Julian Slovene + half Istro-Dalmatian half Italian GEDmatch results

[Vid Flumina]

First individual is a Julian Slovene with distant Italian ancestry and surname, her ancestry is however overwhelmingly (+90%) Slovene and local, from the historical communities of Tolmino and Trieste.


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.55
2 Atlantic 17.95
3 West_Med 15.99
4 Baltic 13.86
5 Eastern_Euro 12.91
6 East_Med 9.49
7 West_Asian 7.08
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 Red_Sea 0.69
10 Oceanian 0.53
11 South_Asian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.42
2 Romanian 8.44
3 Hungarian 8.93
4 Austrian 9.09
5 Moldavian 9.5
6 Croatian 10.2
7 East_German 10.6
8 Bulgarian 10.76
9 French 12.71
10 South_Dutch 13.51
11 North_Italian 13.73
12 West_German 14.09
13 Spanish_Galicia 14.19
14 Portuguese 14.9
15 Spanish_Cataluna 15.08
16 Greek_Thessaly 15.94
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 16
18 South_Polish 16.13
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.23
20 Spanish_Extremadura 16.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% Moldavian + 38% Portuguese @ 3.39
2 62.5% Moldavian + 37.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.56
3 64.4% Moldavian + 35.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.64
4 61% Moldavian + 39% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.65
5 65.3% Moldavian + 34.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.68
6 54.8% North_Italian + 45.2% Ukrainian @ 3.91
7 67.2% Moldavian + 32.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.99
8 60.4% Moldavian + 39.6% North_Italian @ 4
9 68.2% Moldavian + 31.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.06
10 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.06
11 67% Moldavian + 33% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.08
12 81.9% Hungarian + 18.1% Sardinian @ 4.09
13 79.4% Serbian + 20.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.12
14 83.6% Serbian + 16.4% Southwest_French @ 4.15
15 67.5% Moldavian + 32.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.18
16 64.8% Moldavian + 35.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.22
17 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.25
18 63.4% East_German + 36.6% Greek @ 4.25
19 81.1% Serbian + 18.9% Portuguese @ 4.27
20 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.28


The second sample comes from a half Piedmontese from Novi Ligure (Alessandria) and half Istro-Dalmatian Italian from Lussingrande/Veli Lošinj (Lussino, Croatia). On his Istro-Dalmatian side many of the surnames are Slavicized (a la Joe/Lidia Bastianich)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.88
2 West_Med 17.73
3 East_Med 14.2
4 Baltic 13.11
5 Atlantic 12.29
6 West_Asian 9.19
7 Eastern_Euro 8.4
8 Red_Sea 2.1
9 Oceanian 0.53
10 Amerindian 0.28
11 Northeast_African 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.48
2 Serbian 8.67
3 Bulgarian 9.92
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.55
5 Moldavian 12.84
6 North_Italian 13.13
7 Hungarian 13.18
8 Tuscan 13.54
9 Greek 14.34
10 Croatian 15.18
11 Austrian 15.24
12 Spanish_Galicia 15.51
13 French 15.77
14 East_German 16.35
15 Portuguese 16.41
16 West_German 16.5
17 Italian_Abruzzo 16.58
18 Central_Greek 17.39
19 Ashkenazi 17.56
20 Spanish_Cataluna 17.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.8% Greek_Thessaly + 28.2% Norwegian @ 4.68
2 71.7% Greek_Thessaly + 28.3% Swedish @ 4.75
3 71.7% Greek_Thessaly + 28.3% North_Swedish @ 4.8
4 73.4% Greek_Thessaly + 26.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.82
5 62.5% Greek_Thessaly + 37.5% East_German @ 4.87
6 62.8% Greek_Thessaly + 37.2% West_German @ 4.89
7 57% Greek_Thessaly + 43% Hungarian @ 5.38
8 72.1% Greek_Thessaly + 27.9% North_Dutch @ 5.44
9 71.1% Greek_Thessaly + 28.9% Southwest_English @ 5.66
10 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Danish @ 5.68
11 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.76
12 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% Orcadian @ 5.8
13 66% Greek_Thessaly + 34% South_Dutch @ 5.84
14 73.2% Greek_Thessaly + 26.8% Finnish @ 5.88
15 70.8% Greek_Thessaly + 29.2% North_German @ 5.91
16 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Southeast_English @ 6
17 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% West_Scottish @ 6.02
18 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% Irish @ 6.1
19 63.1% Greek_Thessaly + 36.9% French @ 6.32
20 58.9% Serbian + 41.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.39


