A population genomic history of the Eurasian steppe

[Leto]

A new paper on Eurasia is coming out soon


Description

The Eurasian steppe, stretching about 8000 kilometres from Hungary and Romania in the west to Mongolia and western China in the east, is culturally among the most dynamic areas in the world. In the past four millennia, it has been variously dominated by Iranian-, Turkic- and Mongolic-speaking groups, and its temperate grasslands have been a crossroad for extensive movements of peoples, goods, and ideas between Europe, Siberia, South and East Asia. In order to understand the genetic history of the Eurasian steppe populations, we have sequenced 137 ancient genomes (~1X average coverage) spanning a 4000 years time series. We also genotyped 502 individuals from 16 contemporary self-reported ethnicities. We find evidence of a highly dynamic population history; the Iranian-speaking Scythians that dominated the Eurasian steppe throughout the Iron Age (~1 millennium BCE to common era) emerged following admixture between Late Bronze Age herders of western Eurasian descent and East Asian hunter-gatherers. The steppe nomads later further admixed with Turkic-speaking groups of East Asian ancestry that spread westward across the steppe in multiple waves: firstly, the Xiongnu confederations that emerged in Mongolia around the 3nd/2nd century BC; secondly, the Huns (4-5th century CE), infected with plague basal to the Justinian Y. pestis strain that destabilized the eastern Roman Empire in the 6th century CE; and thirdly during various short term dynasties, including the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan and his descendants. These recent historical events transformed the Eurasian steppe populations from being Indo-European speakers of largely western Eurasian ancestry to the present-day Turkic-speaking groups, primarily of East Asian ancestry.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20658

[de Burgh II]

Interesting! :P

Basically the central Steppe is a melting pot in varying percentages between Western and Eastern Eurasian ancestry. I always found it interesting that back in ancient times that some of these peoples had "Northern" affinities with Bronze Age Eastern and Central Europeans that basically got diluted by native Neolithic, Near-Eastern cultures and East-Asian ancestry.

Whereas Indo-European Steppe ancestry is best preserved within Eastern/Northeastern Europeans with negligent Neolithic admixture whom are the progenitors of this ancestry in a modern sense.

[Leto]

Interesting! :P

Basically the central Steppe is a melting pot in varying percentages between Western and Eastern Eurasian ancestry. I always found it interesting that back in ancient times that some of these peoples had "Northern" affinities with Bronze Age Eastern and Central Europeans that basically got diluted by native Neolithic, Near-Eastern cultures and East-Asian ancestry.

Whereas Indo-European Steppe ancestry is best preserved within Eastern/Northeastern Europeans with negligent Neolithic admixture whom are the progenitors of this ancestry in a modern sense.
Two Steppe samples from the recent BMAC paper excavated in the Farghana Valley, Uzbekistan and dated 1200-1000 BC undoubtedly show that they were white

Kashkarchi_BA (1200-1000 BC)
mtDNA: U5b2b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit Z669441

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.39
2 North_Atlantic 35.93
3 West_Asian 17.85
4 South_Asian 4.85
5 Amerindian 3.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 17.15
2 North_Swedish 17.36
3 Southwest_Finnish 17.7
4 Polish 17.73
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.98
7 Russian_Smolensk 18.75
8 Ukrainian 18.75
9 Hungarian 18.78
10 East_German 18.83
11 Southwest_Russian 18.87
12 Finnish 18.9
13 Swedish 19.24
14 North_German 19.64
15 Austrian 19.67
16 Belorussian 19.76
17 Estonian 19.77
18 Croatian 19.92
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.11
20 Estonian_Polish 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Southwest_Finnish + 28.6% Tabassaran @ 9.74
2 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Balochi @ 10.1
3 79.8% Southwest_Finnish + 20.2% Brahui @ 10.27
4 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 10.36
5 73.3% Southwest_Finnish + 26.7% Lezgin @ 10.49
6 77.2% Southwest_Finnish + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.63
7 70.3% Finnish + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 10.83
8 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Lezgin @ 10.85
9 73.7% Southwest_Finnish + 26.3% Chechen @ 10.86
10 78% North_Swedish + 22% Kalash @ 10.87
11 80% Southwest_Finnish + 20% Makrani @ 10.88
12 75.3% Southwest_Finnish + 24.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.88
13 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Balochi @ 10.95
14 69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Tabassaran @ 11.05
15 81% North_Swedish + 19% Brahui @ 11.08
16 74.6% North_Swedish + 25.4% Chechen @ 11.18
17 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Balochi @ 11.34
18 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.34
19 79.1% Finnish + 20.9% Brahui @ 11.53
20 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Makrani @ 11.62

https://eurogenes.blogspot.ru/2018/04/on-doorstep-of-india.html

Too bad Lukasz or anyone else won't upload the other one :(

[de Burgh II]

Two Steppe samples from the recent BMAC paper excavated in the Farghana Valley, Uzbekistan and dated 1200-1000 BC undoubtedly show that they were white

Kashkarchi_BA (1200-1000 BC)
mtDNA: U5b2b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit Z669441

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.39
2 North_Atlantic 35.93
3 West_Asian 17.85
4 South_Asian 4.85
5 Amerindian 3.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 17.15
2 North_Swedish 17.36
3 Southwest_Finnish 17.7
4 Polish 17.73
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.98
7 Russian_Smolensk 18.75
8 Ukrainian 18.75
9 Hungarian 18.78
10 East_German 18.83
11 Southwest_Russian 18.87
12 Finnish 18.9
13 Swedish 19.24
14 North_German 19.64
15 Austrian 19.67
16 Belorussian 19.76
17 Estonian 19.77
18 Croatian 19.92
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.11
20 Estonian_Polish 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Southwest_Finnish + 28.6% Tabassaran @ 9.74
2 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Balochi @ 10.1
3 79.8% Southwest_Finnish + 20.2% Brahui @ 10.27
4 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 10.36
5 73.3% Southwest_Finnish + 26.7% Lezgin @ 10.49
6 77.2% Southwest_Finnish + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.63
7 70.3% Finnish + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 10.83
8 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Lezgin @ 10.85
9 73.7% Southwest_Finnish + 26.3% Chechen @ 10.86
10 78% North_Swedish + 22% Kalash @ 10.87
11 80% Southwest_Finnish + 20% Makrani @ 10.88
12 75.3% Southwest_Finnish + 24.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.88
13 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Balochi @ 10.95
14 69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Tabassaran @ 11.05
15 81% North_Swedish + 19% Brahui @ 11.08
16 74.6% North_Swedish + 25.4% Chechen @ 11.18
17 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Balochi @ 11.34
18 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.34
19 79.1% Finnish + 20.9% Brahui @ 11.53
20 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Makrani @ 11.62

https://eurogenes.blogspot.ru/2018/04/on-doorstep-of-india.html

Too bad Lukasz or anyone else won't upload the other one :(

Interesting! Basically this Steppic sample is basically West Eurasian with a strong Northeastern/Northern European admixture with some Eastern Iranic/Caucasian/CHG shift. Assuming they are Indo-Iranian samples showing strong affinities to its Steppic roots before their gene pool shifted with the native Neolithic, BMAC culture.

I was wondering if you had Andronovo Culture samples? It would be very interesting to compare this with Corded Ware and Bell Beaker samples.

[Leto]

Interesting! Basically this Steppic sample is basically West Eurasian with a strong Northeastern/Northern European admixture with some Eastern Iranic/Caucasian/CHG shift. Assuming they are Indo-Iranian samples showing strong affinities to its Steppic roots before their gene pool shifted with the native Neolithic, BMAC culture.

