Assyrian MyHeritage results

[waam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrZX51zN3U

55.7% West Asian
27.2% Mizrahi Jewish
12.2% Sephardic Jewish
4.9% Middle Eastern

I knew once an Assyrian took a DNA test with MyHeritage they had to score a lot of Jewish. But why is that? What component are the Jewish populations filling the void for?
There's also this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=388s) I posted once and the Palestinian Christian (http://www.holylanddna.com/2017/07/my-heritage-dna-results-ancestry.html) that both scored a lot of Jewish, so at first I thought it was more like a Levantine "placeholder", however it seems more broad than that. Maybe it indicates the ancient Mesopotamian Levantines carry within them?

[Leto]

MH ancestry compositions are not believed to be very accurate. But interesting anyway.

[waam]

Yeah it's obvious they don't have any actual recent Mizrahi or Sephardi ancestors. But they still score it as a component, so I wonder what void it fills.

[Aren]

Yeah it's obvious they don't have any actual recent Mizrahi or Sephardi ancestors. But they still score it as a component, so I wonder what void it fills.

We Assyrians are almost identical to Eastern Mizrahi Jews, now I don't know if it's a superficial resemblance or if they are descendants of Mespotamian converts but most of the Kurdish and Iranian Jews used to speak a dialect of Neo-Eastern Aramaic just like us Assyrians.

This chick seems to be living in Sweden, so she's probably Orthodox.

[StonyArabia]

We Assyrians are almost identical to Eastern Mizrahi Jews, now I don't know if it's a superficial resemblance or if they are descendants of Mespotamian converts but most of the Kurdish and Iranian Jews used to speak a dialect of Neo-Eastern Aramaic just like us Assyrians.

This chick seems to be living in Sweden, so she's probably Orthodox.

A lot of Assyrians converted to Judaism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabene

[waam]

We Assyrians are almost identical to Eastern Mizrahi Jews, now I don't know if it's a superficial resemblance or if they are descendants of Mespotamian converts but most of the Kurdish and Iranian Jews used to speak a dialect of Neo-Eastern Aramaic just like us Assyrians.

This chick seems to be living in Sweden, so she's probably Orthodox.

Jews in general have Mesopotamian in them, according to our tradition Abraham and his family were from Mesopotamia as I suppose you know. Now as for the Mizrahi Jews specifically I believe it's a superficial resemblance because otherwise this Assyrian would have scored 100% Mizrahi, but it's obvious they must have some more recent Mesopotamian in them as well. We have a lot of prayers and scriptures in Aramaic as well.

[waam]

Also, thought it was worth mentioning while we're at it. A common Mountain Jewish surname is "Ashurov" ("Ashur" literally mean Assyria), so maybe it might indicate a connection to either Assyrian people or maybe Assyria geographically.

[Leto]

Jews in general have Mesopotamian in them, according to our tradition Abraham and his family were from Mesopotamia as I suppose you know. Now as for the Mizrahi Jews specifically I believe it's a superficial resemblance because otherwise this Assyrian would have scored 100% Mizrahi, but it's obvious they must have some more recent Mesopotamian in them as well. We have a lot of prayers and scriptures in Aramaic as well.
The Assyrians are like full-blown Semites to me without much non-Semitic admixture.

[StonyArabia]

The Assyrians are like full-blown Semites to me without much non-Semitic admixture.

I doubt it they have Armenian admixture. They often cluster with Armenians.

[Kamal900]

The Assyrians are like full-blown Semites to me without much non-Semitic admixture.

Far from it. Assyrians cluster the closest to Armenians and other west Asians including Mizrahi Jews of Mesopotamia than say to the ancient Natufians which of whom cluster the closest to modern day Arabians and Egyptians. We don't have the genetic results of the ancient proto-Semites but the genetic results of the ancient Canaanite from north-western jordan from the bronze age period cluster the closest to modern day Bedouins and other south-west asiatics.

[Sikeliot]

Assyrians are not fully Semitic. They have a lot of Iranic ancestry. They are, however, closest to Mizrahi Jews overall. Iraqi Jews have a lot of Assyrian ancestry.

[Kamal900]

Assyrians are not fully Semitic. They have a lot of Iranic ancestry. They are, however, closest to Mizrahi Jews overall. Iraqi Jews have a lot of Assyrian ancestry.

