Norwegian GEDmatch result

[Bobby Martnen]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.93
2 Atlantic 29.5
3 Baltic 12.35
4 Eastern_Euro 10.23
5 West_Med 6.17
6 West_Asian 3.09
7 Siberian 2.81
8 South_Asian 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 4.06
2 Irish 4.28
3 West_Scottish 4.39
4 North_Dutch 4.69
5 North_German 4.84
6 Southeast_English 5.18
7 Orcadian 6.25
8 Southwest_English 6.44
9 Norwegian 7.29
10 Swedish 8.17
11 West_Norwegian 8.35
12 South_Dutch 8.63
13 North_Swedish 9.56
14 West_German 10.5
15 East_German 12.6
16 Southwest_Finnish 13.19
17 French 13.65
18 Austrian 16.48
19 Finnish 16.63
20 Hungarian 17.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Irish + 7.6% Mari @ 2.25
2 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Selkup @ 2.41
3 91.7% Irish + 8.3% Chuvash @ 2.45
4 85.8% Irish + 14.2% East_Finnish @ 2.51
5 89.2% West_Scottish + 10.8% Tatar @ 2.51
6 95.3% Irish + 4.7% Ket @ 2.52
7 85.6% West_Scottish + 14.4% East_Finnish @ 2.57
8 89.7% Irish + 10.3% Tatar @ 2.62
9 92.7% West_Scottish + 7.3% Mari @ 2.62
10 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Selkup @ 2.67
11 78.8% West_Scottish + 21.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.68
12 83.2% Irish + 16.8% Finnish @ 2.7
13 82.7% West_Scottish + 17.3% Finnish @ 2.72
14 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Shors @ 2.72
15 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Ket @ 2.72
16 79.7% Irish + 20.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.73
17 91.9% West_Scottish + 8.1% Chuvash @ 2.74
18 94.9% Irish + 5.1% Hakas @ 2.8
19 88.8% West_Scottish + 11.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.81
20 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Dolgan @ 2.83

[Sikeliot]

Very close to the Irish, which makes sense from the Irish DNA Atlas.. the Irish are roughly 20% Scandinavian, and also all NW Europeans are similar genetically regardless of which linguistic group they belong to.

[Sikeliot]

Try running them through MDLP K16. I want to see which Irish region they get first. Should likely be either Leinster or Connacht.

[MercifulServant]

Post there mdlp world and dodecad k12b

[Bobby Martnen]

Very close to the Irish, which makes sense from the Irish DNA Atlas.. the Irish are roughly 20% Scandinavian, and also all NW Europeans are similar genetically regardless of which linguistic group they belong to.

The Irish have some Scandinavian admixture, but Scandinavians are not NW Europeans. They're NE Europeans with some Germanic admixture who have been linguistically Germanicized.

[Bobby Martnen]

Try running them through MDLP K16. I want to see which Irish region they get first. Should likely be either Leinster or Connacht.

