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FilhoV
04-21-2018, 08:19 PM
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T130774

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.03
2 West_Asian 18.27
3 West_Med 16.6
4 Red_Sea 11.52
5 North_Atlantic 11.14
6 Northeast_African 1.79
7 Baltic 1.47
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.22
10 Oceanian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tunisian_Jewish 6.49
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.31
3 Cyprian 7.53
4 Libyan_Jewish 7.58
5 Lebanese_Muslim 8.03
6 Syrian 9.08
7 Italian_Jewish 9.61
8 Algerian_Jewish 10.15
9 Samaritan 10.75
10 Palestinian 11.31
11 Jordanian 11.68
12 Lebanese_Christian 11.91
13 South_Italian 12.06
14 Lebanese_Druze 12.43
15 Ashkenazi 12.67
16 East_Sicilian 13.13
17 Central_Greek 14.47
18 Bedouin 15.3
19 Kurdish_Jewish 15.78
20 Iranian_Jewish 16.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 47.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.58
2 69.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.8
3 56.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.9% Syrian @ 2.82
4 77.1% Lebanese_Christian + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.96
5 76.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 23.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.98
6 76% Lebanese_Christian + 24% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.99
7 77.4% Lebanese_Christian + 22.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.05
8 76.5% Lebanese_Christian + 23.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
9 76.2% Lebanese_Christian + 23.8% Portuguese @ 3.09
10 85.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 14.2% Georgian @ 3.1
11 76.9% Lebanese_Christian + 23.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.15
12 61.3% Samaritan + 38.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.17
13 86.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 13.4% Abhkasian @ 3.19
14 77.4% Lebanese_Christian + 22.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.21
15 78.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 21.5% Armenian @ 3.23
16 78.5% Lebanese_Christian + 21.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.23
17 78.3% Lebanese_Christian + 21.7% French @ 3.24
18 82.3% Lebanese_Christian + 17.7% French_Basque @ 3.25
19 78.5% Lebanese_Christian + 21.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.26
20 81.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 18.4% Kurdish

Bornoz
04-21-2018, 08:20 PM
Why no Turkish Jew?

Leto
04-22-2018, 06:46 AM
Definitely closer to the ancient Israelites than the Ashkenazim.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.92
2 Atlantic_Med 20.83
3 Southwest_Asian 20.61
4 Gedrosia 10.24
5 Northwest_African 4.91
6 North_European 3.89
7 Southeast_Asian 0.81
8 East_African 0.78

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.3
2 Lebanese (Behar) 9.62
3 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.99
4 Cypriots (Behar) 11.62
5 Syrians (Behar) 12.12
6 Jordanians (Behar) 13.06
7 Druze (HGDP) 13.63
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.8
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.94
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.47
11 Palestinian (HGDP) 14.93
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.03
13 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 16.58
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.78
15 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.29
16 Turks (Behar) 17.98
17 Samaritians (Behar) 18.72
18 Assyrian (Dodecad) 18.88
19 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.96
20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 19.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 15.3% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 2.21
2 62.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 37.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.61
3 60.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 39.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.87
4 66.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 33.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.1
5 87.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 12.5% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.16
6 54.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 45.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.29
7 51.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.49
8 64.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 35.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.52
9 68.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 31.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.57
10 62.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 37.3% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.66
11 82.7% Lebanese (Behar) + 17.3% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.66
12 87.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 12.8% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 3.76
13 55.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 44.5% Syrians (Behar) @ 3.8
14 71.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 28.7% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 3.84
15 84.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 15.5% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 3.9
16 75.4% Druze (HGDP) + 24.6% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 3.92
17 66.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 33.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.95
18 84.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 15.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 3.96
19 76.3% Druze (HGDP) + 23.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 3.97
20 76.2% Druze (HGDP) + 23.8% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 3.97

Carlito's Way
04-23-2018, 10:19 PM
beautiful

Teucer
04-23-2018, 10:21 PM
I'm so surprised they have no affinity to Iberia

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:23 PM
This individual is pulled more towards the Middle East than most Sephardim though, in terms of genetics.

