Welsh GEDmatch result, finally!

[Sikeliot]

I am not seeing any significant differences to English, Irish, or Scottish people nor much distance from Germans and Dutch either.

Eurogenes K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.26
2 Baltic 26.14
3 West_Med 12.34
4 West_Asian 7.71
5 South_Asian 2.87
6 Red_Sea 1.78
7 Sub-Saharan 0.63
8 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 4.51
2 North_German 4.65
3 Danish 4.66
4 Irish 4.82
5 Orcadian 5.16
6 Norwegian 5.45
7 West_Scottish 5.87
8 Swedish 6.32
9 Southwest_English 6.7
10 Southeast_English 6.74
11 South_Dutch 8.79
12 West_German 9.7
13 North_Swedish 12.05
14 East_German 12.52
15 Austrian 12.66
16 French 14.57
17 Hungarian 17.23
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.73
19 South_Polish 21.6
20 Spanish_Cataluna 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Irish + 14% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.01
2 88.2% Irish + 11.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.08
3 90% Irish + 10% Erzya @ 3.08
4 88.9% Irish + 11.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.13
5 87.9% Irish + 12.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.13
6 86.5% Irish + 13.5% Polish @ 3.17
7 86.9% Irish + 13.1% Ukrainian @ 3.17
8 85.5% Irish + 14.5% South_Polish @ 3.19
9 88.5% Irish + 11.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.21
10 88.5% Irish + 11.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.27
11 86.1% Irish + 13.9% Croatian @ 3.31
12 89.6% Irish + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 3.33
13 87.1% Irish + 12.9% Moldavian @ 3.33
14 77.6% Irish + 22.4% East_German @ 3.34
15 88.7% Irish + 11.3% Belorussian @ 3.36
16 82.8% West_Scottish + 17.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.37
17 95.1% North_Dutch + 4.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.38
18 90.3% Irish + 9.7% Tatar @ 3.41
19 95.2% North_Dutch + 4.8% Kalash @ 3.41
20 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Gujarati @ 3.43


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.79
2 Atlantic 27.65
3 Eastern_Euro 11.83
4 Baltic 11.5
5 West_Med 8.18
6 West_Asian 5.21
7 South_Asian 1.76
8 Red_Sea 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 3.79
2 Danish 4.63
3 Southeast_English 5.35
4 North_Dutch 5.42
5 Southwest_English 5.61
6 Irish 5.71
7 West_Scottish 5.97
8 South_Dutch 6.13
9 Orcadian 7.44
10 Norwegian 7.88
11 West_German 8.6
12 Swedish 8.84
13 West_Norwegian 9.52
14 East_German 9.94
15 North_Swedish 10
16 French 11.34
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.21
18 Austrian 14.11
19 Hungarian 15.14
20 Finnish 16.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.7% West_Scottish + 35.3% East_German @ 2.98
2 87.1% Southeast_English + 12.9% Erzya @ 3.09
3 58.3% Orcadian + 41.7% East_German @ 3.1
4 85.4% Southeast_English + 14.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.12
5 80.3% West_Scottish + 19.7% Moldavian @ 3.21
6 85.4% Southeast_English + 14.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.23
7 84.7% Southwest_English + 15.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.24
8 67.2% Orcadian + 32.8% Austrian @ 3.24
9 79% West_Scottish + 21% Croatian @ 3.27
10 70.7% North_German + 29.3% Southwest_English @ 3.28
11 73.8% Orcadian + 26.2% Croatian @ 3.3
12 66.8% Irish + 33.2% East_German @ 3.3
13 86.7% Southwest_English + 13.3% Erzya @ 3.3
14 85.5% Southeast_English + 14.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.32
15 85% Southeast_English + 15% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.41
16 84.8% Southwest_English + 15.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.42
17 85.7% Southeast_English + 14.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.42
18 74.2% Southwest_English + 25.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.43
19 83.1% Southeast_English + 16.9% Polish @ 3.43
20 84.8% Southwest_English + 15.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.45



