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Sikeliot

04-17-2018, 11:34 PM

This person is noteworthy because they have the lowest North European affinity of any southern Italian yet. But it is consistent with Sarno et al, which has Palermo and Calabria with very low Steppe.

These should be regions that may retain the ancient genetic character of the land.

Ancestry is half from Cerda, Palermo province, Sicily and half from Spezzano, Cosenza province, Calabria.

MDLP K16:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.83
2 Neolithic 26.49
3 Steppe 11.63
4 NearEast 7.49
5 NorthEastEuropean 4.8
6 NorthAfrican 4.22
7 EastAfrican 0.61
8 Oceanic 0.44
9 Amerindian 0.29
10 Ancestor 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Greece) 6.41
2 Jew (Bulgaria) 6.54
3 Greek (Athens) 6.55
4 Italian (SouthItaly) 6.6
5 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 6.62
6 Jew (Italian) 6.64
7 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.74
8 Sicilian (Sicily) 7.27
9 Jew (Turkey) 7.31
10 Jew (Ashkenazim) 7.47
11 Jew (Sephardim) 7.72
12 Maltese (Malta) 8.01
13 Jew (Algeria) 8.48
14 Jew (Morocco) 8.95
15 Italian (Abruzzo) 9.47
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 9.84
17 Greek (Macedonia) 10.03
18 Cypriot (Cyprus) 10.25
19 Jew (Syria) 10.74
20 Greek (Azov) 11.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 19.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.19
2 77.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 22.6% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.21
3 59.3% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 40.7% Italian (Tuscany) @ 3.28
4 83% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 17% Basque (France) @ 3.29
5 67.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 32.5% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.46
6 75% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 25% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 3.48
7 60.5% Sicilian (Sicily) + 39.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 3.75
8 79.1% Sicilian (Sicily) + 20.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 3.84
9 65% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 35% Corsican (Corsica) @ 3.98
10 74% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 26% Spanish (Spain) @ 4.01
11 81.7% Italian (SouthItaly) + 18.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 4.02
12 50.4% Greek (Athens) + 49.6% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 4.15
13 65% Greek (Athens) + 35% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 4.18
14 78% Sicilian (Sicily) + 22% Armenian (Armenia) @ 4.22
15 72.6% Greek (Athens) + 27.4% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) @ 4.29
16 73.7% Greek (Athens) + 26.3% Samaritan (Israel) @ 4.33
17 80.9% Italian (SouthItaly) + 19.1% Armenian (Armenia) @ 4.35
18 77% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 23% French (France) @ 4.36
19 51.5% Greek (Greece) + 48.5% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 4.45
20 61.1% Greek (Greece) + 38.9% Jew (Algeria) @ 4.47

MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 41.23
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.10
3 Near_East 10.70
4 South_Central_Asian 8.07
5 North_African 7.16
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.44
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.18
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.10

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French_Jew_ @ 5.300934
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 5.761315
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 5.984818
4 Italian_Jew_ @ 6.649038
5 Cretan_ @ 6.794777
6 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 6.891863
7 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.411911
8 Turk_Jew_ @ 7.432198
9 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.887466
10 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.690780
11 Italian_South_ @ 8.794847
12 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.885549
13 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.886232
14 Maltese_ @ 9.096475
15 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 9.229144
16 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.719578
17 Sicilian_West_ @ 9.722092
18 Cypriot_ @ 9.820548
19 Syrian_Jew_ @ 10.182432
20 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 10.228679

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Jew_ +50% Greek_Smyrna_ @ 3.041445

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Christian_Arabs_Israel_ +25% Georgian_Megrelia_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 2.311992

