Chechen and Circassian people have Arab origins...

[Serbian Lady]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/HG_J1_(ADN-Y).PNG

In the map you see the distribution of J1 haplogroup, which has Arab origins. In North Caucasus, the regions which are dark green are Circassia and Chechnya. Therefore, it proves that Chechen and Circassian people have Arab origins.

[Illancha]

no

[Illancha]

retarded

[Serbian Lady]

retarded

Why are you so rude?

[frdfgcg]

it's true.
Chechen and Circassian are no Europeans.
They're the invaders.
They look like Arabs.
Their home is Arabia.

[cyberlorian]

it's true.
Chechen and Circassian are no Europeans.
They're the invaders.
They look like Arabs.
Their home are Arabia.

Circassian people have almost zero Southwest Asian admixture.

[Marmara]

J1 is not an Arab haplogroup, you should check subclades, J1 has many subclades but Arabs have few of them.

[Leto]

it's true.
Chechen and Circassian are no Europeans.
They're the invaders.
They look like Arabs.
Their home is Arabia.
They are not Europeans but neither are they Arabian or Levantine. They are Caucasian and have a significant amount of Euro HG admixture. On GEDmatch they get like 15-25% NE European depending on the calculator and ethnic group. Islam fucking sucks, yes, but still has nothing to do with genes.

[Leto]

J1 is not an Arab haplogroup, you should check subclades, J1 has many subclades but Arabs have few of them.
It's from the Fertile Crescent, I guess. Just like J2. Their ancestors came over to the Caucasus from the Levant about 10,000 y.o.

[Kelmendasi]

It's from the Fertile Crescent, I guess. Just like J2. Their ancestors came over to the Caucasus from the Levant about 10,000 y.o.
Nah it's the other way round. J1 and J2 have origins in the Caucasus or Zagros mountain range. J1 was found in a Paleolithic CHG sample from Gerogia. J1 expanded from the Caucasus area into the Levant and surrounding regions.

[Marmara]

It's from the Fertile Crescent, I guess. Just like J2. Their ancestors came over to the Caucasus from the Levant about 10,000 y.o.

It's actually from Caucasus. Fertile Crescent was predominantly E1b

[Kelmendasi]

[IG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/HG_J1_(ADN-Y).PNG[/IMG]

In the map you see the distribution of J1 haplogroup, which has Arab origins. In North Caucasus, the regions which are dark green are Circassia and Chechnya. Therefore, it proves that Chechen and Circassian people have Arab origins.
No, J1 has origin in the Caucasus and the J1 clade that the Caucasians carry is a native CHG one. J1 expanded from the Caucasus and into the Levant and Mesopotamia

[Leto]

Nah it's the other way round. J1 and J2 have origins in the Caucasus or Zagros mountain range. J1 was found in a Paleolithic CHG sample from Gerogia. J1 expanded from the Caucasus area into the Levant and surrounding regions.


It's actually from Caucasus. Fertile Crescent was predominantly E1b
But some people did come there from the Middle East, right?

[Kelmendasi]

But some people did come there from the Middle East, right?
The J1 clade that the Avars, Dargins etc carry belongs to the native Caucasus one and isn't related to the clades carried in the Middle east which in fact have origin in the Caucasus

[Leto]

The J1 clade that the Avars, Dargins etc carry belongs to the native Caucasus one and isn't related to the clades carried in the Middle east which in fact have origin in the Caucasus
Okay, but in the ME the human presence is said to be older, isn't it?

[Kelmendasi]

Okay, but in the ME the human presence is said to be older, isn't it?
Yh

[Marmara]

But some people did come there from the Middle East, right?

No. J is the sister haplogroup of I. It was isolated in Caucasus. It's originally unrelated to Middle-East. Middle-East used to be way darker racially, it was whitened with the J invasion occurred for unknown reasons.

[Leto]

The CHGs are related to the FC Farmers genetically.

[Kelmendasi]

The CHGs are related to the FC Farmers genetically.
I assume it's because the CHG were part of the ethnos of the FC Farmers and contributed to their admix.

[Marmara]

The CHGs are related to the FC Farmers genetically.

But the haplogroup is unrelated. Original Natufian Farmers were Bedouin-like. Maybe mixing occured in FC.

