Italy or Sweden?

[jerney]

Which would you choose for a honeymoon?

I personally would be really interested and excited to go to either country, Italy for obvious reasons and Sweden because it would be winter and I think it would be really nice to be in such a wintery/northern climate (I also wouldn't mind being away from wogs for awhile :p). Also, where would you suggest going in either of these countries?

Some other options were Iceland, Prague, Vienna, or Budapest. ( Iceland sounds like a lovely, one of a kind place, but it's also very far away)

[Sahson]

Which would you choose for a honeymoon?

I personally would be really interested and excited to go to either country, Italy for obvious reasons and Sweden because it would be winter and I think it would be really nice to be in such a wintery/northern climate (I also wouldn't mind being away from wogs for awhile :p). Also, where would you suggest going in either of these countries?

Some other options were Iceland, Prague, Vienna, or Budapest. ( Iceland sounds like a lovely, one of a kind place, but it's also very far away)

Prague is a lovely cultural place, Budapest is okay, but I wouldn't have a honeymoon in budapest to be honest. Sweden is nice if that's what you want to go for.

out of all the options, I'd say Prague.

[Curtis24]

Sweden! The culture appeals to me more - I'm more introverted in real life, more into relaxing and idyllic rather than fast-paced etc. Also, apparently you're not allowed to criticize the police in Italy, which is kind of scary.

[jerney]

Sweden! The culture appeals to me more - I'm more introverted in real life, more into relaxing and idyllic rather than fast-paced etc. Also, apparently you're not allowed to criticize the police in Italy, which is kind of scary.

Well, I don't plan on having any run-ins with them :p. I feel like I'm leaning somewhere north, basically for the same reasons you stated, but Italy is a place I'd really love to go just for the sights and history alone, so it's kind of hard to choose :shrug:

[Joe McCarthy]

Well, it's very hard for me to disconnect politics and history from these sorts of things, so I'd say Rome or Venice.

[Sahson]

http://www.voyages-photos.fr/images/prague/prague02.jpg
http://sites.univ-lyon2.fr/lettres/nte3/05-06/prague/prague.jpg
http://www.photos4travel.com/prague/prague-castle.jpg
http://guillaumebuffet.typepad.com/blogue/images/2007/09/05/pont_charles_prague.jpg

[Foxy]

Venice, typical honeymoon. I'd exlude Eastern Europe. That's ok as far as you are single...

[jerney]

Venice, typical honeymoon. I'd exlude Eastern Europe. That's ok as far as you are single...

Where else would you suggest in Italy?

[Sahson]

Where else would you suggest in Italy?

Modena, and Parma!

[Foxy]

Where else would you suggest in Italy?

It depends on which kind of vacation you want to do. In Italy there is all. As you had for option also Sweden you probably like also cold places and mountains maybe, I'd suggest you a tour of Veneto. Verona-Venice-Cortina D'Ampezzo. In Verona you can see the arena and the house of Juliet, then you can stay some days in Venice and then you can go to ski in Cortina.

Cortina D'Ampezzo

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[jerney]

It depends on which kind of vacation you want to do. In Italy there is all. As you had for option also Sweden you probably like also cold places and mountains maybe, I'd suggest you a tour of Veneto. Verona-Venice-Cortina D'Ampezzo. In Verona you can see the arena and the house of Juliet, then you can stay some days in Venice and then you can go to ski in Cortina.

Cortina D'Ampezzo

T17Xkme_ZpY

Thanks, I was actually thinking about Verona because my great grandmother's paternal family was from there

[Breedingvariety]

Italian cities are most beautiful cities.

[Wyn]

Italian cities are most beautiful cities.

Agreed.

I'd go with Italy - Rome or Venice.

[Blossom]

Greece, for the awesome beach and the great landscapes this beautiful country got.

Norway or Finland, for aurora borealis a.k.a. northern lights.

Both of them could make your honeymoon romantic. Beach is romantic (I'm talking about a desert beach), as aurora borealis would be awesome, to watch with your lover hand by hand.:)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3681679873_dc956a153e.jpg

http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/13/aurora-borealis-sky-lights_7294.jpg

Such beautiful phenomen...lovely places, both of them, to me.

[Turkophagos]

How about Maniot's bedroom for the whole honeymoon?