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.62
2 West_Med 22.66
3 West_Asian 18.44
4 North_Atlantic 12.64
5 Red_Sea 5.39
6 Baltic 3.17
7 Northeast_African 1.17
8 East_Asian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.86
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.2
3 Algerian_Jewish 7.86
4 Italian_Jewish 8.04
5 East_Sicilian 8.51
6 Cyprian 9.17
7 Central_Greek 9.21
8 Tunisian_Jewish 9.85
9 Ashkenazi 10.45
10 Libyan_Jewish 10.75
11 West_Sicilian 11.79
12 Italian_Abruzzo 12.03
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.39
14 Syrian 15.17
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.42
16 Samaritan 16.72
17 Turkish 16.79
18 Lebanese_Christian 17.57
19 Lebanese_Druze 18.17
20 Tuscan 18.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Cyprian + 15.6% French_Basque @ 2.17
2 78.6% Cyprian + 21.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.47
3 62.6% South_Italian + 37.4% Cyprian @ 2.56
4 79.9% Cyprian + 20.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.71
5 81% Cyprian + 19% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.74
6 80.9% Cyprian + 19.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.81
7 81.7% Cyprian + 18.3% Southwest_French @ 2.88
8 79.6% Cyprian + 20.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.95
9 79.3% Cyprian + 20.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.02
10 78.7% Cyprian + 21.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.03
11 80.1% Cyprian + 19.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.03
12 80.1% Cyprian + 19.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.12
13 74% Cyprian + 26% North_Italian @ 3.14
14 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.18
15 77.9% South_Italian + 22.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.21
16 72.7% South_Italian + 27.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.23
17 79.8% South_Italian + 20.2% Assyrian @ 3.24
18 79.2% Cyprian + 20.8% Portuguese @ 3.26
19 83.4% Algerian_Jewish + 16.6% Abhkasian @ 3.29
20 82.6% Algerian_Jewish + 17.4% Georgian @ 3.29

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.21
2 West_Asian 19.25
3 West_Med 18.4
4 Atlantic 13.76
5 Red_Sea 5.94
6 North_Sea 4
7 Baltic 2.29
8 Northeast_African 1.63
9 Eastern_Euro 1.52
10 Southeast_Asian 0.46
11 Oceanian 0.36
12 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6.42
2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.67
3 Italian_Jewish 7.64
4 Algerian_Jewish 8.35
5 East_Sicilian 8.72
6 Central_Greek 9.02
7 Tunisian_Jewish 9.58
8 Cyprian 9.63
9 Italian_Abruzzo 10.91
10 West_Sicilian 11.08
11 Ashkenazi 11.1
12 Libyan_Jewish 13.27
13 Lebanese_Muslim 13.57
14 Greek 14.37
15 Syrian 15.22
16 Turkish 15.58
17 Greek_Thessaly 16.36
18 Tuscan 16.76
19 Samaritan 17.11
20 Lebanese_Christian 18.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Cyprian + 17.5% French_Basque @ 3.57
2 83.8% Algerian_Jewish + 16.2% Abhkasian @ 3.87
3 76.7% Cyprian + 23.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.94
4 82.6% Algerian_Jewish + 17.4% Georgian @ 3.98
5 78.1% Cyprian + 21.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.99
6 79.2% Cyprian + 20.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.11
7 79.6% Cyprian + 20.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.25
8 78% Cyprian + 22% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.27
9 80.1% Cyprian + 19.9% Southwest_French @ 4.31
10 83.4% Algerian_Jewish + 16.6% Ossetian @ 4.4
11 84% Algerian_Jewish + 16% North_Ossetian @ 4.46
12 83% Algerian_Jewish + 17% Adygei @ 4.49
13 65% South_Italian + 35% Cyprian @ 4.49
14 88.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 11.3% Abhkasian @ 4.55
15 86.2% Italian_Jewish + 13.8% Abhkasian @ 4.57
16 77.8% Cyprian + 22.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.59
17 78.6% Cyprian + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.62
18 83.1% Algerian_Jewish + 16.9% Balkar @ 4.64
19 77.6% Cyprian + 22.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.65
20 87.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 12.1% Georgian @ 4.65

Eurogenes K36:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.50
Armenian 11.82
Basque 2.07
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.10
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.42
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 11.20
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.07
French 1.69
Iberian 8.65
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.22
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 18.54
North_African 3.49
North_Atlantic 0.14
North_Caucasian 0.87
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 8.28
West_Med 5.91

Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.07
2 Atlantic_Med 24.73
3 Southwest_Asian 12.89
4 North_European 8.98
5 Gedrosia 7.54
6 Northwest_African 5.95
7 Siberian 0.33
8 East_African 0.27
9 Sub_Saharan 0.19
10 Southeast_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.85
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.21
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.58
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.97
5 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.03
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.7
7 Cypriots (Behar) 12.3
8 Greek (Dodecad) 12.8
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.69
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 15.57
11 Lebanese (Behar) 17.04
12 Turks (Behar) 17.98
13 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.4
14 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.8
15 Druze (HGDP) 19.37
16 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.08
17 Syrians (Behar) 20.7
18 Jordanians (Behar) 21.47
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 22.13
20 Armenian (Dodecad) 23.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.19
2 89.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.9% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.23
3 88.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.4% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.44
4 87.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.47
5 79.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.55
6 89% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.6
7 89.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.63
8 78.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.75
9 77.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.82
10 78.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.83
11 78.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.89
12 78.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.93
13 89.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.04
14 79.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20.5% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.2
15 78.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 3.29
16 73.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.31
17 81.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.31
18 80.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3.37
19 75.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.2% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.41
20 92% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.45

