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Peterski
05-05-2018, 08:55 AM
Some samples of R1a with ancestry from East Prussia (most of M458 from East Prussia have surnames of Slavic origin):

1. Subclades common among East Balts:

Origin of surname kit number R1a subclade:

German kit 329192 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y16755>YP4296
German kit 221446 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
German kit 162556 - Z92>Y4459>YP5520
Polonized German* kit N2278 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP1700
German (?)** kit 71994 - CTS1211>YP1034>YP4258
German kit 85285 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295>L366>Y P5223
German kit 175710 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y2910>Y2915
Unknown kit E10339 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP951>Y17619
Unknown kit N43077 - Z92+
Polish kit 426239 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>YP968>YP969>YP4335
Polish kit 157553 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
Polish kit 161829 - S24902>YP561>YP4094>YP4078
Polish kit E4688 - Z92+

*Lamka, it is a common Polish surname but of German origin according to:

http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44&sub=543


Lamka - from lama, lamować, from German personal names Lamm, Lambert.

**Pallaschke, sounds German but could be Germanized of Slavic origin.

2. Subclades common among Kashubians:

Origin of surname kit number R1a subclade:

German kit 165792 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>Y P243>YP389>YP4669
German kit N7393 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>Y P243
Polish kit E9666 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>Y P243>YP269>Y6956>L670

3. Subclades common among East Slavs:

Surname kit number R1a subclade:

Czeranna kit 316853 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP682
Skubinna* kit 415060 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP1256>YP4846
Glass kit 175710 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y2910>Y2915

*Apparently a Lithuanian surname, although they came from Russia?:


there was some interest in my surname, Skubinna. My FTDNA Kit is #415060/R1a-YP569.

Testing indicates the family goes back to the Ryazan Oblast of Russia in the 1500s. In 1600, they were living in Latvia. At some point after that year, they were Lithuanians living in Lithuania Minor which when it became part of Germany was known as East Prussia. According to the language experts at the Library of Congress, the name Skubina/Skubinna is Lithuanian and means "to be in a hurry" or "to be quick." My direct ancestor was Petras/Peter Skubinna. In 1720 he was paying land taxes at Loyen (near Dubeningken) in Kreis/County Goldap, East Prussia. His sons all had Lithuanian Christian names until the 1730s. if any one would like more information on my family's heritage or an article on the history of Lithuania Minor feel free to email me at mskubinna at yahoo.

As far as I can tell from the church records going back to the 1730, a few of my Skubinna relatives were still using Lithuanian names as late as the 1840s. None after that date. My paternal Great-Grandfather came to the U.S.A. in 1885. He only spoke German, but because he originally engaged in timbering in Michigan he had Swedish employees and learned that language. In 1892, he move to North Dakota and became a prosperous rancher. He hired fellow Germans and a number of Russian men and women to work for him raising wheat. So he also learned enough Russian to be able to work with them.

4. Other samples of R1a from East Prussia:

Origin of surname kit number R1a subclade:

Polish kit N1840 - M458>PF7521>L260>YP256>YP254>Y4135>Y14244
Jewish? (Rosenbaum) kit B14462 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029>YP263>Y2921>Y2914>Y20359
German kit 145992 - M458+
Germanized Slavic kit 31553 - M458>PF7521>L260+
Polish kit N5198 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029+
German kit 137403 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>YP515
Germanized Slavic kit 200664 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>YP315>YP314
Polish kit N18451 - CTS1211>YP343>YP340
German kit 153224 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613
German kit 275076 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613>Y2609>Y2608>YP613
Germanized Slavic kit 330940 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448
Polish kit E4464 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448>FGC19273
Polish kit 2546 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>Y12463 >YP1428*
Polish kit 131361 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>Y 3219>YP1144>PH3519-B2

Low resolution of Y-SNPs:

Origin of surname kit number R1a subclade:

German kit E6115 - M512+
Polish kit E10941 - M198+
German kit E2656 - M198+
German kit N2864 - M417+
German kit 145455 - M417+
Bobby Martnen
05-05-2018, 08:58 AM
Which R1a subclade was Rethel? :picard2:
Peterski
05-05-2018, 08:59 AM
We don't know what subclades of R1a did the original West Balts (including Old Prussians) have, because they are extinct as an ethnicity. Of course their descendants are still alive, but not all of R1a in East Prussia was native to West Balts, there were also immigrant R1a lineages, both Slavic and Lithuanian/Latvian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