Leto
04-23-2018, 10:23 PM
I'm so surprised they have no affinity to Iberia
Yes, some believe they were heavily mixed with Iberians.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:24 PM
To the extent that they have European (which most do quite a bit), it usually is closest to Sicily, not Spain. However, note this does not mean they are the same.

StonyArabia
04-23-2018, 10:25 PM
This individual is pulled more towards the Middle East than most Sephardim though, in terms of genetics.

It's because Sephardim does not really mean ethnic Sephardic Jews, but rather those Jews who follow the Sephardic rite. There even some Yemenites who follow the Sephardic rite. However he could be Syrian Sephardim.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:27 PM
It's because Sephardim does not really mean ethnic Sephardic Jews, but rather those Jews who follow the Sephardic rite. There even some Yemenites who follow the Sephardic rite. However he could be Syrian Sephardim.

My guess would be that this is someone who is maybe mixed Syrian Jew and Moroccan Jew or something like that from the GEDMatch plot. Sephardic Jews also vary somewhat genetically (Moroccan, Tunisian, Bulgarian, Turkish, etc.) amongst themselves. Bulgarian Sephardim on GEDMatch are quite close to Ashkenazi Jews, Moroccans occupy an intermediate position and Tunisian Jews are closer to Levantine populations genetically.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:28 PM
It's because Sephardim does not really mean ethnic Sephardic Jews, but rather those Jews who follow the Sephardic rite. There even some Yemenites who follow the Sephardic rite. However he could be Syrian Sephardim.

It is likely this person is of at least partially (mostly?) ethnic Sephardic Jewish descent though, as Iraqi Jews and Yemeni Jews have their own clusters on many of the PCA plots. On this one, it looks l ike they have Kurdish Jews and Iranian, but not Iraqi. Yemeni Jews should be on here, but not in the top 20 populations for this individual.

Teucer
04-23-2018, 10:40 PM
They are so close to Cypriots despite being on the other side of the med. Amazing

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 10:42 PM
I'm so surprised they have no affinity to Iberia

Why should they? This just shows how little affinity Jews had with Iberians.

Teucer
04-23-2018, 10:43 PM
Why should they? This just shows how little affinity Jews had with Iberians.

Ashkenazis interbred with their European host nations. Why wouldn't the Sephardics?

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 10:48 PM
Ashkenazis interbred with their European host nations. Why wouldn't the Sephardics?
Probably Sefardis were more religious than Ashkenazis, idk. Or Spaniards more religious than other Europeans.
Or both things rather.

AK-47
04-23-2018, 10:51 PM
Ashkenazis interbred with their European host nations. Why wouldn't the Sephardics?
Ashkenazi Jews didn't really mix much at all with our host nations.
Ashkenazim formed our ethnic group with a base ethnicity of largely Israelite males and Roman female converts, that were closely related to modern northern Italians.
After that founding event we kept a genetically closed community, with a great deal of success.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:52 PM
The Sephardic Jewish community, when initially in Europe, was much larger than the Ashkenazi one, I suspect, and that is likely why. I don't know that Sephardim and Ashkenazi Jews came from the same group of folks in the Middle East at the same time. The sequencing is very difficult to figure out.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:53 PM
After an initial mixing event/s, Ashkenazi Jews had low levels of mixing with other Europeans. You can find some on identical by descent (IBD) tests, but it is really a pretty small percentage (10% on average I think). Ashkenazi Jews genetically have very little in common with the host populations they were among in central & eastern Europe.

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 10:54 PM
Why should they? This just shows how little affinity Jews had with Iberians.

Sephardics do have some Iberian blood, dude, and a lot of Iberians are descended from conversos.