HarappaWorld:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.15
2 Mediterranean 24.23
3 SW-Asian 15.34
4 NE-Euro 11.07
5 Baloch 8.57
6 E-African 1.47
7 Siberian 0.56
8 SE-Asian 0.27
9 Papuan 0.21
10 American 0.11
11 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 sephardic-jew (behar) 4.39
2 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 5.68
3 morocco-jew (behar) 8.01
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 9.16
5 cypriot (behar) 12.03
6 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 14.1
7 lebanese (behar) 15.49
8 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 16.55
9 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 17.19
10 tuscan (1000genomes) 17.7
11 lebanese-muslim (haber) 17.72
12 turk (behar) 18.19
13 tuscan (hgdp) 18.31
14 syrian (behar) 18.46
15 palestinian (harappa) 18.74
16 turkish (harappa) 18.78
17 tuscan (hapmap) 18.92
18 armenian (harappa) 18.98
19 jordanian (behar) 19.42
20 lebanese-christian (haber) 19.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.9% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.03
2 89.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.4% lezgin (behar) @ 2.13
3 90% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10% urkarah (xing) @ 2.17
4 88.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.8% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.19
5 89.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.21
6 89.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.25
7 88.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.28
8 89.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.3% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.33
9 51% tuscan (hapmap) + 49% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.43
10 57.6% lebanese-christian (haber) + 42.4% italian (hgdp) @ 2.45
11 80.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 19.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.56
12 76.2% cypriot (behar) + 23.8% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.56
13 82.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.2% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.61
14 80.3% morocco-jew (behar) + 19.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.68
15 52.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 47.3% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.73
16 80.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 19.9% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.74
17 65.6% lebanese-christian (haber) + 34.4% spaniard (behar) @ 2.79
18 81.1% morocco-jew (behar) + 18.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.81
19 70.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 29.7% cypriot (behar) @ 2.82
20 84.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.6% turk (behar) @ 2.86

PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 37.63
2 West_Asia 27.63
3 SW_Asia 18.04
4 NE_Europe 11.47
5 East_Africa 1.3
6 South_Asia 1.05
7 Siberia 1.01
8 West_Africa 0.83
9 SE_Asia 0.72
10 Oceania 0.25
11 Americas 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jew 4.55
2 Italian_Sicilian 5.46
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 6.24
4 Cypriot 8.34
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.13
6 Greek_Central 11.25
7 Turkish 12.21
8 Lebanese_Christian 13.52
9 Syrian 13.57
10 Turkish_Kayseri 13.75
11 Lebanese_Druze 14.06
12 Lebanese_Muslim 14.99
13 Jordanian 15.67
14 Turkish_Aydin 16.17
15 Greek_Thessaly 16.57
16 Albanian 17.24
17 Palestinian 18.48
18 Kosovar 18.5
19 Italian_Tuscan 18.72
20 Armenian 18.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Italian_Sicilian + 38.4% Cypriot @ 2.16
2 73.5% Italian_Sicilian + 26.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.18
3 72.7% Italian_Sicilian + 27.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19
4 74.8% Italian_Sicilian + 25.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.24
5 73.1% Italian_Sicilian + 26.9% Syrian @ 2.38
6 80.2% Italian_Sicilian + 19.8% Samaritan_Jew @ 2.59
7 79.8% Italian_Sicilian + 20.2% Assyrian @ 2.63
8 58.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 41.6% Cypriot @ 2.74
9 73.4% Lebanese_Druze + 26.6% French_Basque @ 2.85
10 80.2% Italian_Sicilian + 19.8% Armenian @ 2.9
11 77% Italian_Sicilian + 23% Jordanian @ 2.93
12 84.7% Sephardic_Jew + 15.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.96
13 72.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 27.9% French_Basque @ 3.06
14 74.3% Lebanese_Christian + 25.7% French_Basque @ 3.11
15 80.2% Italian_Sicilian + 19.8% Palestinian @ 3.12
16 71% Ashkenazy_Jew + 29% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.15
17 85.3% Sephardic_Jew + 14.7% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.18
18 81.2% Italian_Sicilian + 18.8% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.19
19 80.5% Sephardic_Jew + 19.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.19
20 58% Cypriot + 42% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.2

