What European phenotype/sub-race came from the Caucasus Hunter Gatherers?

[JQP4545]

The areas of Europe with the most DNA from Yamnaya tend to be dominated by tall, blonde haired blue eyes individuals, yet almost half of the DNA from Yamnaya came from the Caucasus where these features are rare. Which European phenotype came from the Caucasus Hunter Gatherers?

[UltraCaucasian]

Dinarids, Armenoids and Alpinoids i think, or Armenid is Neolithic?

[Immanenz]

Any metrical data on them? Lately there was a half Georgian half Pontic Greek with a very low Ci and protruding occiput which would mock most Corded/ AtlantoMed/ North Atlantids etc. So not necessarly only Taurid/ Cms, but propably also doli types

[SamuelPomper]

Any metrical data on them? Lately there was a half Georgian half Pontic Greek with a very low Ci and protruding occiput which would mock most Corded/ AtlantoMed/ North Atlantids etc. So not necessarly only Fibarics/ Cms, but propably also doli types

what are fibarics?

[Token]

Any metrical data on them? Lately there was a half Georgian half Pontic Greek with a very low Ci and protruding occiput which would mock most Corded/ AtlantoMed/ North Atlantids etc. So not necessarly only Fibarics/ Cms, but propably also doli types
None of the CHG specimens tested have complete skulls. This is the CHG specimen from Satsurblia cave.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/10270/production/_86706166_86706165.jpg

Observe in the preserved part of the mandible how the gonion and the gnathion (the lowest point of the mandible) are more or less in the same plane and how the gonial angle projects outwards. The mandibular ramus is tall and curved, which maximizes the power stroke in the anterior teeth. The individual clearly had a red meat-rich diet, and the mandible was quite robust. Compare to this Linearbandkeramik skull mandible and you can clearly see the consequences of a shitty grain-rich, meat-poor diet which is the norm in western societies nowadays. Healthy masticatory habits is what distinguishes a alpha male from a beta male. The CHG guy was a Chad.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zdenek_Tvrdy/publication/325192925/figure/fig46/AS:631573204459535@1527590194284/Nitra-No-72-65-Frontal-lateral-and-occipital-view-of-the-skull-of-a-20-30-year-old.png

[user_]

The areas of Europe with the most DNA from Yamnaya tend to be dominated by tall, blonde haired blue eyes individuals, yet almost half of the DNA from Yamnaya came from the Caucasus where these features are rare. Which European phenotype came from the Caucasus Hunter Gatherers?

Light features are not rare among native Caucasians. It's rare among Azeris and Armenians.
This map shows percentage of the light eyes among Caucasians, it correlates with CHG.

https://i.ibb.co/ZVbWVcH/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/g3cz3tv)

[RatCat]

Any metrical data on them? Lately there was a half Georgian half Pontic Greek with a very low Ci and protruding occiput which would mock most Corded/ AtlantoMed/ North Atlantids etc. So not necessarly only Taurid/ Cms, but propably also doli types

If you are talking about me I'm genetically half Circassian not Georgian xd

[Immanenz]

If you are talking about me I'm genetically half Circassian not Georgian xd

alright sorry, but this area has a lot of CHG anyway.
btw I m however not convinced that they were light pigmented, (more EHG/WHG trait) as OP has mentioned it.

[FinalFlash]

Light features are not rare among native Caucasians. It's rare among Azeris and Armenians.
This map shows percentage of the light eyes among Caucasians, it correlates with CHG.

https://i.ibb.co/ZVbWVcH/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/g3cz3tv)

Light hair and eyes are uncommon among all ethnic groups in the region, not just Azeris or Armenians. Sorry but I've seen enough Georgians in my life to conclude that the overwhelming majority are dark-haired and dark-eyed. Unless you consider standard brown hair as light.

[RatCat]

alright sorry, but this area has a lot of CHG anyway.
btw I m however not convinced that they were light pigmented, (more EHG/WHG trait) as OP has mentioned it.

Np my friend, They dont look "that" different from each other anyway. Still CHG dominant, only Circassians have little more steppe admixture.

I have something like that but dont know how accurate.

Yamnaya: Pit Grave
https://i.imgur.com/vmjoWFY.png

After mixing with native Europeans:
https://i.imgur.com/ocTxtdw.png

[Dr_Maul]

alright sorry, but this area has a lot of CHG anyway.
btw I m however not convinced that they were light pigmented, (more EHG/WHG trait) as OP has mentioned it.

I thought they tested positive for light hair/eyes genes, but I am not sure

[Lobster]

Light features are not rare among native Caucasians. It's rare among Azeris and Armenians.
This map shows percentage of the light eyes among Caucasians, it correlates with CHG.

https://i.ibb.co/ZVbWVcH/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/g3cz3tv)

Sorry, but CHG were dark Caucasoid chads. In my opinion Armenians are lighter than Georgians. Not sure about Azeris. Armenians are Indo-Europeans (light) mixed with Mesopotamians (swarthy). BTW no bad feeling, at least Georgians are better looking.

[catgeorge]

Perfect mix of Yamnaya and Iranids

[Frowning Man]

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[Frowning Man]

In my opinion Armenians are lighter than Georgians.
Lol. Absolutely not. In any anthropological study, they(armenians) are darker in terms of pigmentation.

