How Italian are you? Post your Italian score from Eurogenes K36.

[AK-47]

How Italian are you? Post your Italian score from Eurogenes K36.

Italian 21.82

[alnortedelsur]

My results from 23AndMe:



Population
Amerindian 6.06
Arabian 0.37
Armenian 1.25
Basque 5.58
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.60
East_African 0.54
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.79
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.18
Eastern_Euro 3.11
Fennoscandian 2.42
French 4.25
Iberian 18.87
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.98
North_African 5.14
North_Atlantic 4.31
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.36
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.17
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.13
West_Caucasian 0.95
West_Med 3.36


My results from Ancestry DNA:


Population
Amerindian 5.99
Arabian 0.47
Armenian 1.56
Basque 6.18
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.73
East_African 0.85
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.56
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.67
Eastern_Euro 2.35
Fennoscandian 1.90
French 5.19
Iberian 19.80
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.80
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.63
North_African 4.47
North_Atlantic 4.01
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.20
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.32
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.12
West_Caucasian 1.60
West_Med 3.61

[AK-47]

21.85
Do you have an Italian great-grandparent?

[Coolguy1]

The "Italian" component is not Italian. It is poorly, it peaks amongst Anatolian farmers, whom Balkanites and Italians are both heavily descended from.

[Sikeliot]

The "Italian" component is not Italian. It is poorly, it peaks amongst Anatolian farmers, whom Balkanites and Italians are both heavily descended from.

The Italian component is very high among the Mycenaean and Minoan samples.

[Albannach]

5.85

[Sikeliot]

Most Sicilians score 17-22% of the component in my experience.

[AK-47]

Most Sicilians score 17-22% of the component in my experience.
What do central and northern Italians score?

[Dibran]

The Italian component is very high among the Mycenaean and Minoan samples.

Could explain me and my fathers atypical values. Perhaps preserved autosomes.

My Father: 35%

Me: 31%

[Leto]

My results from 23AndMe:



Population
Amerindian 6.06
Arabian 0.37
Armenian 1.25
Basque 5.58
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.60
East_African 0.54
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.79
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.18
Eastern_Euro 3.11
Fennoscandian 2.42
French 4.25
Iberian 18.87
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.98
North_African 5.14
North_Atlantic 4.31
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.36
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.17
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.13
West_Caucasian 0.95
West_Med 3.36


My results from Ancestry DNA:


Population
Amerindian 5.99
Arabian 0.47
Armenian 1.56
Basque 6.18
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.73
East_African 0.85
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.56
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.67
Eastern_Euro 2.35
Fennoscandian 1.90
French 5.19
Iberian 19.80
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.80
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.63
North_African 4.47
North_Atlantic 4.01
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.20
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.32
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.12
West_Caucasian 1.60
West_Med 3.61

Why is the difference so immense? Do you have the fucked up V5 chip? I would advise you not to use it then. Stick to Ancestry and FTDNA.

[Leto]

0% Italian, sorry.

[Aodhan]

60%

[Ritz06]

Italian 12.40

[AK-47]

Could explain me and my fathers atypical values. Perhaps preserved autosomes.

My Father: 35%

Me: 31%
We have archaic Italian ancestry.
It got passed into our genome from ancient times and is part of the fabric of our modern genetics.
Ashkenazim Italian lines date back to the Roman empire.

[waam]

Italian 6.79

[Astarte]

19.16

[Ylla]

23.02

[Jana]

Stears scores very high Italian for a Central European, 18% ! (rounded)

I score 13%. (rounded)

[Percivalle]

Could explain me and my fathers atypical values. Perhaps preserved autosomes.

My Father: 35%

Me: 31%


Of course "Italian" on K36 doesn't imply real "Italian" ancestry.



