Genetic map of Montenegro

[Morlak]

This was made according to 156 examples from Serbian DNA Project.
http://i.imgur.com/0Cfnh5z.jpg

[Morlak]

Another map also from Serbian DNA Project
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Crna_Gora_-_Genetsko_poreklo_stanovnistva_1914_1.png

[Bornoz]

Please don't use imgur. Tayyip baba doesn't let me use it.

[Morlak]

Please don't use imgur. Tayyip baba doesn't let me use it.

Why the hell would he ban imgur lol? Someone dared to post something bad about Sultan Erdogan?

anyway here is the map
https://image.ibb.co/n7MGK7/0Cfnh5z.jpg

[Bornoz]

Why the hell would he ban imgur lol? Someone dared to post something bad about Sultan Erdogan?

anyway here is the map
https://image.ibb.co/n7MGK7/0Cfnh5z.jpg

Don't know..

Anyways thx

[Bobby Martnen]

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[Bornoz]

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Thanks buddy. I have vpn but it makes my internet slower so I delete it when I finish my job.

[Robocop]

This was made according to 156 examples from Serbian DNA Project.
http://i.imgur.com/0Cfnh5z.jpg

Surprising thing to me on this map is somewhat "high" presence of N, and presence of J1 at all.

[Morlak]

Surprising thing to me on this map is somewhat "high" presence of N, and presence of J1 at all.

Well there is only one example of J1 so its kinda irrelevant. N also surprised me too.

[Robocop]

Well there is only one example of J1 so its kinda irrelevant. N also surprised me too.

It's not irrelevant, we should search and destroy that one with J1 :D

[Kamal900]

It's not irrelevant, we should search and destroy that one with J1 :D

You broke my heart man :(

[Robocop]

You broke my heart man :(

It was just a joke man..., honestly :).

[Mikula]

This was made according to 156 examples from Serbian DNA Project.
http://i.imgur.com/0Cfnh5z.jpg

What is location of the small area with the R1a cluster, please?

[Morlak]

What is location of the small area with the R1a cluster, please?

Its mostly Northern Cetinje area and small part of Podgorica area according to this map.

[Kelmendasi]

The first map looks meh, the second is better. Rozaje is mostly E-V13 with some R1b and J2b2 as shown by the second map whilst the first one shows it as mainly I2a.

[Bosniensis]

Montenegro is really mixed with various peoples.

We can confirm that J2a are those who were brought by Diocletian.

On exact location (Picture 1) where J2a is located Diocletian populated those region with people from Rome, I believe that region is near Podgorica, ancient city of Dioclea.

Another thing interesting is R1a... it's focused on that certain spot... It's a place where Slavs settled after arrival.

Since Celts and Thracians shared I haplogroup, those are native.

R1b are Germanic invaders (Franks, Saxons..etc..) and other non-Europeans.

[Voskos]

Montenegro is really mixed with various peoples.

Like Brazil?

[Aspar]

Montenegro is really mixed with various peoples.

We can confirm that J2a are those who were brought by Diocletian.

On exact location (Picture 1) where J2a is located Diocletian populated those region with people from Rome, I believe that region is near Podgorica, ancient city of Dioclea.

Another thing interesting is R1a... it's focused on that certain spot... It's a place where Slavs settled after arrival.

Since Celts and Thracians shared I haplogroup, those are native.

R1b are Germanic invaders (Franks, Saxons..etc..) and other non-Europeans.

R1b in Montenegro is different than the Germanic one.
It's L23 and is found mostly in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans.

https://s9.postimg.cc/79zc1twtb/Haplogroup-_R1b-_L23.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Mikula]

Its mostly Northern Cetinje area and small part of Podgorica area according to this map.

Home of following clans (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje_(pleme))?

[Morlak]

Home of following clans (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje_(pleme))?

Probably though this Cetinje tribe is very diverse considering it is made of couple of branches. I have read now from Serbian DNA Project that R1a is mostly common in tribes of Piperi and in some branches of Vasojevic tribe. It is also located in Northern Montenegro around Berane city.

[Kelmendasi]

R1b in Montenegro is different than the Germanic one.
It's L23 and is found mostly in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans.