Well, if you're talking about western Iranian peoples like Persians or Kurds then you're wrong. The middle eastern Iranic peoples don't have much central asian admixture in them, and genetic studies have shown that Assyrians are pretty homogenous group in the middle east. The point is that the proto-Semitic peoples would have resembled more closer to modern day Arabians than to modern day genetic isolated groups of the Levant like the Maronites, Druze, 3alwaites and so on.

[Aren]

Assyrians are not fully Semitic. They have a lot of Iranic ancestry. They are, however, closest to Mizrahi Jews overall. Iraqi Jews have a lot of Assyrian ancestry.
That's a blatant lie. We do not have any Iranic input.

Well, if you're talking about western Iranian peoples like Persians or Kurds then you're wrong. The middle eastern Iranic peoples don't have much central asian admixture in them, and genetic studies have shown that Assyrians are pretty homogenous group in the middle east. The point is that the proto-Semitic peoples would have resembled more closer to modern day Arabians than to modern day genetic isolated groups of the Levant like the Maronites, Druze, 3alwaites and so on.
Early Semitics, like the Caananites were closest to modern day Lebanese Christians

Sidon_BA:ERS1790733

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Lebanese_Christian Lebanese_Druze Samaritan Lebanese_Muslim
2.853620 3.554356 3.881773 4.097182
Iraqi_Jew Palestinian BedouinA Jordanian
4.640753 6.017903 7.889633 8.655184

[Kamal900]

That's a blatant lie. We do not have any Iranic input.

Early Semitics, like the Caananites were closest to modern day Lebanese Christians

Sidon_BA:ERS1790733

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Lebanese_Christian Lebanese_Druze Samaritan Lebanese_Muslim
2.853620 3.554356 3.881773 4.097182
Iraqi_Jew Palestinian BedouinA Jordanian
4.640753 6.017903 7.889633 8.655184

I said from the early brozne age period, not from the later period where migration coming from modern day Iran and Anatolia changed the genetic structure of the Levant to be more shifted towards west asia than the early Levantines where the ancestors of modern day Arabians and Egyptians diverged.

[TheMaestro]

MH ancestry compositions are not believed to be very accurate. But interesting anyway.

They are incredibly unnacurate I agree

[Kamal900]

@Aren

Here:


Jordan_EBA:I1705

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Assyrian Tunisian
0.01688859 0.02702003 0.04230395 0.05042037
Algerian Moroccan Ethiopian_Amhara Ethiopian_Tigray
0.05977330 0.06250903 0.06827656 0.06843083


Jordan_EBA:I1706

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Assyrian Tunisian
0.01121590 0.02529517 0.04461211 0.04794086
Algerian Moroccan Ethiopian_Tigray Ethiopian_Amhara
0.05747952 0.05955161 0.06446322 0.06449131


Jordan_EBA:I1730

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Assyrian Tunisian
0.01660947 0.02594147 0.04452045 0.04673384
Algerian Moroccan Ethiopian_Amhara Ethiopian_Tigray
0.05612227 0.05860530 0.06685817 0.06699568


^^All three Jordan_EBA samples are closer to contemporary (understand non-Coptic, SSA-admixed, muslim) Egyptians than to Assyrians.

Now, let's see how the Levant_Neolithic samples fare...

Levant_Neolithic:I0867

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Tunisian Moroccan
0.03566195 0.04554086 0.04641960 0.05063521
Algerian Saharawi Ethiopian_Amhara Ethiopian_Tigray
0.05151626 0.05912316 0.07079567 0.07148614


Levant_Neolithic:I1699

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Tunisian Moroccan
0.03387947 0.04357623 0.04656148 0.05174627
Algerian Saharawi Ethiopian_Amhara Ethiopian_Tigray
0.05200293 0.06092333 0.07082936 0.07146232


Levant_Neolithic:I1704

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Saudi Egyptian Tunisian Moroccan
0.03183015 0.03921102 0.03989456 0.04466378
Algerian Saharawi Ethiopian_Amhara Ethiopian_Tigray
0.04533574 0.05414230 0.06520587 0.06581918

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=47798&page=54

[StonyArabia]

Far from it. Assyrians cluster the closest to Armenians and other west Asians including Mizrahi Jews of Mesopotamia than say to the ancient Natufians which of whom cluster the closest to modern day Arabians and Egyptians. We don't have the genetic results of the ancient proto-Semites but the genetic results of the ancient Canaanite from north-western jordan from the bronze age period cluster the closest to modern day Bedouins and other south-west asiatics.