Here - there's a clear eastern shift away from true NW Euros

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 29.17
2 Neolithic 25.8
3 Steppe 22.94
4 Caucasian 19.76
5 Siberian 2.09
6 Subsaharian 0.13
7 Indian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dutch (Netherlands) 2.75
2 Swede (Sweden) 3.43
3 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 3.63
4 Pole (EastPoland) 3.74
5 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 3.97
6 German (Germany) 3.99
7 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 4.41
8 Pole (WestPoland) 4.42
9 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 4.48
10 Irish (Munster) 4.57
11 Sorb (Lusatia) 4.61
12 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.68
13 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.87
14 Scottish (Fife) 5.08
15 German (NorthGermany) 5.11
16 Scottish (Highlands) 5.23
17 Norwegian (Norwegia) 5.24
18 Irish (Connacht) 5.27
19 Scottish (Borders) 5.39
20 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Dutch (Netherlands) + 17.7% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 1.96
2 85.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 14.5% Finn (EastFinland) @ 2.02
3 59.5% Irish (Connacht) + 40.5% Pole (Poland) @ 2.05
4 87.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.2% Russian (Pinega) @ 2.09
5 54.9% Pole (Wroclaw) + 45.1% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.1
6 59.3% Irish (Connacht) + 40.7% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.15
7 51.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 48.8% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.16
8 86.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13.5% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.17
9 88.1% Dutch (Netherlands) + 11.9% Vepsa (Russia) @ 2.17
10 64.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 35.1% Pole (Poland) @ 2.19
11 89.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 10.5% Russian (Russia) @ 2.2
12 86.9% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.21
13 87.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.5% Karelian (Karelia) @ 2.21
14 94% Dutch (Netherlands) + 6% Saami_WGA (Lapland) @ 2.22
15 52% English (Kent) + 48% Pole (Poland) @ 2.22
16 51.7% Ukrainian (Ukraine) + 48.3% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.25
17 82.4% Dutch (Netherlands) + 17.6% Russian (CentralRussia) @ 2.25
18 81.7% Dutch (Netherlands) + 18.3% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.26
19 87.2% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.8% Latvian (Latvia) @ 2.27
20 87% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.27

[Bobby Martnen]

mdlp world

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 43.05
2 North_and_East_European 42.61
3 Caucaus_Parsia 8.23
4 Middle_East 2.28
5 North_Asian 1.82
6 Arctic_Amerind 1.22
7 Mesoamerican 0.8

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German 1.96
2 Czech 3.09
3 German-North 3.26
4 Slovenian 3.28
5 Slovakian 4.05
6 CEU_V 4.06
7 Hungarian 4.16
8 German_V 4.32
9 Norwegian_V 4.36
10 Austrian 5.08
11 Swedish 5.21
12 Croatian 5.83
13 Croatian_V 5.86
14 Welsh 6.29
15 CEU 6.37
16 Swedish_V 7.41
17 Orcadian 7.41
18 British 7.52
19 Bosnian 7.6
20 Ukrainian-West 7.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% German + 10.2% French @ 1.07
2 86.2% German + 13.8% German-South @ 1.08
3 71.8% German + 28.2% German_V @ 1.08
4 75.3% German + 24.7% Austrian @ 1.1
5 82.1% German + 17.9% British @ 1.11
6 94.6% German + 5.4% Kosovar @ 1.13
7 82.2% German + 17.8% Orcadian @ 1.15
8 79.9% German + 20.1% CEU @ 1.17
9 92% German + 8% Provancal @ 1.23
10 97.1% German + 2.9% Bra1 @ 1.24
11 95% German + 5% Basque @ 1.25
12 91.2% German + 8.8% Swiss @ 1.26
13 72.1% German + 27.9% CEU_V @ 1.27
14 93.9% German + 6.1% Spaniard @ 1.28
15 92.9% German + 7.1% Italian_North @ 1.3
16 73.6% German_V + 26.4% Mordovian_V @ 1.31
17 96.9% German + 3.1% Sardinian @ 1.31
18 81% German + 19% Welsh @ 1.33
19 95% German + 5% Corsican @ 1.34
20 94.3% German + 5.7% Iberian @ 1.34

[Token]

The Irish have some Scandinavian admixture, but Scandinavians are not NW Europeans. They're NE Europeans with some Germanic admixture who have been linguistically Germanicized.

LOL

[Jana]

The Irish have some Scandinavian admixture, but Scandinavians are not NW Europeans. They're NE Europeans with some Germanic admixture who have been linguistically Germanicized.

Finns, Balts and east Slavs are northeast Europeans not Scandinavians, who are closer to Brits and Dutch than to them, by a long shot.

[Peterski]

He is closer to Irish because he is probably a West Norwegian.

West Norwegians have Irish-British admixture, as proven by frequency of R1b-L21 in Western Norway.

Here is a thread about immigration into Norway between the 800s and 1700s:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8150-Source-of-L21-in-Norway

Norway was hit the hardest by the Black Death of all Scandinavian countries.