Eurasia K9 ASI:
# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 31.79
2 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 24.32
3 SW_Asian 22.07
4 WHG 16.58
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.44
6 W_African 2.05
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 7.13
2 Maltese 7.81
3 Cypriot 10.07
4 Greek 11.78
5 Turkish 11.87
6 Albanian 14.56
7 Tuscan 14.7
8 Lebanese 15.49
9 Druze 16.17
10 Armenian 16.56
11 Syrian 17.83
12 Jordanian 18.33
13 Georgian_Jew 18.56
14 Adygei 19.37
15 Kumyk 19.42
16 Iraqi_Jew 19.49
17 Azeri 19.58
18 Georgian 20.03
19 Iranian_Jew 20.08
20 Bulgarian 20.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% Sicilian + 29.2% Armenian @ 2.3
2 72.7% Maltese + 27.3% Georgian @ 2.31
3 78.2% Maltese + 21.8% Kurd_C @ 2.6
4 75% Sicilian + 25% Iranian_Jew @ 2.61
5 74.9% Maltese + 25.1% Abkhasian @ 2.78
6 69.2% Maltese + 30.8% Armenian @ 2.85
7 73.8% Sicilian + 26.2% Georgian_Jew @ 2.9
8 57.4% Kurd_N + 42.6% Sardinian @ 2.92
9 75.6% Sicilian + 24.4% Georgian @ 3.2
10 80.6% Sicilian + 19.4% Kurd_C @ 3.3
11 77% Sicilian + 23% Kurd_N @ 3.48
12 75.5% Sicilian + 24.5% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.49
13 71.7% Sicilian + 28.3% Druze @ 3.49
14 54.4% Cypriot + 45.6% Greek @ 3.5
15 58.1% Tuscan + 41.9% Iranian_Jew @ 3.53
16 75% Maltese + 25% Kurd_N @ 3.59
17 77.9% Sicilian + 22.1% Abkhasian @ 3.63
18 58.4% Greek + 41.6% Druze @ 3.65
19 60.5% Sicilian + 39.5% Cypriot @ 3.65
20 55.2% Iranian + 44.8% Sardinian @ 3.72

Near East Neolithic K13:
# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 32.51
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 21.94
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 20.35
4 NATUFIAN 15.66
5 SHG_WHG 3.9
6 SUB_SAHARAN 1.69
7 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 1.51
8 EHG 1
9 POLAR 0.96
10 KARITIANA 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 8.66
2 Sicilian 8.67
3 Cypriot 8.93
4 Jew_Moroccan 9.07
5 Italian_South 9.23
6 Turkish_Istanbul 11.34
7 Greek 11.6
8 Turkish 11.94
9 Turkish_Adana 12.39
10 Turkish_Kayseri 13.05
11 Turkish_Balekesir 14.25
12 Turkish_Trabzon 14.3
13 Jew_Tunisian 14.58
14 Albanian 14.71
15 Turkish_Aydin 14.79
16 Jew_Libyan 15.2
17 Lebanese 15.36
18 Armenian 16.23
19 Druze 17.3
20 Azeri 18.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.6% Armenian + 36.4% Sardinian @ 3.33
2 63.9% Sicilian + 36.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.81
3 87.1% Italian_South + 12.9% Iran_ChL @ 3.97
4 70.4% Turkish_Adana + 29.6% Sardinian @ 4.36
5 58% Cypriot + 42% Greek @ 4.45
6 83.8% Italian_South + 16.2% Iran_recent @ 4.45
7 51.1% Cypriot + 48.9% Italian_South @ 4.53
8 67.9% Sicilian + 32.1% Armenian @ 4.57
9 67% Turkish_Trabzon + 33% Sardinian @ 4.57
10 69.7% Italian_South + 30.3% Assyrian @ 4.63
11 69.7% Italian_South + 30.3% Jew_iraqi @ 4.65
12 71.7% Sicilian + 28.3% Assyrian @ 4.72
13 64.8% Cypriot + 35.2% Albanian @ 4.74
14 70.3% Italian_South + 29.7% Jew_Iranian @ 4.82
15 88.7% Sicilian + 11.3% Iran_ChL @ 4.85
16 88.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 11.3% Iran_ChL @ 4.88
17 92.2% Sicilian + 7.8% Iran_LN @ 4.94
18 92.2% Sicilian + 7.8% Iran_N @ 4.94
19 63.3% Italian_South + 36.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.98
20 72.4% Sicilian + 27.6% Jew_Iranian @ 5

