Serb racists and Albanians

[Mortimer]

They think that Albanians are not white. In old yugoslavia "siptar" was something like "cigan" etc. even today on stormfront they are not allowed I dont think its because of the americans but probably because of the many serbs, maybe greeks too. But Albanians are definitely white and european. Serbs invented they are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

[Gold-Shekel]

Yugoslavia was a Slavic nationalist state, it's logical there was discrimination against non-Slavs.

[Mortimer]

Yugoslavia was a Slavic nationalist state, it's logical there was discrimination against non-Slavs.

not really it was socialist, and everyone could be yugoslav, but some were secretly nationalist like seselj and he was in goli otok.

[renaissance12]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

[Mortimer]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

if you see it by religion then yes.

[Gold-Shekel]

not really it was socialist, and everyone could be yugoslav, but some were secretly nationalist like seselj and he was in goli otok.

Think about it, the anthem was a Pan-Slavic anthem, a lot of Communist songs referrence Slavdom. It wasn't a nationalist state as in" the state persecuting" non-Slavs but the state wanted to get its credibility over the fact that most people in Yugoslavia were Slavs (a bit like Baas party for Arabs). The state needed the Slavs to bond together over the fact they were Slavs to avoid trouble but it failed to establish "Yugoslav" as a superior identity to Serb, Croat, Slovene, Bosniak, etc. Albanians and Roma people were not focused on by the State as they weren't an obstacle of Yugoslavia's formation at first.

[Mortimer]

Think about it, the anthem was a Pan-Slavic anthem, a lot of Communist songs referrence Slavdom. It wasn't a nationalist state as in" the state persecuting" non-Slavs but the state wanted to get its credibility over the fact that most people in Yugoslavia were Slavs (a bit like Baas party for Arabs). The state needed the Slavs to bond together over the fact they were Slavs to avoid trouble but it failed to establish "Yugoslav" as a superior identity to Serb, Croat, Slovene, Bosniak, etc. Albanians and Roma people were not focused on by the State as they weren't an obstacle of Yugoslavia's formation at first.

could be that the core was based on slavdom but overall it was still inclusive. magyars, albanians and even roma could have been declared yugoslavs. and no one was allowed to insult the ethnicity of someone else. i also heard that there was alot of police etc. controlling and such.

[Crn Volk]

Actually Albanians are racist towards Slavs. Look at what’s happened to Kosovo Serbs. Also in Albania they have only recently recognised Slavic minorities in their state - Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosniaks and Bulgarians, whereas in Yugoslavia they had a province of their own (Kosovo) and were recognised minorities in Macedonia and Montenegro.

[Crn Volk]

They think that Albanians are not white. In old yugoslavia "siptar" was something like "cigan" etc. even today on stormfront they are not allowed I dont think its because of the americans but probably because of the many serbs, maybe greeks too. But Albanians are definitely white and european. Serbs invented they are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

Shka and Shkine are derogatory terms Albanians use for Slavs. I’m sure there are others. Some more on Slavophobia by Albanians;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment#Albania

[Solar]

They think that Albanians are not white. In old yugoslavia "siptar" was something like "cigan" etc. even today on stormfront they are not allowed I dont think its because of the americans but probably because of the many serbs, maybe greeks too. But Albanians are definitely white and european. Serbs invented they are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

First of all, my comment has nothing to do with Albanians or against Albanians.

What strikes me as odd and funny is that you are now speakiong about Serbs using words such as 'they' while you are LARPing as a Serb all the time. Ti nisi Srbin.

[Solar]

And yes, Albanians are quite 'discriminatory' against Serbs, especially in Kosovo where an 'apartheid' kind of thing exists. The term 'racist' is moronic in this context because I would not classify Albanians as being of another race, they are just another (and very mixed) European ethnicity. Among the Albanians many Albanized Serbs exist who have forgotten their language and have also adopted Albanian names.

They are also very agressive toward other Slavic groups such as the Gorani who are muslim, often consider themselves to be muslim Serbs but are heavily subjected to Albanization and also 'muslimification' (in the 'Bosniak' sense) in Sandzak.

[Solar]

Another thing;

This post strikes me as a simple provocation to create a conflict between Serbs and Albanians, done by a person of very mixed ancestry who feels kinda out of place. Stop this baiting, it offers no advantage or anything to Serbs or Albanians.

[Solar]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

I must counter such immense stupidity.

Origin of christianity is middle-eastern and its precursor is Judaism

Origin of islam is middle-eastern and its precursor is Judaism.

Conclusion? Both religions have no European but Semitic origins.

Someone from Bosnia who is muslim is still 100% European genetically, just not spiritually and culturally.

[Moje ime]

I must counter such immense stupidity.

Origin of christianity is middle-eastern and its precursor is Judaism

Origin of islam is middle-eastern and its precursor is Judaism.

Conclusion? Both religions have no European but Semitic origins.

Someone from Bosnia who is muslim is still 100% European genetically, just not spiritually and culturally.

If you consider religion as condition of how much someone is European culturally then no European is European but middle-eastern.

[Solar]

It's a bit more nuanced. If you pay close attention to orthodox and catholic christianity you will see that every single celebration is a pre-christian one. Even the orthodox icons the way they are Worshipped in our houses resemble pre-christian worship of Gods. I would say its a rather subdued form of European culture and that is a shame. Point is, a christian is not more 'European' than a European muslim.

[Bobby Martnen]

It's because Albanians are Moslem, that's why a lot of nationalist Europeans don't like them.

[Antimage]

They think that Albanians are not white. In old yugoslavia "siptar" was something like "cigan" etc. even today on stormfront they are not allowed I dont think its because of the americans but probably because of the many serbs, maybe greeks too. But Albanians are definitely white and european. Serbs invented they are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

I think albanians are superior to serbs because albanians have higher gedrosian admixture:
http://i59.tinypic.com/2r76ccw.gif

[Wrong]

So much shit in 1 thread by serbs, surely an obnoxious bunch.

[AtlantoMediterranean]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

Christianity comes from the Near East.
So it's 100% stupid.

[Wrong]

The term 'racist' is moronic in this context because I would not classify Albanians as being of another race, they are just another (and very mixed) European ethnicity. Among the Albanians many Albanized Serbs exist who have forgotten their language and have also adopted Albanian names.

Actually, the opposite is true, as supported by genetics. We can take Sandzak as one example, the male population carry overwhelmingly Albanian-specific yDNA. There's a Serbian site showing these results, poreklo.rs

Serbs differ radically in terms of autosomal results and haplogroups as per region, from South Serbia to Vojvodina.

[Hulu]

It's because Albanians are Moslem, that's why a lot of nationalist Europeans don't like them.

Bobby are you sure you're American? Americans usually say Muslim not Moslem. Sounds European to me.

[Kelmendasi]

And yes, Albanians are quite 'discriminatory' against Serbs, especially in Kosovo where an 'apartheid' kind of thing exists. The term 'racist' is moronic in this context because I would not classify Albanians as being of another race, they are just another (and very mixed) European ethnicity. Among the Albanians many Albanized Serbs exist who have forgotten their language and have also adopted Albanian names.

They are also very agressive toward other Slavic groups such as the Gorani who are muslim, often consider themselves to be muslim Serbs but are heavily subjected to Albanization and also 'muslimification' (in the 'Bosniak' sense) in Sandzak.
Really nigga, Albanians "very mixed" genetic evidence for that please? Albanians have shown to be the most homogenous ethnic group in Europe going by IBD sharing http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555 as well as the fact that Albanians seem to score 90-100% SE Euro in genetic tests. Also, the Albanians in Sanxhak are the ones being Slavicized not the other way round considering how many of the Albanians there only know how to speak Bosnian, the majority of Sanxhak "Bosniaks" belong to Albanian clades that stem from the Malsor clans such as Kelmendi which seems to be where most of the people stem from going by Ydna as E-V13>Z16988 is most prevalent, they also have oral traditions stating origin from northern Albania iirc.

[Wrong]

Really nigga, Albanians "very mixed" genetic evidence for that please? Albanians have shown to be the most homogenous ethnic group in Europe going by IBD sharing http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555 as well as the fact that Albanians seem to score 90-100% SE Euro in genetic tests. Also, the Albanians in Sanxhak are the ones being Slavicized not the other way round considering how many of the Albanians there only know how to speak Bosnian, the majority of Sanxhak "Bosniaks" belong to Albanian clades that stem from the Malsor clans such as Kelmendi which seems to be where most of the people stem from going by Ydna as E-V13>Z16988 is most prevalent, they also have oral traditions stating origin from northern Albania iirc.
This. And to mention the high % of J2b2-L283 & R1b-L23 among these Sanxhak "Bosniaks".

[Kelmendasi]

Not to speak of J2b2-L283 & R1b-L23 among them.
Most of the J2b2-L283 there is PH1751 which so far seems to be only found among Albanians and has a low TMRCA of 1150ybp so the only explanation is a spread of Albanians, the rest of the J2b2-L283 belongs to the Y23094 clades but specifically the one unique to the Albanians from Kelmend, Shkrel and Grude. As for R1b, vast majority of it is BY611 and specifically the Y33200 branch which is mainly found in Albania and has a low TMRCA of 1300ybp so like J2b2-PH1751, this clade also seems to suggest movement of Albanians.

[Hulu]

Most of the J2b2-L283 there is PH1751 which so far seems to be only found among Albanians and has a low TMRCA of 1150ybp so the only explanation is a spread of Albanians, the rest of the J2b2-L283 belongs to the Y23094 clades but specifically the one unique to the Albanians from Kelmend, Shkrel and Grude. As for R1b, vast majority of it is BY611 and specifically the Y33200 branch which is mainly found in Albania and has a low TMRCA of 1300ybp so like J2b2-PH1751, this clade also seems to suggest movement of Albanians.

Gotta love Albos, are able to turn lowbrow serb trolling into a genetics topic. Truly the difference of Old Europe and East Europe.

[Vožd]

Actually Albanians are racist towards Slavs. Look at what’s happened to Kosovo Serbs. Also in Albania they have only recently recognised Slavic minorities in their state - Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosniaks and Bulgarians, whereas in Yugoslavia they had a province of their own (Kosovo) and were recognised minorities in Macedonia and Montenegro.