AK-47
04-23-2018, 10:55 PM
After an initial mixing event/s, Ashkenazi Jews had low levels of mixing with other Europeans. You can find some on identical by descent (IBD) tests, but it is really a pretty small percentage (10% on average I think). Ashkenazi Jews genetically have very little in common with the host populations they were among in central & eastern Europe.
About sums it up.
To be crude, we're inbred as hell and have been marrying our extended families for centuries.:wink

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 10:57 PM
And I think the amount of mixing between Sephardic Jews and Spaniards was about the same as between Ashkenazi Jews and the populations they lived in, among Central and Eastern European. Sephardic Jews do have some matches with Iberians in IBD, but it's really not a lot.

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:02 PM
Sephardics do have some Iberian blood, dude, and a lot of Iberians are descended from conversos.

Yeah, and Americans descend of Nigerians.

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 11:04 PM
Yeah, and Americans descend of Nigerians.

Converso blood is dispersed in the Iberian population.

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:04 PM
Converso blood is dispersed in the Iberian population.
Yeah, and Nigerian blood among Americans.

AK-47
04-23-2018, 11:05 PM
What nation is this sample from?
This appears like a Sephardic Jew living in the MENA.


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 52.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 47.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.58

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 11:06 PM
Yeah, and Nigerian blood among Americans.

Most White Americans have no Nigerian blood. Almost all Iberians have some converso blood.

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:07 PM
Most White Americans have no Nigerian blood. Almost all Iberians have some converso blood.

No. Most white Americans have Nigerian blood. And a lot.

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 11:07 PM
No. Most white Americans have Nigerian blood. And a lot.

You're an idiot if you seriously believe this.

AK-47
04-23-2018, 11:08 PM
Yeah, and Nigerian blood among Americans.
DNA study shows 20 percent of Iberian population has Jewish ancestry ...
Dec 04, 2008 · Spain and Portugal have a history of fervent Catholicism, but almost a third of the population now turns out to have a non-Christian genetic heritage. About 20 percent of the current population of the Iberian Peninsula has Sephardic Jewish ancestry, and 11 percent bear Moorish DNA signatures, a team ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/world/europe/04iht-gene.4.18411385.html

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:09 PM
You're an idiot if you seriously believe this.
And you are other idiot if you seriously believe that of Spaniards and conversos.


DNA study shows 20 percent of Iberian population has Jewish ancestry ...
Dec 04, 2008 · Spain and Portugal have a history of fervent Catholicism, but almost a third of the population now turns out to have a non-Christian genetic heritage. About 20 percent of the current population of the Iberian Peninsula has Sephardic Jewish ancestry, and 11 percent bear Moorish DNA signatures, a team ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/world/europe/04iht-gene.4.18411385.html

Nice try, Jew. That study was debunked many years ago. They said everything was not r1b was Jewish :laugh:
Even the authors confirmmed it.

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 11:11 PM
And you are other idiot if you seriously believe that of Spaniards and conversos.



Nice try, Jew. That study was debunked many years ago. They said everything was not r1b was Jewish :laugh:
Even the authors confirmmed it.

Why are you so antisemitic?

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:12 PM
Why are you so antisemitic?

Because I am Spaniard :)

Bobby Martnen
04-23-2018, 11:12 PM
Because I am Spaniard :)

Taco boy.

MysteriousWays
04-23-2018, 11:14 PM
What nation is this sample from?
This appears like a Sephardic Jew living in the MENA.

I would guess someone of Libyan or Egyptian Jewish background, or perhaps half Syrian Jewish/half Moroccan Jewish or something like that.

Cristiano viejo
04-23-2018, 11:19 PM
Taco boy.

I said Spaniard, not American. I dont dream with Taco Bell like others, baby :laugh:

Leto
04-24-2018, 12:23 AM
After an initial mixing event/s, Ashkenazi Jews had low levels of mixing with other Europeans. You can find some on identical by descent (IBD) tests, but it is really a pretty small percentage (10% on average I think). Ashkenazi Jews genetically have very little in common with the host populations they were among in central & eastern Europe.
Yeah, just look at this Jew from Ukraine. Both his parents were born in Ukraine. Y-DNA - J1-M267