Ancient Eurasia K6:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 50.79
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 25.01
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.39
4 Sub_Saharan 2.33
5 East_Asian 0.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Moroccan 3.31
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 3.48
3 Italian_South 4.01
4 Sicilian 4.97
5 Jew_Tunisian 5.58
6 Jew_Libyan 5.68
7 Cypriot 7.88
8 Greek 7.91
9 Armenia_ChL 7.94
10 Albanian 9.67
11 Turkish 11.02
12 Lebanese 11.45
13 Druze 11.64
14 Syrian 12.55
15 Jordanian 12.7
16 Palestinian 13
17 Bulgarian 14.11
18 BedouinA 14.89
19 Adygei 15.04
20 Saudi 15.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.9% Italian_South + 24.1% Syrian @ 0.34
2 76.1% Italian_South + 23.9% Jordanian @ 0.44
3 74.2% Italian_South + 25.8% Lebanese @ 0.49
4 70.2% Sicilian + 29.8% Druze @ 0.58
5 76.7% Italian_South + 23.3% Palestinian @ 0.72
6 63.5% Druze + 36.5% Spanish @ 0.85
7 77.8% Sicilian + 22.2% Jew_iraqi @ 0.9
8 83.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 16.3% Georgian @ 0.91
9 67.6% Greek + 32.4% Jew_Yemenite @ 0.94
10 83.3% Jew_Ashkenazi + 16.7% Assyrian @ 0.97
11 83.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 16.3% Jew_iraqi @ 1
12 70.3% Druze + 29.7% Basque @ 1.03
13 66.4% Greek + 33.6% Saudi @ 1.04
14 54.7% Albanian + 45.3% Druze @ 1.08
15 79.4% Italian_South + 20.6% BedouinA @ 1.11
16 83.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 16.2% Jew_Iranian @ 1.11
17 61.7% Sicilian + 38.3% Cypriot @ 1.12
18 77.9% Sicilian + 22.1% Jew_Iranian @ 1.14
19 77.7% Sicilian + 22.3% Assyrian @ 1.3
20 78.3% Jew_Ashkenazi + 21.7% Druze @ 1.33

Bobby Martnen

04-17-2018, 11:48 PM

Wow, this person is almost 60% MENA

Teucer

04-17-2018, 11:49 PM

Sikeliot

04-17-2018, 11:53 PM

Teucer

04-17-2018, 11:59 PM

Central Greek sample is a mixture of Athenians and North Aegean islands. And it is close to the "East Sicily" (Syracusan) sample.

Okay, but that doesn't explain why for MENA shifted populations like the Calabrese and Cypriots it usually comes up as their closest related Greek reference in gedmatch above everything else. Do you have any ideas why that would be?

Sikeliot

04-18-2018, 12:01 AM

Okay, but that doesn't explain why for MENA shifted populations like the Calabrese and Cypriots it usually comes up as their closest related Greek reference in gedmatch above everything else. Do you have any ideas why that would be?

It isn't their closest Greek population, it is just that the Eurogenes K15 calculator only has "Greek" (which is a mainland average), "Greek Thessaly" which has more Slavic input, and "Central Greek."

If you look on MDLP K23, the closest for this person is "Greek Islands" which is Dodecanese as well as Greeks from Smyrna, which is in Turkey.

Bobby Martnen

04-18-2018, 12:02 AM

If you look on MDLP K23, the closest for this person is "Greek Islands" which is Dodecanese as well as Greeks from Smyrna, which is in Turkey.

Are Greeks from Smyrna different genetically than mainland Greeks?

Sikeliot

04-18-2018, 12:03 AM

Are Greeks from Smyrna different genetically than mainland Greeks?

According to that calculator they are significantly different and much more West Asian.

This person is closer to Lebanese than to Thessalian Greeks (see Eurogenes K15) and is closer to Cypriots than to any mainland Greek population (see MDLP K23).

Teucer

04-18-2018, 12:05 AM

It isn't their closest Greek population, it is just that the Eurogenes K15 calculator only has "Greek" (which is a mainland average), "Greek Thessaly" which has more Slavic input, and "Central Greek."