[Wyn]

How about Maniot's bedroom for the whole honeymoon?

I've heard it's not so good. Lousy entertainment.

[Matritensis]

Yeah,I heard there are views there very similar to the ones in Pisa....:tongue

[jerney]

How about Maniot's bedroom for the whole honeymoon?

:rolleyes:. Now that's a given, but it's going to be in a different country, so get out of my thread.

[jerney]

I've heard it's not so good. Lousy entertainment.

Actually you couldn't be more wrong, but I won't elaborate ;):cool:

[Matritensis]

Stockholm is actually a very nice city,and the Swedes very pleasant and civil.

[Comte Arnau]

It all depends very much on what you intend to do. Bu if you hesitate so much between Sweden and Italy, choose Prague. Specially if you've never been to it before. You'll mix the cold peaceful beauty of the north with the warm lively beauty of the south.

http://www.kurtvinion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/prague_wedding_photographer_500.jpg

[Matritensis]

Or Vienna!

[Comte Arnau]

Or Vienna!

Indeed. Actually a Prague-Vienna-Budapest route is not a bad idea at all.

[Sahson]

spend more time in Prague, then Budapest though, if you do that.

Btw, Parma:-

http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/80/Parma_01.jpg
http://knowfood.cn/images/Parma%20ham/prosciutto-di-parma.gif
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/parma-duomo-pictures/view-offic-site.jpg
http://www.sybarites.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/acqua-di-parma.jpg
http://www.tuscanyrealestate.co.uk/Italy-blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/parmesan21.jpg

[Äike]

Greece, for the awesome beach and the great landscapes this beautiful country got.

Norway or Finland, for aurora borealis a.k.a. northern lights.

Both of them could make your honeymoon romantic. Beach is romantic (I'm talking about a desert beach), as aurora borealis would be awesome, to watch with your lover hand by hand.:)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3681679873_dc956a153e.jpg

http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/13/aurora-borealis-sky-lights_7294.jpg

Such beautiful phenomen...lovely places, both of them, to me.

Well, there's nothing special about aurora borealis, I saw the northern lights quite recently, on this Monday, 3 days ago.

If I wanted to have a romantic honeymoon in Northern-Europe, then I would have it in the medieval Northern-European old town of Tallinn, which is unique in entire Europe and practically the only example of a fully intact medieval Northern-European town.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Tallinn-old-town.jpg

But as it is Italy or Sweden, then I would advise Italy. As I have been to Sweden on numerous occasions and I couldn't say that there was something "special"(like Tallinn's unique Northern-European old town) about it, at least in Stockholm and Uppsala. While Italy has a lot of special little towns and the climate is also quite good.

[steppe]

Definitely Italy. :D

[Moonbird]

I'd say Italy. Beautiful cities and better climate.

[Foxy]

Indeed. Actually a Prague-Vienna-Budapest route is not a bad idea at all.

I have nothing against these cities but Wien is boring like hell (I have been there and I don't suggest to go unless you like classical music) and Prague is ok to divorce after a week.

[Allenson]

Maybe New Jersey? ;)

[Curtis24]

Hey, I'm from New Jersey :/ :P

[Smaland]

Maybe New Jersey? ;)

:D

[Smaland]

Of course Italy is beautiful, but I must vote for the old country: Sweden. :)

[Anna]

I would go for the Prague, Vienna, Budapest route. Highly recommend! I did that trip, with Poland and Slovakia as well, and it was amazing. Figure out what kind of trip you want though. Those places interest me very much, so it was perfect. Also, if you know someone in the place you're going it really helps because then you don't get stuck doing only touristy stuff.

[Aramis]

Honeymoon in winter? Some village on the Alps, from Switzerland to Slovenia. Preferably a germanic one if you want to get away from brutish wog cultures.

Big cities are horrible during hot summers and cold winters. At least to me.

http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00001VAkpv_ZIp8/s/750/750/Sunset-Alps-winter-view-Rigi-Switzerland.jpg

http://artsfairies.com/weather_Chamonix_Mont_Blanc_Alps/Alps_Winter.jpg

[The Journeyman]

Italy has better food, very rich culture and a variety of destinations, better climate, but nothing works and the service is shit. Some areas tend to be very expensive as well. I've never been to Sweden, but I imagine their work ethic to be like the rest of the Germanic countries, so you will be better taken care of there, the weather in summer I hear is very nice with the long days, but in the winter you might end up like that couple in The Shining. The food is ok (I've eaten at IKEA).