NE5 7.1ky Hungarian neolitich: Italian 40.29%

NE6, 7.1ky Hungarian neolitich: Italian 40.97%

NE7, 6.4ky Hungarian neolitich: Italian 37.61%

Stuttgart LBK 7ky German neolithic: Italian 34.83%

NE1 7ky Hungarian neolitich: Italian 32.60%

[Grace O'Malley]

0.69. Wouldn't mind being more Italian though. :) I always get along really well with the Italian people.

[Mortimer]

Italian 17.72

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[AK-47]

Italian 17.72

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Do you have known Italian ancestry?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Italian: 15,85%

[Mortimer]

Do you have known Italian ancestry?

No not at all.

[Maintenance]

11.95 i think

[Mortimer]

Do you have known Italian ancestry?

But I get on some DNA sites high italian scores though.

On Genecove for example. Of course this isnt "real" Italian ancestry.

https://preview.ibb.co/bT0gHS/Gencoveupdatedancestryresults.jpg

[AK-47]

No not at all.
Maybe it's lighting up from your Serb ancestors?

[Mortimer]

Maybe it's lighting up from your Serb ancestors?

Gypsies have some European too. Its from Serb and a little bit from Gypsies too.

[AK-47]

Gypsies have some European too. Its from Serb and a little bit from Gypsies too.
No doubt.
Many have considerable European admixture.

[alnortedelsur]

I know this "Italian" from K36 does not represent actual Italian ancestry, but still, I find it weird that some members without known Italian ancestry score more of it than myself.

I say it because, as I have mentioned before, my paternal great grandpa was an Italian immigrant, and even my surname is Italian, since it was transmitted down to me by paternal line all the time.

[Albannach]

If Italian on k36 doesn't represent real Italian what does it represent?

Could it represent south east euro? as while I don't have any Italian matches on myorigins and myheritage I do have a number of Bulgarians for some reason.

[AK-47]

I know this "Italian" from K36 does not represent actual Italian ancestry, but still, I find it weird that some members without known Italian ancestry score more of it than myself.

I say it because, as I have mentioned before, my paternal great grandpa was an Italian immigrant, and even my surname is Italian, since it was transmitted down to me by paternal line all the time.

This test does light up reliably people with known Italic ancestry.
Sikeliot has pointed out that Sicilians tend to average between the high teens to low 20s on this test.
So there are reference averages from known Italians.

[Percivalle]

Stears scores very high Italian for a Central European, 18% ! (rounded)

I score 13%. (rounded)

You're not alone. ;)



A Croat woman from Gora, Sisak-Moslavina

Italian 13.25%

A Croat from Zagreb

Italian 12.22%


A couple of Serbs

Italian 18.73%

Italian 16.89%


A couple of Bulgarians

Italian 20.97%

Italian 16.30%


A couple of Swiss-French

Italian 15.91%

Italian 17.72%


A couple of Swiss-Germans

Italian 14.15%

Italian 19.63%


A couple of Austrians

Italian 15.22%

Italian 15.88%


A couple of French

Italian 22.79% (South France)

Italian 20.38% (Half from Alsace, half from Lorraine)


A Belgian from Hainaut

Italian 15.50%


A Southern German

Italian 20.25%


A Western German

Italian 16.42%



I know this "Italian" from K36 does not represent actual Italian ancestry, but still, I find it weird that some members without known Italian ancestry score more of it than myself.

I say it because, as I have mentioned before, my paternal great grandpa was an Italian immigrant, and even my surname is Italian, since it was transmitted down to me by paternal line all the time.


For example Dibran and his father have more "Italian" than most Italians themselves.



If Italian on k36 doesn't represent real Italian what does it represent?


In most cases it's only shared ancestry that dates back to neolithic ages.

[alnortedelsur]

Why is the difference so immense? Do you have the fucked up V5 chip? I would advise you not to use it then. Stick to Ancestry and FTDNA.

I'm not pretty sure, but I think I have the V4 chip. I took my 23AndMe test by April last year.

