Turkic or bullshit?

[Senpai]

back again trying to solve this riddle.. On my raw DNA on myheritage I cored roughly 6-7% MENA. On GEDMatch, on most eurogenes and dodecad calc's I have right around 7-9% Caucasian, or 5-9% West Asian and 1-3% Siberian. When I look at the mixed heritage oracle, they'll usually say 88-94% some Northwest European (Usually Orkney, Norwegian, Northern English) and 6-12% of a variety of different things, such as Tatar, Nogay, Balkar, or Karbardian.

My great great grandmother was adopted, so it's impossible to trace who her father/my great great great grandfather was. They were well known for looking "different" than the rest of the family, darker complected. I guess what I'm asking is does this oracle provide some sort of evidence that my 3x grandfather was Turkic?
Thanks!

[Marmara]

Yes, could be.

[İrle]

Check out your Amerindian score on MDLP K23b and PuntDNAL K12. If your "mongoloid" admix is represented by Amerindian, it could be Native American. If it isn't, that could be Sami admix too, since your ancestors from N.West Europe. I don't think you have Turkic ancestors.

[Senpai]

Check out your Amerindian score on MDLP K23b and PuntDNAL K12. If your "mongoloid" admix is represented by Amerindian, it could be Native American. If it isn't, that could be Sami admix too, since your ancestors from N.West Europe. I don't think you have Turkic ancestors.

I have zero Amerindian on any calc that targets it.

[Senpai]

Check out your Amerindian score on MDLP K23b and PuntDNAL K12. If your "mongoloid" admix is represented by Amerindian, it could be Native American. If it isn't, that could be Sami admix too, since your ancestors from N.West Europe. I don't think you have Turkic ancestors.

I also have 5% Finnish on myheritage.

[Marmara]

Check out your Amerindian score on MDLP K23b and PuntDNAL K12. If your "mongoloid" admix is represented by Amerindian, it could be Native American. If it isn't, that could be Sami admix too, since your ancestors from N.West Europe. I don't think you have Turkic ancestors.

Could be Tatar

[Senpai]

K12 Puntdnal
South_Asian 1.09
Near_East 2.95
Siberian 0.71
European_HG 38.86
Caucasus_HG 18.86
Anatolian_NF 36.30
East_Asian 1.23

[Marmara]

K12 Puntdnal
South_Asian 1.09
Near_East 2.95
Siberian 0.71
European_HG 38.86
Caucasus_HG 18.86
Anatolian_NF 36.30
East_Asian 1.23

You score East Asian, not just Siberian, which strengthens the Turkic possibility.

[jackrussell]

Kabardian like me ?

:D

[Senpai]

You score East Asian, not just Siberian, which strengthens the Turkic possibility.

that's what I was thinking. There's a few photos of my great grandfather who would ave been the grandson of the missing link. i'm going to try to get a few and post them.

[İrle]

Could be Tatar

I doubt he has any Tatar ancestors. It seem very unlikely given to his ancestral locations.


I also have 5% Finnish on myheritage.

You propably have Sami admix.

[Senpai]

Kabardian like me ?

:D

Ya never know! I'm just really wanting to figure this out, because it's the last missing link in my DNA! Whatever it is, I know it's not an ethnic background common in the US. The daughter was conceived in 1874.

[Senpai]

I doubt he has any Tatar ancestors. It seem very unlikely given to his ancestral locations.



You propably have Sami admix.

My grandfather was well known for being dark, and looking "middle Eastern" and in the US in the 1950's "middle Eastern" could easily mean Caucasian because Americans are kinda ignorant to that stuff.

[Yaglakar]

Welcome to the club!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7isdv3mGg

:D

[Senpai]

Welcome to the club!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7isdv3mGg

:D

Badass video actually, haha.

Also guys for the record, forgot to mention I score 1.8 Nganasan on dna.land, not sure if that would help put things in perspective.

[Marmara]

You propably have Sami admix.

Samis are only Siberian, they don't have East Asian; besides, Samis aren't dark.

[Senpai]

Samis are only Siberian, they don't have East Asian; besides, Samis aren't dark.

This is the theme I noticed in researching them. They are all very light skinned with typically blonde hair. This isn't what my great grandfather looked like at all.

[Maintenance]

Lol turk

[jackrussell]

Ya never know! I'm just really wanting to figure this out, because it's the last missing link in my DNA! Whatever it is, I know it's not an ethnic background common in the US. The daughter was conceived in 1874.

Do you have family names ?

Etymology might help you perhaps.

[Senpai]

Do you have family names ?

Etymology might help you perhaps.

So my great great grandmothers name was Cecelia Buchman. The name Buchman comes from her adopted father who was German. Her mother was also german, her surname was Wirthman, but as stated any potential name was lost with her real father, because every census lists her German step father as her real father. I don't know how common it was for Turkish people to be in Germany in the 1870's or vice versa. can't find much information on it

[Leto]

puntDNAL K12 is not good, it gives too much Amerindian noise. K15 is better as well as MDLP and Dodecad.

[İrle]

Samis are only Siberian, they don't have East Asian; besides, Samis aren't dark.

East Asian and Siberian components are transitive between each other as well as other East Eurasian components. Don't take them so literally.