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.84
2 West_Med 19.97
3 North_Atlantic 16.85
4 Baltic 8.22
5 West_Asian 8
6 Red_Sea 5.49
7 Siberian 1.49
8 Oceanian 0.89
9 Amerindian 0.61
10 Northeast_African 0.48
11 East_Asian 0.13
12 Sub-Saharan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 4.62
2 Italian_Jewish 6.19
3 Algerian_Jewish 7.61
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.11
5 South_Italian 8.77
6 East_Sicilian 8.84
7 West_Sicilian 9.6
8 Central_Greek 10.15
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.74
10 Libyan_Jewish 11.65
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.84
12 Greek_Thessaly 13.64
13 Tuscan 15.07
14 Cyprian 15.69
15 Lebanese_Muslim 19.69
16 Samaritan 20.57
17 Syrian 20.85
18 Lebanese_Druze 21.14
19 Palestinian 21.33
20 North_Italian 21.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Ashkenazi + 36.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.59
2 91.4% Italian_Jewish + 8.6% East_Finnish @ 3.66
3 90.8% Italian_Jewish + 9.2% Belorussian @ 3.7
4 91.4% Italian_Jewish + 8.6% Estonian @ 3.71
5 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.73
6 91.4% Italian_Jewish + 8.6% Finnish @ 3.76
7 91.6% Italian_Jewish + 8.4% Lithuanian @ 3.76
8 90.3% Italian_Jewish + 9.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.78
9 91.1% Italian_Jewish + 8.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.82
10 91.2% Italian_Jewish + 8.8% Erzya @ 3.85
11 90.9% Italian_Jewish + 9.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
12 91.2% Italian_Jewish + 8.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.88
13 90% Italian_Jewish + 10% Ukrainian @ 3.89
14 90% Italian_Jewish + 10% South_Polish @ 3.95
15 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.95
16 90.7% Italian_Jewish + 9.3% Polish @ 3.95
17 90% Italian_Jewish + 10% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.03
18 88.6% Italian_Jewish + 11.4% Croatian @ 4.1
19 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% La_Brana-1 @ 4.15
20 88.4% Italian_Jewish + 11.6% Hungarian @ 4.18

I think he is even less than 50% European (the supposed Ashkenazi average). But the fact is that he is miles away from Slavic Ukrainians.

MysteriousWays
04-24-2018, 12:42 AM
^

This is a decent bit more Middle Eastern shifted than typical Ashkenazi Jew, but is well within reason.

Leto
04-24-2018, 12:47 AM
^

This is a decent bit more Middle Eastern shifted than typical Ashkenazi Jew, but is well within reason.
His Dodecad results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.75
2 Atlantic_Med 27.14
3 North_European 14.67
4 Southwest_Asian 14.19
5 Gedrosia 5.91
6 Northwest_African 4.6
7 East_Asian 1.38
8 East_African 0.22
9 Southeast_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.35
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.37
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.17
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.73
5 Greek (Dodecad) 9.38
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.55
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.08
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 11.24
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.69
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.38
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.18
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.56
13 Cypriots (Behar) 19.66
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.71
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.86
16 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.17
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.27
18 Lebanese (Behar) 22.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 22.07
20 Turks (Behar) 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 16.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.77
2 79.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 20.3% German (Dodecad) @ 1.96
3 83.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 16.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.02
4 78.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.39
5 80.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.67
6 80.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 19.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.73
7 66.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 33.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.91
8 65.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 34.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.99
9 81.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.6% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.06
10 82.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.06
11 81.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.5% English (Dodecad) @ 3.08
12 82% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.09
13 83.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 16.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.13
14 82.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.14
15 81.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 3.15
16 82.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.6% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.19
17 66% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 34% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.21
18 82.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.25
19 53% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 47% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.28
20 86.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.37

AK-47
04-24-2018, 12:58 AM
Where did OP get this kit number and how can he verify this is a Sephardic Jew?
The term Sephardic Jew is wildly abused and can be quite flexible.
Is OP claiming this is a Jew from Iberia?
Turkey?
Morocco?
Tunisia?
Plenty of posters come up with kit numbers and alleged ethnic grouping and many times the data hashes out more or less.
These numbers needs some more detail as to the nation of origin of the sample.
If not this thread is not useful at all.

