View Full Version : First ever Alawite GEDmatch results!!
Haider
04-19-2018, 09:49 PM
This person is an ethnic Alawite with roots in both Lebanon and Syria. Interesting results, and more in line with other regional minorities.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 35.75
2 SW_Europe 28.37
3 SW_Asia 23.5
4 NE_Europe 3.6
5 NE_Asia 2.16
6 East_Africa 2.12
7 South_Asia 1.91
8 Americas 0.89
9 Oceania 0.62
10 South_Africa 0.61
11 SE_Asia 0.34
12 West_Africa 0.1
13 Siberia 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Druze 3.22
2 Lebanese_Muslim 3.37
3 Syrian 3.66
4 Lebanese_Christian 4.65
5 Jordanian 7.7
6 Assyrian 8.29
7 Palestinian 9.51
8 Cypriot 9.63
9 Armenian 9.78
10 Turkish_Kayseri 10.21
11 Samaritan_Jew 10.44
12 Turkish 11.74
13 Azerbaijan_Azeri 13.27
14 Turkish_Trabzon 13.55
15 Kurdish 15.24
16 Turkish_Aydin 16.18
17 Sephardic_Jew 16.82
18 Iranian 16.97
19 Abkhasian 17.38
20 Yemeni 17.83
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97% Lebanese_Druze + 3% Han_North_China @ 1.91
2 97% Lebanese_Druze + 3% Korean @ 1.93
3 96.9% Lebanese_Druze + 3.1% Naxi @ 1.94
4 97.1% Lebanese_Druze + 2.9% Japanese @ 1.95
5 97% Lebanese_Druze + 3% She @ 1.95
6 96.9% Lebanese_Druze + 3.1% Han_South_China @ 1.95
7 96.9% Lebanese_Druze + 3.1% Miaozu @ 1.95
8 96.5% Lebanese_Druze + 3.5% Burmese @ 2
9 96.9% Lebanese_Druze + 3.1% Lahu @ 2.06
10 96.9% Lebanese_Druze + 3.1% Xibo @ 2.07
11 97% Lebanese_Druze + 3% Vietnamese @ 2.15
12 97.1% Lebanese_Druze + 2.9% Dai @ 2.19
13 97% Lebanese_Druze + 3% Daur @ 2.2
14 96.6% Lebanese_Druze + 3.4% Thai @ 2.22
15 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Han_North_China @ 2.33
16 97.2% Lebanese_Druze + 2.8% Oroqen @ 2.34
17 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Korean @ 2.35
18 97.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.7% Japanese @ 2.36
19 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% She @ 2.36
20 97.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.9% Han_South_China @ 2.37
StonyArabia
04-19-2018, 09:54 PM
It seems he is East Asian shifted, Mongol influence? Post his 4 ways Oracles
Haider
04-19-2018, 09:55 PM
MDLP K16 Modern
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 47.99
2 Neolithic 15.73
3 NearEast 14.01
4 Steppe 8.55
5 NorthAfrican 5.31
6 Indian 4.32
7 EastAfrican 1.4
8 Siberian 0.67
9 NorthEastEuropean 0.59
10 SouthEastAsian 0.5
11 Oceanic 0.48
12 Subsaharian 0.45
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 3.09
2 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 3.39
3 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 3.81
4 Jew (Syria) 5.33
5 Syrian (Syria) 5.42
6 Lebanese (Lebanon) 5.62
7 Samaritan (Israel) 5.93
8 Jew (Georgia) 5.95
9 Assyrian (Iran) 6.16
10 Jordanian (Jordanian) 6.34
11 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.56
12 Jew (Azerbaijan) 6.63
13 Armenian (Lebanon) 7.07
14 Jew (Kurdish) 7.13
15 Assyrian (Iraq) 7.29
16 Cypriot (Cyprus) 7.43
17 Armenian (Gavar) 7.49
18 Assyrian (Armenia) 7.6
19 Armenian (Yegvard) 7.78
20 Arab_Israel (Shefa_Amr) 7.79
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 13.6% Adygei (Adygea) @ 1.79
2 86.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 13.9% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 1.8
3 87.5% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 12.5% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 1.87
4 85.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 14.9% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 1.89
5 84.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 15.9% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 1.92
6 84.4% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 15.6% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 1.96
7 85.6% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 14.4% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 1.96
8 84.5% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 15.5% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 1.97
9 72.4% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 27.6% Assyrian (Armavir) @ 1.98
10 84.2% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 15.8% Georgian (Svanetia) @ 2.03
11 80.5% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 19.5% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 2.03
12 85.7% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 14.3% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.05
13 84.5% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 15.5% Ossetian (North_Ossetia) @ 2.06
14 72.9% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 27.1% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.07
15 82.2% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 17.8% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.09
16 76.3% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 23.7% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.1
17 60.8% Samaritan (Israel) + 39.2% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.12
18 77% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 23% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 2.14
19 70.7% Samaritan (Israel) + 29.3% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 2.17
20 70% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 30% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.18
Post Eurogenes K13 and K15.