Slavs are "invader on their land" :D

[Dibran]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

I’m whiter than you, Guinea fuck.

[Kelmendasi]

Slavs are "invader in their land" :D
Why the Slavs didn't invade the Balkans?

[ShenGjergj]

Actually Albanians are racist towards Slavs. Look at what’s happened to Kosovo Serbs. Also in Albania they have only recently recognised Slavic minorities in their state - Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosniaks and Bulgarians, whereas in Yugoslavia they had a province of their own (Kosovo) and were recognised minorities in Macedonia and Montenegro.

Towards Slavs? Not true.. Just mostly towards serbs only. Albanians during communist time had mutual friendship with Russians, during Yugoslavian War many volunteer went and fought for the slavic croats. So it's just not slavs in general. Also nowadays the slavs are the biggest tourists in Albania from Poland, Czech Rep, Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine.

[ShenGjergj]

Shka and Shkine are derogatory terms Albanians use for Slavs. I’m sure there are others. Some more on Slavophobia by Albanians;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment#Albania

The words "Shka and Shkij" were created by the Northern Albanians might have derived from the word "Schism" Albanian Highlanders are Catholics and in order to call their slavic Orthodox neighboors (the serbs) they used to call them this way.

[Wrong]

I’m whiter than you, Guinea fuck.

renaissance12 is the brother of Ethiopians, most likely carries a bunch of SSA:

The ancient Romans did not display any hard core race prejudice.
The African or better the "Aethiops," in the Roman Empire worked, lived without fear of racial animosity.
Not all Africans in Rome were slaves, or servants. On the contrary, some were writers, generals...
One general of legendary Roman Theban Legion was Aethiops...

[Dibran]

Actually Albanians are racist towards Slavs. Look at what’s happened to Kosovo Serbs. Also in Albania they have only recently recognised Slavic minorities in their state - Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosniaks and Bulgarians, whereas in Yugoslavia they had a province of their own (Kosovo) and were recognised minorities in Macedonia and Montenegro.

Last time I checked, Serbs have killed more Slavs than Albanians. Is it any wonder you're all broken into separate nations whilst so called "terrorist Muslim" Albanians are still standing shoulder to shoulder with their Catholic and Christian brothers? Also, before the oppression, Albanians had no issue with Serbs. So I can understand racism in retaliation to oppression. Pray tell me how I should understand racism for the sake of racism? thats the difference between you and us. Also you have constantly shit on minority rights in your country, so practice before you preach. Pretty soon you will recognize your Bulgarian identity if not a new Albanian one, if you keep treating your neighbors like dogs.

The thing about fear mongering is, the illusion you fear will come to life if your actions keep supporting those fears. Eventually we will act upon your fears. And you will be in big trouble. So play nice. At the rate we have children you won't exist into the future much longer. Get to the love making my friend.

[Vožd]

Why the Slavs didn't invade the Balkans?

Slavs come to Balkan, not to Albanian lands.

[Jana]

not really it was socialist, and everyone could be yugoslav, but some were secretly nationalist like seselj and he was in goli otok.

Šešelj was on naked island ? Really ? Never heard about it.

[Kamal900]

Albanians are 70% muslim and 30% Christian... so Albanians are 70% arab and 30% white European..

:picard1:

As if all Arabs are Muslims..we have Christians and even atheists, you know -__-

[Kelmendasi]

Slavs come to Balkan, not to Albanian lands.
Really? What about the Slavic tribes that tried to settle in South and North Albania? The Slavs overran the lands of which the ancestors of the Albanians inhabited

[Vožd]

Really? What about the Slavic tribes that tried to settle in South and North Albania? The Slavs overran the lands of which the ancestors of the Albanians inhabited

What about Albanias that settled Kosovo and almost whole south Serbia?

[Bobby Martnen]

Bobby are you sure you're American? Americans usually say Muslim not Moslem. Sounds European to me.

Moslem is a more old-fashioned spelling that I use on purpose to show that I'm a proud Westerner.

[Dibran]

Slavs come to Balkan, not to Albanian lands.

Most evidence seems to support their original home being from Northern Albanian up to Southern Serbia. So in a way you did come to Albanian lands. If you just respected your Majority Albanian province though, you would have never lost it. Alas its our "fault" why your nation spread genocide and chaos.

[Wrong]

Bobby are you sure you're American? Americans usually say Muslim not Moslem. Sounds European to me.
For a Grab The Gauge fanatic, Bobby's quite the anti-Albanian.

[Hulu]

Moslem is a more old-fashioned spelling that I use on purpose to show that I'm a proud Westerner.

You sound like a senior citizen living in a nursing home

[Kelmendasi]

What about Albanias that settled Kosovo and almost whole south Serbia?
Why don't you just answer the question but instead you try and counter it with another question.... Anyways, it is most probable that Albanians have been in Kosovo or the Moesia area since the Proto-Albanians were about as shown by how the homeland of the Albanians is sometimes suggested to be in the Dardania region of Moesia which as you should know encompasses Kosovo and some of the neighboring areas, you also forget that the ancestors of the Albanians were living in Kosovo before any Slav stepped foot on the Balkans. Albanians were present in Kosovo before the tribal migrations although the tribal migrations did boost the numbers, this is shown by how some of the Albanians in Kosovo that belong to a certain clan actually belong to different Ydna haplogroups suggesting assimilation into the clan system.

[Hulu]

Serbs came like the weed invading Albanian lands - wheat, little by little till they claimed the whole Dardania. Just like Menas are doing today in Europe

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1DS0bTaU_jc/UJGtUtFtQYI/AAAAAAAADDo/Re7QlRWmG_E/s1600/wheat+vs+tares+001.jpg

[Bobby Martnen]

You sound like a senior citizen living in a nursing home

Because the world was better in the olden days. Nowadays, Westerners are forced to accept Moslems as "part of our society", even though they're not really.

Same thing with birth control. It turns women into vile harlots, but we're supposed to accept it as "women's rights". Miss me with that gay shit.

[Vožd]

Most evidence seems to support their original home being from Northern Albanian up to Southern Serbia. So in a way you did come to Albanian lands. If you just respected your Majority Albanian province though, you would have never lost it. Alas its our "fault" why your nation spread genocide and chaos.

What evidences?
Your medieval states never was northern than Drim river. And also medieval censuses confirm what i talking about.


Why don't you just answer the question but instead you try and counter it with another question Anyways, it is most probable that Albanians have been in Kosovo or the Moesia area since the Proto-Albanians were about as shown by how the homeland of the Albanians is sometimes suggested to be in the Dardania region of Moesia which as you should know encompasses Kosovo and some of the neighboring areas, you also forget that the ancestors of the Albanians were living in Kosovo before any Slav stepped foot on the Balkans. Albanians were present in Kosovo before the tribal migrations although the tribal migrations did boost the numbers, this is shown by how some of the Albanians in Kosovo that belong to a certain clan actually belong to different Ydna haplogroups suggesting assimilation into the clan system.

Albanians dont exist in Moesia time. Ancestors of Serbs also lived in Kosovo and other parts, since Serbs asimilated bunch of Vlachs.
And i dont talking about ancestors (no Serbs or Albanians can claiming Balkan native people) i talking about Albanian migration far later. Point is that you dont like Slavs becouse they come in Balkan, but you see nothing wrong about Albanian spreading in neighboor lands.

[Vožd]

Serbs came like the weed invading Albanian lands - wheat, little by little till they claimed the whole Dardania. Just like Menas are doing today in Europe

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1DS0bTaU_jc/UJGtUtFtQYI/AAAAAAAADDo/Re7QlRWmG_E/s1600/wheat+vs+tares+001.jpg

Dont be like Albanian trolls.
When Slavs come, Dardania not exist, and on this land lived Vlachs, not Albanians.

[Wrong]

What evidences?
Your medieval states never was northern than Drim river. And also medieval censuses confirm what i talking about.



Albanians dont exist in Moesia time. Ancestors of Serbs also lived in Kosovo and other parts, since Serbs asimilated bunch of Vlachs.
And i dont talking about ancestors (no Serbs or Albanians can claiming Balkan native people) i talking about Albanian migration far later. Point is that you dont like Slavs becouse they come in Balkan, but you see nothing wrong about Albanian spreading in neighboor lands.
Albanian ethnogenesis was in North Albania & Serbia, and with recent Ancient DNA finds, their ancestors were also found to be among native population of the Adriatic coast and Dinaric highlands.

Plus these maps:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Theoretical_map_of_Romanian_origins.png

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/genealogy/images/a/a7/Romanian_origins_map.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20071116091149

[Miki]

Dont be like Albanian trolls.
When Slavs come, Dardania not exist, and on this land lived Vlachs, not Albanians.

Then you woke up.

[Moje ime]

Most evidence seems to support their original home being from Northern Albanian up to Southern Serbia. So in a way you did come to Albanian lands. If you just respected your Majority Albanian province though, you would have never lost it. Alas its our "fault" why your nation spread genocide and chaos.

Albanians are first time mentioned in 13 century. Slavs came in 7 century, that means 600 years before you were even mentioned.

And all that was happening before 1000+years! You all should go back to reality and stop living in these bullshit fairytales.

And reality is that you were bastards towards Serbs in last 100 years, although you got a civilized country to live in and human rights that you even didn't have in your Albania, but you misused that.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

For a Grab The Gauge fanatic, Bobby's quite the anti-Albanian.

To make matter worse the guy is also partial Arbresh but not like Arbresh we know of.

[Wrong]

Albanians are first time mentioned in 13 century. Slavs came in 7 century, that means 600 years before you were even mentioned.

And all that was happening before 1000+years! You all should go back to reality and stop living in these bullshit fairytales.

And reality is that you were bastards towards Serbs in last 100 years, although you got a civilized country to live in and human rights that you even didn't have in your Albania, but you misused that.
Everything you posted since you registered have been lies, simply put. You should work on your realism as you are completely devoid of it.

[Dibran]

Everything you posted since you registered have been lies, simply put. You should work on your realism as you are completely devoid of it.

13th Century LMAO. God retardation is a hard burden to carry. Especially when you don't actually have the extra chromosome. Budale Ime at it again.

[Vožd]

Albanian ethnogenesis was in North Albania & Serbia, and with recent Ancient DNA finds, their ancestors were also found to be among native population of the Adriatic coast and Dinaric highlands.

