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USA-European coalition starts attacks against Syria because the greed by oil!

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WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Friday he had ordered strikes on Syrian targets, seeking to punish President Bashar al-Assad for a suspected chemical attack near Damascus that killed more than 40 people.

Mr. Trump said Britain and France had joined the United States in the strikes.

The strikes risked pulling the United States deeper into the complex, multi-sided war in Syria from which Mr. Trump only last week said he wanted to withdraw. They also raised the possibility of confrontation with Russia and Iran, both of which have military forces in Syria to support Mr. Assad.

In choosing to strike, it appeared that Mr. Trump’s desire to punish Mr. Assad for what he called a “barbaric act” — and make good on his tweets promising action this week — outweighed his desire to limit the United States’ military involvement in the conflict, at least in the short term.

The strikes marked the second time that Mr. Trump has attacked Syria to punish the government after it was accused of using chemical weapons. The White House had sought to craft a response that would be more robust than the attack last April, when the United States fired 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a Syrian air base that was back in use a day later.

France and Britain joined the United States in planning the latest fusillade of missiles against Mr. Assad’s government, presenting an allied condemnation of the April 7 suspected chemical attack in the town of Douma. Germany, however, refused to take part in the coordinated military action in Syria, even though Chancellor Angela Merkel called the use of chemical weapons “unacceptable.”

A fact-finding mission from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was to begin investigating the incident on Saturday in Douma, which had been held by rebels before the suspected attack. The mission’s job was only to determine whether chemical weapons had been used, not who had used them.

Medical and rescue groups have reported that the Syrian military dropped bombs that released chemical substances during an offensive to take the town. A New York Times review of videos of the attack’s aftermath, and interviews with residents and medical workers, suggested that Syrian government helicopters dropped canisters giving off some sort of chemical compound that suffocated at least 43 people.

On Friday, American officials said they had intelligence implicating the Syrian government.

“We have a very high confidence that Syria was responsible,” said Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary. She said Russia was “part of the problem” for failing to prevent the use of such weapons.

At the United Nations, Nikki R. Haley, the American ambassador to the world body, accused the Syrian government of using banned chemical arms at least 50 times since the country’s civil war began in 2011. State Department officials said the United States was still trying to identify the chemical used on April 7.

President Emmanuel Macron of France on Thursday cited proof that the Syrian government had launched chlorine gas attacks. The same day, the British Cabinet authorized Prime Minister Theresa May to join the United States and France in planning strikes against Syria.

Leaders in Syria, Iran and Russia denied that government forces had used chemical weapons, and accused rescue workers and the rebels who had controlled Douma of fabricating the videos to win international sympathy.

On Friday, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said images of victims of the purported attack had been staged with “Britain’s direct involvement.” He provided no evidence.

Karen Pierce, Britain’s ambassador to the United Nations, called those allegations “bizarre” and “a blatant lie.”

In the immediate aftermath of the suspected attack, Mr. Trump called Mr. Assad an “animal,” warning the Syrian leader and his Russian and Iranian backers that they would have a “big price to pay.” That suggested the United States might take action against Syria’s patrons as well.

If it’s Russia, if it’s Syria, if it’s Iran, if it’s all of them together, we’ll figure it out and we’ll know the answers quite soon,” Mr. Trump said early in the week. “So we’re looking at that very strongly and very seriously.”

Mr. Trump’s defense secretary, Jim Mattis, had sought to slow down the march to military action as allies compiled evidence of Mr. Assad’s role that would assure the world the strikes were warranted. Mr. Mattis also raised concerns that a concerted bombing campaign could escalate into a wider conflict between Russia, Iran and the West.

Before the strikes, the United States had mostly stopped aiding Syria’s rebels, like those who were in Douma, who want to topple Mr. Assad’s government. The Pentagon’s most recent efforts in Syria have focused on the fight against Islamic State militants in the country’s east, where it has partnered with a Kurdish-led militia to battle the jihadists.

It is the roughly 2,000 American troops there that Mr. Trump said he wants to bring home.

Russian forces and Iranian-backed militias also are deployed around Syria to help fight the rebellion — including the Islamic State and other extremist groups — that has surged against Mr. Assad since the conflict started more than seven years ago.

A previous American attack on Syria, last April, came after a chemical attack on the village of Khan Sheikhoun killed scores of people. Mr. Trump ordered a cruise missile strike against the Al Shayrat airfield in central Syria, where the attack had originated. The base was damaged but Syrian warplanes were again taking off from there a day later.

Still, the response set Mr. Trump apart from President Barack Obama, who declined to respond with military force after a chemical weapons attack in August 2013 killed hundreds of people near Damascus, even though Mr. Obama had earlier declared the use of such weapons a “red line.”