I was wondering if you had Andronovo Culture samples? It would be very interesting to compare this with Corded Ware and Bell Beaker samples.
I have only one Andronovo kit number

Z370558 AndronovoRise505_Imputed

181335 SNPs used in this evaluation
A high-quality sample :thumb001:

[de Burgh II]

Andronovo:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.73
2 North_Atlantic 35.20
3 West_Asian 16.80
4 South_Asian 5.87
5 Amerindian 2.85
6 Siberian 1.55


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 18.365749
2 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.887966
3 North_Swedish @ 19.105627
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.124578
5 Polish @ 19.142122
6 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.326345
7 Finnish @ 19.795336
8 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.146370
9 Ukrainian @ 20.216717
10 Southwest_Russian @ 20.295446
11 East_German @ 20.750725
12 Hungarian @ 20.769384
13 Kargopol_Russian @ 21.059944
14 Estonian @ 21.276110
15 Belorussian @ 21.288015
16 Estonian_Polish @ 21.734333
17 Austrian @ 21.799326
18 Swedish @ 21.829067
19 Croatian @ 21.856632
20 East_Finnish @ 22.022074

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Erzya +50% North_German @ 14.136914


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +25% Swedish +25% Tabassaran @ 9.031569


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Finnish + Finnish + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.031569
2 Estonian + Finnish + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.037561
3 Estonian + La_Brana-1 + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.043009
4 Estonian + Finnish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.084425
5 Finnish + Finnish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.131094
6 Estonian + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.137886
7 La_Brana-1 + Lithuanian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.147686
8 Estonian + Finnish + Kalash + Norwegian @ 9.148411
9 Finnish + Finnish + Kalash + Norwegian @ 9.154103
10 La_Brana-1 + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.154398
11 Estonian + La_Brana-1 + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.174145
12 Estonian + Kalash + La_Brana-1 + Norwegian @ 9.185677
13 Finnish + La_Brana-1 + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.189874
14 Finnish + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.210514
15 Estonian + Estonian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.213546
16 Estonian + Estonian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.221117
17 Finnish + Finnish + Kalash + Swedish @ 9.223920
18 Finnish + La_Brana-1 + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.226901
19 Finnish + Finnish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.229898
20 Estonian + Kalash + La_Brana-1 + Swedish @ 9.230177

M191719 RISE431 Corded Ware Proto-Unetice Poland [2286-2048 BC] Y-DNA:R1a-M417 MTDNA:T2e:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.62
2 Baltic 33.93
3 West_Med 9.79
4 Red_Sea 1.43
5 Sub-Saharan 1.22


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish @ 8.174732
2 Norwegian @ 8.520746
3 North_Dutch @ 10.727143
4 Danish @ 10.896549
5 North_Swedish @ 10.977363
6 Orcadian @ 11.829145
7 Irish @ 12.360736
8 West_Scottish @ 12.504144
9 North_German @ 12.547576
10 Southeast_English @ 13.852780
11 Southwest_English @ 14.317671
12 South_Dutch @ 18.642643
13 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.008375
14 East_German @ 19.328703
15 West_German @ 19.744762
16 Austrian @ 20.752892
17 La_Brana-1 @ 24.581285
18 French @ 24.940758
19 Hungarian @ 25.049751
20 Finnish @ 25.468044

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% Norwegian @ 8.110586


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 8.031399


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 7.843028
2 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 7.898647
3 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 8.031399
4 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 8.066720
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 8.092470
6 Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 8.097395
7 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 8.108970
8 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 8.110586
9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 8.128528
10 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 8.133122
11 North_Swedish + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 8.144177
12 Swedish + Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 8.174732
13 Irish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 8.203065
14 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 8.229343
15 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 8.243674
16 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 8.244390
17 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.248441
18 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 8.248555
19 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 8.255776
20 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 8.256476

M324645 (I0112 BellBeaker):
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.12
2 Baltic 31.99
3 West_Med 14.13
4 West_Asian 4.11


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish @ 5.508568
2 Norwegian @ 6.280423
3 North_Dutch @ 7.515471
4 Danish @ 7.919177
5 North_German @ 8.350185
6 Orcadian @ 8.562937
7 Irish @ 9.224514
8 North_Swedish @ 10.049243
9 West_Scottish @ 10.094963
10 Southeast_English @ 10.277938
11 Southwest_English @ 10.828895
12 South_Dutch @ 13.439438
13 East_German @ 13.691823
14 West_German @ 14.495255
15 Austrian @ 15.075227
16 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.104300
17 French @ 19.959391
18 Hungarian @ 20.001562
19 South_Polish @ 22.318420
20 Polish @ 23.747272

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% Southwest_English @ 5.077828


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Lithuanian +25% Southwest_English @ 4.591287


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Estonian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.214411
2 Estonian + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.247932
3 Estonian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 4.258508
4 Estonian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.275121
5 Estonian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.298523
6 Estonian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.324063
7 Estonian + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.361697
8 Estonian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.386773
9 Estonian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.396140
10 Estonian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.397142
11 Estonian + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 4.424541
12 Lithuanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.435778
13 Estonian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.446476
14 Lithuanian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.450916
15 Estonian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 4.479756
16 Estonian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.490670
17 Estonian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.500418
18 Irish + Lithuanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.501766
19 Estonian + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.515812
20 Irish + Lithuanian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.516469

These results show that during the Bronze Age that all these groups such as Indo-Iranians, Balts, Celts, Slavs, Germanics, etc. before their prominent dispersals had a common origin in the Steppes before they mixed with other peoples when they brought Indo-European/Iranic languages, customs and ways of life with them that become an indisputable success worldwide that lives on today that makes them very influential peoples in that respect.

[Aren]

I think Bell Beakers originated in the western part of Corded Ware, they probably broke off early and headed West. There are still several areas of the Corded Ware that are unsampled, and might have R1b-L11. Like around the southwestern Baltic coast. Add to that the R1b-U106 sample from CWC/Battle Axe Sweden and it makes sense.

[Leto]

The best Beaker samples are basically modern Northwestern Europeans. i think most Europeans have remained roughly the same since the Bronze Age i.e. for over 4,000 years.

[Hevo]

Here is a list of Y-haplogroups from these Steppe dudes:




Sample YFull tree
DA101 R-YP1548 R-YP1548
DA105 Q-L715 Q-L715
DA106 C-Y12825 C-Y12825
DA111 R-P312 R-P312
DA117 G-Z6553 G-Z6553
DA119 R-U106 R-U106
DA124 J-PF4993 J-PF4993
DA125 T-Y13280 T-Y13280
DA126 R-CTS6 R-CTS6
DA127 Q-YP4500 Q-YP4500
DA129 R-Z2124 R-Z2124
DA13 R-Z94 R-Z94
DA134 R-Y52 R-Y52
DA141 Q-YP771 Q-YP771
DA142 R-Z2124 R-Z2124
DA16 R-YP1456 R-YP1456
DA161 Q-L330 Q-L330
DA162 Q-YP4000 Q-YP4000
DA171 N-L1025 N-L1025
DA179 G-L1266 G-L1266
DA19 E-Y31991 E-Y31991
DA190 G-Z6653 G-Z6653
DA198 G-PF3378 G-PF3378
DA203 J-Z7706 J-Z7706
DA204 J-PF4610 J-PF4610
DA222 J-Z7706 J-Z7706
DA228 O-PK4 O-PK4
DA230 J-Z7706 J-Z7706
DA230 C-Y11990 C-Y11990
DA28 C-Y4541 C-Y4541
DA30 I-A427 I-A427
DA31 I-Y16419 I-Y16419
DA343 Q-YP1102 Q-YP1102
DA353 Q-YP4004 Q-YP4004
DA356 Q-YP1102 Q-YP1102
DA361 Q-YP4004 Q-YP4004
DA41 R-PH200 R-PH200
DA43 O-F4062 O-F4062
DA45 O-F871 O-F871
DA47 Q-L330 Q-L330
DA41 Q-L933 Q-L933
DA54 Q-L715 Q-L715
DA57 J-Y13534 J-Y13534
DA58 J-Z7706 J-Z7706
DA59 J-Y13534 J-Y13534
DA65 E-V22 E-V22
DA74 Q-L713 Q-L713
DA81 R-PH200 R-PH200
DA85 L-Y31213 L-Y31213
DA86 Q-L715 Q-L715
DA87 R-Y14051 R-Y14051
DA92 R-Y20750 R-Y20750
DA93 R-Y14051 R-Y14051
DA95 N-Y16220 N-Y16220
DA98 N-TAT N-TAT



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rja6ZyjQrz3UK7_HTagkzczoOFjwcXOGdNOm9FC3Rik/edit#gid=0

The locations of these samples are unknown, we need to wait for the paper to come out. The paper will be released around mid May.

[Dragoon]

Is it true that part of Eurasia up to small part of China
had IndoEuropean/Cauacasoid-(or maybe Iranian) people thousands years ago?

They had found red haired people in part of China.
And parts of Native Americans had WestEurasian ancestry (1/4 or 1/3)?