MysteriousWays
04-24-2018, 01:00 AM
Leto, if I may ask, how about MDLP k23b and PuntDNAL k15?

MysteriousWays
04-24-2018, 01:01 AM
Where did OP get this kit number and how can he verify this is a Sephardic Jew?
The term Sephardic Jew is wildly abused and can be quite flexible.
Is OP claiming this is a Jew from Iberia?
Turkey?
Morocco?
Tunisia?
Plenty of posters come up with kit numbers and alleged ethnic grouping and many times the data hashes out more or less.
These numbers needs some more detail as to the nation of origin of the sample.
If not this thread is not useful at all.

Almost certainly Tunisian or Egyptian. But yes, Sephardic Jews vary a good bit more than Ashkenazi do depending on the origin of the sample.

AK-47
04-24-2018, 01:11 AM
Almost certainly Tunisian or Egyptian. But yes, Sephardic Jews vary a good bit more than Ashkenazi do depending on the origin of the sample.
True Sephardic Jews of Iberia and Ashkenazi Jews are fairly close genetically and have some substantial overlap.
Tunisian or Egyptian yes.
This guy is atypical for a Sephardic Jew of Iberia in my opinion.
Look at his sample compared to mine.
Granted I'm a bit NW Euro admixed, but still....

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.03
2 West_Asian 18.27
3 West_Med 16.6
4 Red_Sea 11.52
5 North_Atlantic 11.14
6 Northeast_African 1.79
7 Baltic 1.47
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.22
10 Oceanian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tunisian_Jewish 6.49
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.31
3 Cyprian 7.53
4 Libyan_Jewish 7.58
5 Lebanese_Muslim 8.03
6 Syrian 9.08
7 Italian_Jewish 9.61
8 Algerian_Jewish 10.15
9 Samaritan 10.75
10 Palestinian 11.31
11 Jordanian 11.68
12 Lebanese_Christian 11.91
13 South_Italian 12.06
14 Lebanese_Druze 12.43
15 Ashkenazi 12.67
16 East_Sicilian 13.13
17 Central_Greek 14.47
18 Bedouin 15.3
19 Kurdish_Jewish 15.78
20 Iranian_Jewish 16.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 47.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.58
2 69.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.8
3 56.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.9% Syrian @ 2.82
4 77.1% Lebanese_Christian + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.96
5 76.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 23.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.98
6 76% Lebanese_Christian + 24% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.99
7 77.4% Lebanese_Christian + 22.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.05
8 76.5% Lebanese_Christian + 23.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
9 76.2% Lebanese_Christian + 23.8% Portuguese @ 3.09
10 85.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 14.2% Georgian @ 3.1
11 76.9% Lebanese_Christian + 23.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.15
12 61.3% Samaritan + 38.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.17
13 86.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 13.4% Abhkasian @ 3.19
14 77.4% Lebanese_Christian + 22.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.21
15 78.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 21.5% Armenian @ 3.23
16 78.5% Lebanese_Christian + 21.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.23
17 78.3% Lebanese_Christian + 21.7% French @ 3.24
18 82.3% Lebanese_Christian + 17.7% French_Basque @ 3.25
19 78.5% Lebanese_Christian + 21.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.26
20 81.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 18.4% Kurdish