Mr. Obama ultimately backed off a military strike and reached an agreement with Russia to remove Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal. That agreement was said to have been carried out, although a series of reported chemical attacks since have raised doubts about its effectiveness.

Both American presidents have sought to keep United States involvement in Syria focused on the battle against the Islamic State, and not on toppling Mr. Assad or protecting civilians from violence.

The question now for Mr. Trump is whether his intervention against Mr. Assad will make it harder to keep the United States from slipping deeper into the Syrian war.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syria-attack.html

[Jägerstaffel]

US involvement in Syria is retarded but we are a net oil exporter now. It's not for oil. It's for Israel.

[KMack]

Ram you are really dumb. Oil is so fucking cheap. USA is the largest producer of oil/petro/gas on the planet. From you link.

Medical and rescue groups have reported that the Syrian military dropped bombs that released chemical substances during an offensive to take the town. A New York Times review of videos of the attack’s aftermath, and interviews with residents and medical workers, suggested that Syrian government helicopters dropped canisters giving off some sort of chemical compound that suffocated at least 43 people.

On Friday, American officials said they had intelligence implicating the Syrian government.

“We have a very high confidence that Syria was responsible,” said Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary. She said Russia was “part of the problem” for failing to prevent the use of such weapons.

[Armenian Bishop]

American and NATO provocations, slanderous lies, and military involvement in the Middle East aren't only about petrol-oil, there're other factors. It's about Russian advances towards a warm water port too. Islamic extremism and human rights are more about geopolitical advantages, and much less about protecting human rights. But, China and Russia have their own geopolitical ambitions, and NATO wants to negate there advantages.

[KMack]

American and NATO provocations, slanderous lies, and military involvement in the Middle East aren't only about petrol-oil, there're other factors. It's about Russian advances towards a warm water port too. Islamic extremism and human rights are more about geopolitical advantages, and much less about protecting human rights. But, China and Russia have their own geopolitical ambitions, and NATO wants to negate there advantages.

Assad arrested, tortured and killed kids for anti government graffiti. Nothing surprises me. Obama Clinton ran weapons into Benghazi.

[Jägerstaffel]

Ram you are really dumb. Oil is so fucking cheap. USA is the largest producer of oil/petro/gas on the planet. From you link.

Medical and rescue groups have reported that the Syrian military dropped bombs that released chemical substances during an offensive to take the town. A New York Times review of videos of the attack’s aftermath, and interviews with residents and medical workers, suggested that Syrian government helicopters dropped canisters giving off some sort of chemical compound that suffocated at least 43 people.

On Friday, American officials said they had intelligence implicating the Syrian government.

“We have a very high confidence that Syria was responsible,” said Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary. She said Russia was “part of the problem” for failing to prevent the use of such weapons.

Suspicious timing considering that Russia reported that they were concerned that there was going to be a false flag in Syria about a chemical attack BEFORE IT HAPPENED (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802261061989044-syria-ghouta-militants-chemical-provocation/), then Trump tweets that he wants to get us out of Syria and then - surprise surprise - there's a chemical attack in Ghouta just where the false flag attack was said to be planned. Suddenly all the neo-cons are excited at the prospect of flexing the military industrial complex muscles again.

Fuck this. Fuck Syria. Assad was winning and that's the best possible position for the US. The rightful government of Syria defeats ISIS, we get the hell out and leave them to their own devices.

[Armenian Bishop]

US involvement in Syria is retarded but we are a net oil exporter now. It's not for oil. It's for Israel.


Yea, that makes sense. Israel might have even instigated this latest crisis about chemical weapons in Syria. Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner, is Jewish American; probably, that makes him more malleable to Israel's geopolitical interests. But, I'm sure that there's more about it than just Israel.

[Sacrificed Ram]

USA doesn't want only be self sufficient in oil, they want the monopoly, control the prices, RETARDED ARE YOU!

[Jägerstaffel]

Yea, that makes sense. Israel might have even instigated this latest crisis about chemical weapons in Syria. Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner, is Jewish American; probably, that makes him more malleable to Israel's geopolitical interests. But, I'm sure that there's more about it than just Israel.

The Israel lobby in the US is extremely influential. I don't like Kushner and wouldn't trust him if my life depended on it, but this scenario is extremely plausible even without Jews being married into the Trump family.

[Jägerstaffel]

You can't doubt that the US is trying to counter Iranian influence in the destabilized Middle East as well, but again - who benefits? The US doesn't need to import oil like it used to. Israel benefits from destabilized neighbors and we are deeply enmeshed with them - unfortunately.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Could someone think Israel did the chemical attacks? Assad ever knew if he did it would result the pretext for a western attack and western was just waiting a pretext to attack and install their pipelines in Syria.

[catgeorge]

Fucking awesome - more fucking refugees send them to USA. What is left to bomb anyway.