Haider
04-19-2018, 10:00 PM
It seems he is East Asian shifted, Mongol influence? Post his 4 ways Oracles
For the first calc I used which is puntDNAL K13 Global
Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Muslim + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.504407
2 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Jordanian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.572299
3 Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.612206
4 Egyptian_Copts + Syrian + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.635767
5 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Syrian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.770036
6 Armenian + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.790714
7 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.805786
8 Armenian + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Muslim + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.807293
9 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Christian + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.826743
10 Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Christian + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.849977
11 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Muslim + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.859819
12 Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Muslim + Turkish + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.890241
13 Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.903940
14 Assyrian + Azerbaijan_Azeri + Cypriot + Egyptian_Copts @ 2.922268
15 Armenian + Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.923726
16 Armenian + Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.948578
17 Assyrian + Egyptian_Copts + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.965278
18 Palestinian + Palestinian + Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.969788
19 Armenian + Egyptian_Copts + Syrian + Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.983123
20 Armenian + Azerbaijan_Azeri + Egyptian_Copts + Syrian @ 2.983814
Done.
Haider
04-19-2018, 10:09 PM
Post Eurogenes K13 and K15.
K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.66
2 West_Asian 22.37
3 Red_Sea 12.65
4 West_Med 11.91
5 North_Atlantic 4.34
6 South_Asian 2.81
7 Northeast_African 1.82
8 Siberian 1.18
9 Sub-Saharan 1.01
10 Baltic 0.9
11 East_Asian 0.51
12 Amerindian 0.49
13 Oceanian 0.35
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.02
2 Syrian 3.14
3 Jordanian 7.41
4 Palestinian 7.83
5 Samaritan 8.14
6 Lebanese_Christian 8.22
7 Kurdish_Jewish 8.57
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.69
9 Iranian_Jewish 8.81
10 Cyprian 9.33
11 Assyrian 10.6
12 Bedouin 12.36
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.19
14 Georgian_Jewish 13.67
15 Libyan_Jewish 13.69
16 Turkish 14.56
17 Sephardic_Jewish 15.34
18 Armenian 16.65
19 Algerian_Jewish 17.15
20 Italian_Jewish 17.39
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.8% Syrian + 23.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.81
2 91.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.6% Saudi @ 2.01
3 92.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 7.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.31
4 86.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 13.7% Bedouin @ 2.33
5 52.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 47.7% Syrian @ 2.34
6 80.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 19.9% Palestinian @ 2.39
7 65.8% Palestinian + 34.2% Turkish @ 2.41
8 81.1% Syrian + 18.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.45
9 81.1% Syrian + 18.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.49
10 81.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 18.1% Jordanian @ 2.6
11 85.8% Syrian + 14.2% Assyrian @ 2.64
12 82.5% Syrian + 17.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.68
13 98.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.7% Chukchi @ 2.7
14 98.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.6% Koryak @ 2.7
15 69.1% Palestinian + 30.9% Armenian @ 2.71
16 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Oroqen @ 2.73
17 98.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.6% East_Greenlander @ 2.73
18 98.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.4% Evens @ 2.74
19 98.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.4% Evenki @ 2.74