[Wrong]

Here is a list of Y-haplogroups from these Steppe dudes:




https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rja6ZyjQrz3UK7_HTagkzczoOFjwcXOGdNOm9FC3Rik/edit#gid=0

The locations of these samples are unknown, we need to wait for the paper to come out. The paper will be released around mid May.
Mostly dominated by R & Q, with J being third.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Indo-European(specifically east Ukrainian Corded Ware-like late IE, not Yamnaya) invasion of India pretty much all but confirmed now, yet only 2 pages.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YhHg59hmCjs/WtauZkDud1I/AAAAAAAAGpg/mbqfObCt9hwohsgSMeZz0eE-WkIcIrTrACLcBGAs/s480/On_the_doorstep_of_India_PCA.png

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n8vA7EYkv14/WtF_l2bNu4I/AAAAAAAAGoo/kmkevmgGwgg7LFi6Xe1GYRYBOek7NNulACLcBGAs/s450/Ferghana_%2526_Khyber_Pass_topographical_small.png

Where have all the in denial Indians gone to?

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting to see that all the J belongs to J2a and not J2b or J1. R seems to prevail as expected

[Leto]

Indo-European(specifically east Ukrainian Corded Ware-like late IE, not Yamnaya) invasion of India pretty much all but confirmed now, yet only 2 pages.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YhHg59hmCjs/WtauZkDud1I/AAAAAAAAGpg/mbqfObCt9hwohsgSMeZz0eE-WkIcIrTrACLcBGAs/s480/On_the_doorstep_of_India_PCA.png

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n8vA7EYkv14/WtF_l2bNu4I/AAAAAAAAGoo/kmkevmgGwgg7LFi6Xe1GYRYBOek7NNulACLcBGAs/s450/Ferghana_%2526_Khyber_Pass_topographical_small.png

Where have all the in denial Indians gone to?
This is a (mainly) European forum and it has no place for any Asian or African supremacists. However, most Indians that I've seen here were more or less sane or reasonable.

Also, read this thread:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239663-Andronovo-horse-riders-crashed-into-India!&p=5067865&viewfull=1#post5067865

[Maguzanci]

And parts of Native Americans had WestEurasian ancestry (1/4 or 1/3)?

I think this is true that they get their Western ancestry from ANE which is mostly Western shifted cluster with around 25 to 30% ASE (Onge related) ENA/East Eurasian ancestry.

I believe these PCAs might show where Native Americans should plot genetically

In the first pca, Totonac (supposedly 100% pure Amerindian) and Bolivians between CHB/JPT (Chinese Han Beijing, Japanese Tokyo) and CEU (European Americans from Utah).

https://i.imgur.com/F3ryoQI.jpg

In the second PCA, Totonac and Bolivians are close to the Kyrgyz sample in the first CS Asian cluster and between East Asians, Polynesians and Europeans and Iraqis. The second CS Asian cluster towards Europeans are Pakistanis it seems.

https://i.imgur.com/uamnNhP.png

Third PCA. Amerindians are between ANE and Han here

https://i.imgur.com/PblLwBj.jpg (Credits to the Petalpusher)

[Maguzanci]

I think this is true that they get their Western ancestry from ANE which is mostly Western shifted cluster with around 25 to 30% ASE (Onge related) ENA/East Eurasian ancestry.

I believe these PCAs might show where Native Americans should plot genetically

In the first pca, Totonac (supposedly 100% pure Amerindian) and Bolivians between CHB/JPT (Chinese Han Beijing, Japanese Tokyo) and CEU (European Americans from Utah).

https://i.imgur.com/F3ryoQI.jpg

In the second PCA, Totonac and Bolivians are close to the Kyrgyz sample in the first CS Asian cluster and between East Asians, Polynesians and Europeans and Iraqis. The second CS Asian cluster towards Europeans are Pakistanis it seems.

https://i.imgur.com/uamnNhP.png

Third PCA. Amerindians are between ANE and Han here

https://i.imgur.com/PblLwBj.jpg (Credits to the Petalpusher)

Sorry I want to correct my statement on the second PCA. The Totonac (who are 100% Amerindians) actually cluster closer to Kyrgyz who are the first CS Asian cluster, while Bolivians since they have Euro admix cluster closer to Nepalis who are the second CS Asian cluster. Meanwhile the third CS Asian cluster which is Pakistanis show a shift towards Iraqis and Europeans (Slovenians, CEU).

[Harkonnen]

DA171 result

Y N-L1025 mtDNA H2a1

Gedmatch Z713550

K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 25.73
Baltic 60.13
West_Med 1.61
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea 4.50
South_Asian 3.23
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.03
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 2.76

Oracle 4:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 11.114440
2 Estonian @ 14.567318
3 East_Finnish @ 14.657040
4 Belorussian @ 15.033764
5 Estonian_Polish @ 15.330928
6 Erzya @ 15.987166
7 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.076241
8 Russian_Smolensk @ 16.181431
9 Finnish @ 17.082684
10 Southwest_Russian @ 18.008085
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.419487
12 Polish @ 19.588999
13 Ukrainian @ 22.129522
14 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.689356
15 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 23.297407
16 South_Polish @ 23.523617
17 La_Brana-1 @ 23.806120
18 Chuvash @ 29.127838
19 Croatian @ 30.396633
20 North_Swedish @ 31.556002

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Lithuanian @ 11.114440


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 11.114440


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.114440
2 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.315384
3 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.508182
4 Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.761994
5 Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.880618
6 East_Finnish + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.926003
7 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 11.948862
8 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.026574
9 Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.027840
10 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.036226
11 Erzya + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.087805
12 East_Finnish + Estonian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.205635
13 Belorussian + East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.236085
14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 12.249960
15 East_Finnish + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.296120
16 East_Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.368361
17 Belorussian + Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.402226
18 Erzya + Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.447273
19 East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk @ 12.491582
20 Erzya + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 12.540218

Looks like some sort of Proto-Uralian. The little African and Siberian is likely not real but just artefact of excess "ANE-type" ancestry.

[Leto]

The amount of SNPs is very low

26778 SNPs used in this evaluation
When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.

[Harkonnen]

The amount of SNPs is very low

When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.

Do I need to repeat myself a gazillionth time? Read my posts you fucking idiot.

[Harkonnen]

The amount of SNPs is very low

When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.

Also remove that Finnic tag. I have told you many times you don't have Finnic ancestry, you fucking Turko-mongol spawn

[Leto]

Also remove that Finnic tag. I have told you many times you don't have Finnic ancestry, you fucking Turko-mongol spawn
Go to sleep, you creepy drunkard. You are literally a fucking psycho.

[Harkonnen]

Go to sleep, you creepy drunkard. You are literally a fucking psycho.

At least I'm not a fucking retard who can't read.

[İrle]

Abstract is ridiculous:


We find evidence of a highly dynamic population history; the Iranian-speaking Scythians that dominated the Eurasian steppe throughout the Iron Age (~1 millennium BCE to common era) emerged following admixture between Late Bronze Age herders of western Eurasian descent and East Asian hunter-gatherers. The steppe nomads later further admixed with Turkic-speaking groups of East Asian ancestry that spread westward across the steppe in multiple waves: firstly, the Xiongnu confederations that emerged in Mongolia around the 3nd/2nd century BC; secondly, the Huns (4-5th century CE)

As long as they go with this pre-assumption about the whole Eurasian steppes dominated by "Iranic speaking Scythians" up until the Xiongnu period, we might very well guess how nonsensical the conclusion part will be.

Anyways, I'm only interested in the genomic data they'll provide.

[Leto]

At least I'm not a fucking retard who can't read.
Yes, you are. All you can do is spew some retarded bullshit once in a while, so fuck you.

[Harkonnen]

Yes, you are. All you can do is spew some retarded bullshit once in a while, so fuck you.

Go search my post history. You are going to find a long line of intelligent, original and deep thoughts.

I wouldn't of course expect that little fish like you would ever understand the mind of a sea monster dwelling 10000 meter deep. But hey, you can at least try.

[Böri]

Scythians weren't ethnicity and certainly not Iranians. Abstract has idee fixe to Aryanize the steppe herders. That looks more like a TA post rather than abstract to scientific paper. There is no scientifical proof for Iranianess of steppe peoples.
Another point is that Turkic-speaking groups weren't East Asian (aka Chinese) but Siberian in ancestry.
Oldest Scythian prince mummies are from Siberia (900 BC).

[Leto]

Go search my post history. You are going to find a long line of intelligent, original and deep thoughts.