Original J invasion must be unrelated to Fertile Crescent farmers which occured later.

[Leto]

By I. Lazaridis
https://s17.postimg.cc/nbqrtiswv/GTL18.jpg

[Marmara]

J is probably the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and hook noses, and the reason of Caucasian admixture in East Africa.

[Kelmendasi]

J is probably the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and hook noses, and the reason of Caucasian admixture in East Africa.
Nah, the J people’s were speaking a different language probably similar to those speaken in the Caucasus. Afro-Asiatic people’s were E1b1b carriers from Northern Africa who expanded into the Middle East and absorbed native elements like J1, J2, G etc

[cyberlorian]

J is probably the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and hook noses, and the reason of Caucasian admixture in East Africa.

My grandmother was Circassian descendant and she probably had Iranid structure.

[Marmara]

Nah, the J people’s were speaking a different language probably similar to those speaken in the Caucasus. Afro-Asiatic people’s were E1b1b carriers from Northern Africa who expanded into the Middle East and absorbed native elements like J1, J2, G etc

It's much more likely that J is the origin because it's more recent and clearly dominated MENA.

[Marmara]

My grandmother was Circassian descendant and she probably had Iranid structure.

By Caucasian I mean race not region (Caucasus). Who says you're Iranid? Have you been classified by others?

[Marmara]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron

A Jewish priest caste who are paternally linked to Ancient Israel and original semitics, they are entirely J.

It's is very easy and logical to claim people with J haplogroup who were from Transcaucasia invaded towards south, mixed with local E1b inhabitants who were racially darker Bedouin-like, finally imposed their language.

[Kelmendasi]

It's much more likely that J is the origin because it's more recent and clearly dominated MENA.
I highly doubt it. Afro-Asiatic languages have origin between northern and Eastern Africa places where J wasn’t even present at the time and where E1b Claude’s were most dominant. Also the J1 clades were absorbed by the Proto-Semites and wasn’t an original haplogroup among them as shown by where P58 has diversity and how most clades among them have pretty low tmrca. The Sumerians perhaps spoke a language like that of the original J people, or so I have read scholars claim

[Kelmendasi]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron

A Jewish priest caste who are paternally linked to Ancient Israel and original semitics, they are entirely J.
Yes they are J1. But their clade has a low TMRCA. As said before, J1 and J2 contributed to the formation of the Semites but weren’t original haplogroups for Afro-Asiatics who were E1b carriers with clades like E-M34 that expanded from NE Africa

[Marmara]

I highly doubt it. Afro-Asiatic languages have origin between northern and Eastern Africa places where J wasn’t even present at the time and where E1b Claude’s were most dominant. Also the J1 clades were absorbed by the Proto-Semites and wasn’t an original haplogroup among them as shown by where P58 has diversity and how most clades among them have pretty low tmrca. The Sumerians perhaps spoke a language like that of the original J people, or so I have read scholars claim

Sumerians were darker though, they were racially different and almost black.

How do we know Semitic languages are from Northeast Africa?

[Kelmendasi]

Sumerians were darker though, they were racially different and almost black.

How do we know Semitic languages are from Northeast Africa?
Why have there been samples of Sumerians? The Semitic languages evolved later on in the Levant, what I’m talking about is the Afro-Asiatic language group in general which are believed to have origin in Northern Africa or SW Asia. J in the Semites is believed to have come from the Iran region iirc based on autosomal.

[cyberlorian]

By Caucasian I mean race not region (Caucasus). Who says you're Iranid? Have you been classified by others?

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/calc/rac/ I measured myself :P

[Marmara]

Why have there been samples of Sumerians? The Semitic languages evolved later on in the Levant, what I’m talking about is the Afro-Asiatic language group in general which are believed to have origin in Northern Africa or SW Asia. J in the Semites is believed to have come from the Iran region iirc based on autosomal.

Apparently there is no consensus on homeland of Afro-Asiatic languages. It's no surprising Semitic speakers of East Africa have J Y-DNA and Caucasian admixture, which is a strong evidence for Eurasian J origin of Afro-Asiatic languages spreaded to Africa.

I could not find Sumerian samples but I remember seeing them, they were racially odd.