Cases of R1b-L21 in ancient DNA (so far not a single ancient sample outside of Britain and Ireland):

Bronze Age:

I2457, Amesbury, England, 2480–2031 BC
I2565, Amesbury, England, 2470-2140 BC
I2447, Yarnton, England, 2400–2040 BC
I2453, West Deeping, England, 2289–2041 BC
I2568, Dryburn Bridge, Scotland, 2287–2039 BC
I2452, Willington, England, 2277–1920 BC
I3256, Cambridge, England, 2204–2029 BC
I2445, Yarnton, England, 2137–1930 BC
Rathlin1, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 2026–1885 BC
Rathlin2, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 2024–1741 BC
Rathlin3, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 1736–1534 BC
I3082, Sixpenny Handley, England, 1500–1390 BC
I2653, Longniddry, Scotland, 1500–1300 BC

Iron Age:

HI1, Hinxton, England, 170 BC - 80 AD
HI2, Hinxton, England, 160 BC - 26 AD
6DRIF-18, York, England, 100-400 AD
6DRIF-21, York, England, 100-400 AD

And modern distribution for comparison:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.gif

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.gif

As you can see Iceland and Western Norway have elevated frequency of R1b-L21.

There was a study about Iceland and they found 1/4 of Y-DNA to be British-Irish:

https://media.nature.com/full/nature-assets/hdy/journal/v95/n2/images/6800661f1.jpg

http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v95/n2/images/6800661f1.jpg

Iceland is a genetic mix of Norway + Ireland/Scotland, both in terms of haplogroups and in terms of autosomal DNA. Question is - did Celtic settlement predate Viking colonization? Or were Celts settled there by Vikings (e.g. as slaves)?

There are Celtic-derived toponyms in Iceland - do they predate Viking colonization or date back to the same period? When Pytheas of Massalia visited Scotland around 330 BC, its inhabitants (Picts or other Celts) informed him about a land in the north, that he later called Thule. That was most probably Iceland, implying that Celts had discovered Iceland long before Vikings (if Thule was Iceland).

In 56 BC Roman fleet of Julius Caesar fought a naval battle against Celtic fleet near the southern coast of what later became Bretagne (in 56 BC that part of Bretagne was inhabited by a tribe known as the Weneted). In his "Gallic Wars", Caesar left a unique description of Celtic ships:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/jcsr/dbg3.htm

"(...) For their ships were built and equipped after this manner. The keels were somewhat flatter than those of our ships, whereby they could more easily encounter the shallows and the ebbing of the tide: the prows were raised very high, and, in like manner the sterns were adapted to the force of the waves and storms [which they were formed to sustain]. The ships were built wholly of oak, and designed to endure any force and violence whatever; the benches which were made of planks a foot in breadth, were fastened by iron spikes of the thickness of a man's thumb; the anchors were secured fast by iron chains instead of cables, and for sails they used skins and thin dressed leather. These [were used] either through their want of canvas and their ignorance of its application, or for this reason, which is more probable, that they thought that such storms of the ocean, and such violent gales of wind could not be resisted by sails, nor ships of such great burden be conveniently enough managed by them. The encounter of our fleet with these ships' was of such a nature that our fleet excelled in speed alone, and the plying of the oars; other things, considering the nature of the place [and] the violence of the storms, were more suitable and better adapted on their side; for neither could our ships injure theirs with their beaks (so great was their strength), nor on account of their height was a weapon easily cast up to them; and for the same reason they were less readily locked in by rocks. To this was added, that whenever a storm began to rage and they ran before the wind, they both could weather the storm more easily and heave to securely in the shallows, and when left by the tide feared nothing from rocks and shelves: the risk of all which things was much to be dreaded by our ships. (...)"