I would choose Italy.

[Osweo]

I imagine somehow that Italy would be easier. Who wants to piss about catching trains, figuring out strange cities' transport systems and oddly written languages when you can just dawdle around some nice Italian cafes and restaurants all day? It's a Honeymoon for Christ's sake, not a cultural tour or adventure holiday! :p

[Dario Argento]

I'd suggest Sweden as it's more exotic to me. I see many Italians daily, they're like everyday's bread. Not that I'm not interested in Italy

[Aemma]

Either one sounds lovely...but you need to think about practicalities too. Do you want to lug around boots and long johns and a heavy coat? My part of the world is cold enough; I'd rather see Sweden in the Spring and Summer and get that picture of things!

But Italy! Now there lies my bias: it's a place I long to see one day. Too bad San Galgano isn't around he could point out some places in Tuscany as well. :shrug:

But Vienna and Prague...they sound lovely too!

What do you want to do, other than the obvious, during your honeymoon is the question?

Have you considered places along the Adriatic? Split (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split,_Croatia) is a wonderful city to visit from what I understand. And it was a Greek colony way back when. I dunno, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Either way, you'll have a fabulous trip! Enjoy the planning! :)

[SwordoftheVistula]

I voted for Sweden, but have to change my mind to Italy between the two. Rome is great, Florence is decent too. Vienna would be my pick of the above mentioned cities, there's so much awesome stuff to see and do.

[Adalwolf]

Definitely Sweden. It would be most comfortable and enjoyable, being surrounded by my own kinfolk.

[Foxy]

I imagine somehow that Italy would be easier. Who wants to piss about catching trains, figuring out strange cities' transport systems and oddly written languages when you can just dawdle around some nice Italian cafes and restaurants all day? It's a Honeymoon for Christ's sake, not a cultural tour or adventure holiday! :p

In Veneto, the region that I suggested her to visit, transports work well, for Christ's sake, inform yourself better! Tourism is a modus vivendi there.

I was seeing a site about tourism in Veneto (it's in Italian so it is useless that I send it to you, I think). Anyway they suggest this tour through the 7 provinces:

-Belluno: mysterious and silent city near the Dolomites, rich in Mediveal and Renaissance streets and squares and of monuments and buildings (fountains, palaces) in Venetian style.

http://www.coscienzeinmovimento.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dolomiti_belluno_autunno.jpg

-Padova: home of one of the oldest universities in the world, rich of culture and base of the Basil of Saint Antonio, famous Portuguese monk.

http://web.unipg.it/circolosanmartino/documenti/Padova.jpg

-Rovigo: medieval city with a beautiful castle, with a wonderful historical city centre.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Piazza_vittorio_emanuele_rovigo.jpg

-Treviso: medieval city rich of porches and canals that cross the city, wonderful to explore by walking.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9XIdII8ii9s/TN_qGK-WIdI/AAAAAAAAFrI/2u8T2JXSxk0/s1600/Treviso.jpg

-Venice:considered by UNESCO one of the most beautiful cities in the world, with an inestimable artistic heritage.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p2Uu4QoZaZg/THUq111SprI/AAAAAAAAAqs/2iINIQoNVKo/s1600/Rialto+Bridge+(Venice,+Italy).jpg

-Verona: most famous city of Veneto after Venice, rich of culture, history and monuments, famous also for "Juliet&Romeo", settled in this city.

http://www.fotografieitalia.it/foto/414/Verona_414-03-07-03-3245.jpg

-Vicenza: city of Renaissance and full of historical villas and palaces (Palladio's villas).

http://files.splinder.com/b519c1eb4c43fcca4175ddb5becfa8f1.jpg
http://blog.openlastminute.com/wp-content/uploads/Ville-Venete-da-Stra-a-Malcontenta-la-Riviera-del-Brenta-andrea-palladio-tiepolo-mira-3-550x365.jpg

[Loki]

Italy.

[Radola]

I have nothing against these cities but Wien is boring like hell (I have been there and I don't suggest to go unless you like classical music) and Prague is ok to divorce after a week.