Many East Germans from areas like Lower Silesia settled in East Prussia, they often carried Slavic Y-DNA and/or had Germanized Slavic surnames.
Slavic Italian
09-27-2018, 11:54 PM
We don't know what subclades of R1a did the original West Balts (including Old Prussians) have, because they are extinct as an ethnicity. Of course their descendants are still alive, but not all of R1a in East Prussia was native to West Balts, there were also immigrant R1a lineages, both Slavic and Lithuanian/Latvian.


Like me.
Artek
09-28-2018, 06:17 AM
We don't know what subclades of R1a did the original West Balts (including Old Prussians) have,

I beg your pardon but we know of some of the subclades that certainly were present among Old Prussians (and quite likely their nobility as well), because many Old Prussians migrated to Poland and some of them quickly became a part of nobility in Masovia.

In case of such background, ancestry of some of the Old Prussian descents is quite well documented and many of them didn't cease to use Old Prussian first names (like Gedejt, Obizor, Sklodo) till the XVII century.

Such definitely Old Prussian clades under Z280 are:
Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295
Pandit
09-28-2018, 06:46 AM
Are there any European community that carries R1a-z93 in significant amount like Brahmins, Kshatriyas ?
Artek
09-28-2018, 11:55 AM
Are there any European community that carries R1a-z93 in significant amount like Brahmins, Kshatriyas ?

Most of European communities and nations have 0,1-4% of R1a-Z93.

Locally, in isolated places, percentage may be slightly higher.
For example, Pasiego Valley inhabitants in Cantabria, Spain have ~10% of R1a but we don't know its subbranch - although there are hints through private testing that it may be uder Z93.

Just guessing - some communities in Hungary can have higher % of R1a-Z93 as well, although it is not proven and many places were razed to the ground by Mongols or Ottomans.

All in all, we can't speak of such high percentage as among some Brahmin or Kshatriya groups.
Pandit
10-04-2018, 11:01 AM
Most of European communities and nations have 0,1-4% of R1a-Z93.

Locally, in isolated places, percentage may be slightly higher.
For example, Pasiego Valley inhabitants in Cantabria, Spain have ~10% of R1a but we don't know its subbranch - although there are hints through private testing that it may be uder Z93.

Just guessing - some communities in Hungary can have higher % of R1a-Z93 as well, although it is not proven and many places were razed to the ground by Mongols or Ottomans.

All in all, we can't speak of such high percentage as among some Brahmin or Kshatriya groups.

Thank you for the detailed answer.

It seems Androtovo was Aryan civilization/Culture strictly.

Can you tell me oldest Known record of R1a_z93 ? As far as i know, Oldest R1a mummy was from Volga basin.

But i am not sure.
Pandit
10-04-2018, 11:03 AM
Most of European communities and nations have 0,1-4% of R1a-Z93.

Locally, in isolated places, percentage may be slightly higher.
For example, Pasiego Valley inhabitants in Cantabria, Spain have ~10% of R1a but we don't know its subbranch - although there are hints through private testing that it may be uder Z93.

Just guessing - some communities in Hungary can have higher % of R1a-Z93 as well, although it is not proven and many places were razed to the ground by Mongols or Ottomans.

All in all, we can't speak of such high percentage as among some Brahmin or Kshatriya groups.

Thank you for the detailed answer.

It seems Androtovo was Aryan civilization/Culture strictly.

Can you tell me oldest Known record of R1a_z93 ? As far as i know, Oldest R1a mummy was from Volga basin.

But i am not sure.
Jana
10-04-2018, 11:17 AM
Are there any European community that carries R1a-z93 in significant amount like Brahmins, Kshatriyas ?

Yes, Roma (Gypsies) from Hungary and Croatia have around 30% of R1a Z93.
Pandit
10-04-2018, 12:35 PM
Yes, Roma (Gypsies) from Hungary and Croatia have around 30% of R1a Z93.

So gypsies are same as Gujjars. Another central Asian tribal confederacy.
Peterski
10-05-2018, 08:35 AM
Are there any European community that carries R1a-z93 in significant amount like Brahmins, Kshatriyas ?