Plus these maps:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Theoretical_map_of_Romanian_origins.png

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/genealogy/images/a/a7/Romanian_origins_map.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20071116091149

Even is this true, whats point? Serbs first settled today Rascian region and parts of Hezegovina and Montenegro. There was no Albanians when they come to Kosovo.
Also is this true, this mean you invaded today south Albania, so you are also invader and land stealers like Slavs?

[Kelmendasi]

What evidences?
Your medieval states never was northern than Drim river. And also medieval censuses confirm what i talking about.



Albanians dont exist in Moesia time. Ancestors of Serbs also lived in Kosovo and other parts, since Serbs asimilated bunch of Vlachs.
And i dont talking about ancestors (no Serbs and Albanians exist in this time) i talking about Albanian migration far later. Point is that you dont like Slavs becouse they come in Balkan, but you see nothing wrong about Albanian spreading in neighboor lands.
You should give up this belief that north Albania was Slavic as it's hopeless for you, the Albanians are believed to originate in the areas of north Albania and Kosovo also you must be pretty dumb to believe that just because there were no kingdom there automatically were no Albanians and btw the Albanian Dukagjini were north of the Drin, plus the Slavs are noted as having come across the Albanians in the basin of the Bojana which is in north Albania/Shkoder. What do you mean "Albanians didn't exist in Moesia time"? Linguistic analysis already proves that our ethnogenesis post-dates Rome, and btw there is no such thing as "Moesia time" as Moesia is just a region. Albanians were in the Dardania before the tribal migrations and since the Roman era, some of the Albanian nobles were even born in Kosovo which in of itself hints at an Albanian presence. I don't hate Slavs, I just don't like it when you act as if we are some sort of foreigners in the region when in fact we pre-date you here. Read this, it's done by Eric Hamp who is a linguist that analysed Albanian http://groznijat.tripod.com/balkan/ehamp.html.

[Dibran]

Even is this true, whats point? Serbs first settled today Rascian region and parts of Hezegovina and Montenegro. There was no Albanians when they come to Kosovo.
Also is this true, this mean you invaded today south Albania, so you are also invader and land stealers like Slavs?

The difference is, if we took South Albania, it happened in the ancient past. You committed Genocide quite fresh and recent. Learn the difference budal.

[Moje ime]

Everything you posted since you registered have been lies, simply put. You should work on your realism as you are completely devoid of it.

You should read better.

[Wrong]

You should read better.
This applies to you. Take some time to browse and reflect over your posting history, 900 posts since February, all of it spreading lies about your neighbors, despite how bizarre the lies are.

[Kelmendasi]

Albanians are first time mentioned in 13 century. Slavs came in 7 century, that means 600 years before you were even mentioned.

And all that was happening before 1000+years! You all should go back to reality and stop living in these bullshit fairytales.

And reality is that you were bastards towards Serbs in last 100 years, although you got a civilized country to live in and human rights that you even didn't have in your Albania, but you misused that.
Oh shut up will you. You must be retarded to believe that just because Albanians weren't mentioned earlier on they never existed at the time, linguistic analysis confirms that our language was present during the Roman era and perhaps before we also have genetics to back up the fact that we have always been here. "Bastards towards Serbs" what the hell is this bs lol...

[Moje ime]

13th Century LMAO. God retardation is a hard burden to carry. Especially when you don't actually have the extra chromosome. Budale Ime at it again.

Mysterious Ilyrs are not Albanias, 1000 years is between mentioning of you and them in Byzantine data, their genetic is among all other Balkan people, stop claiming ownership of something that don't belong to, only partially.

[Moje ime]

Oh shut up will you. You must be retarded to believe that just because Albanians weren't mentioned earlier on they never existed at the time, linguistic analysis confirms that our language was present during the Roman era and perhaps before we also have genetics to back up the fact that we have always been here. "Bastards towards Serbs" what the hell is this bs lol...

Read my next post, yes you were terrorizing Serbs on Kosovo forcing them to move from there for decades, don't be naive.

[Dibran]

Oh shut up will you. You must be retarded to believe that just because Albanians weren't mentioned earlier on they never existed at the time, linguistic analysis confirms that our language was present during the Roman era and perhaps before we also have genetics to back up the fact that we have always been here. "Bastards towards Serbs" what the hell is this bs lol...

The thing is, Albanians were actually mentioned as early as the 9th-10th Century. Despite having already been there earlier under different name. She literally just added 3 centuries and is relying on the stupidity of the rest of her kin to just run along with it.

[Kelmendasi]

Even is this true, whats point? Serbs first settled today Rascian region and parts of Hezegovina and Montenegro. There was no Albanians when they come to Kosovo.
Also is this true, this mean you invaded today south Albania, so you are also invader and land stealers like Slavs?
Albanians were recorded just at small percentages, btw you do know that any old Orthodox person was usually referred to as Serb? The Albanians migrated to the rest of Albania during the late Roman era if the theory that we originated around the north is correct, but there is still a massive chance that a lot of the people there were also Albanians but the demographics could have been different

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Serbs came in Balkans almost at same period with Mortimer relatives - gypsies, nothing really set apart from historical perspective, even the form how they came down here resemble nomadic gypsies.......thought useful to remind this to deluded cult Vozd and moje ime since they pretend to have came in Balkans first and that in 6th AD. :D

[Wrong]

Mysterious Ilyrs are not Albanias, 1000 years is between mentioning of you and them in Byzantine data, their genetic is among all other Balkan people, stop claiming ownership of something that don't belong to, only partially.
Nothing Illyrian about Serbians, sorry.

Albanians, despite Serbian protest have been proven to be the descendants of the Illyrians through DNA analysis.

Remember Prokletije? The only population fit enough to live up there are the Albanians(Illyrians).

[Vožd]

Oh shut up will you. You must be retarded to believe that just because Albanians weren't mentioned earlier on they never existed at the time, linguistic analysis confirms that our language was present during the Roman era and perhaps before we also have genetics to back up the fact that we have always been here. "Bastards towards Serbs" what the hell is this bs lol...

If you whole time in Balkan, how everyone miss to mention you?
Even "Serb invader" is mentioned several times, but you never, how is it possible?

[Miki]

Read my next post, yes you were terrorizing Serbs on Kosovo forcing them to move from there for decades, don't be naive.
You are full of shit.
It's not that Serbs migrated by their free wish in other parts of Yugoslavia because of the central government in Belgrade would not invest anything in Kosovo? Just saying, you should know better. It's bad to speculate the contemporary history because it's well documented.

[Dibran]

Mysterious Ilyrs are not Albanias, 1000 years is between mentioning of you and them in Byzantine data, their genetic is among all other Balkan people, stop claiming ownership of something that don't belong to, only partially.

The word Slav literally didn't exist until the migration period. We supposed to believe you materialized out of thin air you fucking mongoloid?

I don't have to mention Illyrians. Arbanon are referenced much earlier than your arrival any way. Albanians have the most paleo-balkan DNA in the Balkans. Including Haplogroups. Read some genetics papers you dirty tampon.

[Wrong]

Even is this true, whats point? Serbs first settled today Rascian region and parts of Hezegovina and Montenegro. There was no Albanians when they come to Kosovo.
Also is this true, this mean you invaded today south Albania, so you are also invader and land stealers like Slavs?
It is all true as it turned out.

South Albania is still a mystery to be uncovered.

[cyberlorian]

They think that Albanians are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

LOL :)

[Kelmendasi]

Mysterious Ilyrs are not Albanias, 1000 years is between mentioning of you and them in Byzantine data, their genetic is among all other Balkan people, stop claiming ownership of something that don't belong to, only partially.
Oh lord... Illyrians or Thraco-Illyrians(Dardanians) are the most probable ancestors of Albanians going by linguistics and genetics. Again, the date of being recorded doesn't mean date of origin only a fool would actually believe that it did. Their genetics are found in other Balkanites but not as much as in Albanians who are the closest to the ancient Balkan samples alongside Greeks and score 90-100% Balkan plus the fact that our main haplogroups are directly from them going by the ancient samples in Croatia, you lot on the other hand are in majority Slavic going by Ydna. We are the closest modern thing to Illyrians or any other non-Hellenic Paleo-Balkan population just learn to stop being offended by this

[Moje ime]

Nothing Illyrian about Serbians, sorry.

Albanians, despite Serbian protest have been proven to be the descendants of the Illyrians through DNA analysis.

Remember Prokletije? The only population fit enough to live up there are the Albanians(Illyrians).


Really? You have Ilyrian samples for test?

[Kelmendasi]

Read my next post, yes you were terrorizing Serbs on Kosovo forcing them to move from there for decades, don't be naive.
Oh but you Serbs were all innocent weren't you.......

[Wrong]

Really? You have Ilyrian samples for test?
http://i64.tinypic.com/2wcmq10.jpg

[Miki]

If you whole time in Balkan, how everyone miss to mention you?
Even "Serb invader" is mentioned several times, but you never, how is it possible?

What are you even up about? Is there any documented Albanian migration? xD

[Kelmendasi]

Really? You have Ilyrian samples for test?
J2b2-L283 sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia. E1b-L618 sample from Neolithic Dalmatia and R1b-Z2103 sample from Bronze Age Vucedol sample

[Vožd]

Albanians were recorded just at small percentages, btw you do know that any old Orthodox person was usually referred to as Serb? The Albanians migrated to the rest of Albania during the late Roman era if the theory that we originated around the north is correct, but there is still a massive chance that a lot of the people there were also Albanians but the demographics could have been different

Wrong. Nobody called Bulgarians, Greeks etc. as Serbs. Its not synonymes.
We dont know anything about this migration.

[Wrong]

J2b2-L283 sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia. E1b-L618 sample from Neolithic Dalmatia and R1b-Z2103 sample from Bronze Age Vucedol sample
All of them combined forming the Illyrian culture.

[Vožd]

Serbs came in Balkans almost at same period with Mortimer relatives - gypsies, nothing really set apart from historical perspective, even the form how they came down here resemble nomadic gypsies.......thought useful to remind this to deluded cult Vozd and moje ime since they pretend to have came in Balkans first and that in 6th AD. :D

Roma people come with Ottomans mostly.