What? :eek::eek:
I´d go either for Northern Italy or Sweden, but I don´t mention the "Prague-Budapest-Vienna" route as I know it quite well, otherwise I´d maybe choose it.

[Blossom]

Well, there's nothing special about aurora borealis, I saw the northern lights quite recently, on this Monday, 3 days ago.

If I wanted to have a romantic honeymoon in Northern-Europe, then I would have it in the medieval Northern-European old town of Tallinn, which is unique in entire Europe and practically the only example of a fully intact medieval Northern-European town.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Tallinn-old-town.jpg

But as it is Italy or Sweden, then I would advise Italy. As I have been to Sweden on numerous occasions and I couldn't say that there was something "special"(like Tallinn's unique Northern-European old town) about it, at least in Stockholm and Uppsala. While Italy has a lot of special little towns and the climate is also quite good.

Well, its ''not special'' because you guys see them every year..:rolleyes2:
In any case, I always thought that a little cottage on somewhere in north could be romantic. Oh Stockholm, visited it too many times...when I say 'romantic' I mean something just between you and your lover, so I exclude something urbane, heavy cities, etc...
Italy, its nice place but every single couple wanna go there, so I'm not going to visit Italy and see thousand couples hand by hand haha, that's not romantic to me. (I've been there and saw it with myyyyyyyyyyyyy lil eyes! :D )

That's why I choosed 'isolated' places...as somewhere in Northy North of Finland or Norway,...or a desert beach on Greece.

Anyways, I bet Tallin is nice place for visiting, but I wouldnt choose it for honeymoon, but YES for visiting there and relaxing:).

[Foxy]

An other accomodation if you are rich and not stingy is to go to a resort in Tuscany. Tuscany, among the other things, is famous for its thermal culture, SPA and beauty farms, often annexed to hotels that are historical villas.
Believe me, in Italy you can do everything, but it is expensive. That's all. But things work and people are polite.

Just to make you an exemple, this is "Hotel Salviatino", historical villa transformed in hotel and beauty farm in Tuscany, but Tuscany is full of them.

Outside
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/709x532/img_334.jpg
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/709x532/img_336.jpg
Inside
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/709x532/img_186.jpg
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/709x532/img_190.jpg
Sight from the villa
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/709x532/img_171.jpg
The pools
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/455x341/img_346.jpg
The SPA
http://www.salviatino.com/gallery/455x341/img_316.jpg

Prices per night from 230,00 euros

[Foxy]

This is an other hotel in Tuscany "Grotta Giusti Natural SPA and Golf Resort". The mother of my bf went there and she said that it is fantastic, a dream-experience.

http://www.grottagiustispa.com/

An other one, Hotel Le Fontanelle and Spa (Tuscany), a bit more country...

Outside

http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/gallery/1.jpg
http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/gallery/2.jpg
http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/gallery/12.jpg

Inside

http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/gallery/6.jpg
http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/camere/spa5.jpg
http://www.hotelfontanelle.com/immagini/gallery/4.jpg

Prices from 354,00 euro per night (2 persons).

[Comte Arnau]

Nice hotels. But you didn't post the most important room for a honeymoon. :D

[Foxy]

An other common destination for a summer honeymoon in Italy is the Amalphitan Cost (Neaples-Amalfi-Positano-Sorrento) or the isles (Capri, Ischia,...). In Tuscany is very beautiful the Isle of Giglio (Isola del Giglio).

Hotel Gran Convento di Amalfi

Outside

http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17160-t2-z2w.jpg

Room

http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17162-t2-z2w.jpg
http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17161-t2-z2w.jpg

Pool

http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17164-t2-z2w.jpg
http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17176-t2-z2w.jpg

Terrace

http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17182-t2-z2w.jpghttp://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17178-t2-z2w.jpg

Misc

http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/hotel-gallery/17187-t2-z2w.jpg

Rooms from 260,00 euros per night

Neaples
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eX3I582ASts/TMUz_sj9rRI/AAAAAAAALGU/x3wgJmobzeI/s1600/napoli+b100824b-big.jpg

Amalfi (ancient Sea Republic)
http://www.alberghi-costiera-amalfitana.it/amalfi/images/amalfi.jpg

[Loki]

Wow, lovely pictures Veleda. :)

As much as I love Sweden and the Swedish people, there is just no comparison for a romantic holiday. Italy wins hands-down.

