Which is more accurate Genesis or Normal Gedmatch

[MercifulServant]

which one I get pretty different results

[Bobby Martnen]

Not sure. Probably Genesis, since it's newer though...

[MercifulServant]

Not sure. Probably Genesis, since it's newer though...

I thought normal gedmatch was newer. Do you get different results from each? I get really different results

[Bobby Martnen]

I thought normal gedmatch was newer. Do you get different results from each? I get really different results

My results are slightly different on the different ones. South Dutch is my first Eurogenes K15 population on Genesis, whereas on regular West German is my first Eurogenes K15 population.

[TeutonicBoyars]

Honestly I'm a bit concerned that these 'newer' calculators will make GEDmatch a totally unreliable service for me if they're ever merged. GEDMatch's normal calculators are reasonably accurate, but Genesis is just complete garbabge for me.

For example, on K15 my North Sea levels have been dropped considerably and now appear to have been added to my Atlantic scores. Furthermore, all of my Mediterranean and West Asian levels have also been dropped to a notable degree and appear to have been incorporated into the Eastern Euro category. I believe with these changes my kit is one of the most "Northern Euro" kits I have ever seen on GEDMatch - and my med scores are even lower than the Finnish or North-Swedish averages. As a result, my 4-way ancestors oracle predicts me to have absolutely ridiculous oracles given my background. My first closest 4 way mixture oracle is just Lithuanian and Basque. I have absolutely no known ancestry from these regions.

Genesis K13 is slightly better, but honestly not by much. My closest predictions are someone who is half Estonian Polish and Lithuanian, and half Galician Spanish + Danish.

Does anyone know if GEDMatch is also going to merge Genesis's calculators, or is it just the matching algorithm? Because like I said, if they're actually going to merge these calculators then I expect I, and possibly several other people, will find these calculators to be completely inaccurate from now on.

[Leto]

How the fuck can it be different if you upload the same raw data?

[MercifulServant]

How the fuck can it be different if you upload the same raw data?

My normal gedmatch and gedmatch genesis are very different

[TeutonicBoyars]

How the fuck can it be different if you upload the same raw data?

Yeah, I don't get it either. I tried comparing other people's kits between the sites and their results were more or less the same. However, there were a few, mine included, that gave different results. I didn't actually upload a new kit to the Genesis site, I just logged into my account regularly and entered my kit number. Maybe if I manually upload the raw data to GEDMatch Genesis it will correct the result?

[StonyArabia]

For me the results were more or less the same

[Thracian]

Genesis is better than Gedmatch. At least I plot with Romanians, Macedonians and Bulgarians instead of Greeks for some calculators. However, I have still some weird plots such as Swiss or Italian as well.

[Yaglakar]

the new 23andme chip is only compatible with genesis. I ordered 23andme recently. Currently, gedmatch is more accurate than genesis, at least this the impression i got from visiting various blogs and forums.

[Leto]

the new 23andme chip is only compatible with genesis. I ordered 23andme recently. Currently, gedmatch is more accurate than genesis, at least this the impression i got from visiting various blogs and forums.
Given your background I think you should've ordered FamilyFinder or MyHeritage instead.

[kaltar]

Normal Gedmatch

[Yaglakar]

Given your background I think you should've ordered FamilyFinder or MyHeritage instead.

could u elaborate on that?

[Dibran]

It is all based on sample data. Gedmatch Genesis as far as I know is newer and has fewer samples in its database for comparison.

For instance once calculator with my livingDNA file on Genesis said I was 90 percent Norwegian in 2-way pop mix, which is obviously horse shit. I would say Gedmatch for now is more accurate.

