South-East Polish 23andMe (Lesko)

[Peterski]

Polish-American guy who was born in Lesko (South-Eastern Poland) posted his 23andMe:

Lesko: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesko

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=166523&st=0

European
100.0%
Eastern European
82.8%
Southern European
10.2%
Balkan
9.3%
Broadly Southern European
0.9%
Northwestern European
3.3%
French & German
0.6%
Broadly Northwestern European
2.7%
Broadly European
3.7%
East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Broadly East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Unassigned
< 0.1%

[Bobby Martnen]

Polish-American guy who was born in Lesko (South-Eastern Poland) posted his 23andMe:


What are his haplos?

[Peterski]

What are his haplos?

His Y-DNA is J2a-L26 and his mtDNA is U5b1b1a.

[Bobby Martnen]

His Y-DNA is J-L26 and his mtDNA is U5b1b1a.

Probably of Jewish blood, then.

[Bobby Martnen]

His Y-DNA is J-L26 and his mtDNA is U5b1b1a.

Probably of Jewish blood, then.

[Peterski]

Probably of Jewish blood, then.

Why? J2a-L26 was in Europe long before Jews came.

[Bobby Martnen]

Why? J2a-L26 was in Europe long before Jews came.

I thought all J haplogroups were Levantine in origin, and that Poles were mostly R1a.

[Peterski]

I asked him about his GEDmatch results, this should be more interesting.


and that Poles were mostly R1a.

Interestingly one of Early Medieval Poles was also J2a, the same Y-DNA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225194-Y-DNA-in-Early-Medieval-Poland

NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26

[Peterski]

His mtDNA is labeled as "Saami" which is why he started that thread (asking if he has Scandinavian maternal ancestry).

But in fact, U5b1b1a is prehistoric native Eastern European: http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com/2017/03/more-ancient-eastern-european-mtdna.html

[Coolguy1]

He probably has Balkan paternal origin.

[Peterski]

He probably has Balkan paternal origin.

Yeah it is very probable, but it must date back to Medieval Vlach migrations or even further back. Nothing recent.

It might be even more ancient, because there were migrations from the south even in prehistory, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzcinica,_Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

https://www.archaeology.org/news/3688-150915-poland-stone-wall

http://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/news/news,406407,archaeologists-unearthed-monumental-stone-structures-in-the-carpathians.html

[Bobby Martnen]

He probably has Balkan paternal origin.

J is usually Jewish in Europeans. Balkans are I2, mostly. Some E1b there as well.

[Coolguy1]

J is usually Jewish in Europeans. Balkans are I2, mostly. Some E1b there as well.

No, its not. J2a was spread into Europe by neolithic farmers rich in CHG ancestry. Minoans and Mycenaeans were predominately J2a.

This Pole most likely has some Vlach or Roman ancestry.

[Bobby Martnen]

No, its not. J2a was spread into Europe by neolithic farmers rich in CHG ancestry. Minoans and Mycenaeans were predominately J2a.

This Pole most likely has some Vlach or Roman ancestry.

My Sicilian great-grandfather was J2a1b, and I think that means he's of Sephardic descent paternally.

[Coolguy1]

My Sicilian great-grandfather was J2a1b, and I think that means he's of Sephardic descent paternally.

Once again, no. Original Jews were predominately J1, not J2. J2a is the predominant haplogroup in Sicily brought by neolithic farmers.

Your grandfather's haplogroup is most likely native.

[Bobby Martnen]

Once again, no. Original Jews were predominately J1, not J2. J2a is the predominant haplogroup in Sicily brought by neolithic farmers.

Your grandfather's haplogroup is most likely native.

Interesting.

I know that I1 is the most European haplo, though, and it's my haplo.

[ovidiu]

There were medieval Vlach/Romanian migrations to southern Poland through the Carpathians. There are many surnames of that origin there from what I understand.