In any case, these are my results, based on 23AndMe, from Genesis Gedmatch, which show almost the same Italian score as in the regular gedmatch:

Amerindian 6.06
Arabian 0.32
Armenian 1.26
Basque 5.59
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.63
East_African 0.52
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.81
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 7.13
Eastern_Euro 3.07
Fennoscandian 2.40
French 4.30
Iberian 18.86
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.51
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.05
North_African 5.16
North_Atlantic 4.31
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 8.31
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.16
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 4.14
West_Caucasian 1.00
West_Med 3.37

[oszkar07]

Italian 11.73

[Percivalle]

Italian 14.51

14.51 is not so dramatically low. There are even some Italians who score 14/15. The Italian average is not that high either, around 20/25%, but there is a lot of individual variation.

Of course Italian on K36 isn't Italic ancestry in a strict sense either.

[pmv74]

24.45


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[ovidiu]

Got 16.79 on this one. Yeah I don't know what this means since apparently a lot of people around the continent get decent amounts.

[Leto]

I'm not pretty sure, but I think I have the V4 chip. I took my 23AndMe test by April last year.

In any case, these are my results, based on 23AndMe, from Genesis Gedmatch, which show almost the same Italian score as in the regular gedmatch:

Well, if the raw data used was the same, it doesn't matter whether you use Genesis or regular GM. Send me Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b with both types of data and I'll see. Also add FTDNA please.

[alnortedelsur]

Regular Gedmatch:


Eurogenes K13 Oracle (23AndMe):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.93
2 West_Med 21.66
3 East_Med 15.12
4 Baltic 9.55
5 Amerindian 6.51
6 Sub-Saharan 5.77
7 West_Asian 4.36
8 Red_Sea 3.2
9 Northeast_African 1.08
10 Siberian 0.82

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 11.4
2 Portuguese 11.44
3 North_Italian 11.78
4 Spanish_Murcia 12.29
5 Spanish_Galicia 12.35
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.1
7 Spanish_Andalucia 13.4
8 Spanish_Valencia 13.44
9 Spanish_Cataluna 13.53
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.16
11 Tuscan 14.23
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.14
13 French 15.82
14 Spanish_Aragon 16.47
15 Southwest_French 16.95
16 West_Sicilian 18.62
17 Romanian 19.19
18 Italian_Abruzzo 19.22
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.25
20 West_German 19.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 9.1% North_Amerindian @ 7.12
2 90.9% Portuguese + 9.1% North_Amerindian @ 7.2
3 91.7% Portuguese + 8.3% Mayan @ 7.23
4 92% Portuguese + 8% Pima @ 7.29
5 92.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.9% Pima @ 7.31
6 91.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 8.2% Mayan @ 7.32
7 92.9% Portuguese + 7.1% Karitiana @ 7.41
8 93% Spanish_Extremadura + 7% Karitiana @ 7.47
9 88.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.4% West_Greenlander @ 7.94
10 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Mayan @ 8.04
11 89.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.1% East_Greenlander @ 8.05
12 90.5% Spanish_Galicia + 9.5% North_Amerindian @ 8.08
13 90.6% Spanish_Murcia + 9.4% North_Amerindian @ 8.1
14 91.3% Spanish_Galicia + 8.7% Mayan @ 8.13
15 92.3% North_Italian + 7.7% Pima @ 8.13
16 91.7% Spanish_Galicia + 8.3% Pima @ 8.16
17 91.4% Spanish_Murcia + 8.6% Mayan @ 8.17
18 91.3% North_Italian + 8.7% North_Amerindian @ 8.17
19 93.1% North_Italian + 6.9% Karitiana @ 8.19
20 91.8% Spanish_Murcia + 8.2% Pima @ 8.2


Eurogenes K13 Oracle (Ancestry DNA):