[Moje ime]

You are full of shit.
It's not that Serbs migrated by their free wish in other parts of Yugoslavia because of the central government in Belgrade would not invest anything in Kosovo? Just saying, you should know better. It's bad to speculate the contemporary history because it's well documented.

See documentary Stolen Kosovo and Serb witnesses testimonials that was happening during 80s.

[Kelmendasi]

If you whole time in Balkan, how everyone miss to mention you?
Even "Serb invader" is mentioned several times, but you never, how is it possible?
Why would Sheep herders be recorded? They started to be recorded due to them wanting to gain autonomy in Byzantium which caused them to rebel. You must be lacking in brain cells to think that we originate somewhere away from the Balkans

[Kelmendasi]

All of them combined forming the Illyrian culture.
The J2b2-L283 guy fits in with the dating of Illyrians.

[Wrong]

Gegs the highest Atlantic_Mediterranean admixture in Eastern Europe... "KAVKAAAAAAAAZ... ARABS......!!"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg

[Moje ime]

Oh but you Serbs were all innocent weren't you.......

What Serbs did to you during 80s? Did those Older people (because Serbs always had less children) took your land by forcing you to sell it or opposite??

[Dibran]

Why would Sheep herders be recorded? They started to be recorded due to them wanting to gain autonomy in Byzantium which caused them to rebel. You must be lacking in brain cells to think that we originate somewhere away from the Balkans

Its a simple thing really. If they accept the truth that Albanians predated their arrival. Then, they have to accept Kosova was originally Albanian. It is because of this, no matter how many sources and genetic data you show, they will cry lies. Even if we weren't Illyrians as some Serbs claim by saying the YDNA predated Illyrian arrival, it just makes them look more retarded for admitting Albanians could have been there before Illyrians. See, their arguments always collapse on themselves. They then change course of discussion to seem relevant.

[Kelmendasi]

What Serbs did to you during 80s? Did those Older people (because Serbs always had less children) took your land by forcing you to sell it or opposite??
Didn't you know that during the 1980s was when the main tensions began to build up, Milosevic lessened Kosovo's autonomy during the time. Oh shut up about the "Forcing you to sell" bs

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Roma people come with Ottomans mostly.

Great achievement because you managed somehow to came just a few century before gypsies came, still that and others made you literally gypsies of those times, nothing useful did came from your migration just a regression in every possible department, better if you stayed put in swamps of Ukraine.

[Moje ime]

Didn't you know that during the 1980s was when the main tensions began to build up, Milosevic lessened Kosovo's autonomy during the time. Oh shut up about the "Forcing you to sell" bs

He returned it to what was before 1974 Tito's silly decision.

Now tell me what did you lose then? A language, school what?

That what I know is you always wanted a Kosovo REPUBLJIK. But it is illegal you know

[Vožd]

[...

Why you think this is Illyrian?
Illyrians probbaly was only language group, not even full cultural, especially not genetical.
This hg is probbably from Albanian migrants in Dalmatia during 18th century (they croatized later).
https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi

[Kelmendasi]

He returned it to what was before 1974 Tito's silly decision.

Now tell me what did you lose then? A language, school what?

That what I know is you always wanted a Kosovo REPUBLJIK. But it is illegal you know
Albanians were being fired randomly among other things. We don't want Kosovo to be a republic, we want it to become part of Albania but a republic is better than being a part of Serbia

[Wrong]

Why you think this is Illyrian?
Illyrians probbaly was only language group, not even full cultural, especially not genetical.
This hg is probbably from Albanian migrants in Dalmatia during 18th century (they croatized later).
https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi
Get some brains, servozombie, it's dated approx 1500-1600BC.

[Dibran]

Why you think this is Illyrian?
Illyrians probbaly was only language group, not even full cultural, especially not genetical.
This hg is probbably from Albanian migrants in Dalmatia during 18th century (they croatized later).
https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi

You have issues with reading comprehension? The sample that Albanians descend date to Bronze Age, and Neolithic Balkan samples. Eons before you rolled through.

See your argument might hold if Albanians didn't belong in majority to E-V13, J2b2, or R1b. The fact is theres more than enough evidence for it. You just need to take your Srpska blinders off.

[Kelmendasi]

Why you think this is Illyrian?
Illyrians probbaly was only language group, not even full cultural, especially not genetical.
This hg is probbably from Albanian migrants in Dalmatia during 18th century (they croatized later).
https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi
Are you retarded? The Albanians in Dalmatia originally came from Albanian villages in Montenegro and northern Albania. Illyrians were a group of people that had a similar language and culture, we can obviously say what genetics Illyrians had an what they passed on

[Miki]

Silly serb Moja Ime come up with:"Kosovo is serbia, go watch this documentary bla bla" this is how irrational people get when they lack reliable sources and historical evidence, ALBANIANS ARE NOT WHITE :D bla bla bla

[Vožd]

Great achievement because you managed somehow to came just a few century before gypsies came, still that and others made you literally gypsies of those times, nothing useful did came from your migration just a regression in every possible department, better if you stayed put in swamps of Ukraine.

Arround 10 actually.
But you come in northern lands just few decades before...
Nothing usefull? What is usefull from your presence?

[Moje ime]

Albanians were being fired randomly among other things. We don't want Kosovo to be a republic, we want it to become part of Albania but a republic is better than being a part of Serbia

Like I said you wanted that for decades, don't be surprised why Serbia had response for you and probably those Albanians who were speaking loudly about this separatist ideas.

I told you word "Kosovo RepubLJik" is known even from 80s, that means last 40years.

[Kelmendasi]

Arround 10 actually.
But you come in northern lands just few decades before...
Nothing usefull? What is usefull from your presence?
We were in the north since our formation and before you, get used to it

[Wrong]

You have issues with reading comprehension? The sample that Albanians descend date to Bronze Age, and Neolithic Balkan samples. Eons before you rolled through.

See your argument might hold if Albanians didn't belong in majority to E-V13, J2b2, or R1b. The fact is theres more than enough evidence for it. You just need to take your Srpska blinders off.
These servozombies are avoiding logical discussions.

[Moje ime]

Silly serb Moja Ime come up with:"Kosovo is serbia, go watch this documentary bla bla" this is how irrational people get when they lack reliable sources and historical evidence, ALBANIANS ARE NOT WHITE :D bla bla bla

Blablabla go and watch, there are a people from Kosovo, Serbian people who speak what they experienced from you in last 40 years at least.

[Dibran]

Like I said you wanted that for decades, don't be surprised why Serbia had response for you and probably those Albanians who were speaking loudly about this separatist ideas.

I told you word "Kosovo RepubLJik" is known even from 80s, that means last 40years.

The thing is. Greeks have been trying to break off southern Albanian for generations, and we literally did nothing to them.

Serbs must be big pussies if they let words dictate their actions for genocide....

Must have been some scary kids and elderly to make Serbs go ballistic.

[Kelmendasi]

These servozombies are avoiding logical discussions.
Their only arguments are "YOU WEREN"T RECORDED UP UNTIL 13TH CENTURY" "ILLYRIAN GENETICS IS ALL OVER BALKAN THUS U ARENT ILLYRIAN". It isn't surprising considering how their schools still teach that Albanians are from the Caucasus and that Skanderbeg was a Serb noble

[Moje ime]

The thing is. Greeks have been trying to break off southern Albanian for generations, and we literally did nothing to them.

Serbs must be big pussies if they let words dictate their actions for genocide....

Must have been some scary kids and elderly to make Serbs go ballistic.

So are you saying you just liked to sing a songs about Kosovo RepubLJik?

[Dibran]

These servozombies are avoiding logical discussions.

What else can they do? They know deep down its true. They would have nothing to argue if they admitted it. They gotta keep the lie going. Despite the evidence.

[Vožd]

Are you retarded? The Albanians in Dalmatia originally came from Albanian villages in Montenegro and northern Albania. Illyrians were a group of people that had a similar language and culture, we can obviously say what genetics Illyrians had an what they passed on

I mean, this hg in Dalmatia is maybe spreded by Albanian migrant, not some Illyrian stuff is this point of map?

[Kelmendasi]

Blablabla go and watch, there are a people from Kosovo, Serbian people who speak what they experienced from you in last 40 years at least.
What about the Albanians that have had family members killed or houses burnt do they not matter as much as the Serbs who suffered?

[Dibran]

So are you saying you just liked to sing a songs about Kosovo RepubLJik?

You're giving me a brain aneurysm with your inconsistency. Stay on topic please.

[Kelmendasi]

I mean, this hg in Dalmatia is maybe spreded by Albanian migrant, not some Illyrian stuff is this point of map?
Oh lord have mercy, the sample is from the Bronze Age nigga

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Arround 10 actually.
But you come in northern lands just few decades before...
Nothing usefull? What is usefull from your presence?

Do you know to count nigga? Or perhaps your alternate history teaching are to be blamed even here?

More than you'd think of, Balkans would be more homogeneous, culturally similar, at same time more calm as result of this, no pesky serbs to have here around scream 'kosovo je srbijaaa cccc do tokija' madness.

[Wrong]

I mean, this hg in Dalmatia is maybe spreded by Albanian migrant, not some Illyrian stuff is this point of map?
J2b2-L283 was found in a Bronze Age tomb at an Illyrian fortress at Veliki Vanik, Dalmatian Hinterlands..

[Dibran]

I mean, this hg in Dalmatia is maybe spreded by Albanian migrant, not some Illyrian stuff is this point of map?

Wrong and me replied the same answer to you. Are you so dumb you need it spelled out a third time? How the fuck can those hg be from the 18th century when the ancient samples they descend from were found in the Balkans in the Neolithic and Bronze age!

You want it in Serbian? Oh technology....

Wrong i ja sam odgovorio na isti odgovor tebi. Da li ste tako glupi da vam je to potrebno treći put? Kako jebote mogu biti ti ljudi iz KSVIII veka kada su drevni uzorci koje su spustili nađeni na Balkanu u neolitičkom i bronzanskom dobu!

[Moje ime]

Their only arguments are "YOU WEREN"T RECORDED UP UNTIL 13TH CENTURY" "ILLYRIAN GENETICS IS ALL OVER BALKAN THUS U ARENT ILLYRIAN". It isn't surprising considering how their schools still teach that Albanians are from the Caucasus and that Skanderbeg was a Serb noble

It doesn't matter if you have greatest amount of these genes or not today, thing is that you were not called Albanians anywhere up to 13 century. That means no Albanian nation or people did not exist, no culture, nothing.