This description shows that Ancient Celts were good seafarers and that their ships were well-adapted to conditions in northern seas. The naval battle in 56 BC took place in the Quiberon Bay, between 100 Roman galleys and 220 Celtic ships:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiberon_Bay

Rome won that one thanks to using a clever fighting technique and exploiting weak points of the enemy:

"(...) The bay has seen several important naval battles. The first recorded in history was the Battle of Morbihan in 56 BCE, between the Romans led by Decimus Junius Brutus Albinus and the local Veneti [Weneted] tribe. The Romans had struggled to overcome the Veneti, who had coastal fortresses that could easily be evacuated by their powerful navy. Eventually the Romans built galleys and met the Veneti sailing fleet in Quiberon Bay. Despite being outnumbered 220 to 100 by a fleet of heavier ships, the Romans used hooks on long poles to shred the halyards holding up the leather sails of the Veneti, leaving the Veneti fleet dead in the water (...)"

Plutarch (ca. 40 - 120 AD) wrote also about another island located far to the west of Britain, bearing a name similar to the name of titan Kronos from Greek mythology. The Sea of Kronos is how later waters between Iceland and Greenland were referred too. So that could be Greenland (Greenland is of course a name invented much later, probably by Eric the Red, to attract settlers).

Sagas (including the Saga of Eric the Red) mention the land of "Hvitramannaland" ("White Man's Land", Latin: "Albania") also known as "Írland it Mikla" ("Great Ireland", Latin: "Hibernia Maior") - located supposedly about six-day sail west from Ireland, and also not far away from Vínland (Vineland). Unless it was fictional, it could refer to some Celtic settlement existing in - perhaps - Greenland.

In year 825, an Irish monk named Dicuil wrote "Liber de Mensura Orbis Terrae", in which we can find a detailed description of the Faroe Islands, and a claim that hermit monks from Ireland had lived in those islands for 100 years before the "Northmen pirates" took them. He also describes the island of Thule (Iceland), beyond the Faroes, and writes that Irish hermit monks had been staying on Thule during the summer months for 30 years (since around 795 - about one century before first Vikings settled in Iceland). But were there also settlers, or just monks? And if just monks, then why?

The "Book of Settlements" (one of most important sources for early history of Iceland, alongside the "Book of Icelanders") claims that first Viking settlers in Iceland found traces of an earlier people, a Christian one, such as bells and crooks. Perhaps those were remains of hermitages of Irish monks.

"The Voyage of Saint Brendan the Navigator", a story first recorded around year 900 AD, indicates that certain Brendan (born in 484 AD in Kerry county, Ireland) reached Iceland, Greenland, the island of Jan Mayen in the Arctic Ocean, and maybe even the coast of America.

The Voyage of Saint Brendan is unique because it was recorded in 900 AD, before Viking travels to America took place. But there are more legends about Celtic travellers reaching America, such as this Welsh story about Madog ab Owain Gwynedd, who supposedly came to America in 1170:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

It is claimed that after 400 AD, when climate in the region started to gradually get warmer, Pictish and other Celtic sailors regularly visited Iceland, gathering exotic resources such as eiderdown, and exporting them to the Mediterranean world. For sea travels Picts and Britons were using wooden ships, while Irish people were using currachs, covered by bovine skins. Such ships could transport up to 20 people, they were propelled by sails and oars.

"People of the West" (Vestmenn), as they were later called by Norsemen, probably visited Iceland already before 400 AD - findings of coins from that period may indicate this. On the other hand, coins produced long before 400 AD could get there long after that date too.

But a more controversial issue is whether Celts actually established some settlements there or not (apart from some hermitages of monks). Farley Mowat in one of his books claimed that Eric the Red found an Irish house in Greenland.

Celts contributed with some advancements in shipbuilding techniques in Northern Europe (check for example Ellmers, "Celtic plank boats and ships 500 BC - AD 1000" and Casson, "Ships and seamanship in the ancient world").

A small archipelago of Vestmannaeyjar (near Iceland) is named so after Insular Celts, but the origins of this name are unclear. One theory is that it is relatively recent and comes from Celtic slaves who escaped from Viking captivity and settled there. So this is probably not a sign of Celtic settlement predating Viking settlement. There are some other Celtic toponyms in Iceland as well (for example Írafell, Írafellsbunga, Kjaransvík, etc.).