[rl=https://postimages.org/][im]https://s9.postimg.cc/79zc1twtb/Haplogroup-_R1b-_L23.gif[/img][/url]
The vast majority of it also belongs to R1b>BY611 below L23, which in them is linked to Albanians and clans which have Albanian origin.

[Dick]

Home of following clans (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje_(pleme))?

https://www.in4s.net/genetska-slika-crne/?lang=lat

[Kelmendasi]

Probably though this Cetinje tribe is very diverse considering it is made of couple of branches. I have read now from Serbian DNA Project that R1a is mostly common in tribes of Piperi and in some branches of Vasojevic tribe. It is also located in Northern Montenegro around Berane city.
Isn't Piperi mainly R1b-BY611 or is that just a branch? Iirc the majority were R1b. R1a is also found in some Kuqi clansmen

[Morlak]

Isn't Piperi mainly R1b-BY611 or is that just a branch? Iirc the majority were R1b. R1a is also found in some Kuqi clansmen

Yes, you are right in Piperi the most common is R1b but in some cases they found also r1a.

[cosmoo]

This was made according to 156 examples from Serbian DNA Project.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0Cfnh5z.jpg[/IMG

An utterly bad map, to be honest. It really shows the most characteristic/unusual haplogroup by certain region, not the most common one. Pljevlja (marked in dark green - J2b1) still has an I2a1b majority, Podgorica (marked as E1b) still has an I2a1b majority, and plenty of other places do so as well.

[cosmoo]

R1b in Montenegro is different than the Germanic one.
It's L23 and is found mostly in Armenia, Anatolia and the Balkans.

The most common one is actually U152 (Morača clan). There is one clan with L23 (Piperi), but it is nowhere near as large as the U152 one, and there are several smaller clans and brotherhoods which bear U106.

L23 is Yamnayan, U152 is Bell Beaker, U106 is (mostly) Corded Ware.

[Kelmendasi]

The most common one is actually U152 (Morača clan). There is one clan with L23 (Piperi), but it is nowhere near as large as the U152 one, and there are several smaller clans and brotherhoods which bear U106.

L23 is Yamnayan, U152 is Bell Beaker, U106 is (mostly) Corded Ware.
Really? Z2103 seems to be the most common R1b clade in the Serbian DNA project but idk how many are from Montenegro. R1b-U152 maps show that there is a very low percentage of it in the Balkans but the accuracy of these maps can be questionable

[cosmoo]

Really? Z2103 seems to be the most common R1b clade in the Serbian DNA project but idk how many are from Montenegro.
Z2013 is indeed very common among Montenegrin R1b's. The reason I brought up U152 is our largest R1b clan being U152.

R1b-U152 maps show that there is a very low percentage of it in the Balkans but the accuracy of these maps can be questionable
It was not even known until recent SNP testings. And those maps (especially those by Maciamo of Eupedia) are often wrong about much bigger territories, overlooking a land as small as Montenegro should not come as any surprise.

[Kelmendasi]

Z2013 is indeed very common among Montenegrin R1b's. The reason I brought up U152 is our largest R1b clan being U152.

It was not even known until recent SNP testings. And those maps (especially those by Maciamo of Eupedia) are often wrong about much bigger territories, overlooking a land as small as Montenegro should not come as any surprise.
Interesting, would this R1b-U152 be due to Roman/Vlach input? Yh the maps made do have many errors

[cosmoo]

Interesting, would this R1b-U152 be due to Roman/Vlach input? Yh the maps made do have many errors

I am not sure of its origins, given that it seems to be negative to all the most common clades downstream of U152.

[IncelSlayer]

Montenegro is really mixed with various peoples.

We can confirm that J2a are those who were brought by Diocletian.

On exact location (Picture 1) where J2a is located Diocletian populated those region with people from Rome, I believe that region is near Podgorica, ancient city of Dioclea.

Another thing interesting is R1a... it's focused on that certain spot... It's a place where Slavs settled after arrival.

Since Celts and Thracians shared I haplogroup, those are native.

R1b are Germanic invaders (Franks, Saxons..etc..) and other non-Europeans.

We cannot exclude the theory where those J2a people are actually the direct descendents of Diocletian, or other serbian Roman Emperor, like Constantine the great since its a single subclade.