I wouldn't of course expect that little fish like you would ever understand the mind of a sea monster dwelling 10000 meter deep. But hey, you can at least try.
Oh yes. You attack people like me or even Poles (who are rarely pro-Russian) solely on the basis of ethnicty. You literally don't know me yet you say I have Mongolian ancestry which is scarce even in Volga Tatars themselves. My mother is a Northern Russian from the Vyatka region, it was inhabited by Mari and Udmurt people before Russians settled there. She gets 21% Finnish and 5% Siberian on FTDNA and on GEDmatch her mongoloid is mostly Siberian (+ Amerindian, Arctic, etc.) too, not East Asian. I don't claim Finnish ancestry but I obviously have some sort of Volga-Uralic stuff in me. I use Finno-Ugric for lack of a better term, not because I wanna present myself as part Finnish.

[Leto]

Scythians weren't ethnicity and certainly not Iranians. Abstract has idee fixe to Aryanize the steppe herders. That looks more like a TA post rather than abstract to scientific paper. There is no scientifical proof for Iranianess of steppe peoples.
Another point is that Turkic-speaking groups weren't East Asian (aka Chinese) but Siberian in ancestry.
Oldest Scythian prince mummies are from Siberia (900 BC).
The Bronze Age steppe was definitely Indo-Iranian. Why do some Turks have a problem with that?

[Bobby Martnen]

Two Steppe samples from the recent BMAC paper excavated in the Farghana Valley, Uzbekistan and dated 1200-1000 BC undoubtedly show that they were white

Kashkarchi_BA (1200-1000 BC)
mtDNA: U5b2b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b


R1 wasn't White when it was in Central Asia - it became White after it came to Europe and mixed with Europeans.

[Leto]

R1 wasn't White when it was in Central Asia - it became White after it came to Europe and mixed with Europeans.
Well, autosomally those samples are white regardless of their Y-DNA. And it origninated in the Pontic steppe, not in Central Asia. The Corded Ware did not come to Eastern and Central Europe from Central Asia.

[Bobby Martnen]

Well, autosomally those samples are white regardless of their Y-DNA. And it origninated in the Pontic steppe, not in Central Asia. The Corded Ware did not come to Eastern and Central Europe from Central Asia.

R1, like E1b1b, became European through mixing with Europeans - both haplogroups originated outside of Europe.

[Leto]

R1, like E1b1b, became European through mixing with Europeans - both haplogroups originated outside of Europe.
J orignated outside of Europe too. But who cares? In case of R1a/b it originated somewhere on the border between Europe and Asia.

[Harkonnen]

Oh yes. You attack people like me or even Poles (who are rarely pro-Russian) solely on the basis of ethnicty. You literally don't know me yet you say I have Mongolian ancestry which is scarce even in Volga Tatars themselves. My mother is a Northern Russian from the Vyatka region, it was inhabited by Mari and Udmurt people before Russians settled there. She gets 21% Finnish and 5% Siberian on FTDNA and on GEDmatch her mongoloid is mostly Siberian (+ Amerindian, Arctic, etc.) too, not East Asian. I don't claim Finnish ancestry but I obviously have some sort of Volga-Uralic stuff in me. I use Finno-Ugric for lack of a better term, not because I wanna present myself as part Finnish.

FTDNA and GEDmatch are full of shit and you are full of shit too.

[Aren]

The amount of SNPs is very low

When I run my kits, the amount is over 170,000.

And why would a proto-Uralic have no mongoloid admixture? All Finno-Ugric people do, at least 5-7%.

Why do you think he does that? Cause he's a selfhater. Ofc the Proto-Uralics were very Siberian-like which this new study showed.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/22/285437

Y-chromosomal haplotype N1c1a1a (N-L392) in individuals BOO002 and
BOO004. Haplogroup N1c, to which this haplotype belongs, is the major Y
chromosomal lineage in modern North-East Europe and European Russia,
especially in Uralic speakers, for example comprising as much as 54% of Eastern
Finnish male lineages today27
. Notably, this is the earliest known occurrence of
Y-haplogroup N1c in Fennoscandia. A


The 3,500-year-old ancient individuals from Bolshoy evidence the earliest presence, as well as the highest proportion of Siberian ancestry in this region
(Figure 4)

So Proto-Uralics were newcomers, arriving later than Indo-Europeans to Fennoscandia. Not only that but their were ofc high in Siberian input.

[Harkonnen]

Why do you think he does that? Cause he's a selfhater. Ofc the Proto-Uralics were very Siberian-like which this new study showed.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/22/285437




So Proto-Uralics were newcomers, arriving later than Indo-Europeans to Fennoscandia. Not only that but their were ofc high in Siberian input.

No you dumb idiot. There is zero N-L392 in Finns. Finnish N1c1 comes from those Steppe populations which results I posted earlier.

[Leto]

Why do you think he does that? Cause he's a selfhater. Ofc the Proto-Uralics were very Siberian-like which this new study showed.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/22/285437




So Proto-Uralics were newcomers, arriving later than Indo-Europeans to Fennoscandia. Not only that but their were ofc high in Siberian input.
Well, he is a mentally unstable and potentially aggressive person, so I usually avoid talking to him, 'cause he insults me and some other people solely on the basis of ethnicity or personal distaste.
As for the proto-Uralic speakers, it's not even clear where exactly they originated.
Anyway, I'm not Finnish, neither do I have plans to live there, so he can go eff himself for being such a despicable jerk and attacking people for no reason.

[Aren]

No you dumb idiot. There is zero N-L392 in Finns. Finnish N1c1 comes from those Steppe populations which results I posted earlier.

You are funny


N1c1a1a1 (L392, L1026): Finno-Ugric branch; found throughout north-east Europe
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#subclades

This is btw the oldest N1c found in Northeast Europe and it's dated to 1500 BC :D :D

[Leto]

You are funny


https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#subclades

This is btw the oldest N1c found in Northeast Europe and it's dated to 1500 BC :D :D
So what is your assumption? Do you think they indeed originated somewhere west of the Ural mountains (the Kama river basin) and then moved westwards to Estonia. Some say proto-Finns pushed the Sami to the North and obviously mixed with them.

[Aren]

So what is your assumption? Do you think they indeed originated somewhere west of the Ural mountains (the Kama river basin) and then moved westwards to Estonia. Some say proto-Finns pushed the Sami to the North and obviously mixed with them.

From the abstract of the same study


Here we analyse ancient genomic data from 11 individuals from Finland and Northwest Russia. We show that the specific genetic makeup of northern Europe traces back to migrations from Siberia that began at least 3,500 years ago. This ancestry was subsequently admixed into many modern populations in the region, in particular populations speaking Uralic languages today.

[Leto]

From the abstract of the same study
Well, that doesn't mean the Uralic languages came 3,500 y.o. from Siberia.

[Aren]

Well, that doesn't mean the Uralic languages came 3,500 y.o. from Siberia.

Proto Uralic was already being spoken at that time so it's safe to say that these N1c men brought it to NE Europe.

[Leto]

Proto Uralic was already being spoken at that time so it's safe to say that these N1c men brought it to NE Europe.

The Proto-Uralic homeland has always been located near the Ural Mountains, either on the European or the Siberian side. The main reason to suppose a Siberian homeland has been the traditional taxonomic model that sees the Samoyed branch splitting off first; because the present border between the Samoyed and the Ugric branch is located in Western Siberia, the original split was seen to have occurred there, too.

More recently also the loanword evidence has been used to support a European homeland: Proto-Uralic has been seen borrowing words from Proto-Indo-European,[4][5] and the Proto-Indo-European homeland has rarely been located east of the Urals. Proto-Uralic even seems to have developed in close contact with Proto-Aryan,[6] which is seen to have been born in the Poltavka culture of the Caspian steppes before its spread to Asia.[7]

Although Proto-Uralic is now located on the European side of the Urals, Pre-Proto-Uralic seems to have been spoken in Asia, as argued on the basis of early contacts with the Yukaghir languages [8] and typological similarity with the Altaic (in the typological meaning) language families.[9]

After the rejection of the continuity theories, the recent linguistic arguments have placed the Proto-Uralic homeland around the Kama River, or more generally close to the Great Volga Bend and the Ural Mountains. The expansion of Proto-Uralic has been dated to about 2000 BC (4000 years ago), whereas its earlier stages go back at least one or two millennia further. Either way, this is considerably later than the earlier views of the continuity theories, which would place Proto-Uralic deep into Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland_hypotheses

[Aren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland_hypotheses

Yes I agree. Proto-Uralic and Proto-Indo European both developed close to one and other north of the Caucasus.