If you look on MDLP K23, the closest for this person is "Greek Islands" which is Dodecanese as well as Greeks from Smyrna, which is in Turkey.

Fair enough. So you would rate MDLP as being the most valid calculator for Southern Italian populations?

Tauromachos

04-18-2018, 12:07 AM

I know I have mentioned this before, but what is it about the Central_Greek reference population that makes it turn up foremost among Cypriots, Calabrese, etc? You said it includes islands in the Aegean, I think, but I thought the only islands closely related to Cyps and Calabrese were Dodecanese. Aegean islanders also have elevated Caucasus/West Asian too?

It pops up very often in the top 5 of Mainlanders at least Peloponnesians as well.

They get it in their to 5 among with Abruzzo often as their closest 2.

Alot of them get Central Greek even at number 1.

Sikeliot posted some Southern Mainland Greek results in a thread of mine which got Albanian in their top 5 and Bulgarian in their top 10
to prove that they are more "Northern" Balkan shifted than Sicilians but even all of his results got Central Greek first before Albanian or
anything else.

I can find these results and post them.

Teucer

04-18-2018, 12:08 AM

It pops up very often in the top 5 of Mainlanders at least Peloponnesians as well.

They get it in their to 5 among with Abruzzo often as their closest 2.

Alot of them get Central Greek even at number 1.

Sikeliot posted some Southern Mainland Greek results in a thread of mine which got Albanian in their top 5 and Bulgarian in their top 10
to prove that they are more "Northern" Balkan shifted than Sicilians but even all of his results got Central Greek first before Albanian or
anything else.

I can find these results and post them.

Welcome back! You were quiet on the forum for a while

Coolguy1

04-18-2018, 12:09 AM

Wow almost no east Balkan admixture

pmv74

04-18-2018, 12:09 AM

My MDLP K16 Steppe is very low as well- 11.77.

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Sikeliot

04-18-2018, 12:10 AM

Fair enough. So you would rate MDLP as being the most valid calculator for Southern Italian populations?

One of them, yes.

Did you see the Bronze Age Sicilian sample? It was a mixture of Caucasus and Sardinian/EEF. This should tell us of which components came first. Then, southern Calabria (considered the oldest/most preserved south Italian group) has high SW Asian/Levantine also, but low Steppe.

So I think south Italy started out Sardinian-like, then acquired Caucasian, then SW Asian/Levantine, and then I think North Euro input and North African are the most recent things.

Tauromachos

04-18-2018, 12:12 AM

Welcome back! You were quiet on the forum for a while

Thanks

Yes i was busy

Teucer

04-18-2018, 12:13 AM

Sikeliot

04-18-2018, 12:18 AM

YEs, and if I recall correctly his first match was a Cypriot. Probably due to the high caucasian input the Sicilians received later as you say

The Bronze Age Sicily sample could be modeled as Armenian and Sardinian mixed.

Voskos

04-18-2018, 12:18 AM

My MDLP K16 Steppe is very low as well- 11.77.

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11.5% for me.

kleenex

04-18-2018, 01:29 AM

Are Greeks from Smyrna different genetically than mainland Greeks?

Significantly different. In general Mainland Greeks typically cluster with Albanians, Central Italians, Bulgarians (less so), Kossovars, and less so with Sicilians, Aegean Islanders, Cretans (with some exceptions), Cypriots, Anatolians (very distant).

Tauromachos

04-18-2018, 01:33 AM

Significantly different. In general Mainland Greeks typically cluster with Albanians, Central Italians, Bulgarians (less so), Kossovars, and less so with Sicilians, Aegean Islanders, Cretans (with some exceptions), Cypriots, Anatolians (very distant).

This is not correct in the way you say it

kleenex

04-18-2018, 01:46 AM

Gedmatch result for Greek mainlanders (with the exception of Maniots) and you'll see that this is true. When I say cluster I'm not suggesting overlap but mainlanders are closer to Balkan populations than they are to Dodecanese or certainly Anatolians.

Coolguy1

04-18-2018, 01:53 AM

This kit is close to Anatolian Chalcolithic samples on eurogenes K36, more so than Mycenaeans and Minoans.

catgeorge

04-18-2018, 02:03 AM

This is not correct in the way you say it

he said it perfectly well - Smyrnians are very close to Islanders but also close to Pontians in some way. Pontians are quite far genetically from mainland Greeks this is a fact.