20 98.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.4% Yakut @ 2.75
K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.95
2 West_Asian 21.2
3 Red_Sea 12.81
4 West_Med 9.6
5 Atlantic 4.61
6 South_Asian 3.22
7 Eastern_Euro 2.74
8 Northeast_African 2.23
9 North_Sea 1.31
10 Siberian 0.93
11 Sub-Saharan 0.71
12 Baltic 0.71
13 Amerindian 0.42
14 Southeast_Asian 0.3
15 Oceanian 0.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Syrian 3.02
2 Lebanese_Muslim 3.52
3 Samaritan 8.24
4 Jordanian 8.24
5 Lebanese_Christian 8.34
6 Cyprian 8.63
7 Kurdish_Jewish 8.64
8 Iranian_Jewish 8.84
9 Palestinian 9.1
10 Assyrian 10.39
11 Lebanese_Druze 10.79
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.1
13 Bedouin 12.3
14 Georgian_Jewish 13.53
15 Libyan_Jewish 13.55
16 Sephardic_Jewish 13.83
17 Turkish 14.14
18 Italian_Jewish 15.71
19 Algerian_Jewish 15.87
20 Azeri 16.11
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.1% Syrian + 40.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.46
2 83.1% Syrian + 16.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.5
3 84.3% Syrian + 15.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.57
4 86.7% Syrian + 13.3% Assyrian @ 2.59
5 91.9% Syrian + 8.1% Azeri @ 2.67
6 90.4% Syrian + 9.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.67
7 92.4% Syrian + 7.6% Kurdish @ 2.67
8 91% Syrian + 9% Turkish @ 2.69
9 67.1% Samaritan + 32.9% Azeri @ 2.69
10 91.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 8.5% Saudi @ 2.73
11 93% Syrian + 7% Armenian @ 2.76
12 89.8% Syrian + 10.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.77
13 93.8% Syrian + 6.2% Iranian @ 2.79
14 87.8% Syrian + 12.2% Cyprian @ 2.79
15 84.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 15.1% Bedouin @ 2.8
16 87.9% Syrian + 12.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.81
17 96.2% Syrian + 3.8% Turkmen @ 2.84
18 98.7% Syrian + 1.3% Selkup @ 2.86
19 61.6% Palestinian + 38.4% Turkish @ 2.88
20 98.8% Syrian + 1.2% Ket @ 2.88
StonyArabia
04-19-2018, 10:14 PM
I think he is part Turkic based on those results, it could explain the Alwaite and Alevi relationship. Alwaites though started in southern Iraq in Kufa but split from the main center body. Well Alevis started in Anatolia and Iran.
Sikeliot
04-19-2018, 10:16 PM
Try PuntDNA-L K13, Eurasia K9 ASI, and Near East Neolithic K13.
happycow
04-19-2018, 10:20 PM
very cool
Haider
04-19-2018, 10:43 PM
Near East Neolithic K13
gedrosia K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 25.82
2 CHG_EEF 22.95
3 NATUFIAN 20.72
4 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 18.79
5 EHG 3.61
6 SUB_SAHARAN 2.52
7 SIBERIAN 2.31
8 SE_ASIAN 1.25
9 PAPUAN 1.02
10 SHG_WHG 1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 6.25
2 Cypriot 7.31
3 Turkish_Adana 8.84
4 Turkish_Kayseri 8.86
5 Jew_iraqi 9.42
6 Druze 9.61
7 Syrian 10.17
8 Jew_Iranian 10.48
9 Jordanian 10.74
10 Assyrian 10.75
11 Jew_Moroccan 11.19
12 Armenian 11.78
13 Turkish_Trabzon 12.2
14 Jew_Tunisian 13.08
15 Azeri 13.18
16 Turkish 13.45
17 Jew_Libyan 13.82
18 Palestinian 14.14
19 Turkish_Aydin 14.23
20 Turkish_Istanbul 14.59
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Lebanese + 14% Armenia_MLBA @ 3.61
2 86.8% Lebanese + 13.2% Armenia_ChL @ 3.84
3 62.5% Lebanese + 37.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.11
4 76.7% Lebanese + 23.3% Turkish_Balekesir @ 4.16
5 72.2% Abkhasian + 27.8% Levant_N @ 4.28
6 87% Turkish_Kayseri + 13% Levant_N @ 4.31
7 74% Lebanese + 26% Turkish @ 4.37
8 81.4% Lebanese + 18.6% Balkar @ 4.44
9 75.5% Lebanese + 24.5% Turkish_Aydin @ 4.44
10 72.6% Lebanese + 27.4% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.56
11 76.7% Lebanese + 23.3% Turkish_Istanbul @ 4.63
12 86% Cypriot + 14% Iran_recent @ 4.7
13 64.6% Lebanese + 35.4% Turkish_Adana @ 4.72
14 83.7% Cypriot + 16.3% Iranian_Bandari @ 4.73
15 51.2% Assyrian + 48.8% Jew_Moroccan @ 4.74
16 71.9% Jew_Tunisian + 28.1% Armenia_MLBA @ 4.78
17 61.2% Jew_Tunisian + 38.8% Kurd_C @ 4.78
18 91.6% Lebanese + 8.4% Anatolia_ChL @ 4.79
19 83% Jew_Moroccan + 17% Iran_ChL @ 4.82
20 73.7% Georgian + 26.3% Levant_N @ 4.82
Mostly Levantine, unsurprisingly. I'm dying to see Bashar's DNA results, he looks pretty white for his ethnic and geographic background (I've seen a few other Syrians with blue eyes and brown hair on social media).