[ugochaves]

Sorry, but CHG were dark Caucasoid chads. In my opinion Armenians are lighter than Georgians. Not sure about Azeris. Armenians are Indo-Europeans (light) mixed with Mesopotamians (swarthy). BTW no bad feeling, at least Georgians are better looking.
1. Armenians have almost no Indo-European genes.
2. Armenians are much darker than Georgians.

[chinshen]

Sorry, but CHG were dark Caucasoid chads. In my opinion Armenians are lighter than Georgians. Not sure about Azeris. Armenians are Indo-Europeans (light) mixed with Mesopotamians (swarthy). BTW no bad feeling, at least Georgians are better looking.

Go ahead and blame Armenian swarthiness on Mesopotamians :cool:

Armenians did not intermixed much with Mesopotamians if at all.
By the way, I don't think Armenians are lighter than Georgians. Actually, it is the other way around.

[Frowning Man]

Light features are not rare among native Caucasians. It's rare among Azeris and Armenians.
This map shows percentage of the light eyes among Caucasians, it correlates with CHG.

https://i.ibb.co/ZVbWVcH/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/g3cz3tv)

It seems to me that the people of the Caucasus region have a different reason for depigmentation. Georgians have the most depigmented - these are the groups with the highest% CHG in Georgia and in the entire Caucasus region and the smallest% of the north (highlanders with a high% CHG are an exception - they are darker) - these are Megrelia, Imeretia, Guria, the north of Adjara - the Colchis lowland (the most forested , swampy and rainy part of the Caucasus region). I also proceed from anthropological research.

Among the North Caucasians, the highest depigmentation figures were shown by the highlanders of Dagestan (they have the highest% of the steppe).

[ugochaves]

Dinarid. Alpine phenotype from EEF.

[Lobster]

Go ahead and blame Armenian swarthiness on Mesopotamians :cool:

Armenians did not intermixed much with Mesopotamians if at all.
By the way, I don't think Armenians are lighter than Georgians. Actually, it is the other way around.

They mixed with Assyrians a lot. Both ancient and modern ones.

[Lobster]

1. Armenians have almost no Indo-European genes.
2. Armenians are much darker than Georgians.

Ancient Hittites had 14% Steppe, I guess Armenians have similar % of Steppe ancestry.

[chinshen]

They mixed with Assyrians a lot. Both ancient and modern ones.

Armenians did not mix with Assyrians on a large scale, you can ask the Armenian members on TA to confirm.
The few that did mix are mainly Assyrians from Iran's North West Urmia region.
Assyrians form Urmia constitute a small percentage of overall Assyrian population, so if 5%, 10% or even 20% did mix which is very unlikely, it will still not have that much affect on the Armenian population.

[Avicenna]

Light hair and eyes are uncommon among all ethnic groups in the region, not just Azeris or Armenians. Sorry but I've seen enough Georgians in my life to conclude that the overwhelming majority are dark-haired and dark-eyed. Unless you consider standard brown hair as light.

I don't know about that, my brother is currently living in Georgia and he told me blue eyes were quite common among them .

[FinalFlash]

Armenians did not mix with Assyrians on a large scale, you can ask the Armenian members on TA to confirm.
The few that did mix are mainly Assyrians from Iran's North West Urmia region.
Assyrians form Urmia constitute a small percentage of overall Assyrian population, so if 5%, 10% or even 20% did mix which is very unlikely, it will still not have that much affect on the Armenian population.

You'll get used to the ignorant nonsense that's routinely being spewed around here.

[chinshen]

You'll get used to the ignorant nonsense that's routinely being spewed around here.

I don't understand why some people make really stupid statements without any proof/data to backup their claim, but they always try to pass them as facts and it gets repeated over and over by other as nothing but the truth.

[FinalFlash]

I don't understand why some people make really stupid statements without any proof/data to backup their claim, but they always try to pass them as facts and it gets repeated over and over by other as nothing but the truth.

They're just looking for a reaction. If they were really interested in genetics then their approach to these subjects would indicate that.

[chinshen]

They're just looking for a reaction. If they were really interested in genetics then their approach to these subjects would indicate that.

That, or they have certain agenda in mind.
I was sure the poster is not an ethnic Armenian so how the hell does he know what he just claimed.

[Frowning Man]

Light features are not rare among native Caucasians. It's rare among Azeris and Armenians.
This map shows percentage of the light eyes among Caucasians, it correlates with CHG.

https://i.ibb.co/ZVbWVcH/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/g3cz3tv)

% of light (blue and gray) eyes in different regions of Georgia. The figures are taken from the anthropological studies of Abdushelishvili and Javakhishvili.
Greens and other mixed shades are not included in the figures given on the map.
As can be seen, the more mono-ethnic west, where almost only Georgians live, has a higher percentage.
The southeast and the east in general, which is very multinational, where many Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Chechens, Ossetians, Kurds and others live, have a much lower percentage.
https://sun9-56.userapi.com/impg/W5LY1g9j2iZ7wx3EUptxocJJxr9WMROe8t7euw/8IqM-KIfO-M.jpg?size=1200x822&quality=95&sign=417153e33db9b4281ed4375b121d1b3e&type=album