Sweden is great, though, if one wants to get away from all the crowds. Lots of space there, as one can see geographically (sparsely populated) - which is especially nice for Londoners like myself. And, if you do encounter humans there, they are likely good-looking people. ;)

[Osweo]

In Veneto, the region that I suggested her to visit, transports work well, for Christ's sake, inform yourself better! Tourism is a modus vivendi there.

JESUS, RQ! You totally missed my point! :D

The part of my post you're responding to was intended to be understood as applying to Sweden, Czechia or somewhere like that in the north!

I then contrasted this with the easier tourist situation, or better honeymooners' situation in Italy! My sister's been loads of times to Rome and Campania. To my mind, the comfortable lounging around you can do there seems better for this sort of trip. I get stressed travelling and planning and being on time for trains and buses, in the sort of holiday where you feel bound to see too many cultural sites scattered around a country... :D :thumb001:

[Franz]

Italy or France

[poiuytrewq0987]

Why not try something different and go to one of the Balkan countries? Westies often go to one of the stereotypical vacation places way too often and miss out exotic parts of Europe I.e. the Balkans. I would really recommend you to go to either Slovenia or Croatia over boring and common Italy. The beaches there are great, fresh food and wonderful sights to see all over Yugoslavia.

[jerney]

Why not try something different and go to one of the Balkan countries? Westies often go to one of the stereotypical vacation places way too often and miss out exotic parts of Europe I.e. the Balkans. I would really recommend you to go to either Slovenia or Croatia over boring and common Italy. The beaches there are great, fresh food and wonderful sights to see all over Yugoslavia.

Because I'll be living in the Balkans.. want to get away from them for awhile

[poiuytrewq0987]

Because I'll be living in the Balkans.. want to get away from them for awhile

Pssh, Greece is not really a Balkan country. Only the ex Yu countries are Balkan TBH. Others are just pretenders. :D

[jerney]

Just had some more time to look through all the posts, and while I really want to get away from wogs, Veleda is making it really hard with all these beautiful pictures and now I'm even more indecisive than before I started this thread :D:confused:

Also, I'm not opposed to any to new suggestions, these I posted were just at the top of my list, but maybe a perfect place for me that I'm not even aware of yet.

[Turkophagos]

Just had some more time to look through all the posts, and while I really want to get away from wogs, Veleda is making it really hard with all these beautiful pictures and now I'm even more indecisive than before I started this thread :D:confused:

Also, I'm not opposed to any to new suggestions, these I posted were just at the top of my list, but maybe a perfect place for me that I'm not even aware of yet.

Make sure that there's an orthodox church around for my daily prayer, so include that when you choose the place.

[Osweo]

Make sure that there's an orthodox church around for my daily prayer, so include that when you choose the place.

AHTAPKTIKA!
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/img/29397/wm/pd2533004.jpg

Or Turkish-occupied Western Armenia;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/The_Cathedral_of_Ani.jpg/800px-The_Cathedral_of_Ani.jpg








Be careful, Maniot, or you'll end up here;
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T3lg6p_ATmc/SwUx0rZftXI/AAAAAAAAFUc/TrDrL1dLQx0/s1600/athos.jpg
... where you can do all the praying you want. :wink

[Tom Cat]

I selected other in the poll. My wife and I agreed that we'd like to take our second honeymoon in Switzerland. :)

[Pallantides]

Lol honeymoon in Sweden ... I'd go to Southern Europe.

[Foxy]

Just had some more time to look through all the posts, and while I really want to get away from wogs, Veleda is making it really hard with all these beautiful pictures and now I'm even more indecisive than before I started this thread :D:confused:

Also, I'm not opposed to any to new suggestions, these I posted were just at the top of my list, but maybe a perfect place for me that I'm not even aware of yet.

Anyway could you stop to call us "wogs"? :mad:

[Turkophagos]

Anyway could you stop to call us "wogs"? :mad:

Wog here now. And proud.

[Foxy]

Wog here now. And proud.

Wog

Wog in the UK is usually regarded as a racially offensive slang word referring to a dark-skinned person from Africa or Asia. It can be applied to any darker-skinned people, but is particularly applied to Afro-Caribbeans, as well as immigrants from the Indian subcontinent. Most dictionaries refer to the word as derogatory and offensive.

