What Am I?

[PoliAussie]

My father's lineage is, as far as he knows, entirely British (his parents and their parents). My mother's parents were both Polish. The below results seem to conflict. I am new to this so I'm not entirely sure what to make of it all, particularly the West Asian results - I am fully white with blue eyes but I'm assuming I've got a minute amount of non-European DNA? Just how accurate are these results?



MyHeritage results
46.1% English
44.6% East European
2.1% Italian
4.2% West Asian
3.0% Middle Eastern


gencove results
25% Northern and Central Europe
21% Northeast Europe
19% Northern Italy
17% Scandinavia
9% Northern British Isles
4% Eastern Mediterranean
3% Central Asia
2% Southwestern Europe


Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
39.19% North_Atlantic
27.89% Baltic
13.76% West_Med
9.92% West_Asian
7.42% East_Med

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 4.396729
2 East_German @ 6.424051
3 West_German @ 7.681774
4 Hungarian @ 8.909845
5 South_Dutch @ 9.194226
6 North_German @ 9.849781
7 Danish @ 12.931463
8 North_Dutch @ 13.091660
9 Swedish @ 13.367136
10 Southeast_English @ 13.662860
11 French @ 13.925205
12 Norwegian @ 14.534492
13 Orcadian @ 14.562654
14 Croatian @ 14.927571
15 Serbian @ 14.971556
16 North_Swedish @ 15.319196
17 Irish @ 15.444537
18 Southwest_English @ 15.737564
19 Moldavian @ 16.312681
20 West_Scottish @ 16.510530

Using 2 populations approximation:
50% Irish +50% Moldavian @ 3.263832

Using 3 populations approximation:
50% Irish +25% Moldavian +25% Serbian @ 2.699160


Eurogenes K10
South Asian @ 0.41
Caucasus @ 10.33
Southwest Asian @ 1.80
North Amerindian + Arctic @ 0.19
Siberian @ 0.56
Mediterranean @ 15.66
East Asian @ 0.06
West African @ -
East European @ 27.70
North Atlantic @ 43.30


DNA Land
Northwest European 50%
North Slavic 27%
South European 22% (South/Central European 19% + Balkan 2.3%)
Kalash 1.9%
West Eurasian 100%

Northwest European
Includes: Scottish Argyll_Bute_GBR and British in England; Icelandic in Iceland; Norwegian in Norway and Orcadian in Orkney Islands
Does not include: Saharawi in (Morocco) Western Sahara; Piapoco in Colombia; Estonian in Estonia; Basque/French and French in (South and 1 other site) France; Basque/Spanish and Iberian Population in Spain; Finnish in Finland and Gambian in Western Gambia

North Slavic
Includes: Belarusian in Belarus; Estonian in Estonia; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Mordovian and Russian in Russia and Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine
Does not include: Altaian, Kalmyk, Nganasan and Adygei in (Caucasus and 3 other sites) Russia; Turkmen in Uzbekistan; Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria; Italian/Bergamo in (Bergamo) Italy; Norwegian in Norway; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Istanbul) Turkey; Finnish in Finland and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

South/Central European
Includes: Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani in (Bergamo, Tuscany and 1 other site) Italy
Does not include: Albanian in Albania; Basque/French in France; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/WestSicilian and Sardinian in (Sardinia and 2 other sites) Italy and Lithuanian in Lithuania

Balkan
Includes: Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece
Does not include: Egyptian in (2 sites) Egypt; Belarusian in Belarus; Italian/EastSicilian, Italian/Bergamo and Toscani in (Bergamo and 2 other sites) Italy; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Ashkenazi Jew in Poland; Turkish in (Aydin, Balikesir and Istanbul) Turkey; Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)

Kalash
Includes: Kalash in Pakistan
Does not include: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Uzbek in Uzbekistan and Burusho, Hazara and Pathan in Pakistan

[Smeagol]

White Australian of mixed ethnic ancestry. Seems like your ''Polish'' side is more likely something from Southeastern Europe though.

[Bobby Martnen]

White Australian of mixed ethnic ancestry. Seems like your ''Polish'' side is more likely something from Southeastern Europe though.

Maybe Southern Poles from the Cracow area?

[Leto]

Only 28% Baltic on Eurogenes? That's too little for a half Pole. Poles are over 40% and Western Europeans are over 20%. Logically, you should be like 32-34%.

[PoliAussie]

Maybe Southern Poles from the Cracow area?

It states on their birth certificates that my grandfather was born in Swierzowa, Poland and my grandmother was born in Chryniowce, Poland (Ukraine now, formerly Poland when she was born pre-WWII). So, even further south than Cracow.


Only 28% Baltic on Eurogenes? That's too little for a half Pole. Poles are over 40% and Western Europeans are over 20%. Logically, you should be like 32-34%.