Me.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.42
2 North_Atlantic 21.7
3 West_Med 18.31
4 West_Asian 10.53
5 Baltic 10.42
6 Red_Sea 4.94
7 Sub-Saharan 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 5.69
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.09
3 Ashkenazi 6.73
4 East_Sicilian 6.78
5 Central_Greek 7.19
6 South_Italian 8.27
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.39
8 Tuscan 9.42
9 Italian_Jewish 11.41
10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.56
11 Algerian_Jewish 12.46
12 Tunisian_Jewish 15.54
13 North_Italian 15.58
14 Bulgarian 15.87
15 Libyan_Jewish 16.27
16 Romanian 17.43
17 Cyprian 19.81
18 Serbian 21.09
19 Lebanese_Muslim 22.6
20 Portuguese 23.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.2% Italian_Jewish + 26.8% Austrian @ 3.15
2 72.2% Italian_Jewish + 27.8% Hungarian @ 3.15
3 74.7% Italian_Jewish + 25.3% East_German @ 3.21
4 81.9% Ashkenazi + 18.1% French @ 3.22
5 86.5% Ashkenazi + 13.5% Southwest_English @ 3.24
6 87.1% Ashkenazi + 12.9% West_Scottish @ 3.28
7 86.1% Ashkenazi + 13.9% Southeast_English @ 3.29
8 87.1% Ashkenazi + 12.9% Irish @ 3.33
9 79.2% Italian_Jewish + 20.8% North_Swedish @ 3.34
10 81.1% Ashkenazi + 18.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.37
11 78.8% Italian_Jewish + 21.2% Swedish @ 3.41
12 86.9% Ashkenazi + 13.1% Orcadian @ 3.42
13 84.2% Ashkenazi + 15.8% South_Dutch @ 3.45
14 83.6% Ashkenazi + 16.4% West_German @ 3.48
15 60.4% Ashkenazi + 39.6% Tuscan @ 3.51
16 87% Ashkenazi + 13% North_Dutch @ 3.54
17 72.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 27.9% Hungarian @ 3.55
18 77% Italian_Jewish + 23% North_German @ 3.57
19 81.1% Ashkenazi + 18.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.58
20 80.6% Ashkenazi + 19.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.58

Leto
04-24-2018, 01:17 AM
Leto, if I may ask, how about MDLP k23b and PuntDNAL k15?
puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 40.21
2 Caucasian 21.71
3 NE_European 19.79
4 SW_Asian 10.23
5 Horn_Of_Africa 4.46
6 Beringian 1
7 E_Asian 0.98
8 Omo_River 0.91
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 S_Indian 0.1
11 W_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jew 2.01
2 Sicilian 2.82
3 Sephardic_Jew 4.23
4 Tuscan 10.13
5 Albanian 11.11
6 Greek_Central 11.11
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.36
8 Cypriot 17.1
9 Italian 17.18
10 Montenegrin 18.5
11 Brazilian 19.78
12 Bulgarian 20.19
13 Palestinian 20.65
14 Samaritian 20.9
15 Lebanese 20.97
16 Romanian 20.99
17 Turk_Kayseri 21.48
18 Portuguese 21.57
19 Macedonian 22.35
20 Iraqi_Jew 23.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99% Ashkenazy_Jew + 1% East_Greenlander @ 1.68
2 98.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 1.2% West_Greenlander @ 1.82
3 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Melanesian @ 1.84
4 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Chinese @ 1.84
5 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Japanese @ 1.85
6 98.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 1.1% Koryak @ 1.85
7 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Vietnamese @ 1.85
8 99.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.9% Filipino @ 1.86
9 99.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.9% Cambodian @ 1.87
10 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Singaporean @ 1.88
11 99.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.5% Papuan @ 1.89
12 99.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.6% AriBlackSmith @ 1.89
13 85.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 14.4% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.91
14 99.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.8% Burmese @ 1.91
15 99.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.9% Mongolian @ 1.92
16 97% Ashkenazy_Jew + 3% Cypriot @ 1.94
17 80.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 19.5% Sicilian @ 1.95
18 99.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 0.7% AriCultivator @ 1.95
19 97.7% Ashkenazy_Jew + 2.3% Samaritian @ 1.95
20 98.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 1.9% Libyan @ 1.96