I am neither darked skinned and surely am not from Africa or Asia ;)

[jerney]

Wog

Wog in the UK is usually regarded as a racially offensive slang word referring to a dark-skinned person from Africa or Asia. It can be applied to any darker-skinned people, but is particularly applied to Afro-Caribbeans, as well as immigrants from the Indian subcontinent. Most dictionaries refer to the word as derogatory and offensive.

I am neither darked skinned and surely am not from Africa or Asia ;)

It's a term that's commonly used on anthro/race boards and its most basic meaning was taken from Australian English afaik. It can be offensive, but it usually isn't, at least not when I say it. All it means is somebody from Southern Europe and/or dark hair/eyes.


Australian English:

1. a non-Anglo-Celtic European, esp. from Southern or Eastern Europe (e.g. Greek, Italian, Balkan, Slavic, etc.)

USAGE: Until 1973 Australia had a white-only immigration policy, so the term used mainly as a racial slur in Britain was applied to ethnic European immigrants of the post-WWII "populate or perish" era. By now it has greatly lost its sting, and many ethnic Australians have reclaimed it as a jocular term, with some cleverly riffing on it (e.g. 'clog wog' for a Dutchman, 'frog wog' for a Frenchman).

wog

Races where the majority phenotype is brown to black hair, brown eyes, and light skin (in a world's perspective, not just European)...known for keeping strong to ethnic traditions, their native language
Greeks, Italians, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Turks, Lebanese, Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians, Albanians, FYROMs (Macedonians)

[poiuytrewq0987]

Make sure that there's an orthodox church around for my daily prayer, so include that when you choose the place.

How about honeymooning in Crimea then? Nice beaches and churches everywhere and maybe check out Greek ruins of her past glory in Crimea. :D

[Foxy]

wog

Races where the majority phenotype is brown to black hair, brown eyes, and light skin (in a world's perspective, not just European)...known for keeping strong to ethnic traditions, their native language
Greeks, Italians, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Turks, Lebanese, Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians, Albanians, FYROMs (Macedonians)

Ok, then I am a proud wog. Italians anyway don't protect their language (French and Spaniards are conservative, Italians take English words without translating them). The funniest thing is when immigrants from America come back and start to speak a creol language that only they understand, usually a mix of dialect and English. I have heard a word sounding "lu wormelon". He meant "the water mellon". :D Or the famous "skius me" (excuse me).

[Rouxinol]

I would opt obviously for Italy. No think twice. It's culture-rich and has an excellent worldwide renowned gastronomy. Rome and Florence (where I've been) come to mind.

Anyway, I would go to Tahiti or Bora-Bora (French Polynesia). That will be my honeymoon trip!

[Tony]

Sweden is great, though, if one wants to get away from all the crowds. Lots of space there, as one can see geographically (sparsely populated) - which is especially nice for Londoners like myself. And, if you do encounter humans there, they are likely good-looking people. ;)
If you wanna take a honeymoon off the crowds , not typical , you could also pick up Sardinia , her water are the cleanest , she's the least inhabitated region of Italy and her strange languages , lack of modern transportation , Nuraghe (megalithic civilization) etc give you a great sense of mistery and if you happens to come here in winter there's also a small sky resort in Gennargentu (the tallest peak).

http://www.viaggiscoop.it/foto/839/2102/16190.jpg

http://www.passionebarche.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Un-passaggio-della-grotta-del-bue-marino-in-Sardegna.jpg

http://www.sardonic.it/images/NuragheArrubiuHome.jpg

http://www.sardiniatouristguide.it/img/tb/escursione-al-nuraghe-su-nuraxi-di-barumini-e-alla-giara-di-gesturi.jpg

http://www.adhikara.com/orgosolo/orgosolo_10.jpg

http://iltafano.typepad.com/photos/la_mia_sardegna/tinnura_murales_02.jpg

[jerney]

I'm definitely leaning more towards Italy now, but I wanted to ask the Italians on here where are the cities that would have decent/relatively warm weather during the winter? Part of the reason I've decided to avoid Sweden is because I don't want to be freezing cold all the time. I was hoping there would be spots where the average temperature is at least around 19-20 celsius during the winter

[Tony]