Tatars are not dark either.

[Beaudet]

It was a Hurrian clan, not Turkic. I've once perused some place that King Nai'ls title "Ilşu" (articulated Ilshu) was old Turkic for State (il) and Head/Leader (shu). This is horse crap and pseudo-etymology. Because it sounds like "Turk" doesn't imply that it's Turkic. By this rationale Turks and Caicos islands ought to be Turkish.

[Bornoz]

Balkar :lol:
I didn't know that we exist in USA

[Leto]

Balkar :lol:
I didn't know that we exist in USA
Are you half Kurdish half Balkar?

[Senpai]

Dodecad k12b:
1 North_European 42.75
2 Atlantic_Med 36.22
3 Gedrosia 9.56
4 Caucasus 7.18
5 Northwest_African 1.49
6 Siberian 1.15
7 Southwest_Asian 0.67
8 Sub_Saharan 0.64
9 Southeast_Asian 0.34
Mixed mode population sharing:
1 91.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 8.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.14
2 95.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.5% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
3 96% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.26
4 95% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.3
5 92.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 7.2% Turks (Behar) @ 2.3
6 92.6% Dutch (Dodecad) + 7.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.36
7 96% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2.36
8 92.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 7.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.36


K11 mDLP:
1 Neolithic 34.1
2 WHG 33.97
3 EHG 24.55
4 Iran-Mesolithic 2.54
5 Basal 2.19
6 Siberian 0.96
7 African 0.88
8 SEA 0.81

EUROGENES K15:
1 North_Sea 37.09
2 Atlantic 25.3
3 Baltic 11.58
4 West_Med 8.86
5 Eastern_Euro 7.51
6 West_Asian 5.19
7 Siberian 1.3
8 Sub-Saharan 1.04
9 Southeast_Asian 0.94
10 East_Med 0.55
11 South_Asian 0.41
12 Red_Sea 0.22

1 83.9% Orcadian + 16.1% Moldavian @ 3.08
2 79.3% Orcadian + 20.7% Hungarian @ 3.11
3 84.2% Orcadian + 15.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.19
4 74.2% Orcadian + 25.8% East_German @ 3.24
5 60.4% Southwest_English + 39.6% Swedish @ 3.25
6 95.3% North_Dutch + 4.7% Nogay @ 3.32
7 83.8% Orcadian + 16.2% Croatian @ 3.32
8 96.2% North_Dutch + 3.8% Hazara @ 3.32
9 97.2% North_Dutch + 2.8% Mongolian @ 3.33
10 84.8% Orcadian + 15.2% Ukrainian @ 3.33
11 97.5% North_Dutch + 2.5% Buryat @ 3.34
12 96% North_Dutch + 4% Uygur @ 3.3

[Pahli]

I think it might just be some East European / Russian ancestry

[Senpai]

I think it might just be some East European / Russian ancestry

I don't know enough to assume

[Bornoz]

Are you half Kurdish half Balkar?

Almost
Mother is 1/4 Georgian

[Wrong]

Samis are only Siberian, they don't have East Asian; besides, Samis aren't dark.
The unmixed Samis are dark.

The Sami core was dark before the mixing with Scandinavian Germanics.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/uploaded_images/europig-791155.jpg

[Senpai]

The unmixed Samis are dark.

The Sami core was dark before the mixing with Scandinavian Germanics.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/uploaded_images/europig-791155.jpg

But my only concern about chalking my ancestor up as Sami, is this..
What would a fully Sami man be doing in Germany or the United States in 1875?

[Aren]

K12 Puntdnal
South_Asian 1.09
Near_East 2.95
Siberian 0.71
European_HG 38.86
Caucasus_HG 18.86
Anatolian_NF 36.30
East_Asian 1.23

Nothing odd about these scores, many Western Euros score 1-2% East Asian or South Asian in calcs with low SNP:s used.

[Aren]

I think you are just suffering from good old NW Euro exotic fever. There's nothing exotic about your results, you are not part sami.

[Senpai]

Nothing odd about these scores, many Western Euros score 1-2% East Asian or South Asian in calcs with low SNP:s used.

But I also have seen Nganasan 2 percent, Finnish on almost all my raw dna ethnicity calcs, and it still doesn't explain the 5-6% MENA I've seen on myheritage.

[Aren]

But I also have seen Nganasan 2 percent, Finnish on almost all my raw dna ethnicity calcs, and it still doesn't explain the 5-6% MENA I've seen on myheritage.

Your basing this on what the trash site Myheritage showed? Come on...
Where do you get Finnish?

[Senpai]

I think you are just suffering from good old NW Euro exotic fever. There's nothing exotic about your results, you are not part sami.

Lmao, one of you idiots...

I am more proud of my heritage than you could ever be. All parts. I am genuinely one step away from completing my entire ancestry traced back at least 400 years. THIS is the last step, no fucking exotic fever, foh with that nonsense.

[Senpai]

Your basing this on what the trash site Myheritage showed? Come on...
Where do you get Finnish?

I've gotten Finnish on familytreedna and myheritage, and have plenty of distant cousins from Finland who show zero British Isles ancestry, which is the only way we'd connect.