[Harkonnen]

You are funny


https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#subclades

This is btw the oldest N1c found in Northeast Europe and it's dated to 1500 BC :D :D

No it is not. The oldest N1c1 found so far is Serteya 2 from Belarus 2500 BC. Oldest N is 35000 year old Oase 2 from Romania which means any East Eurasian ancestry in N men comes from maternal side.

[Harkonnen]

Oh yes. You attack people like me or even Poles (who are rarely pro-Russian) solely on the basis of ethnicty. You literally don't know me yet you say I have Mongolian ancestry which is scarce even in Volga Tatars themselves. My mother is a Northern Russian from the Vyatka region, it was inhabited by Mari and Udmurt people before Russians settled there. She gets 21% Finnish and 5% Siberian on FTDNA and on GEDmatch her mongoloid is mostly Siberian (+ Amerindian, Arctic, etc.) too, not East Asian. I don't claim Finnish ancestry but I obviously have some sort of Volga-Uralic stuff in me. I use Finno-Ugric for lack of a better term, not because I wanna present myself as part Finnish.

I really don't understand what is your problem with having Turkic or Mongol ancestry. Turks are fine people and much respected. And yes Volga Tatars are filled with Turkic Conqueror ancestry.

Let me once again remind you about this little gem:


Among the northern Europeans, the Finnish (finni3) show evidence of an admixture event involving
a minority source most similar to contemporary North Siberians (469CE (213BCE-1011CE)). Finns are
thought to have originated from the northward migration, and subsequent contact, between Central Eu-
ropeans and indigenous Scandinavian hunter-gatherers closely related to the Saami [S?]. The Saami
are closely related to the individuals that make up the North Siberian world region. Within our dataset,
only the Finnish, Hungarians and Mordovians speak Finno-Ugric languages, the latter of which we group into
two clusters (mordo13: 792 (564-975CE); mordo2: 558 (179-843CE)) and, together with the Russians
(russi25: 913(754-1007CE)) and Chuvash (chuva16: 829 (627-940CE)) populations, infer admixture at
approximately the same time (500-900CE) involving Mongolian, Central European, and Finnish donors.
As such, the Asian admixture in these groups is unlikely to be associated with the Mongolian
expansion described above and may instead be related to earlier Turkic movements, involving the Huns
and Avars [S?], but separate to the event inferred in the Finnish.




Here's a Hunnic result:

DA101 Hunnic_Tien_Shan

Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta,44
Dali_MLBA,43.2
Sarazm_Eneolithic,8.8
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,4

[1] distance%=2.7356

Gedmatch Kit Number: Z239204

Population
North_Atlantic 17.84
Baltic 20.67
West_Med -
West_Asian 26.73
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 9.88
East_Asian 4.20
Siberian 16.50
Amerindian 4.17
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Oracle4:

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Nogay @ 19.474754
2 Afghan_Turkmen @ 19.772781
3 Tadjik @ 20.165670
4 Uzbeki @ 23.036974
5 Tatar @ 23.060909
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 23.450630
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 24.060871
8 Uygur @ 27.242842
9 Hazara @ 27.496092
10 Turkmen @ 28.649939
11 Tabassaran @ 29.153820
12 Afghan_Pashtun @ 29.166658
13 Chuvash @ 30.268799
14 Kabardin @ 30.772602
15 Chechen @ 30.788715
16 Lezgin @ 31.560823
17 Kumyk @ 31.789127
18 Mari @ 32.297440
19 Balkar @ 32.650303
20 Kazakh @ 34.121143

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tadjik +50% Tatar @ 9.549594

This guys y-DNA was R-YP1548
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1548/

Not unsurprisingly Mordvins, Tatars and Bashkirs are filled with Turkic R-YP1548 which coincides with their Turko-Mongol ancestry

tadaa

Mordovian:

Lithuanian 59.5
Udmurt 16.9
Hunnic_Tien_Shan: DA101 14.5 <-
Latvian 6.6
Icelandic 2.5
Saami 0.0 <-
Comb_Ceramic 0.0
Srubnaya 0.0
Sintashta_MLBA_o3 0.0

Finnish result to compare

Finnish_East:

Latvian 34.05
Saami 33.70 <-
Icelandic 19.80
Lithuanian 8.70
Comb_Ceramic 3.75
Hunnic_Tien_Shan: DA101 0.00 <-
Srubnaya 0.00
Sintashta_MLBA_o3 0.00
Udmurt 0.00

[Aren]

No it is not. The oldest N1c1 found so far is Serteya 2 from Belarus 2500 BC. Oldest N is 35000 year old Oase 2 from Romania which means any East Eurasian ancestry in N men comes from maternal side.

Yeah the Comb Ceramic sample aswell. I can't seem to find anything regarding the haplgroup of Oase 2. Where did you find that it was N? I know Eupedia isn't really 100% acurate but it says that N is 15-20k years old.


Haplogroup N is a descendant of East Asian macro-haplogroup NO. It is believed to have originated in Indochina or southern China approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.
Haplogroup N1* and N1c were both found at high frequency (26 out of 70 samples, or 37%) in Neolithic and Bronze Age remains (4500-700 BCE) from the West Liao River valley in Northeast China (Manchuria)

[Leto]

I really don't understand what is your problem with having Turkic or Mongol ancestry. Turks are fine people and much respected. And yes Volga Tatars are filled with Turkic Conqueror ancestry.

Let me once again remind you about this little gem:



Here's a Hunnic result:

DA101 Hunnic_Tien_Shan

Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta,44
Dali_MLBA,43.2
Sarazm_Eneolithic,8.8
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,4

[1] distance%=2.7356

Gedmatch Kit Number: Z239204

Population
North_Atlantic 17.84
Baltic 20.67
West_Med -
West_Asian 26.73
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 9.88
East_Asian 4.20
Siberian 16.50
Amerindian 4.17
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Oracle4:

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Nogay @ 19.474754
2 Afghan_Turkmen @ 19.772781
3 Tadjik @ 20.165670
4 Uzbeki @ 23.036974
5 Tatar @ 23.060909
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 23.450630
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 24.060871
8 Uygur @ 27.242842
9 Hazara @ 27.496092
10 Turkmen @ 28.649939
11 Tabassaran @ 29.153820
12 Afghan_Pashtun @ 29.166658
13 Chuvash @ 30.268799
14 Kabardin @ 30.772602
15 Chechen @ 30.788715
16 Lezgin @ 31.560823
17 Kumyk @ 31.789127
18 Mari @ 32.297440
19 Balkar @ 32.650303
20 Kazakh @ 34.121143

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tadjik +50% Tatar @ 9.549594

This guys y-DNA was R-YP1548
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1548/

Not unsurprisingly Mordvins, Tatars and Bashkirs are filled with Turkic R-YP1548 which coincides with their Turko-Mongol ancestry

tadaa

Mordovian:

Lithuanian 59.5
Udmurt 16.9
Hunnic_Tien_Shan: DA101 14.5 <-
Latvian 6.6
Icelandic 2.5
Saami 0.0 <-
Comb_Ceramic 0.0
Srubnaya 0.0
Sintashta_MLBA_o3 0.0

Finnish result to compare

Finnish_East:

Latvian 34.05
Saami 33.70 <-
Icelandic 19.80
Lithuanian 8.70
Comb_Ceramic 3.75
Hunnic_Tien_Shan: DA101 0.00 <-
Srubnaya 0.00
Sintashta_MLBA_o3 0.00
Udmurt 0.00
The most common Mongol Y-haplogroups are barely present in Russians and they are quite rare even in Volga Tatars (they are around 80% caucasoid on average and over 90% of their Y-DNA is West Eurasian + N3 which is the most common Y-haplogroup in all Finno-Ugric-speaking groups). Mongol influence is barely detectable in ethnic Russians, you literally won't find a study which would prove otherwise. On the other hand, this study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/) clearly showcases that Northern Russians have significant pre-Slavic substratum. Also, proto-Uralic originated in Russia, not in Finland, so maybe it's you stealing my heritage? :lol: Anyway, Finnic, Ugric, etc. are mostly linguistic terms, not racial. No one says it's some distinct and homogeneous genetic thing. Leave me the fuck alone, Pekka, I have no interest in arguing with a drunk psychopath.