MDLP K16:
# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 28.64
2 NorthEastEuropean 26.87
3 Steppe 24.42
4 Caucasian 18.28
5 Indian 1.3
6 Ancestor 0.28
7 NorthAfrican 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 2.15
2 Irish (Connacht) 2.34
3 Scottish (Highlands) 2.47
4 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 2.53
5 Irish (Munster) 2.57
6 English (Cornwall) 2.73
7 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 2.74
8 English (England) 2.79
9 Scottish (Grampian) 2.87
10 Scottish (Fife) 2.91
11 Irish (Ulster) 2.94
12 Irish (Leinster) 3.06
13 French (WestFrance) 3.2
14 English (Kent) 3.32
15 Scottish (Borders) 3.41
16 Dutch (Netherlands) 3.7
17 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 3.9
18 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.06
19 Norwegian (Norwegia) 5.1
20 Welsh (Wales) 5.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 37.8% German (Germany) @ 1.62
2 61.4% English (Cornwall) + 38.6% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.84
3 61.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 38.5% German (Germany) @ 1.87
4 72.6% English (Cornwall) + 27.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.99
5 78.3% English (Cornwall) + 21.7% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.02
6 69.1% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 30.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.05
7 63.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 36.3% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.05
8 82.8% English (Cornwall) + 17.2% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.07
9 84.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 15.4% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.07
10 73.6% Irish (Connacht) + 26.4% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.07
11 84% English (Cornwall) + 16% Croat (Croatia) @ 2.07
12 81.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 18.3% English (Kent) @ 2.07
13 70.9% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 29.1% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.09
14 91.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 8.3% German (Germany) @ 2.09
15 99.1% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 0.9% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.09
16 86.4% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 13.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.1
17 86.6% English (Cornwall) + 13.4% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.1
18 87% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 2.1
19 78.6% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 21.4% English (Cornwall) @ 2.1
20 99% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.11


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.83
2 Atlantic_Med 37.75
3 Gedrosia 10.77
4 Caucasus 6.13
5 South_Asian 0.9
6 Northwest_African 0.32
7 East_African 0.18
8 Southwest_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 1.21
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 2.71
3 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 4.41
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 4.55
5 English (Dodecad) 4.62
6 British_Isles (Dodecad) 6.07
7 Argyll (1000Genomes) 6.5
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 6.89
9 British (Dodecad) 6.95
10 Orkney (1000Genomes) 7.15
11 Irish (Dodecad) 7.26
12 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.29
13 German (Dodecad) 7.71
14 French (Dodecad) 9.4
15 French (HGDP) 10.03
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 11.75
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 13.81
18 Hungarians (Behar) 15.6
19 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 22.42
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 23.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 0.59
2 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 0.59
3 98.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.1% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 0.59
4 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Gond (Metspalu) @ 0.6
5 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 0.6
6 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 0.6
7 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 0.6
8 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 0.6
9 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 0.61
10 98.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.3% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.61
11 98.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.3% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.61
12 98.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.3% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.62
13 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.62
14 99% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 0.62
15 98.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.3% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 0.62
16 98.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.4% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 0.63
17 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 0.63
18 98.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.1% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 0.63
19 98.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.3% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.63
20 98.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 1.2% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.65