Admix Results (sorted):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.95
2 West_Med 22.01
3 East_Med 15.7
4 Baltic 8.88
5 Amerindian 6.66
6 Sub-Saharan 5.34
7 West_Asian 4.2
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 1.4
10 Siberian 0.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 11.22
2 Portuguese 11.35
3 North_Italian 11.55
4 Spanish_Murcia 12.06
5 Spanish_Galicia 12.36
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.99
7 Spanish_Andalucia 13.1
8 Spanish_Valencia 13.24
9 Spanish_Cataluna 13.51
10 Tuscan 13.89
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.95
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.09
13 French 16.16
14 Spanish_Aragon 16.25
15 Southwest_French 16.97
16 West_Sicilian 18.25
17 Italian_Abruzzo 18.97
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.22
19 Romanian 19.58
20 West_German 20.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 9.2% North_Amerindian @ 6.78
2 92% Spanish_Extremadura + 8% Pima @ 6.93
3 91.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 8.3% Mayan @ 6.94
4 91.6% Portuguese + 8.4% Mayan @ 6.97
5 90.8% Portuguese + 9.2% North_Amerindian @ 6.99
6 92% Portuguese + 8% Pima @ 7.04
7 92.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 7.1% Karitiana @ 7.08
8 92.8% Portuguese + 7.2% Karitiana @ 7.15
9 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Mayan @ 7.61
10 90.5% Spanish_Murcia + 9.5% North_Amerindian @ 7.7
11 92.2% North_Italian + 7.8% Pima @ 7.72
12 91.4% Spanish_Murcia + 8.6% Mayan @ 7.72
13 93% North_Italian + 7% Karitiana @ 7.76
14 91.7% Spanish_Murcia + 8.3% Pima @ 7.76
15 91.2% North_Italian + 8.8% North_Amerindian @ 7.8
16 88.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.2% West_Greenlander @ 7.83
17 89.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.1% East_Greenlander @ 7.86
18 92.6% Spanish_Murcia + 7.4% Karitiana @ 7.91
19 90.4% Spanish_Galicia + 9.6% North_Amerindian @ 8.03
20 91.2% Spanish_Galicia + 8.8% Mayan @ 8.03


Dodecad K12b Oracle (23AndMe):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 33.53
2 North_European 24.16
3 Caucasus 14.9
4 Southwest_Asian 5.69
5 Gedrosia 5.45
6 Northwest_African 4.84
7 Sub_Saharan 4.27
8 East_Asian 3.08
9 Siberian 2.13
10 East_African 1.83
11 South_Asian 0.12
12 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.63
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.26
3 North_Italian (HGDP) 14.58
4 Portuguese (Dodecad) 15.53
5 Galicia (1000Genomes) 15.57
6 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 15.79
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.97
8 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.43
9 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.83
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.26
11 Murcia (1000Genomes) 17.9
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.35
13 French (Dodecad) 18.47
14 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 18.5
15 French (HGDP) 18.56
16 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 19.64
17 Spanish (Dodecad) 19.77
18 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 19.94
19 Spaniards (Behar) 19.94
20 Romanians (Behar) 20.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 27.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.94
2 72.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 27.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.22
3 71.7% French (HGDP) + 28.3% Egyptans (Behar) @ 7.53
4 72.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 27.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.66
5 52.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 47.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.7
6 50.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.79
7 53.5% English (Dodecad) + 46.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.79
8 53.6% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 46.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.8
9 51% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.81
10 54.2% Kent (1000Genomes) + 45.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.81
11 51.3% Irish (Dodecad) + 48.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.82
12 52.7% British (Dodecad) + 47.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.86
13 53.4% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 46.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.92
14 51.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 48.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.96
15 54.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 45.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 8.03
16 56.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 43.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 8.19
17 69% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 31% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 8.2
18 55.4% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 44.6% Romanians (Behar) @ 8.29
19 67.3% Spanish (Dodecad) + 32.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 8.3
20 56.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 8.36