[Jägerstaffel]

Could someone think Israel did the chemical attacks? Assad ever knew if he did it would result the pretext for a western attack and western was just waiting a pretext to attack and install their pipelines in Syria.

I think it was the "rebel" Islamists who did the attack, if it even happened. Assad would have to be catastrophically stupid to do something that would incense the US to depose him. The last time there was a supposed chemical attack, we wiped out like 20% of their air force.

He was essentially winning the war against the rebels. There would be no good reason to do what is alleged that he has done. Macron claims proof but no one else claims with certainty (other than US neo-con and liberal warhawks) that they know who performed the attack.

[Jägerstaffel]

Fucking awesome - more fucking refugees send them to USA. What is left to bomb anyway.

They'll just walk into Europe rather than find a way to the US. Europeans should be just as opposed to further aggression with Syria as the average American is.

[Sacrificed Ram]

this scenario is extremely plausible even without Jews being married into the Trump family.

Both Trump and Putin have doughters married with jews, Syria is fucked.

[Jägerstaffel]

Both Trump and Putin have doughters married with jews, Syria is fucked.

Trump's base will drop him like a sack of potatoes if he does this regime change horseshit. Americans are sick of it.

I think he realizes it but there are other interests involved here and he doesn't have as much leverage as he needs to extricate himself (and us) from this situation.

[Dick]

Wars are never fought for humanitarian reasons. Nobody buys this “poor civilians in a country most people can’t find on a map US must help them chemical attack” bullshit

[Jägerstaffel]

Wars are never fought for humanitarian reasons. Nobody buys this “poor civilians in a country most people can’t find on a map US must help them chemical attack” bullshit

Absolutely. Everyone tries to find the real reason, which is why we're still hearing about the outdated "no blood for oil" meme from even the most low-information average proles.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Was showed videos of russian jet flying with anti-ship missiles, but due bases in Cyprus, RAF (Royal Air Force) is doing air patrol to protect american fleet.
https://militaryedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/KH-31P_SU-30.jpg

[Dick]

Absolutely. Everyone tries to find the real reason, which is why we're still hearing about the outdated "no blood for oil" meme from even the most low-information average proles.

Nobody cared about the black on black genocide in Rwanda where a million people were slaughtered or white genocide in South Africa today. Maybe if Israel was situated in Africa or if they had oil

[Sacrificed Ram]

I think Israel tested in its last attack if russians were capable to counterstrike, they saw that not, then they felt secure to attack.

[Jägerstaffel]

Wait.

I just saw that we fucking bombed Syria again.

Fuck Trump.

Fuck this one-term lying president. He said we wouldn't be doing this shit again. Hope he enjoys impeachment.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21RyTTFIHxs

"The Army of Islam, one of the groups the U.S. listed as moderate, kidnapped men, women and children. They put them in cages, and paraded them around the city of Douma, saying that if Assad bombs the rebels, the hostages would die. They were literally using them as human shields. A few weeks ago, they released footage of these hostages, walking through an underground tunnel in Douma (injured and distressed) ... The war continued, and it looked like the Army of Islam was about to surrender, but suddenly they stole negotiations, and rained hundreds of missiles down on Damascus ... This is when the false flag attack happened. You see, it was obvious that the people, the children that were killed in the gas attack were the hostages that the rebels had kidnapped."

-- Quoted from Syrian Girl.

[KMack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21RyTTFIHxs

"The Army of Islam, on of the groups the U.S. listed as moderate, kidnapped men, women and children. They put them in cages, and paraded them around the city of Douma, saying that if Assad bombs the rebels, the hostages would die. They were literally using them as human shields. A few weeks ago, they released footage of these hostages, walking through an underground tunnel in Douma (injured and distressed) ... The war continued, and it looked like the Army of Islam was about to surrender, but suddenly they stole negotiations, and rained hundreds of missiles down on Damascus ... This is when the false flag attack happened. You see, it was obvious that the people, the children that were killed in the gas attack were the hostages that the rebels had kidnapped."

Bishop you posted this before. You need more.

[Sacrificed Ram]

USA-UK-FRANCE forces are already in retirement...

[Armenian Bishop]

Bishop you posted this before. You need more.

This is a different thread, and i think it's quite enough information to pose doubt upon the official versions of NATO and the USA. So, I thought it was worth bumping for more people to see.

[zhaoyun]

Suspicious timing considering that Russia reported that they were concerned that there was going to be a false flag in Syria about a chemical attack BEFORE IT HAPPENED (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802261061989044-syria-ghouta-militants-chemical-provocation/), then Trump tweets that he wants to get us out of Syria and then - surprise surprise - there's a chemical attack in Ghouta just where the false flag attack was said to be planned. Suddenly all the neo-cons are excited at the prospect of flexing the military industrial complex muscles again.

