to other West Balkan Slavs.




The Kosovars deviate the most from other Western Balkan populations – note, that among those they have also the biggest similarity to Greeks





the Kosovars show the closest affinities among Western Balkan populations to Greeks and other South European populations. In our ibd analysis, we also did not find evidences for specific gene flow from the Middle East to Kosovars, compared to non-Muslim populations of Western Balkan (Figure 7).





What is even the point of creating such a misleading thread ?

[Voskos]

Kosovars don't cluster with French or Spaniards. They Cluster east of Tuscans / North Italians.

This map is taken from a study I made a thread about here,

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239581-Genetic-Study-On-The-Western-Balkans



The study concluded Kosovars are closer to Greeks and other South Europeans. Gaugaz were also close to Kosovars than to other West Balkan Slavs.







What is even the point of creating such a misleading thread ?

My thread is not about Kosovars , but rather about similarity of modern Greeks to other nations.

[Lek]

My thread is not about Kosovars , but rather about similarity of modern Greeks to other nations.

Greeks ain't that similar to Romanians unless its Thracian shared ancestry or something which they would share with Kosovars or some Slavic. The map isn't saying that Greeks are most similar with Romanians.

Maybe Greek Macedonia.

Again misleading thread.

[ovidiu]

Yeah the title of this thread is not accurate. There are others that are closer that weren't in the study.


Greeks ain't that similar to Romanians unless its Thracian shared ancestry or something which they would share with Kosovars or some Slavic. The map isn't saying that Greeks are most similar with Romanians.

Agreed.

That being said, some of the links between the two countries may be pretty ancient, from Neolithic times, and others from later. For example, if you actually look into the history of Romania, there has been a presence of or interaction with Greeks in some form since 2700 years ago when they started establishing colonies on the Black Sea coast in what is now Dobrogea. Like the city of Tomis (Constanta) and several others. Sources show that the local Greeks there adapted to the nearby Getic people's lifestyles and learned their language, even writing poetry in it. Later during the Roman era, some of the people sent in as colonists were from the southern Balkan region. During the Middle Ages, there was interaction with some monks and missionaries as the early Vlachs moved into the Orthodox sphere in the Byzantine era, and the churches became tied together. And importantly, during the Ottoman period, the Phanariotes, people of Greek origin from a district in Constantinople, were sent to govern the Romanian/Wallachian principalities, and several noble families moved in and established themselves in southern Romania. At this point there was some "bad blood" as the Greeks came to be resented for the role they played. However, relations have improved. One of the noble families in Romania, the Cantacuzinos, was an offshoot of the Byzantine emperors actually. And yes apparently there was some minor Slavic input in the northern Greece, as I've learned from this forum, so that's another link I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Romania

There's still a minority community to this day.

[Kelmendasi]

Greeks are closest to Albanians when it comes to the Balkans

[Voskos]

Yeah the title of this thread is not accurate. There are others that are closer that weren't in the study.

Every single population from the Balkans was included, except Tosk Albanians.

[kleenex]

I would have to say Albanians are closest from what I've observed.