Slavs were always Slavs, one name, one culture, one people, one language, one line to have claim for origin

[Kelmendasi]

Robt e motra ma banen kryt pershesh

[Kelmendasi]

It doesn't matter if you have greatest amount of these genes or not today, thing is that you were not called Albanians anywhere up to 13 century. That means no Albanian nation or people did not exist, no culture, nothing.

Slavs were always Slavs, one name, one culture, one people, one language, one line to have claim for origin
Well then you are retarded, plain and simple nothing more to say. I guess all those historians, geneticist and linguists that point to an origin during the Roman era are all stupid when compared to your superior Slavic knowledge

[Moje ime]

You're giving me a brain aneurysm with your inconsistency. Stay on topic please.

You should shake your brain a bit about this topic, that is true.

I said you did not just "sing a songs" about RepubLJic but you did acts to get it like terror act against your Serb neighbours and that happened massively in 1980s last 40 years at least. Understand?

[Wrong]

It doesn't matter if you have greatest amount of these genes or not today, thing is that you were not called Albanians anywhere up to 13 century. That means no Albanian nation or people did not exist, no culture, nothing.

Slavs were always Slavs, one name, one culture, one people, one language, one line to have claim for origin


We can call ourselves Martian, but we still descend from Illyrians and other Paleo-Balkan people many times more than Servs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSaXPybWAAA6IuR.jpg

[Moje ime]

Well then you are retarded, plain and simple nothing more to say. I guess all those historians, geneticist and linguists that point to an origin during the Roman era are all stupid when compared to your superior Slavic knowledge

So why da hell you changed the name? Why would you do that?

After you answer go back to reality and last century happenings.

[Vožd]

Their only arguments are "YOU WEREN"T RECORDED UP UNTIL 13TH CENTURY" "ILLYRIAN GENETICS IS ALL OVER BALKAN THUS U ARENT ILLYRIAN". It isn't surprising considering how their schools still teach that Albanians are from the Caucasus and that Skanderbeg was a Serb noble

Leave Serbian schools alone, i dont remember anything about Albanian origin ih history books. Contrary today schools mention Albanians as native. Book from 2013. was almost like your propaganda: http://www.intermagazin.rs/po-udzenicima-srbi-su-zauzeli-albanske-teritorije/

Truly problem is your education, full of crap.
Every Albanian i saw in internet write about "Slavic Carpathian stealer of Albanian lands" lol

[Dibran]

It doesn't matter if you have greatest amount of these genes or not today, thing is that you were not called Albanians anywhere up to 13 century. That means no Albanian nation or people did not exist, no culture, nothing.

Slavs were always Slavs, one name, one culture, one people, one language, one line to have claim for origin

You apparently don't know much about your own people either. The term Slav was coined in the 17th Century. The term Sklava, or Sklavenoi, were the tribal unit you mostly descend. There were others called Antes, culturally East Slavic, whom never used the word as an identification.

Using your reasoning, Slavs showed up 300 years ago...

See how retarded you are?

Women are capable of great things. I am afraid you're not one of them.

Back to the kitchen and make some Serbian man happy.

[Moje ime]

You apparently don't know much about your own people either. The term Slav was coined in the 17th Century. The term Sklava, or Sklavenoi, were the tribal unit you mostly descend. There were others called Antes, culturally East Slavic, whom never used the word as an identification.



Sklava is similar with Slav but Ilyrs is not with Albanians.

[Kelmendasi]

So why da hell you changed the name? Why would you do that?

After you answer go back to reality and last century happenings.
Damn this makes my brain hurt... You do realize that there was an Illyrian tribe inhabiting northern Albania going by the name of Albani and that the old name by which we called ourselves was "Arben/Arber" which stems from the root "Alban" as suggested by linguists and Shqiptar is a recent ethnonym created to show who was an Albanian speaker or not as Shqiptar most likely means "those that speak like us" or something similar, stemming from the Latin "Excipere" which denotes people that speak the same language. By this logic then why did the Russian or other Slavs that aren't called Slovene or Serb change their names?

[Dibran]

Sklava is similar with Slav but Ilyrs is not with Albanians.

You never called yourselves even Sklava either. Thats merely the word for which people think the term is originated. Sklaveni was an umbrella term used for all those peoples. They all identified themselves quite differently. Including the Antes. Just stop whilst you're ahead. You keep making yourself look dumber and dumber.

You have the White Croats. Antes. Dragubiti, Baiouniti. You want more names you called yourselves by?

Sklavenoi is what Greeks used for you.

[Wrong]

So why da hell you changed the name? Why would you do that?

After you answer go back to reality and last century happenings.
In fact, we never changed it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi

The Albanoi (Ancient Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language): Ἀλβανοί, Albanoi; Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language): Albanët) or Albani were an Illyrian tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_tribe) whose first historical account appears in a work of Ptolemy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy) in addition to a town called Albanopolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis) (Ἀλβανόπολις) located east of the Ionian sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_sea), in modern-day Albania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-Smith1857-1)

Ptolemy's mention in 150 AD places them in the Roman province of Macedon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Roman_province)), specifically in Epirus Nova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_Nova), almost 300 years after the Roman conquest of the region.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-2) Ptolemy himself makes no hint of their true ethnic identification, and he does not clarify whether the citizens of Albanopolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis) were Illyrians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians), Macedonians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians) or Thracians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians), all of which are distinct possibilities. However from the names of places with which Albanopolis is connected, it appears clearly to have been in the southern part of the Illyrian territory, and in the center of modern Albania, an area inhabited by the Illyrians at the time.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-3)

[Vožd]

Do you know to count nigga? Or perhaps your alternate history teaching are to be blamed even here?

More than you'd think of, Balkans would be more homogeneous, culturally similar, at same time more calm as result of this, no pesky serbs to have here around scream 'kosovo je srbijaaa cccc do tokija' madness.

For Balkan cultural differences is mostly guilty great powers and their empires.
Becaose of them, Slavs is also very different between each others.

[Kelmendasi]

Sklava is similar with Slav but Ilyrs is not with Albanians.
Illyrian is an umbrella term made by the Greeks to denote their northern neighbors that shared a similar language to each other, and it's based from an Illyrian tribe called Illyri/Iliri. Albani is pretty close to Albanians don't you think....

[Vožd]

In fact, we never changed it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi

The Albanoi (Ancient Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language): Ἀλβανοί, Albanoi; Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language): Albanët) or Albani were an Illyrian tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_tribe) whose first historical account appears in a work of Ptolemy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy) in addition to a town called Albanopolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis) (Ἀλβανόπολις) located east of the Ionian sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_sea), in modern-day Albania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-Smith1857-1)

Ptolemy's mention in 150 AD places them in the Roman province of Macedon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Roman_province)), specifically in Epirus Nova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_Nova), almost 300 years after the Roman conquest of the region.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-2) Ptolemy himself makes no hint of their true ethnic identification, and he does not clarify whether the citizens of Albanopolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis) were Illyrians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians), Macedonians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians) or Thracians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians), all of which are distinct possibilities. However from the names of places with which Albanopolis is connected, it appears clearly to have been in the southern part of the Illyrian territory, and in the center of modern Albania, an area inhabited by the Illyrians at the time.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi#cite_note-3)

lol
You call yourself "Šćiptar", never what start with "Alban"

[Dibran]

Illyrian is an umbrella term made by the Greeks to denote their northern neighbors that shared a similar language to each other, and it's based from an Illyrian tribe called Illyri/Iliri. Albani is pretty close to Albanians don't you think....

Lmao stop you're going to hurt her brain.

[Kelmendasi]

Leave Serbian schools alone, i dont remember anything about Albanian origin ih history books. Contrary today schools mention Albanians as native. Book from 2013. was almost like your propaganda: http://www.intermagazin.rs/po-udzenicima-srbi-su-zauzeli-albanske-teritorije/

Truly problem is your education, full of crap.
Every Albanian i saw in internet write about "Slavic Carpathian stealer of Albanian lands" lol
Your education is truly problem.
Really and how is the claim that Slavs came from the Carpathians and tried to take land that inhabited Albanians false? Last time I checked it is agreed by Scholars that you expanded from the region between Poland and Ukraine and you did try to settle in Albania. I was raised in the UK btw so I was taught in an English school

[Wrong]

lol
You call yourself "Šćiptar", never nothing what start with "Alban"
Serboi from the Caucas, descended from the Sarbans in far Asia. Mixed with White Polaks later on

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSaXPybWAAA6IuR.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

lol
You call yourself "Šćiptar", never nothing what start with "Alban"
We called ourselves "Arben" before Shqiptar, and as stated before it comes from the root "Alban"

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Every Albanian i saw in internet write about "Slavic Carpathian stealer of Albanian lands" lol

And where's the historical inaccuracy here? It's well documented event and self explanatory to claim just that, for sure you took someone else's land and it were exactly Albanians who were here before you came in hence why you will hear that, how can we say otherwise, we ain't serbs to live up on delusional history of heavenly people teachings, we rely on well based historical record and science just like every nation should, better start applying you too because doesn't kill you in return.

[Dibran]

lol
You call yourself "Šćiptar", never nothing what start with "Alban"

Thats a disgusting way to spell it. If you were educated you would know that term was used for the people by Skanderbeg himself. The one you claim as "Serb". Before which, we were called Albani/Arberor/Arberesh.

[Moje ime]

Ok can we back to reality now and specifically 1980s since I didn't get answer about what you did back then to Serbs in Kosovo.

[Wrong]

We called ourselves "Arben" before Shqiptar, and as stated before it comes from the root "Alban"
Shqiptar is a rather new endonym, 200-300 years or so.

[Kelmendasi]

Ok can we back to reality now and specifically 1980s since I didn't get answer about what you did back then to Serbs in Kosovo.
You really do like changing the subject whenever you get beaten in that subject

[Dibran]

You really do like changing the subject whenever you get beaten in that subject

It is the Serbia way. Red Herring overload. Shes going to think I am talking about fish now, lmao.

[Moje ime]

You really do like changing the subject whenever you get beaten in that subject

I'm not history and haplogroup expert but I will not trust to Albanians on this topic, that is for sure.