[Leto]

Concerning the Volga Tatar and Bashkir gene pool, this study has some plausible conclusions:

One of most curious findings involved the Bashkir, an ethnicity with an extremely complex historical background. There are three main theories describing Bashkir origins: “Turkic”, “Finno-Ugric”, and “Iranian” [76, 77]. According to the “Turkic” theory, most Bashkir genetic ancestry was formed by Turkic tribes migrating from Central Asia in the first millennium AD. The “Finno-Ugric” theory stipulates that the nucleus of Bashkir ancestry was formed by the Magyar (Hungarians), who were later assimilated by Turkic tribes and adopted a Turkic language, while the “Iranian” theory considers Bashkir to be descendants of Sarmatians from the southern Ural.

Speaking generally, our findings add weight to “Finno-Ugric” theory of the origin of Bashkir. A majority of Bashkir IBD fragments were shared with Khanty, an ethnicity related to Magyar. Interestingly, some works point out that before the thirteenth century the Hungarians were commonly called Bashkir ([78], pp. 289–294). It is surmised that the Magyar ethnicity was formed in the region between Volga and the Ural Mountains, then, at the end of the sixth century AD, moved to the Don-Kuban steppes abandoned by the Proto-Bulgarians followed by the move to their present location between Dnieper and Danube somewhat later.

Further analyses (ADMIXTURE and recent IBD) pointed to proximity of Bashkir to Turkic-speaking Tatar and Chuvash as well as to Finno-Ugric Udmurt and Khanty. In addition, results of f3 outgroup analysis indicate that Bashkir, in contrary to other Turkic speakers, were strongly influenced by Ancient Northern Eurasians, highlighting a mismatch of their cultural background and genetic ancestry and an intricacy of the historic interface between Turkic and Uralic populations. As a general pattern, the Eastern European speakers of Uralic languages share large amounts of IBD with Khanty and Ket, with Turkic speaking Bashkir being added to this rule.

It is noteworthy that the genomes of closest linguistic relatives of Bashkir, Volga Tatar, bears very little traces of East Asian or Central Siberian ancestry. Volga Tatar are a mix between Bulgar who carried a large Finno-Ugric component, Pecheneg, Kuman, Khazar, local Finno-Ugric tribes, and even Alan. Therefore, Volga Tatars are predominantly European ethnicity with a tiny contribution of East-Asian component. As most Tatar’ IBD is shared with various Turkic and Uralic populations from Volga-Ural region, an amalgamation of various cultures is evident. When the original Finno-Ugric speaking people were conquered by Turkic tribes, both Tatar and Chuvash are likely to have experience language replacement, while retaining their genetic core. Most likely, these events took place sometime around VIII century AD, after the relocation of Bulgar tribes to Volga and Kama river basins, and expansion of Turkic people.

We speculate that Bashkir, Tatar, Chuvash and Finno-Ugric speakers from Volga basin has a common Turkic component, which could have been acquired as a result of Turkic expansion to Volga-Urals region. However, the original Finno-Ugric substrate was not homogeneous: Tatar and Chuvash genomes carry mainly “Finno-Permic” component, while Bashkir carry the “Magyar” one. The fraction of the Turkic component in Bashkir is, undoubtedly, quite significant, and larger than that in Tatar and Chuvash. This component reflects the South Siberian influence on Bashkir, which makes them related to Altai, Kyrgyz, Tuvinian, and Kazakh people.

As a standalone approach, an analysis of shared IBD is not sufficient to support the Finno-Ugric hypothesis of Bashkir origin as a sole source, while pointing at temporal separation of genetic components in Bashkir. Hence, we demonstrated that Bashkir genepool is a multifaceted, multicomponent system, lacking the main “core”; it is an amalgamation of Turkic, Ugric, Finnish and Indo-European contributions. In this mosaic, it is impossible to identify the leading element. Therefore, Bashkir are the most genetically diverse ethnic group of the Volga-Urals region.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236289-Between-Lake-Baikal-and-the-Baltic-Sea-genomic-history-of-the-gateway-to-Europe

[Pahli]

Scythians weren't ethnicity and certainly not Iranians. Abstract has idee fixe to Aryanize the steppe herders. That looks more like a TA post rather than abstract to scientific paper. There is no scientifical proof for Iranianess of steppe peoples.
Another point is that Turkic-speaking groups weren't East Asian (aka Chinese) but Siberian in ancestry.
Oldest Scythian prince mummies are from Siberia (900 BC).

No, they were 100% Slavs, go cry in the corner and come back when you're done with your nationalist bullshit :lol:

[Böri]

No, they were 100% Slavs, go cry in the corner and come back when you're done with your nationalist bullshit :lol:

How does it feel to be native farmer Mena assimilated linguistically by those mythical steppe PIE Iranics without considerable genetic legacy? Turks cleansed them in the steppe before being cleansed by Slavs.
But Slavs can’t have the pride, just as the Nazis blamed them to be low class and not able to rule themselves; Slavs were organised by Khazars (Turks), Germanic Vikings (Rus), then again by Germans from Germany (Catherina) and finally by local councils (Soviets) dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, Latvians, Georgians etc.
Slavs are the mass which reached success through ruling elites different than them in origins, ethnicity, culture and sometimes even religion.

[Aren]

How does it feel to be native farmer Mena assimilated linguistically by those mythical steppe PIE Iranics without considerable genetic legacy? Turks cleansed them in the steppe before being cleansed by Slavs.
But Slavs can’t have the pride, just as the Nazis blamed them to be low class and not able to rule themselves; Slavs were organised by Khazars (Turks), Germanic Vikings (Rus), then again by Germans from Germany (Catherina) and finally by local councils (Soviets) dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, Latvians, Georgians etc.

Is this coming from a Turk? How do you have the audacity to speak about being linguistically assimilated?

[Leto]

How does it feel to be native farmer Mena assimilated linguistically by those mythical steppe PIE Iranics without considerable genetic legacy? Turks cleansed them in the steppe before being cleansed by Slavs.
But Slavs can’t have the pride, just as the Nazis blamed them to be low class and not able to rule themselves; Slavs were organised by Khazars (Turks), Germanic Vikings (Rus), then again by Germans from Germany (Catherina) and finally by local councils (Soviets) dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, Latvians, Georgians etc.
Russians (I'm not talking about the Slavs in general) explored and conqured the vast swaths of land in Siberia and Asia and invented many things (more than Turkey has ever done). Why do you spew these anti-Russian diatribes whereever an opportunity presents itself.

[Harkonnen]

The most common Mongol Y-haplogroups are barely present in Russians and they are quite rare even in Volga Tatars (they are around 80% caucasoid on average and over 90% of their Y-DNA is West Eurasian + N3 which is the most common Y-haplogroup in all Finno-Ugric-speaking groups). Mongol influence is barely detectable in ethnic Russians, you literally won't find a study which would prove otherwise. On the other hand, this study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/) clearly showcases that Northern Russians have significant pre-Slavic substratum. Also, proto-Uralic originated in Russia, not in Finland, so maybe it's you stealing my heritage? :lol: Anyway, Finnic, Ugric, etc. are mostly linguistic terms, not racial. No one says it's some distinct and homogeneous genetic thing. Leave me the fuck alone, Pekka, I have no interest in arguing with a drunk psychopath.

You have the intelligence of a fucking ameeba. I literally posted you evidence int he post you quoted that R1a1 Turkics had mongolian ancestry. What the hell is so fucking hard to understand that R1a1 was found in large quantity among the Egiin Gol Proto-Turkics in fucking Mongolia, so what the fuck can be so hard to comprehend with the idea that mongolian heritage was once upon a time in history spread by R1a1 men.

Also LMAO at you posting a paper from 2008.

[Leto]

You have the intelligence of a fucking ameeba. I literally posted you evidence int he post you quoted that R1a1 Turkics had mongolian ancestry. What the hell is so fucking hard to understand that R1a1 was found in large quantity among the Egiin Gol Proto-Turkics in fucking Mongolia, so what the fuck can be so hard to comprehend with the idea that mongolian heritage was once upon a time in history spread by R1a1 men.
R1a is IE and in Eastern Europe we have Slavic or Baltic subclades, not even Z93. In Mongolia it's less than 10%.


Also LMAO at you posting a paper from 2008.
Y-DNA was already known at that time.