In the PCA I also included:

- a Slovene from Novo Mesto
- a Dalmatian Croat from Makarska
- the venerable Bosniensis
- two Genoese (who should be a decent proxy for Novi Ligure)
- a Friulian from Udine

https://i.imgur.com/eOlq4DG.png

[Jana]

Thanks for posting, very interesting.

Btw it's obvious half Istro-Dalmatian has some local admix. And you should be careful about surnames, because in past there were much more Italianised Slavic family names, than the opposite.

[Bosniensis]

No he is Italian, it's just that Italians are not Italians (just like Saxons are fake Britons)

You are all mostly conquerors... Normans, Lombards, Saxons, Franks... ALL NON EUROPEANS.

[Jana]

No he is Italian, it's just that Italians are not Italians (just like Saxons are fake Britons)

You are all mostly conquerors... Normans, Lombards, Saxons, Franks... ALL NON EUROPEANS.

Can you leave your trolling out of the thread ?

[Leto]

No he is Italian, it's just that Italians are not Italians (just like Saxons are fake Britons)

You are all mostly conquerors... Normans, Lombards, Saxons, Franks... ALL NON EUROPEANS.
The only non-Europeans are Bosnian Muslims!

[Bosniensis]

The only non-Europeans are Bosnian Muslims!

xD


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[Vid Flumina]

Thanks for posting, very interesting.

Btw it's obvious half Istro-Dalmatian has some local admix. And you should be careful about surnames, because in past there were much more Italianised Slavic family names, than the opposite.

Ne brini prijateljico, govorim malo hrvatski. I can usually tell a slavic root from an italic one. And yes, he's stacking that local admixture to the point of resembling a half South Slav.

[Jana]

Ne brini prijateljico, govorim malo hrvatski. I can usually tell a slavic root from an italic one. And yes, he's stacking that local admixture to the point of resembling a half South Slav.

:thumb001:

Do you think Julian Slovene is typical for the specific region ?

[Vid Flumina]

:thumb001:

Do you think Julian Slovene is typical for the specific region ?

Yes, at least for the historical population. One only has to look at Slovene Italians to realize they are not exactly the same as people like Gregor Fučka or Tina Pisnik. Here's few of them so you can get an idea:

Matej Černič
Dušan Jelinčič
Jože Pirjevec
Tamara Blažina
Sergio Tavčar

[Percivalle]

Thanks for posting, very interesting.

Btw it's obvious half Istro-Dalmatian has some local admix. And you should be careful about surnames, because in past there were much more Italianised Slavic family names, than the opposite.

This is half central Italian half Italian-Dalmatian from Zara. Likely the Italian-Dalmatian has also some Croatian.

Vid Flumina, provi a vedere dove finisce in una PCA?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.58
2 East_Med 20.69
3 Baltic 15.19
4 West_Med 13.23
5 Atlantic 13.06
6 Eastern_Euro 7.26
7 West_Asian 5.64
8 Red_Sea 2.15


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 11.294906
2 Serbian @ 11.789631
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.994947
4 Bulgarian @ 12.183767
5 Greek @ 15.983922
6 Tuscan @ 16.365877
7 Hungarian @ 16.728144
8 Moldavian @ 17.304424
9 North_Italian @ 17.500526
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.671356
11 Ashkenazi @ 18.725735
12 Austrian @ 18.755167
13 Croatian @ 19.238857
14 Central_Greek @ 19.455988
15 West_Sicilian @ 19.717051
16 East_Sicilian @ 20.009418
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.453047
18 French @ 21.572767
19 West_German @ 21.615030
20 East_German @ 21.811541

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Hungarian @ 7.785534

[Vid Flumina]

This is half central Italian half Italian-Dalmatian from Zara.

Vid Flumina, provi a vedere dove finisce in una PCA?

https://i.imgur.com/JMVSayl.png

[Dick]

The venerable Bosniensis lol. long live the Tesla of Bosnia!