More useful would be to talk about recent happenings, don't you think?

[Ujku]

hahahha o zot , moje ime you never fail to amuse me.

[Dibran]

I'm not history and haplogroup expert but I will not trust to Albanians on this topic, that is for sure.

More useful would be to talk about recent happenings, don't you think?

Lol. Dumb bitch. Literally all the data that was shown to you is not even reported by Albanians. Thats the level of stupid you have reached. Stop with the red herrings. we're not buying it.

[Ujku]

We need ma boi Laberia on this thread.

A battle between him and moje ime would of been EPIC.

[Kelmendasi]

I'm not history and haplogroup expert but I will not trust to Albanians on this topic, that is for sure.

More useful would be to talk about recent happenings, don't you think?
Oh shit den, but would you be willing to trust the Serbs of the Serbian DNA project who say the same? Ik moj bythqime mutit se boll fole

[Moje ime]

Lol. Dumb bitch. Literally all the data that was shown to you is not even reported by Albanians. Thats the level of stupid you have reached. Stop with the red herrings. we're not buying it.

Call your mother a dumb bitch. That is all you know to say when you don't have answer to most important question from reality. Fuck haplogroups.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

For Balkan cultural differences is mostly guilty great powers and their empires.
Becaose of them, Slavs is also very different between each others.

Partially maybe yes but not entirely, you should also seek the fault in you aswell, because grabbing someone else's land would come with long term consequence, you wanted ours but didn't like when we raised up and protest about it, Kosovo is just one piece of puzzle why we hadn't had a peaceful relations with you, or you with the rest.

[Kelmendasi]

hahahha o zot , moje ime you never fail to amuse me.
Ma ka ba kryt mut o vlla

[Moje ime]

Oh shit den, but would you be willing to trust the Serbs of the Serbian DNA project who say the same? Ik moj bythqime mutit se boll fole

No. I will investigate myself.

Nothing from reality and last 40years on Kosovo, right?

[Dibran]

Call your mother a dumb bitch. That is all you know to say when you don't have answer to most important question from reality. Fuck haplogroups.

All I heard from you was "Fuck the evidence, and reality. Lets get back to my fantasy which has no proof"

[Ujku]

Call your mother a dumb bitch. That is all you know to say when you don't have answer to most important question from reality. Fuck haplogroups.

Genetics in general is a great way to disprove stupid claims from people like you.

[Kelmendasi]

Call your mother a dumb bitch. That is all you know to say when you don't have answer to most important question from reality. Fuck haplogroups.
Yh fuck haplogroups just because they disprove each and everyone of your statements, nice way to deal with being butthurt.

[Vožd]

Really and how is the claim that Slavs came from the Carpathians and tried to take land that inhabited Albanians false? Last time I checked it is agreed by Scholars that you expanded from the region between Poland and Ukraine and you did try to settle in Albania. I was raised in the UK btw so I was taught in an English school

As i said Serbs settled regions populated by Vlachs, not Albanians. And whats point if this lands was populated by Albanians (if they even existed in this time)?
This is not about how they "try to steal something", they had to settled somewhere and they before choose Balkan. Setling other lands is not only Slav thing.
You ever heard for greate migrations in Europe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

[Kelmendasi]

No. I will investigate myself.

Nothing from reality and last 40years on Kosovo, right?
Yh nice way to cope I guess, shut up about 40 years nobody gives a shit apart from you

[Vožd]

Serboi from the Caucas, descended from the Sarbans in far Asia. Mixed with White Polaks later on

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSaXPybWAAA6IuR.jpg

lol you use Deretić's story.

[Dibran]

As i said Serbs settled regions populated by Vlachs, not Albanians. And whats point if this lands was populated by Albanians (if they even existed in this time)?
This is not about how they "try to steal something", they had to settled somewhere and they before choose Balkan. Setling other lands is not only Slav thing.
You ever heard for greate migrations in Europe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

By Haplogroups, and linguistic sharing, Vlachs are considered to descend from a common ancestor that they and Albanians split from. Again, your arguments continue to collapse upon themselves.

[Moje ime]

All I heard from you was "Fuck the evidence, and reality. Lets get back to my fantasy which has no proof"

It has still live proofs, Serbs from Kosovo and videos with testimonials. Also my own knowledge of Kosovo RepubLJik mentioning and how long it lasts. Ilyrs are not live anymore as your proof.

[Kelmendasi]

As i said Serbs settled regions populated by Vlachs, not Albanians. And whats point if this lands was populated by Albanians (if they even existed in this time)?
This is not about how they "try to steal something", they had to settled somewhere and they before choose Balkan. Setling other lands is not only Slav thing.
You ever heard for greate migrations in Europe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
But yet Albanians are recorded, great logic m8. The point is that you aimed at removing Albanian presence in the area and make it into a Serbian piece of land.

[Kelmendasi]

It has still live proofs, Serbs from Kosovo and videos with testimonials. Also my own knowledge of Kosovo RepubLJik mentioning and how long it lasts. Ilyrs are not live anymore as your proof.
What about the testimonials made by Albanians? or is that fake news and propaganda...

[Moje ime]

Yh nice way to cope I guess, shut up about 40 years nobody gives a shit apart from you

Of course nobody gives a shit for reality, let's forget what you do in reality and talk about some Slavs and Ilyrs who are dead for 1000 years.

[Moje ime]

What about the testimonials made by Albanians? or is that fake news and propaganda...

From what year?

[Kelmendasi]

Of course nobody gives a shit for reality, let's forget what you do in reality and talk about some Slavs and Ilyrs who are dead for 1000 years.
I think you are misusing the word "reality", Illyrians are part of reality as they existed in this reality of ours, the time doesn't matter.

[Kelmendasi]

From what year?
1980-90s

[Dibran]

Of course nobody gives a shit for reality, let's forget what you do in reality and talk about some Slavs and Ilyrs who are dead for 1000 years.

You literally ignored reality this whole thread(and probably your whole life). Its like “the pot calling the kettle black.” At least spell Illyrians correctly. Its even worse you claim to have their blood and can't properly spell their name. Thats also a name Greeks gave them. Again you know very little. Do yourself a favor. Get some real history. Preferably one not written by Serbs. Then come and speak.

[Ujku]

It has still live proofs, Serbs from Kosovo and videos with testimonials. Also my own knowledge of Kosovo RepubLJik mentioning and how long it lasts. Ilyrs are not live anymore as your proof.

obobobobo je kungull fare...nuk mbush asnje cik....

[Moje ime]

1980-90s

I don't know about them.

I just know that number of Serbs decreased and number of Albanians increased in those years.

[Dibran]

I don't know about them.

I just know that number of Serbs decreased and number of Albanians increased in those years.

Yea, its called we fuck like rabbits, and your men have trouble getting up. Oj Budale ime.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know about them.

I just know that number of Serbs decreased and number of Albanians increased in those years.
Then why talk if you don't know lol

[Vožd]

Partially maybe yes but not entirely, you should also seek the fault in you aswell, because grabbing someone else's land would come with long term consequence, you wanted ours but didn't like when we raised up and protest about it, Kosovo is just one piece of puzzle why we hadn't had a peaceful relations with you, or you with the rest.

Oh yes, "grabing" land of mountain shepherds is big crime lol
Vlachs dont even had lands or states, they was cultural very inferior compared to Slavs, this is reasons why Slavs asimilated them. But Slavs was not even cultural developed, so its telling you how natives was extremly primitive lol

[Kelmendasi]

Yea, its called we fuck like rabbits, and your men have trouble getting up. Oj Budale ime.
Yh apparently we are to blame about how many children they have

[Dibran]

Yh apparently we are to blame about how many children they have

Like in Macedonia. Fertility rates plummeting and Albanian fertility up 300 percent. We're smart. We don't like bloodshed. Love making and time will take care of the rest. I even read an article a while back, before the language bill, where the president was urging Macedonians to have more children lmao,.

[Moje ime]

You literally ignored reality this whole thread(and probably your whole life). Its like “the pot calling the kettle black.” At least spell Illyrians correctly. Its even worse you claim to have their blood and can't properly spell their name. Thats also a name Greeks gave them. Again you know very little. Do yourself a favor. Get some real history. Preferably one not written by Serbs. Then come and speak.

What about Thracians? You forgot them.

[Kelmendasi]

Oh yes, "grabing" land of mountain shepherds is big crime lol
Vlachs dont even had lands or states, they was cultural very inferior compared to Slavs, this is reasons why Slavs asimilated them. But Slavs was not even cultural developed, so its telling you how natives was extremly primitive lol
Now you are trying to justify the taking of lands that weren't yours, it's still someone else's land m8. Slavs assimilated them due to them being small in numbers and belonging to the same faith

[Dibran]

What about Thracians? You forgot them.

Lol. you love changing the subject.

[Moje ime]

Yea, its called we fuck like rabbits, and your men have trouble getting up. Oj Budale ime.

Not just about that but about emigration of Serbs from Kosovo. Mama ti je budala.

[Miki]

Thread summary:
Serb: Kosovo always Serbian
Albanian: cites historical, linguistic and dna proving they are native in Kosovo.
Serb: cccc serbia is kosovo go watch documentary "Kosovo, would you imagine"? An propaganda opera of Serbian-Canadian producer Boris Malagurski

It might be the side effects from the NATO bombing :patpat:

[Kelmendasi]

Not just about that but about emigration of Serbs from Kosovo. Mama ti je budala.
Great Albanian there, you just called your mum stupid

[Moje ime]

Lol. you love changing the subject.

Why not. Most of them became Serbs today.

[Kelmendasi]

Why not. Most of them became Serbs today.
they were absorbed by Bulgarians and Macedonians mainly, but whatever

[The Illyrian Warrior]

All I heard from you was "Fuck the evidence, and reality. Lets get back to my fantasy which has no proof"

She's not to be blamed schools and media done unrepaired damage to their society, a mass delusion and have completely isolated on own the bubble with no outside information willing to accept, as we can witness here they have different version of history in Balkans for almost everything and everyone and not just about Albanians but also for Croats and Bosniaks, for instance they regard them as Catholic or Muslim Serbs respectively, they literally made an army of brainwashed zombies.