Tauromachos

04-18-2018, 08:40 PM

he said it perfectly well - Smyrnians are very close to Islanders but also close to Pontians in some way. Pontians are quite far genetically from mainland Greeks this is a fact.

Mainland Greeks aren't closer to Non Albanian Balkan populations than to Greek Islanders.

And they aren't always only close to Central Italians.

They can be close to South Italians as well

Also Mainlanders aren't always closer to Albanians than to South Italians or Greek Islanders.

Do you agree that alot of Mainlanders at least in South Greece get Central Greek and Abruzzo often before Albanian in their gedmatch?

Yes or no?

Ajeje Brazorf

04-18-2018, 09:15 PM

One of them, yes.

Did you see the Bronze Age Sicilian sample? It was a mixture of Caucasus and Sardinian/EEF. This should tell us of which components came first. Then, southern Calabria (considered the oldest/most preserved south Italian group) has high SW Asian/Levantine also, but low Steppe.

So I think south Italy started out Sardinian-like, then acquired Caucasian, then SW Asian/Levantine, and then I think North Euro input and North African are the most recent things.

The Bell Beaker was very low quality sample (6615 SNPs on GEDmatch) from Trapani and it plots very close to modern Trapanese (West_Sicilian). I wouldn't draw any conclusion for all of south Italy based only on 1 sample and it's unlikely that there were two different migrations one carrying Caucasian and the other carrying "Levantine". As I have already told you so many times, the difference even between the Calabrese and the Mycenaeans was simply in the greater Caucasian component (perhaps Anatolian) and not in the Levantine one.
The questions are too many and the ancient DNA is too little.
That individual will certainly be a Jew, these are the results of a Calabrian whose origin is not clear to me and it's a bit different from the one you posted:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 4.589927
2 Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.490570
3 East_Sicilian @ 6.508255
4 Central_Greek @ 7.239556
5 Italian_Jewish @ 7.691332
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.420564
7 West_Sicilian @ 8.954817
8 Algerian_Jewish @ 9.276921
9 Ashkenazi @ 9.668725
10 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.243399
11 Greek @ 13.459154
12 Cyprian @ 14.266063
13 Libyan_Jewish @ 15.318981
14 Tuscan @ 15.668287
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.694731
16 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.432726
17 Syrian @ 18.580877
18 Turkish @ 18.632998
19 Jordanian @ 21.936630
20 Samaritan @ 21.973368

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.801554

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% French_Basque +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.224834

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + South_Italian @ 1.735360
2 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian @ 1.809934
3 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + French_Basque + Samaritan @ 1.814952
4 Assyrian + French_Basque + Samaritan + South_Italian @ 1.856637
5 Cyprian + French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.900079
6 Armenian + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.921609
7 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 1.926880
8 Assyrian + Cyprian + Cyprian + French_Basque @ 1.929439
9 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.948247
10 Georgian_Jewish + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.949773
11 Assyrian + Cyprian + French_Basque + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.955871
12 Armenian + French_Basque + Samaritan + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.970803
13 Cyprian + French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.001994
14 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Samaritan + South_Italian @ 2.029899
15 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.053560
16 Armenian + French_Basque + Samaritan + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.069077
17 Armenian + French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Samaritan @ 2.077120
18 Assyrian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.083140
19 French_Basque + Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.094787
20 Assyrian + Cyprian + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.095629

Trapani Bell Beaker
https://i.imgur.com/zoQf8OA.png
https://i.imgur.com/SSCTWni.png

catgeorge

04-18-2018, 09:42 PM

kleenex

04-19-2018, 12:40 AM

Mainland Greeks aren't closer to Non Albanian Balkan populations than to Greek Islanders.

And they aren't always only close to Central Italians.

They can be close to South Italians as well

Also Mainlanders aren't always closer to Albanians than to South Italians or Greek Islanders.

Do you agree that alot of Mainlanders at least in South Greece get Central Greek and Abruzzo often before Albanian in their gedmatch?

Yes or no?