[Leto]

10,000–8000 BC

Migration of Nakh peoples to the slopes of the Caucasus from the Fertile Crescent. Invention of agriculture, irrigation, and the domestication of animals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

[Gangrel]

Chechens and Circassians are predominantly J2, troll. And J1 originated in the Caucasus anyway.

[Porn Master]

OP is a retarded as fuck

[Rumata]

J (1 and 2) doesn't look dominant in Circassians in these maps:

http://arshba.ru/resources/fig-5-the-gene-pool-of-abkhaz-adyghe-populations-georgian/2491

http://alligater.my1.ru/ris_2/Haplogrupo_G-ADN-Y-.png

[Kelmendasi]

Apparently there is no consensus on homeland of Afro-Asiatic languages. It's no surprising Semitic speakers of East Africa have J Y-DNA and Caucasian admixture, which is a strong evidence for Eurasian J origin of Afro-Asiatic languages spreaded to Africa.

I could not find Sumerian samples but I remember seeing them, they were racially odd.
The J1 in east Africa is from the same clade as the Arabs so it is due to Arab admix and expansion. The Natufians who are believed to have possibly spoken Proto-Afroasiatic were all E1b as well as the samples from north Africa that were Afro-Asiatic. Considering how J evolved among CHG, I think it's most logical that they spoke a Caucasian language

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[sailormoon]

The majority of Chechens belong to Haplogroup J2 (56.7%), mostly J2a4b* (J2-M67). Balanovsky et al. (2011) studied the North Caucasus paternal gene pool and found that all four major Caucasus haplogroups show signs of a Near Eastern rather than European origin. Gene flow from the Near East towards the Caucasus could have occurred during the Neolithic spread of farming as there is no archaeological evidence which indicates a Near Eastern influence on the Neolithic cultures in the North Caucasus.



Origin and structuring of the North Caucasus paternal pool

Although occupying a boundary position between Europe and the Near East, all four major Caucasus haplogroups show signs of a Near Eastern rather than European origin (Figure 2, Supplementary Figure 1). These four haplogroups reach their maximum (worldwide) frequencies in the Caucasus (Table 2, Figure 2). They are either shared with Near East populations (G2a3b1-P303 and J2a4b*-M67(xM92)) or have ancestral lineages present there (G2a1*-P16(xP18) and J1*-M267(xP58)). Typical European haplogroups are very rare (I2a-P37.2) or limited to specific populations (R1a1a-M198; R1b1b2-M269) in the Caucasus.

This pattern suggests unidirectional gene flow from the Near East towards the Caucasus, which could have occurred during the initial Paleolithic settlement or the subsequent Neolithic spread of farming. Archaeological data do not indicate a Near Eastern influence on the Neolithic cultures in the North Caucasus (Bader and Tseretely, 1989; Bzhania, 1996; Masson et al., 1994), while Neolithization in the Transcaucasus was part of a Neolithic expansion that perhaps paralleled those occurring in Europe (Balaresque et al. 2010) and North Africa (Arredi et al. 2004). However, the current genetic evidence does not allow us to distinguish between Paleolithic and Neolithic models in shaping the genetic landscape of the North Caucasus.

All of these genetic findings are based solely on Y-chromosomal data. This choice was prompted by the high inter-population variation in the data set (and therefore the best detection of the differences) compared with mtDNA and autosomal markers. However, one may wonder if the pattern of the entire gene pool is different from its Y chromosomal subset. In the context of this study, languages are typically learned from the maternal side (we say “mother tongue”; Beauchemin et al., 2010). Thus the observed similarity between the distributions of languages and genes might become even more evident if full-genome data, incorporating maternally-inherited information as well, become available; this possibility may be explored in future studies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3355373/

[black hole]

The majority of Chechens belong to Haplogroup J2 (56.7%), mostly J2a4b* (J2-M67). Balanovsky et al. (2011) studied the North Caucasus paternal gene pool and found that all four major Caucasus haplogroups show signs of a Near Eastern rather than European origin. Gene flow from the Near East towards the Caucasus could have occurred during the Neolithic spread of farming as there is no archaeological evidence which indicates a Near Eastern influence on the Neolithic cultures in the North Caucasus.





https://www.familytreedna.com/public/chechen-noahcho/default.aspx?section=yresults



J2, J1, L3, Q1a, G2, R1a, R1b,

[ovidiu]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/An_African_man_in_Karabakh_by_George_Kennan.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Afro-Abkhazians.jpg

:P

[StonyArabia]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/HG_J1_(ADN-Y).PNG

In the map you see the distribution of J1 haplogroup, which has Arab origins. In North Caucasus, the regions which are dark green are Circassia and Chechnya. Therefore, it proves that Chechen and Circassian people have Arab origins.