[Aren]

You have the intelligence of a fucking ameeba. I literally posted you evidence int he post you quoted that R1a1 Turkics had mongolian ancestry. What the hell is so fucking hard to understand that R1a1 was found in large quantity among the Egiin Gol Proto-Turkics in fucking Mongolia, so what the fuck can be so hard to comprehend with the idea that mongolian heritage was once upon a time in history spread by R1a1 men.

Also LMAO at you posting a paper from 2008.

Source of Oase 2 being N please.

[Harkonnen]

R1a is IE and in Eastern Europe we have Slavic or Baltic subclades, not even Z93. In Mongolia it's less than 10%.

Y-DNA was already known at that time.

Fuck your R1a1. Not a single fucking R1a1 was found from Yamna proto-IE. They were all R1b. R1a1 is Turkic.

[Aren]

Fuck your R1a1. Not a single fucking R1a1 was found from Yamna proto-IE. They were all R1b. R1a1 is Turkic.

And the Sredny Stog sample? If I remember correctly he had no Mong in him.

[Harkonnen]

Source of Oase 2 being N please.

Don't play fucking dumb. I've posted the same info enuff times already


These M2308-derived haplogroups have a wide spread today in Eurasia, extending from Finno-Ugric populations of Northeast Europe to Tibeto-Burman, Austroasiatic and Austronesian speaking groups of South and East Asia (Ilumae et al. 2016; Poznik et al. 2016). Although the Ust’Ishim and Oase men were separated from each other about 5 thousand years in time and about 5 thousand kilometres in space these two sampling points we have from the earliest period of peopling of Eurasia suggest some level of continuity in certain Y chromosome lineages that exist in present-day populations of Eurasia. In contrast, the analyses of autosomal genomes have shown that both Ust’Ishim and Oase men were equidistant to East and West Eurasian populations and therefore unlikely to have contributed substantially to later humans in geographic regions where they were living in (Fu et al. 2014, 2015). The phylogenetic affiliation of these early Eurasian men with an NO-related clade is notable because phylogeographic inferences made from present day Y chromosome variation have highlighted other haplogroups, I and R1-M173, as signatures of the genetic legacy of Palaeolithic humans in West Eurasia (Semino et al. 2000) while the origin of haplogroups N and O (Rootsi et al. 2007), as well as other sub-clades of haplogroup K (Karafet et al. 2015), was deemed most likely to be, on the grounds of the highest genetic diversity, in Southeast Asia.

and another...


Third, a lineage carried by a South Asian Telugu individual, HG03742, enabled us to refine early differentiation within the K2a clade ~50 kya (Fig. 1 and Supplementary Figs. 14d and 15). Using the high resolving power of the SNVs in our phylogeny, we determined that this lineage split off from the branch leading to haplogroups N and O (NO) not long after the ancestors of two individuals with well-known ancient DNA (aDNA) sequences did. Ust’-Ishim and Oase1 lived, respectively, in Western Siberia 43–47 kya and in Romania 37–42 kya. Their Y chromosomes join HG03742 in sharing with haplogroup NO the derived T allele at M2308 (GRCh37 Y:7,690,182), and the modern sample shares just four additional mutations with the NO clade.

[Harkonnen]

And the Sredny Stog sample? If I remember correctly he had no Mong in him.

What the fuck is your point?

[Aren]

What the fuck is your point?

You say R1a is from Mongols, but Sredny Stog was probably pre-Proto IE and R1a with no East Asian admix.

[İrle]

Is this coming from a Turk? How do you have the audacity to speak about being linguistically assimilated?

You screech too much for an Assyrian refugee.

[Aren]

You screech too much for an Assyrian refugee.

Turks calling people refugees and linguistically assimiliated. Keep it coming you're giving everyone a laugh.

[Harkonnen]

You say R1a is from Mongols, but Sredny Stog was probably pre-Proto IE and R1a with no East Asian admix.

Look, I was obviously trolling when I said that the East Euro R1a from yamna times was Turkic.

But that does not change the fact that

A) Egiin Gol is considered Proto-Turkic

B) R1a1 was among y-dna found in Egiin Gol.

This means that Proto-Turkics had R1a1 among their ranks, and there deffo was at least some East Asian Mongolian ancestry in the Xiongnu Turks.

[İrle]

Turks calling people refugees and linguistically assimiliated. Keep it coming you're giving everyone a laugh.

Pretty tough words for an Assyrian human waste who dedicated his life to blow off his Scando overlords so they might spare a place for him to spend his miserable life.

[Leto]

Pretty tough words for an Assyrian human waste who dedicated his life to blow off his Scando overlords so they might spare a place for him to spend his miserable life.
The Assyrians are indigenous to Southeastern Turkey and have been there for thousands of years and at least they're not Muzzies.

[Aren]

Pretty tough words for an Assyrian human waste who dedicated his life to blow off his Scando overlords so they might spare a place for him to spend his miserable life.

Man you are using such big words when we all know that the most Euro cocksuckers on the planet are Turks. You would sell your mother if it would make Greeks(who you all secretly jerk off to) to consider you European.

[İrle]

The Assyrians are indigenous to Southeastern Turkey and have been there for thousands of years.

Right. These rats couldn't hold their lands and escaped to Europe.

[Harkonnen]

The Assyrians are indigenous to Southeastern Turkey and have been there for thousands of years and at least they're not Muzzies.

Assyrians are complete utter filth. I prefer Muslims to Assyrian shit.

[Leto]

Man you are using such big words when we all know that the most Euro cocksuckers on the planet are Turks. You would sell your mother if it would make Greeks(who you all secretly jerk off to) to consider you European.
Don't they wanna be and look like Kyrgyz herders? :)

[Harkonnen]

Right. These rats couldn't hold their lands and escaped to Europe.

They are fucking loosers. I so wish you guys had managed to off these shitrats in that little genocide thing of yours.

[Leto]

Look, I was obviously trolling when I said that the East Euro R1a from yamna times was Turkic.

But that does not change the fact that

A) Egiin Gol is considered Proto-Turkic

B) R1a1 was among y-dna found in Egiin Gol.

This means that Proto-Turkics had R1a1 among their ranks, and there deffo was at least some East Asian Mongolian ancestry in the Xiongnu Turks.
Turkic speakers obviously assimilated some IE-speakers once they stared to expand.

[Aren]

Assyrians are complete utter filth. I prefer Muslims to Assyrian shit.

Well duh you are both offsprings of Mongs who raped the women who were indigenous to the area your people are living in today, you have a lot in common.

[Leto]

Fuck off Belarusian piece of shit.
I'm an Aryan IE conqueror, 100% white, we'll make fucking Finland IE again! And you'll be thrown into the Finnish gulf, Pekka.

[Aren]

Right. These rats couldn't hold their lands and escaped to Europe.

Again how does a Turk have the audacity to talk about escaping to Europe when millions of you are living just in Germany? Your people escaped from your own country that YOU are ruling, they escaped from the misery that Turks themself create. Our people had to escape from the hands of Turks, Arabs and other muslims.

[Harkonnen]

I'm an Aryan IE conqueror, 100% white, we'll make fucking Finland IE again! And you'll be thrown into the Finnish gulf, Pekka.

Dude you are some Slav piece of shit. Go sell your sister to Arabs

[Pahli]

Why do the Retarded Turks come here and ruin the thread once again? Throwing insults such as "MENA farmer", nothing shameful of that, since I never claimed to be some Nordic looking Iranian unlike Böri that is obsessed being so Turkic xD

[İrle]

Again how does a Turk have the audacity to talk about escaping to Europe when millions of you are living just in Germany? Your people escaped from your own country that YOU are ruling, they escaped from the misery that Turks themself create. Our people had to escape from the hands of Turks, Arabs and other muslims.

Turks had been invited there as guest workers and made their own place by working in the hardest jobs. You on the other hand, exterminated like rats and without even spending a single bullet for your ancestral lands, ran to Europe. Do not even dare to compare yourself with those Turks you human tissue.

[Harkonnen]

I'm an Aryan IE conqueror, 100% white, we'll make fucking Finland IE again! And you'll be thrown into the Finnish gulf, Pekka.

Assyrian cock tastes mighty fine in Belarusian ladyboy mouth

[Harkonnen]

Well duh you are both offsprings of Mongs who raped the women who were indigenous to the area your people are living in today, you have a lot in common.