Gangrel
04-19-2018, 10:45 PM
Has a Turkic shift
Sikeliot
04-19-2018, 10:51 PM
They seem further from Europe than other Levantines even, there is not one calculator so far where they receive any Europeans in their top 20.
He seems like a regular Syrian. Not more Mesopotamian than the average.
He seems like a regular Syrian. Not more Mesopotamian than the average.
Do you have any Syrian Muslim results? I'd like to see some especially with specified regions like the north or the south. There's a considerable phenotypical difference between Syrians as far as I've noticed.
Do you have any Syrian Muslim results? I'd like to see some especially with specified regions like the north or the south. There's a considerable phenotypical difference between Syrians as far as I've noticed.
No but I'm trying to find some Mideasterners, but it's very difficult.
Haider
04-19-2018, 11:11 PM
I think he is part Turkic based on those results, it could explain the Alwaite and Alevi relationship. Alwaites though started in southern Iraq in Kufa but split from the main center body. Well Alevis started in Anatolia and Iran.
Extremely unlikely, this person has only known Alawite ancestors. And one is only considered Alawite if both their parents were Alawites. And they don't accept any kind of conversion.
Also Alevis and Alawites are not related. In terms of believes, the Turkish Alevis are a Muslim-Mystical/pagan hybrid while the Levantine Alawites are more like a Muslim-Christian hybrid.
Since this person has ancestry from North Lebanon and Coastal Syria it's only natural they are more West Asian-like.
Haider
04-19-2018, 11:28 PM
Try PuntDNA-L K13, Eurasia K9 ASI, and Near East Neolithic K13.
PuntDNAL K13 is the first I posted. Near East Neolithic K13 is also posted on the first page.
Eurasia K9:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 32.16
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 27.1
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 25.3
4 WHG 7.68
5 Siberian_E_Asian 2.86
6 W_African 2.76
7 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.12
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.62
2 Druze 5.79
3 Cypriot 6.58
4 Jordanian 6.79
5 Syrian 6.86
6 Iraqi_Jew 9.14
7 Georgian_Jew 11.46
8 Iranian_Jew 12.38
9 Turkish 12.59
10 Armenian 12.69
11 BedouinA 16.19
12 Azeri 17
13 Maltese 17.37
14 Kurd_N 17.86
15 Sicilian 18.53
16 Georgian 19.77
17 Iranian 19.87
18 Yemen 21.28
19 Abkhasian 21.7
20 Kumyk 21.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Lebanese + 9.4% Albanian @ 2.44
2 89.8% Lebanese + 10.2% Greek @ 2.46
3 95.7% Lebanese + 4.3% RISE_baKarasuk @ 2.49
4 90.9% Lebanese + 9.1% Tuscan @ 2.5
5 94.4% Lebanese + 5.6% Tatars @ 2.51
6 92.4% Lebanese + 7.6% Bulgarian @ 2.52
7 87.7% Lebanese + 12.3% Sicilian @ 2.53
8 95.6% Lebanese + 4.4% RISE_baSca @ 2.58
9 94.3% Lebanese + 5.7% French @ 2.61
10 95.5% Lebanese + 4.5% Russian @ 2.63
11 94.5% Lebanese + 5.5% French_South @ 2.63
12 87.4% Lebanese + 12.6% Maltese @ 2.63
13 95.8% Lebanese + 4.2% Finnish @ 2.63
14 93.6% Lebanese + 6.4% Spanish @ 2.63
15 94.5% Lebanese + 5.5% Hungarian @ 2.64
16 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Karelia @ 2.64
17 94.1% Lebanese + 5.9% Croatian @ 2.65
18 96% Lebanese + 4% RISE_baMezh @ 2.65
19 94.9% Lebanese + 5.1% Scottish @ 2.66
20 95.6% Lebanese + 4.4% RISE_baUne @ 2.68
Gangrel
04-19-2018, 11:29 PM
Extremely unlikely, this person has only known Alawite ancestors. And one is only considered Alawite if both their parents were Alawites. And they don't accept any kind of conversion.