He was much darker than modern day Lebanese to

"In addition, SNPs associated with phenotypic traits show Sidon_BA and the Lebanese had comparable skin, hair, and eye colours (in general: light intermediate skin pigmentation, brown eyes and dark hair) with similar frequencies of the underlying causal variants in SLC24A5 and HERC2, but with Sidon_BA probably having darker skin than Lebanese today from variants in SLC45A2 resulting in darker pigmentation (Table S2)."


More similar to Bedouins and Arabians than anything else. The West Asian migration from Anatolia is what lightened and shifted the Levant into another direction.

[Aren]

I said from the early brozne age period, not from the later period where migration coming from modern day Iran and Anatolia changed the genetic structure of the Levant to be more shifted towards west asia than the early Levantines where the ancestors of modern day Arabians and Egyptians diverged.

The Bronze Age sample from Jordan isn't particularly close to anyone, but closest to Yemenite Jews.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Yemenite_Jew Saudi BedouinB Samaritan
4.725418 5.393395 5.547102 5.743649
Palestinian Lebanese_Christian BedouinA Lebanese_Druze
6.799833 7.046751 7.144226 8.074138

"distance%=2.8217"

Levant_BA

Saudi,48
Lebanese_Christian,30.2
Samaritan,13.8
BedouinB,8

[Aren]

He was much darker than modern day Lebanese to

"In addition, SNPs associated with phenotypic traits show Sidon_BA and the Lebanese had comparable skin, hair, and eye colours (in general: light intermediate skin pigmentation, brown eyes and dark hair) with similar frequencies of the underlying causal variants in SLC24A5 and HERC2, but with Sidon_BA probably having darker skin than Lebanese today from variants in SLC45A2 resulting in darker pigmentation (Table S2)."


More similar to Bedouins and Arabians than anything else. The West Asian migration from Anatolia is what lightened and shifted the Levant into another direction.

What does that have to do with anything? Are Iranians much lighter than Semitics? Ofc not and they have much more Iran_N.

[StonyArabia]

What does that have to do with anything? Are Iranians much lighter than Semitics? Ofc not and they have much more Iran_N.

Iranics on average are lighter than Semitic groups, Kurds are lighter for example than most Semitic groups. Plus it shows that the Levant was dark but got lighter, not lighter then got darkened like the Eurocentric narrative or some self-hating Levantines. Plus it shows that the original Cannanites are closer to Arabians and Bedouins, as well Yemenite Jews who are basically like ethnic Saudis genetically is proof enough that the Levant was Arabian like but got Anatolian shifted, and that the Arabian impact did not change them, because they were genetically the same in the first place.

[Aren]

Iranics on average are lighter than Semitic groups, Kurds are lighter for example than most Semitic groups. Plus it shows that the Levant was dark but got lighter, not lighter then got darkened like the Eurocentric narrative or some self-hating Levantines. Plus it shows that the original Cannanites are closer to Arabians and Bedouins, as well Yemenite Jews who are basically like ethnic Saudis genetically is proof enough that the Levant was Arabian like but got Anatolian shifted, and that the Arabian impact did not change them, because they were genetically the same in the first place.

Populations can change without mixing with others. Lebanese Christians and Samaritans are very close to the almost 4000 year old Caananite samples yet today they are probably lighter for several reasons. Btw like I said the ancient Caananites were closer to Levantines, especially Lebanese Christians than to Arabians.

Sidon_BA:ERS1790733

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Lebanese_Christian Lebanese_Druze Samaritan Lebanese_Muslim
2.853620 3.554356 3.881773 4.097182
Iraqi_Jew Palestinian BedouinA Jordanian
4.640753 6.017903 7.889633 8.655184

[Kamal900]

The Bronze Age sample from Jordan isn't particularly close to anyone, but closest to Yemenite Jews.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Yemenite_Jew Saudi BedouinB Samaritan
4.725418 5.393395 5.547102 5.743649
Palestinian Lebanese_Christian BedouinA Lebanese_Druze
6.799833 7.046751 7.144226 8.074138

"distance%=2.8217"

Levant_BA

Saudi,48
Lebanese_Christian,30.2
Samaritan,13.8
BedouinB,8

Yemenite Jews are genetically predominately Arabians with some Levantine in the mix, and they cluster the closest to Saudis, Bedouins and even to Palestinians as well

[Kamal900]

Populations can change without mixing with others. Lebanese Christians and Samaritans are very close to the almost 4000 year old Caananite samples yet today they are probably lighter for several reasons. Btw like I said the ancient Caananites were closer to Levantines, especially Lebanese Christians than to Arabians.