Authun's Saga also mentioned some Celtic couple from Scotland traveling with the Vikings to Vinland.

[Aren]

I have many Norwegian kits

Southwestern Norway(Rogaland)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.26
2 Atlantic 26.12
3 Baltic 12.7
4 Eastern_Euro 12.31
5 West_Med 6.47
6 Siberian 0.93
7 South_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.38
9 Sub-Saharan 0.32
10 West_Asian 0.04
11 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 3.29
2 West_Norwegian 3.57
3 Swedish 4.98
4 North_Dutch 5.09
5 Danish 5.2
6 West_Scottish 6.45
7 Orcadian 6.61
8 Irish 7.16
9 North_Swedish 7.23
10 Southeast_English 7.86
11 North_German 8.3
12 Southwest_English 8.68
13 West_German 11.17
14 South_Dutch 11.92
15 Southwest_Finnish 13.73
16 East_German 14.51
17 French 16.39
18 Finnish 16.58
19 Hungarian 18.91
20 Austrian 19.57

Southwestern Norway(Hordaland, Agder)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.28
2 Atlantic 24.25
3 Baltic 12.92
4 Eastern_Euro 12.52
5 West_Med 4.63
6 West_Asian 2.7
7 South_Asian 1.26
8 Oceanian 0.57
9 Amerindian 0.51
10 Siberian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 2.23
2 West_Norwegian 3.15
3 Swedish 3.42
4 North_Dutch 5.2
5 Danish 5.32
6 North_Swedish 6
7 Orcadian 7.28
8 West_Scottish 7.4
9 North_German 7.88
10 Irish 8.03
11 Southeast_English 8.85
12 Southwest_English 9.81
13 West_German 10.96
14 South_Dutch 12.4
15 Southwest_Finnish 13.21
16 East_German 14.12
17 Finnish 15.72
18 French 17.08
19 Hungarian 18.13
20 Austrian 19.16

[Grace O'Malley]

Here - there's a clear eastern shift away from true NW Euros

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 29.17
2 Neolithic 25.8
3 Steppe 22.94
4 Caucasian 19.76
5 Siberian 2.09
6 Subsaharian 0.13
7 Indian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dutch (Netherlands) 2.75
2 Swede (Sweden) 3.43
3 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 3.63
4 Pole (EastPoland) 3.74
5 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 3.97
6 German (Germany) 3.99
7 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 4.41
8 Pole (WestPoland) 4.42
9 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 4.48
10 Irish (Munster) 4.57
11 Sorb (Lusatia) 4.61
12 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.68
13 Pole (Wroclaw) 4.87
14 Scottish (Fife) 5.08
15 German (NorthGermany) 5.11
16 Scottish (Highlands) 5.23
17 Norwegian (Norwegia) 5.24
18 Irish (Connacht) 5.27
19 Scottish (Borders) 5.39
20 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Dutch (Netherlands) + 17.7% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 1.96
2 85.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 14.5% Finn (EastFinland) @ 2.02
3 59.5% Irish (Connacht) + 40.5% Pole (Poland) @ 2.05
4 87.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.2% Russian (Pinega) @ 2.09
5 54.9% Pole (Wroclaw) + 45.1% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.1
6 59.3% Irish (Connacht) + 40.7% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.15
7 51.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 48.8% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.16
8 86.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13.5% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.17
9 88.1% Dutch (Netherlands) + 11.9% Vepsa (Russia) @ 2.17
10 64.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 35.1% Pole (Poland) @ 2.19
11 89.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 10.5% Russian (Russia) @ 2.2
12 86.9% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13.1% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.21
13 87.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.5% Karelian (Karelia) @ 2.21
14 94% Dutch (Netherlands) + 6% Saami_WGA (Lapland) @ 2.22
15 52% English (Kent) + 48% Pole (Poland) @ 2.22
16 51.7% Ukrainian (Ukraine) + 48.3% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.25
17 82.4% Dutch (Netherlands) + 17.6% Russian (CentralRussia) @ 2.25
18 81.7% Dutch (Netherlands) + 18.3% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.26
19 87.2% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.8% Latvian (Latvia) @ 2.27
20 87% Dutch (Netherlands) + 13% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.27