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 48.89
2 SW_Europe 34.55
3 West_Asia 9.17
4 South_Asia 3.35
5 SW_Asia 1.26
6 West_Africa 1.22
7 South_Africa 0.7
8 Americas 0.68
9 East_Africa 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.86
2 Orcadian 3.9
3 Utahn_European 3.97
4 Scottish 3.98
5 English 4.2
6 German_North 5.49
7 German_South 5.93
8 Belgian 6.35
9 Hungarian 6.4
10 Slovene 6.65
11 Slovak 6.74
12 Norwegian 6.76
13 Ukrainian 8.37
14 Croatian 8.49
15 Swedish 8.94
16 Moldavian 9.75
17 French 9.88
18 Bosnian 10.74
19 Belarusian 12.54
20 Serbian 13.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.08
2 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Mawasi @ 2.15
3 96.2% Irish + 3.8% Pulliyar @ 2.16
4 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Paniya @ 2.24
5 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Hakkipikki @ 2.27
6 96.2% Irish + 3.8% North_Kannadi @ 2.28
7 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Gond @ 2.3
8 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Pulliyar @ 2.32
9 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Mawasi @ 2.32
10 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Sakilli @ 2.33
11 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Chenchus @ 2.34
12 96% Irish + 4% UP_Muslim @ 2.37
13 95.9% Utahn_European + 4.1% UP_Muslim @ 2.4
14 96.2% Utahn_European + 3.8% North_Kannadi @ 2.41
15 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Hakkipikki @ 2.42
16 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.42
17 96.2% Utahn_European + 3.8% Sakilli @ 2.42
18 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% North_Kannadi @ 2.43
19 96.1% Utahn_European + 3.9% Kurumba @ 2.43
20 96.1% Orcadian + 3.9% Gond @ 2.44

[Leto]

What do you mean by finally? And this is nothing to you?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?240539-Does-anyone-have-any-Welsh-GEDMatch-IDs-or-results/page2&highlight=Welsh

[Sikeliot]

What do you mean by finally? And this is nothing to you?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?240539-Does-anyone-have-any-Welsh-GEDMatch-IDs-or-results/page2&highlight=Welsh


I mean one of my own finding.

[Leto]

I mean one of my own finding.
You haven't given any opinion regarding those results even though it was you who requested them.

[Sikeliot]

You haven't given any opinion regarding those results even though it was you who requested them.

I maintain what I said: there does not appear to be any large difference between Wales, England, Ireland, or Scotland genetically. No matter what anyone thinks.

[Leto]

I maintain what I said: there does not appear to be any large difference between Wales, England, Ireland, or Scotland genetically. No matter what anyone thinks.
I agree. I treat the British and Irish as one genetic group. In England there's a lot of partially Irish people and no one considers them to be any different nowadays. For example Paul McCartney is universally regarded as an English musician which he is of course.

[Sikeliot]

I agree. I treat the British and Irish as one genetic group. In England there's a lot of partially Irish people and no one considers them to be any different nowadays. For example Paul McCartney is universally regarded as an English musician which he is of course.

British and Irish people have all mixed significantly. But what we can see is that based on the GEDmatch results of a full Anglo-Saxon, modern English people are definitely not just Anglo-Saxon transplants; they are closer to the Welsh.

[Wrong]

That's pretty high South Asian if you ask me.

17 95.1% North_Dutch + 4.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.38

[Nurzat]

I wonder what's with the South Asian score among Northern Europeans - average seems to be high, 2-3%, it surely is noise of some sort or some basal old stuff, I don't think it's Gypsy ancestry

[Tooting Carmen]

Not much different to other NW Europeans.

[Bobby Martnen]

I agree. I treat the British and Irish as one genetic group. In England there's a lot of partially Irish people and no one considers them to be any different nowadays. For example Paul McCartney is universally regarded as an English musician which he is of course.

Paul McCartney has actual English ancestry. A fullblood Irishman born in England is not English, no matter how many generations their family has lived there.

[Bobby Martnen]

British and Irish people have all mixed significantly. But what we can see is that based on the GEDmatch results of a full Anglo-Saxon, modern English people are definitely not just Anglo-Saxon transplants; they are closer to the Welsh.

All of their language and culture is Germanic, though. Anglo-Saxons came and mixed with and assimilated local British people.

[Bobby Martnen]

I wonder what's with the South Asian score among Northern Europeans - average seems to be high, 2-3%, it surely is noise of some sort or some basal old stuff, I don't think it's Gypsy ancestry

I get 1.2 South Asian on Eurogenes K15, and my mother (who has Yugoslav and Central European ancestry) scores none, so it's not from Gypsies. It must be from my Dutch/Irish father.