Dodecad K12b Oracle (Ancestry DNA):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 34.03
2 North_European 23.23
3 Caucasus 15.87
4 Gedrosia 5.34
5 Southwest_Asian 5.33
6 Northwest_African 4.51
7 Sub_Saharan 3.89
8 East_Asian 2.96
9 Siberian 2.56
10 East_African 2.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 11.78
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.41
3 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.65
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.89
5 Galicia (1000Genomes) 15.31
6 Portuguese (Dodecad) 15.4
7 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 15.49
8 Baleares (1000Genomes) 15.95
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.16
10 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.36
11 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.31
12 Murcia (1000Genomes) 17.5
13 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 18.2
14 French (Dodecad) 18.98
15 French (HGDP) 19.01
16 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 19.34
17 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 19.45
18 Spanish (Dodecad) 19.54
19 Spaniards (Behar) 19.59
20 Romanians (Behar) 20.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 27.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.18
2 72.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 27.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
3 72.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 27.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
4 68.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 31.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.21
5 67% Spanish (Dodecad) + 33% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.39
6 69.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 30.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.44
7 50.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.67
8 52.7% Kent (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.75
9 51.9% English (Dodecad) + 48.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.76
10 52% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 48% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.77
11 71% French (HGDP) + 29% Egyptans (Behar) @ 7.77
12 51.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 48.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.78
13 51.2% British (Dodecad) + 48.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.78
14 50.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.8% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.81
15 57% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 7.83
16 50.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 7.84
17 75.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 24.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.84
18 50.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 7.85
19 56.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 7.85
20 76.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 23.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.95


Gedmatch Genesis


Eurogenes K13 Oracle (23AndMe):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 34.03
2 North_European 23.23
3 Caucasus 15.87
4 Gedrosia 5.34
5 Southwest_Asian 5.33
6 Northwest_African 4.51
7 Sub_Saharan 3.89
8 East_Asian 2.96
9 Siberian 2.56
10 East_African 2.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 11.78
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.41
3 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.65
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.89
5 Galicia (1000Genomes) 15.31
6 Portuguese (Dodecad) 15.4
7 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 15.49
8 Baleares (1000Genomes) 15.95
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.16
10 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.36
11 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.31
12 Murcia (1000Genomes) 17.5
13 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 18.2
14 French (Dodecad) 18.98
15 French (HGDP) 19.01
16 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 19.34
17 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 19.45
18 Spanish (Dodecad) 19.54
19 Spaniards (Behar) 19.59
20 Romanians (Behar) 20.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 27.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.18
2 72.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 27.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
3 72.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 27.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.71
4 68.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 31.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.21
5 67% Spanish (Dodecad) + 33% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.39
6 69.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 30.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.44
7 50.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.67
8 52.7% Kent (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.75
9 51.9% English (Dodecad) + 48.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.76
10 52% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 48% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.77
11 71% French (HGDP) + 29% Egyptans (Behar) @ 7.77
12 51.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 48.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.78
13 51.2% British (Dodecad) + 48.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.78
14 50.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.8% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.81
15 57% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 7.83
16 50.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 7.84
17 75.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 24.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.84
18 50.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 7.85
19 56.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 7.85
20 76.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 23.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.95


Dodecad K12b Oracle (23AndMe):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 33.54
2 North_European 24.14
3 Caucasus 14.91
4 Southwest_Asian 5.66
5 Gedrosia 5.47
6 Northwest_African 4.85
7 Sub_Saharan 4.27
8 East_Asian 3.08
9 Siberian 2.13
10 East_African 1.82
11 South_Asian 0.09
12 Southeast_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.62
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.25
3 North_Italian (HGDP) 14.57
4 Portuguese (Dodecad) 15.52
5 Galicia (1000Genomes) 15.56
6 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 15.77
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.96
8 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.42
9 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.81
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.25
11 Murcia (1000Genomes) 17.89
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.35
13 French (Dodecad) 18.48
14 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 18.48
15 French (HGDP) 18.56
16 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 19.62
17 Spanish (Dodecad) 19.75
18 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 19.92
19 Spaniards (Behar) 19.92
20 Romanians (Behar) 20.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 27.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.91
2 72.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 27.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.2
3 71.7% French (HGDP) + 28.3% Egyptans (Behar) @ 7.55
4 72.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 27.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.63
5 52.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 47.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.7
6 50.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.8
7 53.5% English (Dodecad) + 46.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.8
8 53.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 46.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.8
9 54.2% Kent (1000Genomes) + 45.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.81
10 51% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.82
11 51.3% Irish (Dodecad) + 48.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.82
12 52.7% British (Dodecad) + 47.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.86
13 53.4% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 46.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.92
14 51.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 48.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 7.97
15 54.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 45.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 8.04
16 69% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 31% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 8.18
17 56.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 43.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 8.19
18 67.3% Spanish (Dodecad) + 32.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 8.27
19 55.5% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 44.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 8.29
20 56.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) + 43.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 8.36


I haven't uploaded my Ancestry DNA Raw Data to Gedmatch Genesis yet.