Depends on the calculator. I can't speak for all South Greeks but if you examine Peloponnesian results on Gedmatch MDLP K16 for example you'll most likely find top 5 populations (maybe not in this order).
1 Italian (Tuscany)
2 Greek (Greece)
3 Italian (Abruzzo)
4 Kosovar (Kosovo)
5 Greek (Thessaloniki)

Tauromachos

04-19-2018, 12:52 AM

Depends on the calculator. I can't speak for all South Greeks but if you examine Peloponnesian results on Gedmatch MDLP K16 for example you'll most likely find top 5 populations (maybe not in this order).
1 Italian (Tuscany)
2 Greek (Greece)
3 Italian (Abruzzo)
4 Kosovar (Kosovo)
5 Greek (Thessaloniki)

Why only Kosovar and not Sicilian to begin with.?

I have seen reasonably often Peloponnesian gedmatch results who get Sicilian even West before Kosovar in their top 5,some
get even Ashkenazi Jew before Kosovar.

Also for Peloponnesians at least,results where they don't get Kosovar in their top 5 are not that rare.

I can post some examples if you like.

kleenex

04-19-2018, 01:05 AM

Why only Kosovar and not Sicilian to begin with.?

I have seen reasonably often Peloponnesian gedmatch results who get Sicilian even West before Kosovar in their top 5,some
get even Ashkenazy Jew before Kosovar.

Also for Peloponnesians at least,results where they don't get Kosovar in their top 5 are not that rare.

I can post some examples if you like.

No I'm sure that Kossovar not being in the top is common. I just wanted to point out that Mainlanders share a closer genetic proximity to Albania, Kossovar and Bulgaria than any Aegean population.I mean you even cited the article that distinguishes the genetic makeup of Greek Islanders and Mainlanders. No one population group is more "Greek" than the other just different genetic histories that's all.

Sikeliot

04-19-2018, 01:06 AM

Why only Kosovar and not Sicilian to begin with.?

I have seen reasonably often Peloponnesian gedmatch results who get Sicilian even West before Kosovar in their top 5,some
get even Ashkenazi Jew before Kosovar.

Also for Peloponnesians at least,results where they don't get Kosovar in their top 5 are not that rare.

I can post some examples if you like.

The "Sicilian" samples on Eurogenes are very north shifted compared to the average person on the island, because they used the most northern plotting region on each side of the island to represent them. If places like Agrigento or Messina were choices, there is no mainland Greek who would score them in their top 5.

Tauromachos

04-19-2018, 01:20 AM

The "Sicilian" samples on Eurogenes are very north shifted compared to the average person on the island, because they used the most northern plotting region on each side of the island to represent them. If places like Agrigento or Messina were choices, there is no mainland Greek who would score them in their top 5.

Who cares?

Northern shifted or not,it doesn't change that Mainlanders can get them often as closer matches than Albania or Kosovo.

Also among the Peloponnesian results there are not only such that get Sicilian first but even results that get Ashkenazi Jewish before
Albanian or Kosovo.

Sikeliot

04-20-2018, 11:44 AM

Who cares?

Northern shifted or not,it doesn't change that Mainlanders can get them often as closer matches than Albania or Kosovo.

But you know full well that this is not common.

I have never seen a result of a native person from Thessaly or north of it scoring Sicilian over Albanian/Kosovar, and even among Peloponnesian results it is not common.

I posted a lot of Thessalians the other day. 6 of the 9 were closer to North Italians than to Sicilians, and all 9 were closer to Kosovars and Albanians than to either.

Ajeje Brazorf

04-20-2018, 01:57 PM

I have never seen a result of a native person from Thessaly or north of it scoring Sicilian over Albanian/Kosovar, and even among Peloponnesian results it is not common.

The distance between Sicily and the Peloponnese is due to the fact that the Sicilians have higher components of West-Med, South-Caucasian, SW-Euro while the Greeks have more Paleo-Balkan, North-Caucasian, East-Euro and Baltic.

15.68% East-Med 15.76%
12.35% West-Med 7.27% (+5.08)
12.01% South-Caucasian 4.44% (+7.57)
10.40% SW-Euro 5.35% (+5.05)
7.07% Arabic 5.47%
6.55% Paleo-Balkan 11.92% (-5.37)
6.36% North-Sea_Germanic 6.85%
6.31% North-Caucasian 8.86% (-2.55)
6.13% Iranian 4.82%
4.65% North-African 2.67%
4.54% Scando-Germanic 5.05%
3.07% East-Euro 10.58% (-7.51)
2.74% Celtic 2.98%
0.76% South-African_HG
0.64% East-African_HG
0.38% Kushitic
0% Baltic 5.38% (-5.38)
0% Pamirian 0.74%
0% West-Finnic 1.86%