Too bad science is against you. But what the hell do Slavs and Assyrians care about facts and science.

[Leto]

Assyrian cock tastes mighty fine in Belarusian ladyboy mouth
I'm reporting you, dipshit. I rarely do this but this time I'll try getting you removed from this forum, you fucking nutcase.

[İrle]

This thread is a fucking circus.

An Assyrian refugee from Sweden is bossing around.

A Russkie gopnik tryanna prove he is Aryan conqueror and shieet while covering his Xristian Assyrian buddy's ass.

A Kurdish kiro from Iran getting triggered over steppe related topics.

Just fucking LOL.

[Harkonnen]

I'm reporting you, dipshit. I rarely do this but this time I'll try getting you removed from this forum, you fucking nutcase.

That's right. That how the Slavic commies do. When they don't like the truth, they just eliminate the truth and continue with their ridiculous circle jerk.

[Leto]

This thread is a fucking circus.

An Asyrian refugee from Sweden is bossing around.

A Russkie gopnik tryanna prove he is Aryan conqueror and shieet while covering his Xristian Assyrian buddy's ass.

A Kurdish kiro from Iran getting triggered over steppe related topics.

Just fucking LOL.
No one asks for an opinion of some donkey turd.

[Aren]

Turks had been invited there as guest workers and made their own place by working in the hardest jobs. You on the other hand, exterminated like rats and without even spending a single bullet for your ancestral lands, run to Europe. Do not even dare to compare yourself with those Turks you human tissue.

You are making everyone puke with the amount of BS you are typing. Turks are one of the most hated groups in Europe. Calling someone "Turk" in Swedish is borderline offensive and politically incorrect. And we did fight for our ancestral land were successfull until Russia swapped sides and Armenia fell, we were too reliant on them. It was a lost war anyways we were heavily outnumbered.

And why the FUCK would I want to compare us with mongrelized pseudo-Turks who's despicable history started less than a millenia ago? You are a plague to West Asia, hated and despised by everyone around you. Don't you dare speak of Assyrians with that filthy mouth of yours.

[Harkonnen]

Kill me now and continue your Slav circle jerk you filthy shitheads.

[Leto]

That's right. That how the Slavic commies do. When they don't like the truth, they just eliminate the truth and continue with their ridiculous circle jerk.
You need to be banned not for your opinions but for your disrespect and constant insults/attacks for no reason.

[Harkonnen]

No one asks for an opinion of some donkey turd.

You are filthy Russian animal. You fucking shit.

[Harkonnen]

You need to be banned not for your opinions but for your disrespect and constant insults/attacks for no reason.
Continue your circle jerk and kill the opposition. That is the Russian way.

[Pahli]

This thread is a fucking circus.

An Assyrian refugee from Sweden is bossing around.

A Russkie gopnik tryanna prove he is Aryan conqueror and shieet while covering his Xristian Assyrian buddy's ass.

A Kurdish kiro from Iran getting triggered over steppe related topics.

Just fucking LOL.

I never got triggered, I'm just replying to retards like you, and now you got triggered and threw insults around like some 12 year old autist, get a grip dumbass.

Sure, you Turks are above all of us, mighty race of TA xD

[Aren]

I never got triggered, I'm just replying to retards like you, and now you got triggered and threw insults around like some 12 year old autist, get a grip dumbass.

Sure, you Turks are above all of us, mighty race of TA xD

A pseudo-Turk using the term "MENA farmer" as an insult. No words really for this dipshit and his so called brain.

[Harkonnen]

You need to be banned not for your opinions but for your disrespect and constant insults/attacks for no reason.

Know this that there will never be peace between Russians and Finnics. DO NOT CROSS THE ESTONIAN BOARDER. It is best that way. Move South to your brothers.

[Leto]

Know this that there will never be peace between Russians and Finnics. DO NOT CROSS THE ESTONIAN BOARDER. It is best that way. Move South to your brothers.
Lol, those mighty Estonian vikings definitely scare me.

Anyway, I suggest you go get some fresh air and leave this thread for a while.

[Harkonnen]

Lol, those mighty Estonian vikings definitely scare me.

Anyway, I suggest you go get some fresh air and leave this thread for a while.

Whatever. Just stay away.

[Imperator Biff]

Don’t mind me everyone just passing through....

[tipirneni]

I am only person matching Both the lactose persistence genes that this DA125 genome matches in the 1000 genomes DB

rs4988243 2 136607703 Found in Korea, ITU, BEB, GIH, qatar, MiddleEast, finn, jewish, amerind/latinos (ITU=34%, GIH=32.8%)
rs2236783 2 136594158 Found in Europe and among Amerind/Latinos (ITU=11.27% GIH=12.25%)

Eurogenes V2
Kit Z236183 for DA125 Steppe YDNA=https://yfull.com/tree/T-Y13279/ (Found in IRAQ)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.02
2 Atlantic 19.73
3 Eastern_Euro 17.99
4 West_Asian 13.64
5 Baltic 5.05
6 South_Asian 4.85
7 Sub-Saharan 2.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 15.8
2 North_Swedish 15.82
3 Norwegian 15.98
4 North_German 16.13
5 Swedish 16.48
6 North_Dutch 16.62
7 West_Norwegian 16.64
8 Orcadian 17
9 West_German 17.57
10 West_Scottish 17.63
11 Southeast_English 18.16
12 Irish 18.17
13 South_Dutch 18.7
14 Southwest_English 18.82
15 East_German 19.61
16 Southwest_Finnish 19.7
17 Finnish 20.89
18 Hungarian 21.9
19 French 22.3
20 Austrian 22.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% West_Norwegian + 28.4% Tabassaran @ 9.54
2 73.3% Norwegian + 26.7% Tabassaran @ 9.99
3 74.5% West_Norwegian + 25.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.21
4 73.9% West_Norwegian + 26.1% Lezgin @ 10.27
5 77.2% West_Norwegian + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.32
6 71.7% Orcadian + 28.3% Tabassaran @ 10.39
7 74.3% Danish + 25.7% Tabassaran @ 10.51
8 75.8% Norwegian + 24.2% Lezgin @ 10.73
9 74.5% North_Swedish + 25.5% Tabassaran @ 10.74
10 75.4% West_Norwegian + 24.6% Chechen @ 10.77
11 72.8% West_Norwegian + 27.2% Tadjik @ 10.81
12 73.2% Swedish + 26.8% Tabassaran @ 10.84
13 78.1% West_Norwegian + 21.9% Balochi @ 10.84
14 76.6% Norwegian + 23.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.91
15 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Brahui @ 10.95
16 79.2% Norwegian + 20.8% Kalash @ 11.02
17 78.9% West_Norwegian + 21.1% Burusho @ 11.06
18 71.2% West_Scottish + 28.8% Tabassaran @ 11.08
19 73.3% North_Dutch + 26.7% Tabassaran @ 11.12
20 77.2% Norwegian + 22.8% Chechen @ 11.16

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.02
2 Atlantic 19.73
3 Eastern_Euro 17.99
4 West_Asian 13.64
5 Baltic 5.05
6 South_Asian 4.85
7 Sub-Saharan 2.72


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Swedish @ 17.950872
2 Danish @ 18.116697
3 Norwegian @ 18.244684
4 North_German @ 18.456060
5 Swedish @ 18.860775
6 North_Dutch @ 19.032530
7 West_Norwegian @ 19.070400
8 Orcadian @ 19.586597
9 West_German @ 20.005934
10 West_Scottish @ 20.288305
11 Southeast_English @ 20.829548
12 Irish @ 20.903996
13 South_Dutch @ 21.331760
14 Southwest_English @ 21.496536
15 East_German @ 22.294331
16 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.356117
17 Finnish @ 23.571325
18 Hungarian @ 25.042412
19 French @ 25.409586
20 Austrian @ 25.697174

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tabassaran +50% West_Norwegian @ 16.253195


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Orcadian +25% Tabassaran @ 10.886559


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.619828
2 North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 10.710039
3 Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 10.799469
4 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 10.844185
5 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 10.864993
6 Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 10.871899
7 Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 10.873715
8 Danish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 10.885016
9 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 10.886559
10 Danish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.907677
11 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.927035
12 North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 10.938675
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 10.940564
14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 11.004442
15 Danish + Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 11.032894
16 Danish + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 11.043543
17 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 11.066937
18 Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 11.073636
19 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 11.125616
20 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 11.148820


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[tipirneni]

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