[Iloko]

I scored 0

[Ajeje Brazorf]

"Italian" on K36 is a retarded component made up of Bergamo + Tuscans or maybe LBK + CBK.

[Damião de Góis]

I score a lot, 19.1

[Leto]

...
Thanks. Almost the same, basically some variation within 1 percent.

[firemonkey]

3.32 -me
1.34- father

[J. Ketch]

13.71, mama mia, I haven't even a big nose.

[Chaos One]

11.14

[frankhammer]

Italian 13.07

[Helen]

Italian 11.78

[de Burgh II]

Italian 8.60

[paradox]

Mine 17.79
Dad's 17.46

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[MysteriousWays]

This "Italian" score is poorly delineated and seems quite random. For what it's worth, I score 12.75

[Dibran]

This "Italian" score is poorly delineated and seems quite random. For what it's worth, I score 12.75

Not actual Italian I don't think. More Central Mediterranean. Mycenaean samples score as high as 45-50 percent of it.

[Percivalle]

Not actual Italian I don't think. More Central Mediterranean. Mycenaean samples score as high as 45-50 percent of it.

Mostly it is Neolithic ancestry in Mycenaeans. Just like in the German and Hungarian Neolithic samples. In K36 there is no Greek component. If it existed it would have replaced a part of the Italian one in the results, lowering the Italian percentage.

[Dibran]

Mostly it is Neolithic ancestry in Mycenaeans. Just like in the German and Hungarian Neolithic samples. In K36 there is no Greek component. If it existed it would have replaced a part of the Italian one in the results, lowering the Italian percentage.

I would imagine so if other components were included.

[PoliAussie]

7.63%

Does this mean I'll be any good at making pizzas or nah?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Italian: 15,85%

And now adding Mistress Viriato:

Italian: 14,27%

[FilhoV]

12.94

[MinervaItalica]

13.71, mama mia, I haven't even a big nose.

Probably because the big nose is not an Italian feature like many still ignorantly think :rolleyes:

Also it's mamma mia, mama is spanish black latino :thumb001:

[Bosniensis]

13.07 Italian

Well I am not Italian obviously. :)

[Teutonski]

4.14 %

[Art23]

Italian 3.72

ciao :)

[Leto]

Italian 3.72

ciao :)
On a separate note, can you please share your Eurogenes K13 results?

[celtique]

8.47

[Erronkari]

12.42

[Kriptc06]

15.8

[Vid Flumina]

14.66

[Rius]

Italian 6.90

[DarkWater]

11.71

[GreentheViper]

Italian: 7.07

[Krivich]

0,07% :lmao

[Lauχum]

17.91%

[Krivich]

0% Italian, sorry.
Dude, you and I are Balto-Mongols, not real Europeans :coffee:

[Ayarezki]

6,10 ..from Bejaia - Kabylia - Algeria - North Africa hhh

[Kaspias]

7.78

[magicalM]

Italian10.59

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[Hadouken]

Italian 5.47

[GiCa]

It seems. French and South germans get the highest Italian out of italians themselves.

Those proove completely wrong to those denials as Alps as a quite easy and accessible place of natural genes mixes.