Also Alevis and Alawites are not related. In terms of believes, the Turkish Alevis are a Muslim-Mystical/pagan hybrid while the Levantine Alawites are more like a Muslim-Christian hybrid.
Since this person has ancestry from North Lebanon and Coastal Syria it's only natural they are more West Asian-like.
He is consistently scoring 3%ish East Eurasian among all calculators
Syrians/Lebanese typically do not score any at all
He is consistently scoring 3%ish East Eurasian among all calculators
Syrians/Lebanese typically do not score any at all
We need to see his Dodecad K12b results (one of the best calcs to determine mongoloid admixture).
JQP4545
04-20-2018, 12:36 AM
Can you post his Dodecad k12b?
Sikeliot
04-20-2018, 12:38 AM
PuntDNAL K13 is the first I posted. Near East Neolithic K13 is also posted on the first page.
Eurasia K9:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 32.16
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 27.1
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 25.3
4 WHG 7.68
5 Siberian_E_Asian 2.86
6 W_African 2.76
7 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.12
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.62
2 Druze 5.79
3 Cypriot 6.58
4 Jordanian 6.79
5 Syrian 6.86
6 Iraqi_Jew 9.14
7 Georgian_Jew 11.46
8 Iranian_Jew 12.38
9 Turkish 12.59
10 Armenian 12.69
11 BedouinA 16.19
12 Azeri 17
13 Maltese 17.37
14 Kurd_N 17.86
15 Sicilian 18.53
16 Georgian 19.77
17 Iranian 19.87
18 Yemen 21.28
19 Abkhasian 21.7
20 Kumyk 21.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Lebanese + 9.4% Albanian @ 2.44
2 89.8% Lebanese + 10.2% Greek @ 2.46
3 95.7% Lebanese + 4.3% RISE_baKarasuk @ 2.49
4 90.9% Lebanese + 9.1% Tuscan @ 2.5
5 94.4% Lebanese + 5.6% Tatars @ 2.51
6 92.4% Lebanese + 7.6% Bulgarian @ 2.52
7 87.7% Lebanese + 12.3% Sicilian @ 2.53
8 95.6% Lebanese + 4.4% RISE_baSca @ 2.58
9 94.3% Lebanese + 5.7% French @ 2.61
10 95.5% Lebanese + 4.5% Russian @ 2.63
11 94.5% Lebanese + 5.5% French_South @ 2.63
12 87.4% Lebanese + 12.6% Maltese @ 2.63
13 95.8% Lebanese + 4.2% Finnish @ 2.63
14 93.6% Lebanese + 6.4% Spanish @ 2.63
15 94.5% Lebanese + 5.5% Hungarian @ 2.64
16 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Karelia @ 2.64
17 94.1% Lebanese + 5.9% Croatian @ 2.65
18 96% Lebanese + 4% RISE_baMezh @ 2.65
19 94.9% Lebanese + 5.1% Scottish @ 2.66
20 95.6% Lebanese + 4.4% RISE_baUne @ 2.68
Here we do get Sicily and Malta on their top 20 but it is pretty far down.
Haider
04-20-2018, 01:08 AM
Can you post his Dodecad k12b?