I'm definitely leaning more towards Italy now, but I wanted to ask the Italians on here where are the cities that would have decent/relatively warm weather during the winter? Part of the reason I've decided to avoid Sweden is because I don't want to be freezing cold all the time. I was hoping there would be spots where the average temperature is at least around 19-20 celsius during the winter
I hope you mean daily highs and not daily average because in that case there's no place so hot in winter.
Ok we're country of the sun but...
the warmest place in winter would be Palermo I suppose , it has a daily average temp. of 12°C (54F) so in some sunny days it can get 20°C around noon.
If you seek for a warm place you should choose a coastal area in the centre-south , remember that Tyrrenian sea is warmer than the Adriatic one and if you leave the seaplace it can get really chilly since also the South is mainly hilly and mountaneous, but I don't think at all there are places with an average of 19-20C (that is the same average of Miami , right?) , no way.

[Peyrol]

I'm definitely leaning more towards Italy now, but I wanted to ask the Italians on here where are the cities that would have decent/relatively warm weather during the winter? Part of the reason I've decided to avoid Sweden is because I don't want to be freezing cold all the time. I was hoping there would be spots where the average temperature is at least around 19-20 celsius during the winter

Avoid Piemonte (my region, in winter you could find also -12 -15° C), Lombardia, Veneto and the North in general... choose the center-south, like Toscana, Lazio, or the south (don't go to Napoli...please, don't go! Is like a North African city in the last times!)...the best climate in winter, however, is the sicilian climate.

Anyway, the north/centre is a very beautiful place...most "europeized" than southern regions, but a veru good place (Venezia, Verona, Milano,Torino, Trieste, etc...).

[Nurzat]

sweden in summer, although southern italy has some breathtaking landscapes and seascapes (tyrrhenian riviera of calabria, the eolie islands north from sicily, sila mountains in central calabria)

[jerney]

I hope you mean daily highs and not daily average because in that case there's no place so hot in winter.
Ok we're country of the sun but...
the warmest place in winter would be Palermo I suppose , it has a daily average temp. of 12°C (54F) so in some sunny days it can get 20°C around noon.


I mostly meant average highs, although admittedly I was being a bit optimistic with them


Avoid Piemonte (my region, in winter you could find also -12 -15° C), Lombardia, Veneto and the North in general... choose the center-south, like Toscana, Lazio, or the south (don't go to Napoli...please, don't go! Is like a North African city in the last times!)...the best climate in winter, however, is the sicilian climate.

Anyway, the north/centre is a very beautiful place...most "europeized" than southern regions, but a veru good place (Venezia, Verona, Milano,Torino, Trieste, etc...).

What do you mean by most "europeized"?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Jerney, you made this thread for alibi that you and Maniot are really not Germanohellenic fifth columnists in Magna Graecia meeting with Magna Graecian nationalists who want to unite ith Greece...

[Foxy]

Jerney, as I read your message that you are interest in Italy, I post also this 5 stars hotel (I have found its advertisement just today and I thought of you soon). It's an hotel settled in a Medieval castle.
Watch this link, there's a video about the hotel.

http://www.castelloorsini.it/

Pictures:

http://www.icastelli.net/photo/1/150.jpg

http://www.icastelli.net/photo/3/150.jpg

http://www.icastelli.net/photo/4/150.jpg

BRIEF HISTORY:

The hotel today lies on an ancient castle built in the X century on the ruins of a Sabinic fortress.
During the time, this caste has been an impregnable fortress: nor the Saracenes nor the Ungars were able to conquest it. At the end of the XIII century it was gives as feud to Francesco Orsini.

The hotel today still conservs its romantic and historical atmosphere besides it guests a beauty farm, a panoramic swimming pool and a wonderful garden lying near a wood.

WHERE IS NEROLA?

The hotel stays in Nerola, a town of central Italy in Lazio (province of Rome).

http://luirig.altervista.org/geography/it/img2.php?recnum=resz_6538684.jpg

Its strategical position permits you to achieve Rome in 30 minutes, to visit the Appennines, to achieve Florence, Pisa and Neaples in few hours and to visit also Umbria and Abruzzo.

About the climate, I know the area as I live not far. The Appennine can be very cold in winter but in Rome only rarely it snows (almost never). You can move to the coast for a warmer climate.

[Peyrol]

What do you mean by most "europeized"?

I didn't want to say it so bad ... but, the southern regions are very underdeveloped compared to north/centre.