They get that because they are our Alpine brothers

[Rocinante]

Italian 22.52

[TheMaestro]

Italian 18.56

[Iloko]

Zero

[Lafaur]

14.36 Pct

[CommonSense]

Italian 16.61

[Moje ime]

Italian 10.72

[PT Tagus]

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.91 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 5.05 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.95 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.34 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.10 Pct
East_Med 6.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 2.56 Pct
French 13.43 Pct
Iberian 18.07 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.71 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.30 Pct
North_African 5.99 Pct
North_Atlantic 8.78 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.17 Pct
North_Sea 5.97 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 1.73 Pct
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.69 Pct

[dududud]

Me: 17.29

Father: 13.62

Mother: 15.87

[JamesBond007]

9.54 percent

[Gaditanian]

0% Italian, sorry.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/12hhtzntjlo6sM/giphy.gif

[Celestia]

11.63

[Hapanuwa]

13.99%

[Kyp]

Italian 9.25 Pct

[altaic]

Me: 11.16% Italian
My mom: 7.94% Italian

[Lemgrant]

https://i.imgur.com/QLQewul.png
https://i.imgur.com/kg2VCxn.png
https://i.imgur.com/4AdSu54.png
https://i.imgur.com/L596PpO.png
https://i.imgur.com/1canwQm.png

[Dušan]

Italian 15.44%

Dalmatian (Krajina) Serb average Italian 15.41% :)



https://i.imgur.com/kg2VCxn.png

[**JC**]

Italian 10.66 Pct

[SUPREEEEEME]

11.19%

[Ancap]

Fully Calabrian

[Ritz06]

Why is italian my biggest component with 12.32 % in K36?

[JerryS.]

use the regular oracle (mixed mode) two population listings from Dodecad V3 and MDLP K23b to see if its real Italian.

[JerryS.]

Why is italian my biggest component with 12.32 % in K36?

because its a poor model to measure such a thing. see my post above.

[JerryS.]

Fully Calabrian

where in Calabria?

[Ritz06]

Do you mean like this?

# Population Percent
1 West_European 30.95
2 West_Asian 23.35
3 Mediterranean 22.61
4 East_European 10.28
5 South_Asian 4.7
6 Southwest_Asian 4.56
7 Southeast_Asian 2.09
8 Northeast_Asian 1.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 15.47
2 TSI (HapMap) 16.2
3 Tuscan (Henn) 16.47
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.98
5 Stalskoe (Xing) 17.82
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.63
7 Slovenian (Xing) 18.74
8 Romanians_14 (Behar) 18.82
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 20.71
10 Hungarians (Behar) 21.18
11 Balkans (Dodecad) 21.34
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.21
13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.74
14 Urkarah (Xing) 24.37
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.66
16 Tuscan (HGDP) 25.11
17 N._European (Xing) 25.35
18 Greek (Dodecad) 25.56
19 CEU (HapMap) 25.69
20 German (Dodecad) 25.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% German (Dodecad) + 45.6% Turks (Behar) @ 3.56
2 53.1% German (Dodecad) + 46.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.81
3 54.8% N._European (Xing) + 45.2% Turks (Behar) @ 3.87
4 53% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 47% Kurd (Xing) @ 3.88
5 53.1% CEU (HapMap) + 46.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.96
6 57% CEU (HapMap) + 43% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.04
7 52.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 47.8% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.08
8 52.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 47.7% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.14
9 51.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 48.1% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.14
10 51.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 48.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.17
11 51.7% German (Dodecad) + 48.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.18
12 53.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 46.3% Turks (Behar) @ 4.18
13 57.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
14 51.2% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 48.8% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.29
15 57.1% German (Dodecad) + 42.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.32
16 52.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 47.4% Turks (Behar) @ 4.4
17 52.1% N._European (Xing) + 47.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.45
18 54.2% N._European (Xing) + 45.8% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.49
19 54.5% CEU (HapMap) + 45.5% Turks (Behar) @ 4.54
20 52.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 47.2% Turks (Behar) @ 4.54

[JerryS.]

Do you mean like this?