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.9
2 Southwest_Asian 20.81
3 Gedrosia 13.81
4 Atlantic_Med 13.1
5 Northwest_African 3.31
6 North_European 3.04
7 East_African 2.53
8 Southeast_Asian 1.22
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 Siberian 0.41
11 Sub_Saharan 0.33
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 4.37
2 Syrians (Behar) 8.04
3 Druze (HGDP) 9.6
4 Jordanians (Behar) 9.6
5 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 9.67
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.73
7 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 11.48
8 Assyrian (Dodecad) 12.4
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 12.41
10 Palestinian (HGDP) 12.56
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.68
12 Cypriots (Behar) 13.38
13 Turks (Behar) 13.74
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.99
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.82
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.03
17 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.33
18 Samaritians (Behar) 16.44
19 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 16.76
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.09
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 15.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.78
2 85% Lebanese (Behar) + 15% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.82
3 83.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.87
4 83.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.91
5 90% Lebanese (Behar) + 10% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.22
6 95.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.23
7 75.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 24.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.24
8 95.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.27
9 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.31
10 94.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.37
11 95.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.5% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.37
12 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.44
13 83.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.8% Turks (Behar) @ 3.45
14 83.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 16.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 3.45
15 95.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.5% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.46
16 93.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 6.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.46
17 83.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.52
18 83.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.67
19 96.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 3.4% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 3.72
20 96.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 3.4% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.72
StonyArabia
04-20-2018, 01:25 AM
Extremely unlikely, this person has only known Alawite ancestors. And one is only considered Alawite if both their parents were Alawites. And they don't accept any kind of conversion.
That's true, but I believe many Alwaites have shifted to mainstream 12erism especially due to the influence of Musa Sader, plus many of them have contacts with Najaf's clerks.
Also Alevis and Alawites are not related. In terms of believes, the Turkish Alevis are a Muslim-Mystical/pagan hybrid while the Levantine Alawites are more like a Muslim-Christian hybrid.
That's true, also Alwaites are older than Alevis. It's believed that the Alwaite sect originally started around Kufa, southern Iraq, but it never got a large following, so it's preachers moved into the Syrian coast where the population did consist largely of Christians. Alwaites also celebrate Xmas and Easter as important holidays to them. Alevis began in Iran/Anatolia and it was mix of Turkic and Iranian believes. However since many of the Qizilbash/Alevis in Iran adopted 12er mainstream believes, but those in Anatolia were isolated and developed their own traditions. Also there is the Bektashis who are Alevis, but they are more like Sufi order and accept converts, also mix of Sufi, Shia and Turkic believes.
Since this person has ancestry from North Lebanon and Coastal Syria it's only natural they are more West Asian-like.
That's true, but it's not his West Asian like ancestry, but rather shows Mongoloid influence which is very rare for Levantines to score which is interesting. From what I know some Syrian Turkmens are also Alevis, maybe due to common Islamic/Shia element they might intermix with each other. In Iraq there is Alevi like people called Shabaks they claim to descent from the Qizilbash, today they speak Zaza-Gorani but their scared writings are in Turkic that's identical to Azeri, though many of them have opted for 12er Shiaism. Iraqi Turkmens are mostly Sunni or 12er Shia. There used be to very small Alwaite Arab community in the far western regions of Iraq, they do have connection to the Alwaites in Syria.
JQP4545
04-20-2018, 02:19 AM
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.9
2 Southwest_Asian 20.81
3 Gedrosia 13.81
4 Atlantic_Med 13.1
5 Northwest_African 3.31
6 North_European 3.04
7 East_African 2.53
8 Southeast_Asian 1.22
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 Siberian 0.41
11 Sub_Saharan 0.33
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 4.37
2 Syrians (Behar) 8.04
3 Druze (HGDP) 9.6
4 Jordanians (Behar) 9.6
5 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 9.67
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.73
7 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 11.48
8 Assyrian (Dodecad) 12.4
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 12.41
10 Palestinian (HGDP) 12.56
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.68
12 Cypriots (Behar) 13.38
13 Turks (Behar) 13.74
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.99
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.82
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.03
17 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.33
18 Samaritians (Behar) 16.44
19 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 16.76
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.09
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 15.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.78
2 85% Lebanese (Behar) + 15% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.82
3 83.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.87
4 83.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.91
5 90% Lebanese (Behar) + 10% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.22
6 95.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.23
7 75.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 24.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.24
8 95.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.27
9 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.31
10 94.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 5.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.37
11 95.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.5% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.37
12 95.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.9% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.44
13 83.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.8% Turks (Behar) @ 3.45
14 83.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 16.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 3.45
15 95.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 4.5% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.46
16 93.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 6.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.46
17 83.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.52
18 83.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 16.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.67
19 96.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 3.4% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 3.72
20 96.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 3.4% Indian (Dodecad) @ 3.72
Interesting! Perhaps Ashkenazi aren't half European since his Southwest Asia score is pretty low for someone from the Levant. His Atalantic-Med score is also fairly high.
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