Sidon_BA:ERS1790733

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Lebanese_Christian Lebanese_Druze Samaritan Lebanese_Muslim
2.853620 3.554356 3.881773 4.097182
Iraqi_Jew Palestinian BedouinA Jordanian
4.640753 6.017903 7.889633 8.655184

Really? Genetics do change due to migrations and admixture between the locals and migrants. We know that the ancient Natufians were genetically very closely related to modern day Egyptians and Arabians while the Levantines from the later bronze age and iron age periods are more closer to modern day Christians and other genetic isolated groups of the Levant. You can ask Semitic Suwa from ABF for more.

[StonyArabia]

Yemenite Jews are genetically predominately Arabians with some Levantine in the mix, and they cluster the closest to Saudis, Bedouins and even to Palestinians as well

Yep Yemenite Jews are genetically identical to Saudis and Bedouins. They are also dark skinned population, so it means like I said the Levant was already dark and was lightened by the incoming Anatolians.

[Gangrel]

What does that have to do with anything? Are Iranians much lighter than Semitics? Ofc not and they have much more Iran_N.

Yes they are lol

[Leto]

Yes they are lol
I'm not sure Persians and Iranian/Iraqi Kurds are much lighter than Syrians and Lebanese. I've seen photos from Iran for example, there were many brown people, a skin tone that is absent in Europe. Darker than you for example.

[Gangrel]

I'm not sure Persians and Iranian/Iraqi Kurds are much lighter than Syrians and Lebanese. I've seen photos from Iran for example, there were many brown people, a skin tone that is absent in Europe. Darker than you for example.

See tons of Syrians and Levantine Arabs in Turkey. They might be similar to Persians in terms of skin colour (I still think Persians are lighter) but they are darker than most other Iranian groups. And a lot of Iraqi Kurds have Arab admixture, which is seen in their phenotype

[Leto]

See tons of Syrians and Levantine Arabs in Turkey. They might be similar to Persians in terms of skin colour (I still think Persians are lighter) but they are darker than most other Iranian groups. And a lot of Iraqi Kurds have Arab admixture, which is seen in their phenotype
Well, people to the east of Iran are even darker than most Iranians. Pashtuns, Tajiks, etc. I mean the vast majority, of course you can find light people, even whitish ones.

[Gangrel]

Well, people to the east of Iran are even darker than most Iranians. Pashtuns, Tajiks, etc. I mean the vast majority, of course you can find light people, even whitish ones.

They are Iranic but I wouldn't call them 'Iranian'

[Leto]

They are Iranic but I wouldn't call them 'Iranian'
By Iranian I mean people from Iran. Did you mean some minorities in Iran that are not Persian? I think all of them are heavily Persianized nowadays, so it's hard to tell them apart.

[Gangrel]

By Iranian I mean people from Iran. Did you mean some minorities in Iran that are not Persian? I think all of them are heavily Persianized nowadays, so it's hard to tell them apart.

Iranian groups to me are Perisans, Gilaks, Lurs, Mazanderanis etc. Ones that don't have their own country and originate and live in Iran

[Aren]

Yemenite Jews are genetically predominately Arabians with some Levantine in the mix, and they cluster the closest to Saudis, Bedouins and even to Palestinians as well

Yet, this earliest Semtic speaker we have is about equally close to Saudis as to Samaritans. The nMonte gives him 44% Levantine 56% Arabian

[Aren]