[Aren]

British and Irish people have all mixed significantly. But what we can see is that based on the GEDmatch results of a full Anglo-Saxon, modern English people are definitely not just Anglo-Saxon transplants; they are closer to the Welsh.

There wasn't that much of difference in auDNA between Anglo-Saxons and the Brythionic Celts anyways. Other than Y-DNA I suppose.

[Leto]

Paul McCartney has actual English ancestry. A fullblood Irishman born in England is not English, no matter how many generations their family has lived there.
I disagree. An Irishman whose name is John or Paul, who were born in England and speaks British English is barely different from other white British people either racially or culturally. Which cannot be so easily said about blacks and Asians.

[Bobby Martnen]

I disagree. An Irishman whose name is John or Paul, who were born in England and speaks British English is barely different from other white British people either racially or culturally. Which cannot be so easily said about blacks and Asians.

What about a Pole born in Britain who is named "John Paul"???

[Leto]

What about a Pole born in Britain who is named "John Paul"???
Poles are not from the British Isles, the Irish are. But of course any white nationalist will tell you that a Pole is more desirable than a Jamaican or Pakistani, which I find hard to disagree with, even if I'm not really a WN myself.

[Bobby Martnen]

Poles are not from the British Isles, the Irish are. But of course any white nationalist will tell you that a Pole is more desirable than a Jamaican or Pakistani, which I find hard to disagree with, even if I'm not really a WN myself.

But Irish are their own ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and genetic group. Brits have much more I1 than Irishmen, which shows their Anglo-Saxon roots.

And Irishmen in Britain are often Catholic, instead of Anglican (like Brits are)

[Token]

Extremely un-Celtic. It is becoming more and more obvious that British people are ultimately descended from Celticized Nordwestblok speakers, the new David Reich will put an end to the overestimated celticity of the isles.

[Peterski]

Extremely un-Celtic. It is becoming more and more obvious that British people are ultimately descended from Celticized Nordwestblok speakers, the new David Reich will put an end to the overestimated celticity of the isles.

Do you have any Ancient Celtic genomes for comparison?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243191-Were-Celts-once-30-40-of-Europe-s-population

[Leto]

But Irish are their own ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and genetic group. Brits have much more I1 than Irishmen, which shows their Anglo-Saxon roots.

And Irishmen in Britain are often Catholic, instead of Anglican (like Brits are)
Bro, none of that stuff really matters in reality. I1, Anglo-Saxon, even Catholicism (there are actually British-born Catholics).

[Bobby Martnen]

Bro, none of that stuff really matters in reality. I1, Anglo-Saxon, even Catholicism (there are actually British-born Catholics).

But most of the British-born Catholics descend from Irish migrants, not native Brits.

I think that ethnically homogenous countries are good, like Poland. Migrants cause a lot of trouble and shit in Britain.

[Token]

Do you have any Ancient Celtic genomes for comparison?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?243191-Were-Celts-once-30-40-of-Europe-s-population
We have Iron Age samples from Britain, but they are not representative of early Celts, and we do have a lot of indirect evidence suggesting that they were closest to the populations now inhabiting the ancient Celtic core. David Reich apparently detected an Iron Age migration to the isles that possibly brought Celtic languages together with additional Neolithic ancestry, modern Celtic speakers are still overwhelmingly Bell Beaker which is too early for Proto-Celtic.

[Tooting Carmen]

Phenotype differences between the different parts of the British Isles are minor, but they do exist. Here are a Welshman and Irishman who would look relatively atypical for England but are pretty common for their respective countries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0RDadPheNQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkVG7HJqfwY

[Bellbeaking]

Nice find OP. I wouldn't discount significant Anglo-Sax admixture in england considering there was that neolithic resurgance even there (whatever caused it). Anglo sax migrations may have just brought them close back to where they started in terms of southern shitf