[Leto]

could u elaborate on that?
Well, it's more suited for Northern and Southern Europeans or maybe for Europeans in general. For example the Pashtun member Mingle is like 7/8 South Asian and 1/8 Middle Eastern on 23andme which doesn't say much about his ancestry. They simply include Afghanistan in the same group with Bangladesh. You can also check out this Hazara/Turkmen guy's results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234240-Afghan-Hazara-Turkmen-23andme-results
Almost 7% was left unassigned while Europeans and East Asians usually get less than 1% unassigned, sometimes even zero.
Also, FF and MH provide the best raw data judging by the amount of SNPs.

[TeutonicBoyars]

It is all based on sample data. Gedmatch Genesis as far as I know is newer and has fewer samples in its database for comparison.

Does this effect only oracles or also the admixture chart? Because on Genesis I get unusually high levels of Atlantic and East Europe and unusually low levels of west med, which obviously skews the oracles.

[TeutonicBoyars]

Also, FF and MH provide the best raw data judging by the amount of SNPs.

Interesting... Do these increased SNP counts result in significantly different calculations? I've been thinking for a while about trying a new DNA test, and I'd like to get my hands on one that has the best raw data file. Judging by comparisons in GEDmatch between AncestryDNA and 23andme, the results are practically the same. However, I have seen some peculiar results with LivingDNA, which gave one user an almost 5% variance in admixture runs in comparison to 23andme, which of course altered his oracles in an interesting way. Would the new version of FTDNA provide a similar result?

[Leto]

Interesting... Do these increased SNP counts result in significantly different calculations? I've been thinking for a while about trying a new DNA test, and I'd like to get my hands on one that has the best raw data file. Judging by comparisons in GEDmatch between AncestryDNA and 23andme, the results are practically the same. However, I have seen some peculiar results with LivingDNA, which gave one user an almost 5% variance in admixture runs in comparison to 23andme, which of course altered his oracles in an interesting way. Would the new version of FTDNA provide a similar result?
LivingDNA is crap, I don't pay attention to it. Yes, the raw data of FTDNA, MyHeritage and Ancestry give roughly the same results on GM with some minor variations (within 1 percent).

[Yaglakar]

Well, it's more suited for Northern and Southern Europeans or maybe for Europeans in general. For example the Pashtun member Mingle is like 7/8 South Asian and 1/8 Middle Eastern on 23andme which doesn't say much about his ancestry. They simply include Afghanistan in the same group with Bangladesh. You can also check out this Hazara/Turkmen guy's results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234240-Afghan-Hazara-Turkmen-23andme-results
Almost 7% was left unassigned while Europeans and East Asians usually get less than 1% unassigned, sometimes even zero.
Also, FF and MH provide the best raw data judging by the amount of SNPs.

Have you heard that they recently expanded to 150+ regions including all the stans? or am I not seeing something. They also provide Y-DNA and mtDNA. That is why I went for 23andme. I can still cancel the order though.

[Leto]

Have you heard that they recently expanded to 150+ regions including all the stans? or am I not seeing something. They also provide Y-DNA and mtDNA. That is why I went for 23andme. I can still cancel the order though.
Yeah, that's true, they pinpoint your possible countries of origin now. However, I'm afraid they'll still leave a significant percentage unassigned in your case. The fact that they provide you with basic haplogroups is definitely a big plus. The choice is yours anyway. By the way, FTDNA (Family Finder) is on sale now until April 28, it's only $49. If you are rich, go for both tests :D

[Pahli]

Have you heard that they recently expanded to 150+ regions including all the stans? or am I not seeing something. They also provide Y-DNA and mtDNA. That is why I went for 23andme. I can still cancel the order though.

If you want the whole package (y-, mt- and autosomal dna) then don't cancel your 23andme order, although it sucks that you didn't order few months ago before they released the V5 chip, since they test less amounts of SNPs compared to previous chips, where the V3 had the highest amounts of SNPs tested.

[RenaRyuguu]

Neither best tool is prob livingdna x ancestry merge shipping everywhere

[RenaRyuguu]

Because on gedmatch I am related to everyone and not everyone is my cousin I know who they are when I see them DUH