[Moje ime]

Great Albanian there, you just called your mum stupid

Your Google translation is bad

[Kelmendasi]

Your Google translation is bad
Not my fault, but you shouldn't use google translate when insulting someone

[Dibran]

Not just about that but about emigration of Serbs from Kosovo. Mama ti je budala.

No, my mother actually has a decent education. Do they still teach in Serbia that Albanians have tails and were brought from hell by the Ottomans? Lmao. Budale Ime

[Miki]

Your Google translation is bad

REMOVE KEBAB
SRBIJA TO TOKIJA
CCCC SIPTAR
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA

Wich one is your favorite?

[Dibran]

REMOVE KEBAB
SRBIJA TO TOKIJA
CCCC SIPTAR
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA

Wich one is your favorite?

Whichever gets her dry snatch attention lol.

[Moje ime]

they were absorbed by Bulgarians and Macedonians mainly, but whatever

And Southern Serbs in Sop region. You forgot for e-v13?

[Vožd]

Now you are trying to justify the taking of lands that weren't yours, it's still someone else's land m8. Slavs assimilated them due to them being small in numbers and belonging to the same faith

lol you are epic troll.
What about other "stealers"? Germanics, Hungarians and majority other?

[Dibran]

And Southern Serbs in Sop region. You forgot for e-v13?

I thought haplogroups were BS? Now you're an expert? Can you at least not contradict yourself so much. I can't understand how someone can be this retarded.

[Kelmendasi]

And Southern Serbs in Sop region. You forgot for e-v13?
What is the Sop region? The E-V13 in Serbs isn't always directly related to Illyrians or Thracians, a lot of it especially in places like Kosovo, Montenegro etc is from Albanians

[Moje ime]

No, my mother actually has a decent education. Do they still teach in Serbia that Albanians have tails and were brought from hell by the Ottomans? Lmao. Budale Ime

They never teach that and I've never heard for that except on this forum. But I heard about Kosovo RepubLJik long time ago.

[Dibran]

lol you are epic troll.
What about other "stealers"? Germanics, Hungarians and majority other?

Germans and Hungarians didn't commit mass genocide recently like yourselves.

[Dibran]

They never teach that and I've never heard for that except on this forum. But I heard about Kosovo RepubLJik long time ago.

Lol sure.

[Vožd]

Thread summary:
Serb: Kosovo always Serbian
Albanian: cites historical, linguistic and dna proving they are native in Kosovo.
Serb: cccc serbia is kosovo go watch documentary "Kosovo, would you imagine"? An propaganda opera of Serbian-Canadian producer Boris Malagurski

It might be the side effects from the NATO bombing :patpat:

In best case: Native Albanians from today Albania colonized Kosovo in 15th century and later. They maybe native in Albania but not on Kosovo. Native on Kosovo was serbized Vlachs.

[Moje ime]

What is the Sop region?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi

[Kelmendasi]

lol you are epic troll.
What about other "stealers"? Germanics, Hungarians and majority other?
Nigga do you know what a "troll" is? I have been serious this whole time. I'm not talking about Germanics or Hungarians so stop trying to change the topic, I have realized a pattern among you that whenever you are cornered or beaten in an argument you will try and weasel yourselves out of it by using other questions as red herrings

[Miki]

Whichever gets her dry snatch attention lol.

Btw serbian language is ugly, it might be the lack of vocals .

[Vožd]

Germans and Hungarians didn't commit mass genocide recently like yourselves.

There was no genocide on Kosovo (maybe durring Ottoman time comitted on Serbs).
wtf recent issues have with early medieval migrations?

[Moje ime]

I thought haplogroups were BS? Now you're an expert? Can you at least not contradict yourself so much. I can't understand how someone can be this retarded.

Can you stop insulting me? I will change the topic whenever I want if you can't follow then quit.

[Dibran]

In best case: Native Albanians from today Albania colonized Kosovo in 15th century and later. They maybe native in Albania but not on Kosovo. Native on Kosovo was serbized Vlachs.

Do I have to reply to your retarded ass AGAIN?

Vlachs by genetic Haplogroups and some linguistic evidence are believed to descend from a Proto Population them and Albanians SPLIT from.

Additionally to remind you of your ignorance.

Genetics evidence, plus 3 replies with the same answer already showed you the Haplogroups majority Albanians descend were from the ANCIENT samples discovered in the Balkans from Neolithic to Bronze age.

Sit down and shut the fuck up. Let people with knowledge speak.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Serbs, where's the only consistency is their inconsistency. :D

[Moje ime]

Lol sure.

That is true.

[RN97]

Germans and Hungarians didn't commit mass genocide recently like yourselves.

What is recently? You only have to go back like 60-70 years and they both did.

[Dibran]

Can you stop insulting me? I will change the topic whenever I want if you can't follow then quit.

Yea, changing a topic without backing up the original subject is called a red herring. Its something stupid liars do when they have no evidence so they create a new argument to redirect everyone's attention from how stupid you are. You're doing it to yourself.

[Dibran]

What is recently? You only have to go back like 60-70 years and they both did.

Balkans. Perspective.

[Vožd]

Nigga do you know what a "troll" is? I have been serious this whole time. I'm not talking about Germanics or Hungarians so stop trying to change the topic, I have realized a pattern among you that whenever you are cornered or beaten in an argument you will try and weasel yourselves out of it by using other questions as red herrings

After i answer you how stupid is calling Slavic migration "stealing" you continue with this bullcrap.
You can not "steal" land from someone who dont even own this land.
Its not changing the topic, if Slavs are stealers because of migrations,than other migrant people in past are stealers too?

[Moje ime]

Yea, changing a topic without backing up the original subject is called a red herring. Its something stupid liars do when they have no evidence so they create a new argument to redirect everyone's attention from how stupid you are. You're doing it to yourself.

And what original subject was actually? Your brainless hate speech about Serbs. That is your pathetic reality.

[Vožd]

Do I have to reply to your retarded ass AGAIN?

Vlachs by genetic Haplogroups and some linguistic evidence are believed to descend from a Proto Population them and Albanians SPLIT from.

Additionally to remind you of your ignorance.

Genetics evidence, plus 3 replies with the same answer already showed you the Haplogroups majority Albanians descend were from the ANCIENT samples discovered in the Balkans from Neolithic to Bronze age.

Sit down and shut the fuck up. Let people with knowledge speak.

Who give a shit for this?

People who today live on Kosovo have not origin from ancient Dardanians, thath my point.

[Moje ime]

I think we are making a record tonight with number of public in thread. :D

[RN97]

Balkans. Perspective.

Hungarians massacred both Romanians and Serbs. Germans massacred Serbs. This happened in areas today part of Romania and Serbia.

[Dibran]

Hungarians massacred both Romanians and Serbs. Germans massacred Serbs. This happened in areas today part of Romania and Serbia.

The point is he was trying to detract from the Genocide Serbs committed on their neighbors, by bringing up Germans and Hungarians. As if what happened to them justified them Killing Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and I am sure others.

[Moje ime]

As if what happened to them justified them Killing Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and I am sure others.

Too much narrow mind or in plain words stupid conclusion.

[Vožd]

The point is he was trying to detract from the Genocide Serbs committed on their neighbors, by bringing up Germans and Hungarians. As if what happened to them justified them Killing Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and I am sure others.

What others?
Vojvodina was always multiethnic region with many ethnicity but with Serbian domination and still there is no ethnic wars and similar shits like in south.
In south you have shits between everyone: Serbs vs Albanians, Albanians vs Macedonians, Serbs vs Croats, Bosniaks vs Croats, Bosniaks vs Serbs etc.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Serbs know that they're white. It's based on hatred.

But for "shiptar", it's true. Here in Sarajevo, when you call Albanian "shiptar" he is feeling insulted.

[Solar]

Look, I am not here to have a fight with anyone or to throw insults. Fact of the matter is that IF the Albanians are Illyrians it means that they are NOT natives to the Balkans, as Illyrians were an Indo-European tribe and thus not NATIVE to the region, no different from Slavs in that matter. It doesn't matter who came before. For me, and I know I will get a lot of bad reactions on this, what is most important is Indo-European solidarity and unity. We are the largest ethno-cultural and linguistic group in the world. We should strive toward that goal.

[Vožd]

Look, I am not here to have a fight with anyone or to throw insults. Fact of the matter is that IF the Albanians are Illyrians it means that they are NOT natives to the Balkan, as Illyrians were an Indo-European tribe and this not NATIVE to the region, no different from Slavs in that matter. It doesn't matter who came before. For me, and I know I will get a lot of bad reactions on this, what is most important is Indo-European solidarity and unity. We are the largest ethno-cultural and linguistic group in the world. We should strive toward that goal.

Nah, Albanians can not be invaders or anyone else, its only Slavic stuff :D

[Dibran]

Nah, Albanians can not be invaders or anyone else, its only Slavic stuff :D

The difference is you're speaking of 1000-1500 years ago. You tried to commit genocide and take the Balkans, and would have continued had you not been put in your place only 20 somewhat years ago.

Do you blame modern Caucasian Americans for Slavery of their forefathers they had no hand in?

I didn't think so. You massive ignoramus. Albanians don't have issues with Slavs. We have issues with Serbs. Learn the difference.

Even the rest of Slavdom among the Balkans consider you the rejects among their kind.

Thats why you try tirelessly to appear innocent and your nation the "victim of propaganda".

[Crn Volk]

Like in Macedonia. Fertility rates plummeting and Albanian fertility up 300 percent. We're smart. We don't like bloodshed. Love making and time will take care of the rest. I even read an article a while back, before the language bill, where the president was urging Macedonians to have more children lmao,.

You also love to emigrate to Western Europe. More than Macedonians...

[Dibran]

You also love to emigrate to Western Europe. More than Macedonians...

And that is a bad thing? Western Europe has far better opportunities than the Balkans. Albanians are not blind to this fact.

Sure, I don't agree with the Wests foreign policy. Neither do I agree with the Easts. The difference is, the West has a far better domestic policy.

Despite some shifting downward turns for the USA, the West as a whole has far better opportunities, equality, separation of church and state. Integration of cultures and peoples of various backgrounds.

Which despite individual distastes, has on a political spectrum managed stability.

Sure it wont last forever. Nothing does. However, the reality is the West offers far more than just fear hate and nationalism.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

And that is a bad thing? Western Europe has far better opportunities than the Balkans. Albanians are not blind to this fact.