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.56
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.77
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.63
4 Near_East 12.35
5 North_African 7.76
6 South_Central_Asian 6.99
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.55
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.26
9 Arctic 0.6
10 South_East_Asian 0.41
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian_West ( ) 3.94
2 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.42
3 Maltese ( ) 5.62
4 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 5.88
5 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.71
6 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 6.8
7 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.89
8 French_Jew ( ) 7.62
9 Turk_Jew ( ) 7.77
10 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 8.16
11 Italian_Jew ( ) 8.44
12 Sicilian_East ( ) 9.35
13 Libyan_Jew ( ) 9.63
14 Greek_Northwest ( ) 9.64
15 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 10.55
16 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 10.56
17 Bulgarian ( ) 10.61
18 Ashkenazi ( ) 10.91
19 Montenegrian ( ) 11.01
20 Macedonian ( ) 11.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 21.5% North_German ( ) @ 2.49
2 76.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 23.6% South_German ( ) @ 2.65
3 53.2% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 46.8% Portugese ( ) @ 2.65
4 81.6% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 18.4% Swede ( ) @ 2.67
5 82.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 17.8% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 2.68
6 80.7% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 19.3% Dane ( ) @ 2.69
7 84.1% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 15.9% Icelandic ( ) @ 2.7
8 79.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 20.8% Dutch ( ) @ 2.7
9 82.1% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 17.9% North_European ( ) @ 2.75
10 83.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 16.2% Norwegian_West ( ) @ 2.76
11 81.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 18.8% English ( ) @ 2.78
12 89.5% Sicilian_West ( ) + 10.5% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 2.79
13 95.1% Sicilian_West ( ) + 4.9% Moroccan ( ) @ 2.8
14 81.1% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 18.9% Irish ( ) @ 2.83
15 84.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 15.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 2.84
16 75.7% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 24.3% German-Volga ( ) @ 2.87
17 80.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 19.8% Belgian ( ) @ 2.92
18 83.3% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 16.7% CEU ( ) @ 2.92
19 94.7% Sicilian_West ( ) + 5.3% Tunisian ( ) @ 2.93
20 73.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 26.8% Austrian ( ) @ 2.93

MercifulServant
04-24-2018, 01:19 AM
edited

AK-47
04-24-2018, 01:20 AM
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 is a more accurate calculator in my opinion.
K13 is off by quite a bit in my opinion.
Moving on...

MercifulServant
04-24-2018, 01:22 AM
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 is a more accurate calculator in my opinion.
K13 is off by quite a bit in my opinion.
Moving on...

K15 has strange components that dont make sense like Eastern Euro. I prefer K13

MysteriousWays
04-24-2018, 01:25 AM
Eurogenes calculators are generally poor for Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. That's just the deal. Doesn't matter if it's k13 or k15. But it is good for most European populations.

AK-47
04-24-2018, 01:28 AM
Eurogenes calculators are generally poor for Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. That's just the deal. Doesn't matter if it's k13 or k15. But it is good for most European populations.
Agreed.
But for me I know K15 is giving me closer to accurate results.
On Mixed Mode Population Sharing they're more in the true ballpark.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.4% Cyprian + 43.6% West_German @ 3.28
2 53% French + 47% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.37
3 64.4% Cyprian + 35.6% West_Norwegian @ 3.51
4 50.5% Samaritan + 49.5% West_German @ 3.67
5 63.5% Cyprian + 36.5% Norwegian @ 3.78
6 63.6% Cyprian + 36.4% Orcadian @ 3.85
7 50.8% West_German + 49.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.88
8 55.5% Samaritan + 44.5% Southwest_English @ 3.96
9 54.2% Lebanese_Christian + 45.8% Southwest_English @ 3.98
10 50.2% Lebanese_Christian + 49.8% South_Dutch @ 4.04
11 61.4% Cyprian + 38.6% Southwest_English @ 4.05
12 75.4% Italian_Jewish + 24.6% Norwegian @ 4.05
13 75.4% Italian_Jewish + 24.6% Swedish @ 4.05
14 76.2% Italian_Jewish + 23.8% West_Norwegian @ 4.06
15 53.3% French + 46.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.07
16 75.5% Italian_Jewish + 24.5% North_Swedish @ 4.08
17 51.7% French + 48.3% Samaritan @ 4.08
18 62.6% Cyprian + 37.4% North_Dutch @ 4.13
19 51.5% Samaritan + 48.5% South_Dutch @ 4.14
20 61.8% Cyprian + 38.2% Southeast_English @ 4.27