So then, I am not half Polish? Considering my Western European side seems to be very dominant - perhaps it has brought my Baltic percentage down? And maybe if my mother was DNA tested, she would have a higher Baltic reading in the range you mentioned?

Also, although it may appear obvious in a geographical sense, I am not entirely sure why an ethnic Pole would need to have such a high Baltic percentage. Why is this? According to this source (http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/poles.html): "The Balto-Slavic mtDNA haplogroup W6a is found in small proportions among Poles." Isn't a lower Baltic percentage simply indicative of a more prominent Polish southerly lineage?

[Leto]

The 'Baltic' on GM simply means Eastern European, Balto-Slavic and similar things. Check the spreadsheet for K13 and you'll see the Polish averages.

[TeutonicBoyars]

The low Baltic score on Eurogenes K13 does imply that your Polish ancestors may have not been entirely Polish genetically. Poland had many minorities in the past, from Germans to Ukrainians, Frisians to Belarussians, so I think some of your Polish ancestors might have been from more South-Easterly regions originally. If you were half Polish I'd expect your Baltic score to range from anywhere between 30-40%, depending on DNA recombination.

[PoliAussie]

Interesting. It looks like I am almost dead-on an ethnic Austrian:

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But would this not be my genetics merely masquerading as Austrian? It could be that my father's heavy north-western European lineage is 'balancing out' my mother's central and south European lineage, giving me results that look Austrian? If my mother did a DNA test, I assume her percentages would be higher for central European and eastern European/Baltic.

I suppose ethnically I'm predominantly north-western European, a quarter central European and a quarter Eastern European. Or is this too simple a summary?

My K36 results for further consideration:

North Sea 13.56
North Atlantic 13.80
French 2.91
East Central Euro 10.10
Eastern Euro 6.93
Basque 0.69
Iberian 9.86
West Med 3.66
Italian 7.63
East Balkan 8.79
Fennoscandian 8.42
Central Euro 7.49
Amenian 0.87
East med 0.23
North Caucasian 4.94
West Caucasian 0.13

[Leto]

Interesting. It looks like I am almost dead-on an ethnic Austrian:

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Which function is that? I wanna try it myself.

[PoliAussie]

Which function is that? I wanna try it myself.

I literally just copy-pasted the K13 spreadsheet into Excel and added my own 'Me' row ;)

Here's the spreadsheet (I still haven't worked out how to attach things properly) 75180

[PoliAussie]

So another question I have is what is the reason for my West Asian percentage being so high? From my research, it seems it could be from a myriad of sources - Romans, Aryans, Minoan Greeks and the Etruscans etc... is there another DNA test I can do to drill into this further? K36 puts North Caucasian at 4.94% and West Caucasian at 0.13%, K10 Caucasus at 10.33%, and K13 West Asian at 9.92%.

[Dragoon]

Looking at the ancestry

You are of British and Polish ancestry.
The Polish ancestry may be: a)Polish or b)Polish and something else.

Some possibilities: Italian, any nation near Italy. Noticed that the list excluded Romania, and maybe Askhenazi.

Have no experience with MyHeritage and DNALand but it would be interesting to know how "far back" they go.


Moving on to ethnicity. Well that depends on your culture, ancestry, language, etc.
You speak English and have British/English ancestry. If you speak and/or follow Polish culture you can add that.
AngloAustralian or Polish-Anglo-Australian.

[PoliAussie]

Looking at the ancestry

You are of British and Polish ancestry.
The Polish ancestry may be: a)Polish or b)Polish and something else.

Some possibilities: Italian, any nation near Italy. Noticed that the list excluded Romania, and maybe Askhenazi.

Have no experience with MyHeritage and DNALand but it would be interesting to know how "far back" they go.


Moving on to ethnicity. Well that depends on your culture, ancestry, language, etc.
You speak English and have British/English ancestry. If you speak and/or follow Polish culture you can add that.
AngloAustralian or Polish-Anglo-Australian.

Thanks Dragoon - that's a good summary. But following on from my previous post: is my high(ish) West Asian lineage congruent with being Polish? My West Asian percentage is still 3.36% higher than even the South Polish population group on the K13 chart. Or is the difference negligible?

[Dragoon]

Think it is minor and not so important.
For example: 23andme (300-500 years) website no middle east, but on ftdna website i get minor/tiny middle east (ftdna goes back 1000-2000 years).
It might be very old traces.

[PoliAussie]

You might be interested to know MyHeritage goes back 2,000 years. I emailed them yesterday and they got back to me quickly.

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So perhaps it is 'old DNA' as you put it. For all I know, I've had ancestors in Poland since its birth, and the ~1,000 years prior to that might be where the West Asian lineage comes from.