Fuck this. Fuck Syria. Assad was winning and that's the best possible position for the US. The rightful government of Syria defeats ISIS, we get the hell out and leave them to their own devices.

Absolutely. Agreed 100%.

I wouldn't worry too much yet though. Last year, he ordered strikes, and they were for show. Mattis, who is very wise, has been strongly restraining the neocons. I think these strikes are for internal consumption. There is no sign of deeper involvement. I reckon these strikes are primarily for show and we will continue to withdraw afterwards.

If boots hit the ground, it'll be a different game. But until then, I wouldn't worry too much. This is all politicking at play.

[KMack]

This is a different thread, and i think it's quite enough information to pose doubt upon the official versions of NATO and the USA. So, I thought it was worth bumping for more people to see.

Post all and anything. Russia says Britain staged the chem attack lol. That is a lie. Just remember Assad arrested, tortured and killed kids who was doing anti government graffiti. A Chem attack is not out of the realm.

[Armenian Bishop]

Absolutely. Agreed 100%.

I wouldn't worry too much yet though. Last year, he ordered strikes, and they were for show. Mattis, who is very wise, has been strongly restraining the neocons. I think these strikes are for internal consumption. There is no sign of deeper involvement. I reckon these strikes are primarily for show and we will continue to withdraw afterwards.

If boots hit the ground, it'll be a different game. But until then, I wouldn't worry too much. This is all politicking at play.

It's politicking at the expense of human lives. It reveals yet another dimension of corruptive influence upon American Foreign Policy; and, the rot goes all the way up to Trump, and the White House. Trump is out of his business world element, and he looks amateurish.

[zhaoyun]

It's politicking at the expense of human lives. It reveals yet another dimension of corruptive influence upon American Foreign Policy; and, the rot goes all the way up to Trump, and the White House. Trump is out of his business world element, and he looks amateurish.

What's new. There is a lot of corruption in Washington.

[zhaoyun]

Post all and anything. Russia says Britain staged the chem attack lol. That is a lie. Just remember Assad arrested, tortured and killed kids who was doing anti government graffiti. A Chem attack is not out of the realm.

Whatever will replace Assad will be an Islamist terrorist extremist government. So if Assad was killing terrorists, that's fine by me.

And honestly, Assad can be genociding half of his country and I wouldn't care. It's not our war. We have wasted enough trillions in the Middle East. We spent six trillion in Iraq. When does it stop? We could've used that money to build a national high speed rail network, reinvigorate our industrial heartland and refurbish all of our ports, highways, airports many times over.

[zhaoyun]

Calm down guys, this was just a one time shot just like last year
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/defense-secretary-mattis-trump-ordered-strikes-to-destroy-syrian-chemical-weapons-infrastructure.html

[Dick]

Whatever will replace Assad will be an Islamist terrorist extremist government. So if Assad was killing terrorists, that's fine by me.

And honestly, Assad can be genociding half of his country and I wouldn't care. It's not our war. We have wasted enough trillions in the Middle East. We spent six trillion in Iraq. When does it stop? We could've used that money to build a national high speed rail network, reinvigorate our industrial heartland and refurbish all of our ports, highways, airports many times over.

It’ll stop when all the black gold is depleted in the mid east

[Armenian Bishop]

Post all and anything. Russia says Britain staged the chem attack lol. That is a lie. Just remember Assad arrested, tortured and killed kids who was doing anti government graffiti. A Chem attack is not out of the realm.

You seem eager to believe the mainstream White House version. I saw that same mentality after the fake claims of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), in Iraq, in 2003. People had Saddam Hussein's Face on dartboards. I'd like to know why the White House rushed into this aggression so hurriedly?

As for Syrian Girl, she comes from a family that had problems with the Assad Regime, yet she still endorses him, as the better choice for Syria.

[KMack]

You seem eager to believe the mainstream White House version. I saw that same mentality after the fake claims of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in Iraq, in 2003. People had Saddam Hussein's Face on dartboards. I'd like to know why the White House rushed into this aggression so hurriedly?

As for Syrian Girl, she comes from a family that had problems with the Assad Regime, yet she still endorses him, as the better choice for Syria.

There is no military occupation LOL. I am waiting for the Russian Minister of Defense to release the proof that the British were behind the last chem false flag. He backed himself into a corner. I am sure Russia will disclose their "proof".

[Dick]

You seem eager to believe the mainstream White House version. I saw that same mentality after the fake claims of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), in Iraq, in 2003. People had Saddam Hussein's Face on dartboards. I'd like to know why the White House rushed into this aggression so hurriedly?

As for Syrian Girl, she comes from a family that had problems with the Assad Regime, yet she still endorses him, as the better choice for Syria.
Fake claims are a western specialty