Sure, I don't agree with the Wests foreign policy. Neither do I agree with the Easts. The difference is, the West has a far better domestic policy.

Despite some shifting downward turns for the USA, the West as a whole has far better opportunities, equality, separation of church and state. Integration of cultures and peoples of various backgrounds.

Which despite individual distastes, has on a political spectrum managed stability.

Sure it wont last forever. Nothing does. However, the reality is the West offers far more than just fear hate and nationalism.

He does consider this a good thing too as he's hoping for Albanians to loose ground and Macedonian jump over to majority status because Albanians are emigrating however he's forgetting that fertility base of Macedonian is going to take a major hit in years to come because almost 1/3 will be lost in their fertility base in next 10 years, inspite of emigration the stagnation or decrease of Macedonians will continue unless a major exodus of Albanians take place but that is to be seen in years to come.

[Mortimer]

First of all, my comment has nothing to do with Albanians or against Albanians.

What strikes me as odd and funny is that you are now speakiong about Serbs using words such as 'they' while you are LARPing as a Serb all the time. Ti nisi Srbin.

i say "they" (racists) not all serbs.

[Finnish Swede]

One of these threads which easily shows that use of American word ''white'' causes more troubles to Europe than any good.

[Morlak]

They think that Albanians are not white. In old yugoslavia "siptar" was something like "cigan" etc. even today on stormfront they are not allowed I dont think its because of the americans but probably because of the many serbs, maybe greeks too. But Albanians are definitely white and european. Serbs invented they are from "caucasus" and czechens etc.

Most Serbs definitely consider Albanians white, we have a lot of stereotypes about them that is true. Maybe some them come from the fact that many gypsies in Serbia have Albanian names.
Word šiptar is equally bad as cigan, maybe even worse, but they don't have the same meaning.

[Vožd]

The difference is you're speaking of 1000-1500 years ago. You tried to commit genocide and take the Balkans, and would have continued had you not been put in your place only 20 somewhat years ago.

We talking about medieval age, not Yugoslav wars. There was no genocide neither during Slavic migration or during modern age in Kosovo.

[Kelmendasi]

Who give a shit for this?

People who today live on Kosovo have not origin from ancient Dardanians, thath my point.
Here you go again with this crap. You do realize that scholars who have done many years of work on the topic say otherwise?

[Wrong]

Call your mother a dumb bitch. That is all you know to say when you don't have answer to most important question from reality. Fuck haplogroups.
Mother-insults are not tolerated.

[Wrong]

And that is a bad thing? Western Europe has far better opportunities than the Balkans. Albanians are not blind to this fact.

Sure, I don't agree with the Wests foreign policy. Neither do I agree with the Easts. The difference is, the West has a far better domestic policy.

Despite some shifting downward turns for the USA, the West as a whole has far better opportunities, equality, separation of church and state. Integration of cultures and peoples of various backgrounds.

Which despite individual distastes, has on a political spectrum managed stability.

Sure it wont last forever. Nothing does. However, the reality is the West offers far more than just fear hate and nationalism.
Crn Volk is a FYROMian immigrant living in Australia, so the irony is strong to come from him.

[Moje ime]

Mother-insults are not tolerated.

So then I can call him a dumb bitch anytime he insults me? Is that fine?

[Dibran]

He does consider this a good thing too as he's hoping for Albanians to loose ground and Macedonian jump over to majority status because Albanians are emigrating however he's forgetting that fertility base of Macedonian is going to take a major hit in years to come because almost 1/3 will be lost in their fertility base in next 10 years, inspite of emigration the stagnation or decrease of Macedonians will continue unless a major exodus of Albanians take place but that is to be seen in years to come.

Exactly. The amount of Albanians leaving Albania is far less than the combined birthrate of those still living there. lol

[Dibran]

We talking about medieval age, not Yugoslav wars. There was no genocide neither during Slavic migration or during modern age in Kosovo.

I guess genocide has to reach Holocaust level for you to admit it. It's still genocide you moron. "Propaganda" Didn't kill all those Albanians, Bosnians, and Croats. Your nation did that....

[Dibran]

So then I can call him a dumb bitch anytime he insults me? Is that fine?

Whatever helps you sleep at night Budale Ime. :)

[Dibran]

Crn Volk is a FYROMian immigrant living in Australia, so the irony is strong to come from him.

Figures. He doesn't even live there lol.

[Moje ime]

Your nation did that....

There is no genocidal nation, BITCH!

[Kelmendasi]

There is no genocidal nation, BITCH!
Just tell us that you love us, I know you do ;)

[Dibran]

There is no genocidal nation, BITCH!

mmhmmm. I guess my family members killed themselves then, to make the story so much more real. Fucking IDIOT.

[Moje ime]

mmhmmm. I guess my family members killed themselves then, to make the story so much more real. Fucking IDIOT.

They are killed by particular man not by whole nation. Understand?

[Kelmendasi]

They are killed by particular man not by whole nation. Understand?
It was the Serbian military, same happened to my mothers village as hers neighbors his I know people by name that i'm related to that were killed when they tried to invade the area

[Dibran]

They are killed by particular man not by whole nation. Understand?

Last I checked, it wasn't individual Serbs, it was the Serbian Military. Serbia had the resources. Control of the Yugoslav Army. Assistance of mercenaries from Greece. Ukraines weekend "warriors". Etc etc. The amount dead left in your nations wake leaves no excuse for your bullshit. I guess it was all "CGI". Albania's technological capabilities aren't exactly there. Nor did they have a military lol. You're just a coping bitch.

[Wrong]

Last I checked, it wasn't individual Serbs, it was the Serbian Military. Serbia had the resources. Control of the Yugoslav Army. Assistance of mercenaries from Greece. Ukraines weekend "warriors". Etc etc. The amount dead left in your nations wake leaves no excuse for your bullshit. I guess it was all "CGI". Albania's technological capabilities aren't exactly there. Nor did they have a military lol. You're just a coping bitch.
Anyone can put female gender to their new account btw.

Moje Ime is no exception and has not proven it is a female yet. Maybe it is, maybe not.

If so, a female with too much time on her hands.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

There is no genocidal nation, BITCH!

^ Ape starting to fling feces but you shouldn't get mad if someone breaks off the false image about you or others, instead this should be an encouragement to open your mind and start thinking less like a pathetic heavenly people who does no wrong in this world and even less like paranoid piece of shit who think there's a world plots against le serbs.

[Moje ime]

Anyone can put female gender to their new account btw.

Moje Ime is no exception and has not proven it is a female yet. Maybe it is, maybe not.

If so, a female with too much time on her hands.

And?

[StonyArabia]

Albanians are White and they are genetically very close to Tuscans lol

[Doclean]

Serbia was rightfully bombed i am sad that Montenegro was dragged into it.

Just one of many reasons i am glad we are no longer in union with Serbs.

[Moje ime]

Serbia was rightfully bombed i am sad that Montenegro was dragged into it.

Just one of many reasons i am glad we are no longer in union with Serbs.

Samo si i ti falio ovde. :rolleyes: Btw anybody can put whatever nationality it wants, this one is not prove he is Montenegrin yet. Maybe it is or maybe not.

[Dibran]

Samo si i ti falio ovde. :rolleyes: Btw anybody can put whatever nationality it wants, this one is not prove he is Montenegrin yet. Maybe it is or maybe not.

You practically admitted you weren't female a post ago. Shut up.

[Doclean]

Samo si i ti falio ovde. :rolleyes: Btw anybody can put whatever nationality it wants, this one is not prove he is Montenegrin yet. Maybe it is or maybe not.

Eve ti dokaza jadna ne bila.
Unistise vas Albanci sa argumentima odje ja bi reka :D .

[Moje ime]

You practically admitted you weren't female a post ago. Shut up.

I just wonder what would be advantage for a man making a female profile on such forum. Can you tell me?

[Moje ime]

Eve ti dokaza jadna ne bila.
Unistise vas Albanci sa argumentima odje ja bi reka :D .

Ima vas Albanaca i u Crnoj Gori.

[Dibran]

I just wonder what would be advantage for a man making a female profile on such forum. Can you tell me?

Idk. you're the one parading around as a female. Perhaps you desired a sex change lol.

[Doclean]

Ima vas Albanaca i u Crnoj Gori.

Ima ih jasta i hvala Bogu da ima. Samo ne zbore vako dobro Crnogorski jezik.

[Moje ime]

Idk. you're the one parading around as a female. Perhaps you desired a sex change lol.

Very funny.

[Moje ime]

Ima ih jasta i hvala Bogu da ima. Samo ne zbore vako dobro Crnogorski jezik.

A reci ti meni jadan ne bio dje je tvoj deda bio kad je bila ona Mojkovacka bitka?

[Doclean]

A reci ti meni jadan ne bio dje je tvoj deda bio kad je bila ona Mojkovacka bitka?

Bijase jadan tada obamanjen velikosrpskom propgandom, pa je isa dati zivote za Srbijance koji samo 3 godine kasnije dodjese I proterase Kralja nasega i zemlju nam okupirase.

[Moje ime]

Bijase jadan tada obamanjen velikosrpskom propgandom, pa je isa dati zivote za Srbijance koji samo 3 godine kasnije dodjese I proterase Kralja nasega i zemlju nam okupirase.

EE vala deda ti se sad u grobu okrece, jadan ne bio.

[Doclean]

EE vala deda ti se sad u grobu okrece, jadan ne bio.

Ne okrece se ne ne. Poslije je on bia sa Krstom Popvicem kad smo digili ustanak protiv Srbijankse okupacije. Casno je tu zivot svoj i ostavio. I evo 100 godina kasnije oslobodila se nasa Crna Gora I vjecna ce bit!

[Moje ime]

Ne okrece se ne ne. Poslije je on bia sa Krstom Popvicem kad smo digili ustanak protiv Srbijankse okupacije. Casno je tu zivot svoj i ostavio. I evo 100 godina kasnije oslobodila se nasa Crna Gora I vjecna ce bit!

A kad cete dati Albancima deo?

[Doclean]

A kad cete dati Albancima deo?

E jadna ti pa jedini ste vi Srbi dali Albancima dio neki. Ne moj se ti śekirat za Crnu Goru no u se i u svoje kljuse!