Here's my MDLP K16 to compare. They look Northwest European to me. Look at their primary population mix. Are you sure they are Norwegian because they are further to Norwegian than me?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 28.78
2 NorthEastEuropean 28.47
3 Steppe 24.76
4 Caucasian 17.25
5 Indian 0.58
6 Amerindian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 2.8
2 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 3.08
3 Irish (Connacht) 3.15
4 English (Cornwall) 3.17
5 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 3.33
6 Scottish (Highlands) 3.43
7 English (Kent) 3.52
8 Irish (Ulster) 3.59
9 Irish (Munster) 3.64
10 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 3.69
11 Norwegian (Norwegia) 3.71
12 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 3.78
13 Irish (Leinster) 4.17
14 Scottish (Grampian) 4.19
15 English (England) 4.2
16 Scottish (Fife) 4.23
17 Icelandic (Iceland) 4.28
18 Scottish (Borders) 4.3
19 French (WestFrance) 4.35
20 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 24.8% German (Germany) @ 2.02
2 69.5% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 30.5% German (Germany) @ 2.05
3 65.2% Icelandic (Iceland) + 34.8% German (Germany) @ 2.08
4 78.8% English (Kent) + 21.2% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.11
5 82.4% English (Kent) + 17.6% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.14
6 83.2% English (Kent) + 16.8% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.16
7 63.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 36.4% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.17
8 86% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 14% Italian (Bergamo) @ 2.21
9 85% English (Kent) + 15% Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) @ 2.22
10 72.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 27.1% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.24
11 80.1% English (Kent) + 19.9% Pole (Poland) @ 2.24
12 57.2% Irish (Connacht) + 42.8% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.25
13 55.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 44.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.26
14 86.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 13.1% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2.26
15 52.2% English (Kent) + 47.8% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.28
16 70.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 29.8% French (France) @ 2.29
17 74.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 25.8% German (Germany) @ 2.29
18 89.8% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 10.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.3
19 85.9% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 14.1% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.31
20 58.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 41.5% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 2.31

[Bobby Martnen]

Here's my MDLP K16 to compare. They look Northwest European to me. Look at their primary population mix. Are you sure they are Norwegian because they are further to Norwegian than me?


I am. Their kit number is T741667

They clearly have some NW Euro in them, but also a lot of NE Euro, too.

[Bobby Martnen]

Finns, Balts and east Slavs are northeast Europeans not Scandinavians, who are closer to Brits and Dutch than to them, by a long shot.

Scandinavians still are much farther east than Brits or Dutch. They're much more similar to the East Prussians, who also have a lot of Baltic ancestry.

[Dick]

Finns, Balts and east Slavs are northeast Europeans not Scandinavians, who are closer to Brits and Dutch than to them, by a long shot.

I think he meant they have less celtic

[Aren]

Scandinavians still are much farther east than Brits or Dutch. They're much more similar to the East Prussians, who also have a lot of Baltic ancestry.

The Dutch(with the exception of the far south Dutch) are closer to Scandos. Stop humiliating yourself please.

[Bobby Martnen]

The Dutch(with the exception of the far south Dutch) are closer to Scandos. Stop humiliating yourself please.

Dutch are still west of all Scandos.

[Jana]

Scandinavians still are much farther east than Brits or Dutch. They're much more similar to the East Prussians, who also have a lot of Baltic ancestry.

Not so much friend. East Prussians are genetically Polish or Lithuanian, and Scandos aren't very close to them :p

[Bobby Martnen]

Not so much friend. East Prussians are genetically Polish or Lithuanian, and Scandos aren't very close to them :p

Scandos are equidistant between Baltic groups and NW Euros.