Ashkenazi Jewish Levites have a lot of of R1a-Z93.


Yes, Roma (Gypsies) from Hungary and Croatia have around 30% of R1a Z93.

??? The main haplogroup of Gypsies is H1a1a-M82:

https://www.abroadintheyard.com/dna-study-finds-european-gypsies-left-their-ancestral-home-in-northwest-india-1400-years-ago/
Pribislav
10-05-2018, 08:43 AM
Ashkenazi Jewish Levites have a lot of of R1a-Z93.

Khazars.
Peterski
10-05-2018, 08:47 AM
Khazars.

Actually it seems to have Middle Eastern / Iranian origin, see these links:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS6/

https://jewishdna.net/AB-067.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3928

This Ashkenazi Levite subclade is called CTS6 or M582.
Carpatz
10-05-2018, 08:56 AM
Yes, Roma (Gypsies) from Hungary and Croatia have around 30% of R1a Z93.

Source for this? I've seen a study for balkan gypsies and they were found to be mainly H and E-V13
Peterski
10-05-2018, 09:03 AM
Source for this? I've seen a study for balkan gypsies and they were found out to be mainly H and E-V13

Stears is trolling from Jana's account.
Jana
10-05-2018, 09:32 AM
Source for this? I've seen a study for balkan gypsies and they were found to be mainly H and E-V13
Yes, ofcourse I have it. Our Gypsies are different than other Balkan Gypsies.

R-M780 occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary.


Stears is trolling from Jana's account.
No, you are just fucking jelaous you got H and Ev13 Gypsies, while all the Aryan ones went to us. Deal with it.
Carpatz
10-05-2018, 09:43 AM
Yes, ofcourse I have it. Our Gypsies are different than other Balkan Gypsies.



No, you are just fucking jelaous you got H and Ev13 Gypsies, while all the Aryan ones went to us. Deal with it.

No need to get hostile Stears. Also Poland doesn't even have gypsies so leave Peterski out of this. In this study gypsies barely get any R1 so what you quoted seems dubious to me. Their high levels of H and low levels of R1a fits with what we knew all along, that gypsies are descended of lower caste untouchables from India.

Haplogroup H – 59.6%
Haplogroup E – 29.8%
Haplogroup I – 5.3%
Haplogroup R – 3.%, of which the half are R1b
Haplogroup G – 1.8%

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/22/10/1964/1137872
Jana
10-05-2018, 09:47 AM
No need to get hostile Stears. Also Poland doesn't even have gypsies so leave Peterski out of this. In this study gypsies barely get any R1 so what you quoted seems dubious to me. Their high levels of H and low levels of R1a fits with what we knew all along, that gypsies are descended of lower caste untouchables from India.

Haplogroup H – 59.6%
Haplogroup E – 29.8%
Haplogroup I – 5.3%
Haplogroup R – 3.%, of which the half are R1b
Haplogroup G – 1.8%

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/22/10/1964/1137872

You are angry, because you are R1a and ashamed that lot of Gypsies have it too. Why are you so racist ? They are your Aryan brothers :))))
IncelSlayer
10-05-2018, 09:47 AM
Yes, ofcourse I have it. Our Gypsies are different than other Balkan Gypsies.



No, you are just fucking jelaous you got H and Ev13 Gypsies, while all the Aryan ones went to us. Deal with it.

That's because the "gypsies" you have, are nothing more than the original indo-aryan Hrvat tribes,whom have overwritten your original serb name, after subduing you into slavery.
Jana
10-05-2018, 09:49 AM
That's because the "gypsies" you have, are nothing more than the original indo-aryan Hrvat tribes,whom have overwritten your original serb name, after subduing you into slavery.

Asian R1a does not exist among ethnic Croatians.
IncelSlayer
10-05-2018, 09:51 AM
Asian R1a does not exist among ethnic Croatians.

The R1a-Z93 people in Croatia are croats,they've been long enough there to be considered part of Croatian ethnogenesis.
Carpatz
10-05-2018, 09:55 AM
The R1a-Z93 people in Croatia are croats,they've been long enough there to be considered part of Croatian ethnogenesis.

It's very sad how these Serb imposters stole the name of Indo-Aryans and now denigrate them by calling them "gypsies"