# Population Percent
1 West_European 30.95
2 West_Asian 23.35
3 Mediterranean 22.61
4 East_European 10.28
5 South_Asian 4.7
6 Southwest_Asian 4.56
7 Southeast_Asian 2.09
8 Northeast_Asian 1.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 15.47
2 TSI (HapMap) 16.2
3 Tuscan (Henn) 16.47
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.98
5 Stalskoe (Xing) 17.82
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.63
7 Slovenian (Xing) 18.74
8 Romanians_14 (Behar) 18.82
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 20.71
10 Hungarians (Behar) 21.18
11 Balkans (Dodecad) 21.34
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.21
13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.74
14 Urkarah (Xing) 24.37
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.66
16 Tuscan (HGDP) 25.11
17 N._European (Xing) 25.35
18 Greek (Dodecad) 25.56
19 CEU (HapMap) 25.69
20 German (Dodecad) 25.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% German (Dodecad) + 45.6% Turks (Behar) @ 3.56
2 53.1% German (Dodecad) + 46.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.81
3 54.8% N._European (Xing) + 45.2% Turks (Behar) @ 3.87
4 53% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 47% Kurd (Xing) @ 3.88
5 53.1% CEU (HapMap) + 46.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.96
6 57% CEU (HapMap) + 43% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.04
7 52.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 47.8% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.08
8 52.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 47.7% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.14
9 51.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 48.1% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.14
10 51.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 48.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.17
11 51.7% German (Dodecad) + 48.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.18
12 53.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 46.3% Turks (Behar) @ 4.18
13 57.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 4.26
14 51.2% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 48.8% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.29
15 57.1% German (Dodecad) + 42.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.32
16 52.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 47.4% Turks (Behar) @ 4.4
17 52.1% N._European (Xing) + 47.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.45
18 54.2% N._European (Xing) + 45.8% Kurd (Xing) @ 4.49
19 54.5% CEU (HapMap) + 45.5% Turks (Behar) @ 4.54
20 52.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 47.2% Turks (Behar) @ 4.54



yes, this is a better representation of your ethnic background. better that the oracle 4 that uses 3 and 4 population groups but only with percentages of 25, 50, 75, and 100%. the regular mixed mode oracle allows a 13% this or a 22% that to be reflected. of course the primary group is usually a mix of your primary ethnicity if they have overlapping DNA... ie. w/nw German, se English, and Dutch are so similar that any of them could be used as a representative if you have some of each in your background.

[Ritz06]

1 French_Dodecad + Kurd_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.191884
2 French_HGDP + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.309183
3 FIN_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Spanish_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.352227
4 French_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.357917
5 FIN_1000Genomes + Spaniards_Behar + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.370683
6 FIN_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.375215
7 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.377391
8 FIN_1000Genomes + Spanish_Dodecad + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.382478
9 French_HGDP + Kurd_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.385826
10 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.398561
11 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.431238
12 Dutch_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.453117
13 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Spanish_Dodecad + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.454571
14 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.561367
15 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.612202
16 Hungarians_Behar + Kent_1000 Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.629427
17 Orcadian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.651906
18 Orkney_1000 Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.667950
19 French_Dodecad + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.672395
20 CEU_HapMap + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.699217

IDK if french have anything to do with it

I do score 10% italian on Myheritage though

[JerryS.]

1 French_Dodecad + Kurd_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.191884
2 French_HGDP + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.309183
3 FIN_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Spanish_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.352227
4 French_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.357917
5 FIN_1000Genomes + Spaniards_Behar + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.370683
6 FIN_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.375215
7 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Iranian_Dodecad + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.377391
8 FIN_1000Genomes + Spanish_Dodecad + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.382478
9 French_HGDP + Kurd_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.385826
10 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.398561
11 FIN_1000Genomes + IBS_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.431238
12 Dutch_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Kurd_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.453117
13 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Spanish_Dodecad + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.454571
14 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar + Urkarah_Xing @ 2.561367
15 FIN_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.612202
16 Hungarians_Behar + Kent_1000 Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.629427
17 Orcadian_HGDP + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.651906
18 Orkney_1000 Genomes + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.667950
19 French_Dodecad + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.672395
20 CEU_HapMap + Kurd_Xing + Slovenian_Xing + Stalskoe_Xing @ 2.699217

IDK if french have anything to do with it

that's oracle 4, not the regular mixed mode oracle I told you about. oracle 4 forces data into 25% blocks, so 17% of something will have who knows what added to it from your other groups until its a cookie cutter 25% amount to label.

[peloponnesian]

23,98%