No that's nonsense

[Kamal900]

Stupidity at it's finest. The J1 and the J2 haplogroups did NOT originate from the Levant or Arabia for that matter. They originated from western asia, and the clades that are found among Jews and Arabs are NOT the same or as ancient as those found among Caucasians, Iranians and so on. Pahli for example belong to the J1 haplogroup that is more older than the clades that are found among Levantines and Arabians which tells us that the J1 haplogroup in it's entirety originated somewhere in the Caucasus who migrated to the Levant and mixed with the local Levantine populace which later on migrated to Arabia and becoming the first Arabs.

[Kamal900]

Yes they are J1. But their clade has a low TMRCA. As said before, J1 and J2 contributed to the formation of the Semites but weren’t original haplogroups for Afro-Asiatics who were E1b carriers with clades like E-M34 that expanded from NE Africa

Basically this. The fact that Arabians belong to only two specific clades of the J1 haplogroup in contrast to the extreme diversity in western asiatic regions like Iran and the Caucasus does indeed point the origins of the J1 haplogroup from these regions. I believe the proto-Semites emerged when these J1 migrants mixed with the local proto-Afro-Asiatic speaking populace and some of them left the levant to Arabia and becoming the first Arabs later in the late bronze age period.

[Nanushka]

Disinformation.

How long more some members here keep on posting about this? Just like R1 dont belong to IE, J1 dont belong to northern Caucasians.

Male haplogroups mean less compared to women stock. y-DNA results on its own only show the effect of movement and migration of males of a certain community, nothing more. Mutant J (mostly J-m267) that appeares among the males of Chechens, Cirkassians or Avars only show the effect of Arab men settled in the area due to expansion of Islam towards north after the first and second Arab wars (between Khazars and Umayyad Arabs between 642-652 then between 722-737), this is historical fact. They achieved little during these wars but the subsequent Abbasid Caliphate was cunning and achieved their goals with peace; they placed a large number of Arabic men to Caucasia (even to northern Caucasia) and they started to mix with the public, teaching Islam and getting married with caucasian women. This is written in academic papers as well; it took place during a limited time but as you know once mixed, DNA is there forever.

Also no need to mention the effect of persian blood on caucasians (via Azerbaijan and Armenia)

Avar women mostly have H, U5 or K as their haplogroups which are predominantly european.

[Root]

Semitic lady, you again?


https://image.ibb.co/kOK8KH/lol.png

[Crimson Winds]

Circassians = %0 Southwest Asian, %3-8 J1 :picard2:

[Noxv]

Disinformation.

How long more some members here keep on posting about this? Just like R1 dont belong to IE, J1 dont belong to northern Caucasians.

Male haplogroups mean less compared to women stock. y-DNA results on its own only show the effect of movement and migration of males of a certain community, nothing more. Mutant J (mostly J-m267) that appeares among the males of Chechens, Cirkassians or Avars only show the effect of Arab men settled in the area due to expansion of Islam towards north after the first and second Arab wars (between Khazars and Umayyad Arabs between 642-652 then between 722-737), this is historical fact. They achieved little during these wars but the subsequent Abbasid Caliphate was cunning and achieved their goals with peace; they placed a large number of Arabic men to Caucasia (even to northern Caucasia) and they started to mix with the public, teaching Islam and getting married with caucasian women. This is written in academic papers as well; it took place during a limited time but as you know once mixed, DNA is there forever.

Also no need to mention the effect of persian blood on caucasians (via Azerbaijan and Armenia)

Avar women mostly have H, U5 or K as their haplogroups which are predominantly european.

Dont the Avars have predominantly J1 haplogroup? It says that its 66% in Wikipedia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_the_Caucasus#CIT EREFYunusbayev2006

Most Dagestanis have J1, even Chechen Dagestanis (Akkhi) have predominantly J1, the people with the most J1 is Dargins.