Really? Genetics do change due to migrations and admixture between the locals and migrants. We know that the ancient Natufians were genetically very closely related to modern day Egyptians and Arabians while the Levantines from the later bronze age and iron age periods are more closer to modern day Christians and other genetic isolated groups of the Levant. You can ask Semitic Suwa from ABF for more.
By populations can change, I mean ofc pigmentation and looks. Look at modern day Northern Europeans and how light they are when neither WHG, Yamnaya or Anatolian farmers were particularly light.
Natufians were way, way older than Proto-Semitics. Iran_N like migrated and mixed with Natufian/Levant_N like people in the Levant which produced Proto-Semitics. We still don't have Proto-Semitic aDNA so let's just wait for that first, but they will probably have Iran_N input probably aswell.
So far Early Bronze Age sample from Jordan is about halfway between Saudis and Levantines, and the Caananite sample which is a bit younger clusters really close to modern day Lebanese Christians and Druze. That's basically the only relevant ancient Semitic samples we have so far.

[Kamal900]

By populations can change, I mean ofc pigmentation and looks. Look at modern day Northern Europeans and how light they are when neither WHG, Yamnaya or Anatolian farmers were particularly light.
Natufians were way, way older than Proto-Semitics. Iran_N like migrated and mixed with Natufian/Levant_N like people in the Levant which produced Proto-Semitics. We still don't have Proto-Semitic aDNA so let's just wait for that first, but they will probably have Iran_N input probably aswell.
So far Early Bronze Age sample from Jordan is about halfway between Saudis and Levantines, and the Caananite sample which is a bit younger clusters really close to modern day Lebanese Christians and Druze. That's basically the only relevant ancient Semitic samples we have so far.

With that said then yes. We need to have more better samples in the future to forge conclusive evidence in regard to the genetic history of the Levant and so on. I hope they can do Old Kingdom Egypt next in the future. That would be a total bomb against the Afrocentric lunatics, lol. XD

[Aren]

With that said then yes. We need to have more better samples in the future to forge conclusive evidence in regard to the genetic history of the Levant and so on. I hope they can do Old Kingdom Egypt next in the future. That would be a total bomb against the Afrocentric lunatics, lol. XD

Afrocentrist have already "lost" Egpyt. We need Mesopotamian and Hittie aDNA asap though.

[Haider]

Populations can change without mixing with others. Lebanese Christians and Samaritans are very close to the almost 4000 year old Caananite samples yet today they are probably lighter for several reasons. Btw like I said the ancient Caananites were closer to Levantines, especially Lebanese Christians than to Arabians.

Sidon_BA:ERS1790733

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Lebanese_Christian Lebanese_Druze Samaritan Lebanese_Muslim
2.853620 3.554356 3.881773 4.097182
Iraqi_Jew Palestinian BedouinA Jordanian
4.640753 6.017903 7.889633 8.655184


> getMonte('input.txt','target.txt')
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"

Lebanese_Christian 0.01462824
Lebanese_Druze 0.01633365
Lebanese_Muslim 0.01690026
Cypriot 0.01738823
Palestinian 0.01853043
Samaritan 0.02178326
Iraqi_Jew 0.02440474
Assyrian 0.02735772
Tunisian_Jew 0.02742950
England_Roman_o 0.02814001
Egyptian 0.02913936
Egyptian_mummy_769-560calBCE 0.03021738
Levant_BA 0.03439273

[Kamal900]

Afrocentrist have already "lost" Egpyt. We need Mesopotamian and Hittie aDNA asap though.

I agree that they should work on samples from ancient Mesopotamia and so on. I believe we already have genetic results of the ancient Anatolians from the late bronze age or something. I believe a Turkish member here posted the results once.

[Aren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrZX51zN3U

55.7% West Asian
27.2% Mizrahi Jewish
12.2% Sephardic Jewish
4.9% Middle Eastern

I knew once an Assyrian took a DNA test with MyHeritage they had to score a lot of Jewish. But why is that? What component are the Jewish populations filling the void for?
There's also this Lebanese girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5GTsFJqGs&t=388s) I posted once and the Palestinian Christian (http://www.holylanddna.com/2017/07/my-heritage-dna-results-ancestry.html) that both scored a lot of Jewish, so at first I thought it was more like a Levantine "placeholder", however it seems more broad than that. Maybe it indicates the ancient Mesopotamian Levantines carry within them?

Got mine today aswell. I don't score Jewish at all

https://i.imgur.com/BsXHoPf.png

[waam]

Oh wow, interesting. So what do you think makes the other person score it while you don't?